NARA film # T9-856: 1880 US Census, Kings Co. NY Ward 24, ED 241, pgs 490a-496b. Part 4 of 14 I will list each name, age, birthplace, and birthplace of father and mother. ALL boys were listed as 'white', 'male', 'single', and 'at school', some could not read and/or write (usually children age 7 and younger. There is NO other information. ST.JOHN HOME FOR [DESTITUTE] BOYS - no street address given. Name.........age.......birthplace.....father, mother birthplace Patrick GAFFNEY....9....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot write) Andrew JAMISON....11....NY, Ire,Ire Charles JAMISON.....13....NY, Ire,Ire John CASSIN....10....NY, Ire,Ire William CASSIN....9....NY, Ire,Ire Willaim McMAHON....10....NY, Ire,Ire John STAPLETON....10....NY, Ire,Ire Michael JOYCE....12.....NY, Ire,Ire John JOYCE.....9.....NY, Ire,Ire Edward SMITH....10.....NY, Ire.Ire George DUNNE....10....NY, Ire, Ire Joseph WALSH....6.....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) William MYERS....9....NY, Ire,Ire Michael MYERS....7....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) John JAMISON....14....NY, Ire,Ire James MULHOLLAND....14....NY, Ire,Ire Joseph WHALEN....7....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot write) Joseph McGRATH....9....NY, Ire,Ire William McGRATH....11.....NY, Ire,Ire Henry DAILY.....6....NY, Ire,Ire Carroll DAILY....7....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot write) John TREMARY??....7....NY,Ire,Ire (cannot write) William CAREY.....7....NY, Ire, Ire (cannot write) Martin JOYCE.....9....NY, Ire,Ire Dennis TREMARY???....6.....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Thomas STEWART....10....NY, Ire,Ire Charles SPENCER.....7....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot write) John SPENCER.....9....NY, Ire,Ire John GLYNN.....13....NY, Ire,Ire William GLYNN....11....NY, Ire,Ire Frederick GILBERT....7....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Bernard LEE.....11....NY, Ire,Ire Thomas LEWIS...9....NY, Ire,Ire George LEWIS....7....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Philip KEENAN....8....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot write) Richard KAVANAUGH...8....NY, Ire,Ire James WITE....9.....NY, Ire,Ire James McGIVERN....9....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot write) Eugene GAINIER...9....NY, Ire,Ire James WELCH....13....NY, Ire,Ire Michael WELCH...14....NY, Ire,Ire William WELCH....11....NY, Ire,Ire Francis COYLE.....11....NY, Ire,Ire George KEATING....10....NY,Ire,Ire Francis MAHER....10....NY, Ire,Ire Dennis WHALEN....9....NY, Ire,Ire Joseph DELANEY....11....NY, Ire,Ire Thomas KEENAN....13....NY, Ire,Ire Edward GANNON....12...NY, Ire,Ire end of part 4 .....to be continued..... transcribed by Marilynn Wright

NARA film # T9-856: 1880 US Census, Kings Co. NY Ward 24, ED 241, pgs 490a-496b. Part 3 of 14 I will list each name, age, birthplace, and birthplace of father and mother. ALL boys were listed as 'white', 'male', 'single', and 'at school', some could not read and/or write (usually children age 7 and younger. There is NO other information. St. John Home for [Destitute] Boys - no street address given. Name.........age.......birthplace.....father, mother birthplace Augustine JAMISON...11....NY,Ire,Ire Frank RYAN....9....NY, Ire,Ire Frank CUSICK...7....NY,Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Charles CAMBRIDGE...10....NY, Ire,Ire Patrick CROWE...10....NY, Ire,Ire Joseph BOYLAN....10....NY, Ire,Ire Hugh MAGUIRE....7....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Thomas DIDD....6....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) John DILSTE?....9....NY, Ire,Ire John KAVANAUGH....13....NY, Ire,Ire James KAVANAUGH....8....NY, Ire.Ire (cannot write) John HORAN....10.....NY, Ire,Ire George HORAN....8....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot write) Hugh KENNY....13....NY, Ire,Ire George LUTHMAN....10.....NY, Ire,Ire Frank J.O'CONNOR...10....NY, Ire,Ire Frank McGIVERN....10....NY, Ire,Ire Frederick SLOTT.....13....NY, Ire,Ire Terence DEVLIN....10.....NY, Ire,Ire John WILLIAMSON...10....NY, Ire,Ire John KELLEY.....9.....NY, Ire,Ire James CAMPBELL....10....NY, Ire,Ire William CAMPBELL...7.....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) James MEANEY.....9....NY, Ire,Ire Anthony GERWIN....10....NY, Ire,Ire John GERWIN.....7.....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Peter GHEAGAN?....10....NY, Ire,Ire Richard BURK....9....NY, Ire,Ire Henry HEARNAN....6....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) John HYLAND....5....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Thomas HOLLARAN....10....NY, Ire,Ire Thomas MURRAY....10....NY, Ire,Ire John O'LEARY....6....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Joseph HOLLARAN...11....NY, Ire,Ire John FLAHERTY....13....NY, Ire,Ire William BURNS....13.....NY, Ire,Ire James MORAN.....10....NY, Ire,Ire Dennis MORAN....11.....NY, Ire,Ire George FNA???....7....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Edward FNA???....5...NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) John McGUIRE (McGUNE?)...10...NY, Ire,Ire Joseph McGUIRE (McGUNE?)...13...NY, Ire,Ire John LENAHAN....10....NY, Ire,Ire John NOLAN....12....NY, Ire,Ire James NOLAN....11....NY, Ire,Ire William NOLAN....9....NY, Ire,Ire William BRADLEY....10....NY, Ire,Ire Patrick LENAHAN....13....NY, Ire,Ire James PARNELL....12.....NY, Ire,Ire Frank FOLEY....10....NY, Ire.Ire end of part 3 ....to be continued..... transcribed by Marilynn Wright

Greetings All Sworn answers to written interrogatories of our plaintiffs in the Application for Judicial Review were served and filed on time and Lois Sparling has received the Justice Department's reply to undertakings given by StatCan and NA defendants. She reports that it was very boring reading. As reported previously, lawyers for Justice Canada refused to allow representatives of Chief Statistician Ivan Fellegi (Mary Ledoux) and National Archivist Ian Wilson (Greg Eamon) to answer many of the questions posed by Lois during her cross-examination of them. On Thursday 20 June 2002 Lois appeared in Federal Court to argue a motion that these representatives be compelled to answer her questions. The judge was interested in what the case was all about and remembered reading something about the census in the newspaper recently. He remarked that it appeared to him that since the issue in this case was strictly a question of legal interpretation, no cross-examination was really necessary (he's probably right there). He reserved his decision, which means he'll think about it and let us know. It is interesting that the judge felt the issue was strictly a question of legal interpretation when my cross-examination by the Justice Canada lawyers did not touch on that at all. The lawyer from the Justice Department told the judge and Lois (in lawyer talk, not plain English) that the Attorney General was working on negotiating a compromise/solution between Mr. Wilson and Dr. Fellegi. She told Lois the Attorney General was the neutral "honest broker", or words to that effect. We have mixed feelings on being told that the Attorney General is a neutral "honest broker" in this. The new Attorney General, the Hon. Martin Cauchon, is the MP from Outremont, Quebec, and is one of those who has never responded to our questions of support. In all probability he is not "up" on what has been happening regarding this issue for the past several years. As such he will likely be guided by his advisors, and in particular by Dr. Fellegi who, by no stretch of the imagination could be consider to be neutral in this issue. We will advise, as we have done before, that if the compromise/solution being considered bears any resemblance to the so-called "compromise solution" already proposed by Dr. Fellegi, it will be unacceptable to the genealogists, historians and people of Canada. There is already a compromise, or balance, mandated by law in the form of the Access to Information and Privacy Acts, and Regulations to the Privacy Act. Legislators deliberating these statutes provided that in return for providing information to census, that information would not be publicly accessible for a period of 92 years. There are currently 235 years of Census records for what is now Canada, up to and including those for 1901, available without restriction 92 years after collection. The only solution acceptable will be to allow, as provided by the ATI and Privacy Acts, unrestricted access to Post 1901 Census records 92 years following collection, on exactly the same basis as those records up to and including 1901 are currently available. We must continue our efforts to advise our elected and appointed representative that is is what the people want. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Looking for the parents of Peter Lynch. Thomas Lynch and wife Mary ? may have come to the United States between 1830-1845. I know, I know.... quite a big gap, but since their son Peter Lynch did not live until the 1900 Census, having died Dec. 29, 1873 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga Co., OH, I'm not sure of his immigration date. I believe that Peter was born about 1829. Prior to 1858, Peter Lynch married Bridget McKenna. They lived in Haverstraw, Rockland Co., NY at the birth of their son, James Peter Lynch. Do not know if Thomas and wife Mary lived in Haverstraw also. Does anyone have access to the 1860 census for Rockland County? If so, could you please search the 1860 Rockland County, Haverstraw area, for a Thomas and Mary Lynch. I know that Peter Lynch and wife, Bridget McKenna, are in Haverstraw at this time because of a previous census search. At the time I did the search for Peter and Bridget, I did not know his parents names. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Denise Wells IRL-CAVAN RW mail listowner Editor, The Irish Everywhere Newsletter - subscribe by sending email to CountyCavan@aol.com Cos. Cavan & Longford IrelandGenWeb Project coordinator http://www.irelandgenweb.com

Does anyone know the address of St. Thomas the Apostle School and if it still exists?? There is a name on the graduation in the year one of my Uncles would have graduated listed in the Brooklyn Standard Union mentioned in the digest. I would be very interested in following up this possible lead if any knows that address. Thanks. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D Digest V02 #199

NARA film # T9-856: 1880 US Census, Kings Co. NY Ward 24, ED 241, pgs 490a-496b. Part 2 of 14 I will list each name, age, birthplace, and birthplace of father and mother. ALL boys were listed as 'white', 'male', 'single', and 'at school', some could not read and/or write (usually children age 7 and younger. There is NO other information. St. John Home for [Destitute] Boys - no street address given. This page has staff listed which will include occupation. All staff are single except for Kate DOWLING-widow. Name.........age.......birthplace.....father, mother birthplace Patrick LEAHY.....12......NY,Ire,Ire Martin GANNAN.....10.....NY,Ire,Ire James McALEER.....11......NY, Ire,Ire Richard BOYLE......10......NY, Ire,Ire George HARMAN.....9.....NY, Ire,Ire John SIMMONS......7.....NY, Ire,Ire John MURRAY.....10.....NY, Ire,Ire Joseph McCARTY....8.....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot write) John O'BRIEN......7.....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Elizabeth HANSON...f..50..Directress..MA,MA,MA Mary ENWRIGHT....f..42..teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Catherine CONNOR..f..37...teacher...Ire,Ire,Ire M.J.McGLINCEY...f..33....teacher..NY,Ire,Ire Julia MOORE....f...33....teacher...NY,Ire,Ire Catherine QUINN...f..24...teacher...Ire,Ire,Ire Alice CALLAHAN...f...33...teacher....St.Johns, Ire,Ire Martha HAILIN...f...24...teacher....NY,Ire,CT Mary HAILIN....f...28...teacher...NY,Ire,CT Philamena INESNEL?...f...28...teacher...Can,Can,Fra Julia FIVA?....f...24...teacher....NY,Ire,Ire Bridget RYAN....f...24...teacher..NY,Ire,Ire Sarah GARVEY....f...24....teacher...NY,Ire,Ire Kate ROACH....f....23....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Eliza LYNCH....f....42....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Kate BRADY....f....36....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Rose FLOOD....f....40....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Mary RHINE....f....30....teacher....Baden,Baden,Baden Rose SMITH....f....40....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire May BROWN...f....36....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Ellen McDERMOTT...f...29...teacher...Ire,Ire,Ire Alice HERRICK....f....32....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Elizabeth CLIFFORD....f...31....teacher...Ire,Ire,Ire Mary FLATLEY?...f....25....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Mary KELLEHER....f....25....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Mary DURAN.....f....45....teacher...Ire,Ire,Ire Bridget DAILY.....f....47...teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Eliza KANE.....f....43....teacher....Ire,Ire,Ire Ellen -NGERTY??...f...20....teacher...Ire,Ire,Ire [just can't read letter] Agnes ALLEN....f....17...servant..laundress...NY,Fra,Ire Mary LEANEY...f...20......nurse.....Ire,Ire,Ire Bridget BYRNE...f...20....laundress....Ire.Ire,Ire Kate DOWLING...f...34..wd...housework...Ire,Ire,Ire Mary BUCKLEY....f...22....housework...NY,Ire,Ire Annie POWERS....f....25....housework...Ire,Ire,Ire Bridget HOULIHAN...f...20...housework...Ire,Ire,Ire Mary McALLONE?...f...18....housework...Ire,Ire,Ire (can't read/write) Margaret McBRIDE...f..50...housework...Ire,Ire,Ire (can't read/write) Margaret LEANEY?...f...21....housework...Ire,Ire,Ire (can't read/write) Ann CANTELLO?...f...51....housework....Ire,Ire,Ire William KNIGHT...m...19....----man?...NY,Eng,Ire end of part 2.... .....to be continued.... transcribed by Marilynn Wright

NARA film # T9-856: 1880 US Census, Kings Co. NY Ward 24, ED 241, pgs 490a-496b. Part 1 of 14 I will list each name, age, birthplace, and birthplace of father and mother. ALL boys were listed as 'white', 'male', 'single', and 'at school', some could not read and/or write (usually children age 7 and younger. There is NO other information. St. John Home for [Destitute] Boys - no street address given. Name............age..............birthplace.....father, mother birthplace Michael NICHOLSON.......10....NY, Ire,Ire James NICHOLSON.........12....NY, Ire,Ire Willaim BURNS.............8....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot write) John PENDERGAST......11.....NY, Ire,Ire Joseph TUTTLE........12.....NY, Ire,Ire John FEEHAN.........12.......NY, Ire,Ire William KENNEY......10......NY, Ire,Ire Frederick HAINES.....7.......NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Patrick FEEHAN......10......NY, Ire,Ire Robert STEPHEN......7.......NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Robert ALLEN.......7......NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Joseph COWEN......6......NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Charles LUTZ.......10.....NY, Ire,Ire John McDONOUGH.....10.....NY, Ire,Ire John WOODS.......10.....NY, Ire,Ire Willaim REDUFORD.....10.....NY, Ire,Ire William NAGLE......10.....NY, Ire,Ire George FLOOD......10......NY, Ire,Ire James PHILIPS......10......NY, Ire,Ire Chancey ST CLAIR....11.....NY, Ire,Ire [could be Clancey] Joseph HARTE.......11.......NY, Ire,Ire Martin HARTE........10......NY, Ire,Ire August PLATO......9.......NY, Ire,Ire Edward KELLAHAIR....10....NY, Ire,Ire Harvy WALL......10.......NY, Ire,Ire William HORN......12.......NY, Ire,Ire Cornielus QUIGLEY.......12.....NY, Ire,Ire Peter RIELLY.......10......NY, Ire,Ire Joseph McNULTY.......11......NY, Ire,Ire Thomas RIELLY........11......NY, Ire,Ire Daniel GAMMELL......11.....NY, Ire,Ire Harry GRANT.......9......NY, Ire,Ire John GAMMELL.....6......NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) William COSTELLO.....9....NY, Ire,Ire John MORAN......10.....NY, Ire,Ire Richard HANNA......10.....NY, Ire,Ire Michael MORGAN......11......NY, Ire,Ire Thomas MORGAN......12......NY, Ire,Ire John MORGAN........12.......NY, Ire,Ire Thomas DEGNAM......10......NY, Ire,Ire Henry BEDELL......10......NY, Ire,Ire James HENRY.......8.....NY, Ire,Ire (cannot read/write) Robert BEDELL.....10.....NY, Ire,Ire William BRACKEN......12.....NY, Ire,Ire George BARDS......10......NY, Ire,Ire Joseph McFEELEY.....10.....NY,Ire,Ire Patrick BRADY.......10......NY, Ire,Ire John BRADY.......12.......NY, Ire,Ire Alex BRADY.......10.......NY, Ire,Ire Thomas LEAHY......9......NY, Ire,Ire Thomas JOSEPHS?.....21.....painter......NY, Ire,Ire W----- HICKEY?.......27?....clergyman.....Ire,Ire,Ire end of part 1....... ....to be continued...... transcribed by Marilynn Wright

St. Thomas the Apostle Parochial School Woodhaven Rev. Andrew KLARMANN, pastor A three-act play, written by the pastor, entitled "The Lost Ring," was played by the graduates, assisted by the alumnae and members of the choir and societies of the church. It was excellently enacted, the staging and electrical effects being exceptionally good. The music was by C.O. KORZ, and it was staged under the direction of Ray W. MCARDLE. The cast of characters included Margaret REILLY, James FAULKNER, Evelyn LYONS, Raymond MCARDLE, Marie MECKEL, John POWER, Helen MCCARTHY, Thomas LEAHY, Rosalie MCGILLIVRAY, Bessie HENRY, Anna DEIBNER, Thomas A. DALY, Edward COLEMAN, Margaret CONNAUGHTON, Mary LOUGHLIN and Edward COLEMAN. The January graduates who received their diplomas were: Philp MECKEL George SCHNELL Thomas SWARBRICK William COSGROVE Joseph ARTHEN Jerome WENK George WEEKS Fintan MURPHY Anna DEIBNER Mary CRONIN Marion CODY Theresa PECKHAM Florence MERTZ Mary CANNAN Evelyn LYONS Helen COLEMAN The graduates of the June class are: John POWER John CARMICHAEL Thomas BYRNE Thomas LEAHY George DROESCH Edward COLEMAN Jack MEANEY James MUELLER Joseph KING Anthony STACHURSKI John KENNEDY Theresa HOFFMANN Rosalie MCGILLIVRAY Dorothy MECKEL Margaret REGAN Marie MECHEL Margaret WUNDER Madeline FOX Florence O'CONNELL The exercises will be continued tomorrow evening, when another performance will be given. transcribed by Pam Cook

Our Lady of Good Counsel School The boys of Our Lady of Good Counsel School held their annual entertainment last night at the parish hall, 300 (800?) Madison Street. Tonight the performance will be repeated and the graduating exercises held and diplomas awarded to the graduates. The programme last night inclued specialties by the classes of the school, Raymond J. EDWARDS, playing the part of Eamonn De Valera, "President of the Irish Republic," was generously applauded. Other numbers included the "Camp of the Gypsies" and "Happy Days in Dixie." The last number was staged as a minstrel show and proved the hit of the evening. In the circle were William J.B. WALSH, Henry DELAY, Richard V. CLEARY, James FARRELL, Henry MILLER, Eugene DUNNE, Francis JOHNSTON, Lawrence O'BRIEN, Joseph HAYES. The closing number of last night's programme and which will be omitted tonight to allow for the graduation exercises was scenes in the life of Joan of Arc. Those who took part in this tableau were John P. HOGAN, Francis S. FITZGIBBON and Elroy J. SMITH. Tonight the graduates will be addressed by the pastor, the Rev. Peter J. DONOHUE. George C. CORMEY is the valedictorian of the class. The Rev. P.J. TUIGG and the Rev. Bro. ANTHELEM, of the Franciscan Order, will present diplomas to the following graduates: Charles Stephen AHEARN Norbert Joseph BARRETT Arthur Joseph BELTER WSilliam Alfred BOURGUIGNON Salvatore Joseph BRESCIA Hugh Francis BROWNE John James BROWNE Francis Joseph BURKE Frederick Anthony CARDINAL William Vincent COLLINS Ralph Vincent CONWAY John Joseph CONNOLLY Walter Joseph COOPER Aloysius Joseph CREAMER Joseph Francis CUNNINGHAM Thomas Edward DELANEY Dominick Anthony DE MALO John Michael DOLAN Paul Edward DONNELLY Francis Eugene DOUGHERTY William Joseph DOYLE Anthony Francis DU BRUL Andrew Joseph DUNLEAVY Dennis Anthony DUNNE Edward James FALES William Aloysius FLYNN Henry Edmund FOGARTY John Joseph GALLAGHER William Joseph GILLESPIE George Patrick GILLESPIE William Anthony GLOVER Alphonsus Ligouri HICKEY William Russel HINCH Valentine Anthony JANESKY Jospeh Michael KANE James Francis KELLY Francis Joseph KIEALY Thomas Francis KIELY Joseph Patrick KEENAN Vincent Thomas LANE Joseph Edmund LAPOINTE Charles Angelo LONGO John Francis MCDONNELL George Joseph MCDONNELL Thomas Joseph MCFEELEY George John MCGRATH Thomas George MCLEAN Joseph Francis MCKERVEY Francis James MCNAMARA Thomas Francis MAHONEY Thomas Francis MANGOLD James Thomas MAYE Robert Eugene NAGLE Harold James NEVINS Charles Timothy NEAMAN George Joseph O'CONNELL Charles Francis O'ROURKE Charles John OHLE James Simpson POWERS John Joseph RIORDAN John Francis RYAN Aloysius Joseph SCHEIDEL John Leo SLAVIN Edward Joseph TOMPKINS George Gerard TORMEY Patrick Francis TUTTLE Anthony Joseph WALSH Thoms Edward WHIPPLE James Louis ZIMMER Victor Leo ZIMMERMANN transcribed by Pam Cook

My apologies for reposting this message. I made an error in providing the link to my last column. I have corrected that. here. GAW Greetings All. As I write this it is the first day of summer - the longest day of the year. It is all downhill from this point on. It is also the day the Parliament of Canada is scheduled to adjourn for the summer recess. According to the Parliamentary Calendar our representatives will not return until Monday 16 September 2002. It had been hoped that by this time we would have had a resolution to our efforts to regain public access to Post 1901 Census records. It appears that this was not destined to happen and our efforts must continue. At this time, those efforts should include the following: -- Circulate and sign petitions (downloadable from the Post 1901 Census Project website). Summer barbeques and family gatherings are good places to do this. -- Write letters to our own MPs and Senators. Check the Scoreboards for their current position before writing. -- Make an appointment to visit your MP in their constituency office and seek their support in person. -- Send Access to Information Requests to Statistics Canada for general access to the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces (Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta) -- On receiving a refusal for that access request, submit a complaint to the Information Commissioner. -- Send a letter to the Privacy Commissioner protesting his opposition to Bill S-12 and public access to these vital records. Do not accept his assertions that the 'compromise solution' promoted by Statistics Canada is a satisfactory resolution to the problem. In a previous posting, and in my last column I provided addresses to send ATI requests, complaints to the Information Commissioner, and letters to the Privacy Commissioner. Rather than repeat those here, that column may be accessed at http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce83.htm Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. As I write this it is the first day of summer - the longest day of the year. It is all downhill from this point on. It is also the day the Parliament of Canada is scheduled to adjourn for the summer recess. According to the Parliamentary Calendar our representatives will not return until Monday 16 September 2002. It had been hoped that by this time we would have had a resolution to our efforts to regain public access to Post 1901 Census records. It appears that this was not destined to happen and our efforts must continue. At this time, those efforts should include the following: -- Circulate and sign petitions (downloadable from the Post 1901 Census Project website). Summer barbeques and family gatherings are good places to do this. -- Write letters to our own MPs and Senators. Check the Scoreboards for their current position before writing. -- Make an appointment to visit your MP in their constituency office and seek their support in person. -- Send Access to Information Requests to Statistics Canada for general access to the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces (Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta) -- On receiving a refusal for that access request, submit a complaint to the Information Commissioner. -- Send a letter to the Privacy Commissioner protesting his opposition to Bill S-12 and public access to these vital records. Do not accept his assertions that the 'compromise solution' promoted by Statistics Canada is a satisfactory resolution to the problem. In a previous posting, and in my last column I provided addresses to send ATI requests, complaints to the Information Commissioner, and letters to the Privacy Commissioner. Rather than repeat those here, that column may be accessed by clicking <a href=http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce83.htm> here </a>. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Linda Gill Grove Surname Researching: IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor "Their Story Is Our Story"

Thank you for your help. Don --- M J Mann <mjmann@monmouth.com> wrote: > Don, > I went on Ancestry.com (I'm a subscriber) and found > the following: > New York City Directory, 1890 > > McGovern John, carpenter, h 131 Mulberry > McGovern John, driver, h 240 E. 47th > McGovern John, dyer, h 231 Monroe > McGovern John, engineer, h 532 Grand > McGovern John, fitter, h 401 E. 13th > McGovern John, grocer, 103 E. 109th > McGovern John, laborer, h 825 Seventh av > McGovern John, mason, h 423 E. 73d > McGovern John, provns. 286 Washn. mkt, h S. Orange, > N. J. > McGovern John, smith, h 407 E. 29th > McGovern John, tailor, h 444 W. 31st > McGovern John C. machinist, h 230 E. 70th > McGovern John E. lithographer, h 105 Madison > McGovern John F. clerk, h 880 Lex. av. > McGovern John J. liquors, 302 E. 22d > > Hope this helps in your search, > Maureen > > At 02:34 PM 6/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Anyone having a city directory for Manhattan for > >either 1885 or 1890 could you please look for a > John > >McGovern. In 1880 he was living on W. 67th Street. > > > >I appreciate any help. > > > >Don McGovern > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, > you will be unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please > contact the list admin privately. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

Thanks Pat, Maybe he came after 1880. I have no real idea when. His sister (my g grandmother) came over in 1870s. I know he visited my dad's folks in Binghamton once, and my dad remembered him. Since my dad was born in 1909, guess this George Keyes had been around for a while. I'll put out an inquiry for 1900, 1910 and 1920 census. - Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wood" <twigs3@juno.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Brooklyn Protestant Irish Church? > Ray, > You may want to add Methodist to that list. But, he may not have been in > Brooklyn very long - or he arrived after 1880. The reason I say that is > that I did a look-see in the 1880 US census CD, and the only persons with > that name were b. in NY or Germany. > > You might want to look for him in the 1900 census - if he was still > living then. The goal would be to pin down the neighborhood. Another > idea would be to look for him in one of the city directories. > > Good luck! > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:11:58 -0400 "Ray Horton" <sunray@erie.net> writes: > > Guess I need more information. I only know that George Keys/Keyes > > immigrated to Brooklyn, probably in 1870 or 80s. Ran a store in > > Brooklyn > > later. What denomination church would a protestant from North > > Ireland > > typically attend after immigrating here? Presbyterian? Episcopal? > > - Ray > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat Wood" <twigs3@juno.com> > > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Brooklyn Protestant Irish Church? > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > > > It would help to know where they lived in Brooklyn - the > > neighborhood. > > > They probably did not travel very far from their home. Probably > > walked to > > > church then. > > > > > > One of Brooklyn's nicknames is City of Churches.... needle in a > > haystack. > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:24:10 -0400 "Ray Horton" <sunray@erie.net> > > writes: > > > > I have ancestors by the name of KEYS/KEYES who came over from > > N. > > > > Ireland > > > > (Fermanagh) in the 1870s and settled in Brooklyn. Can anyone > > > > suggest what > > > > protestant church they might have attended? > > > > > > > > Ray Horton > > > > sunray@erie.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the > > > > quotes) to either: > > > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) > > > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Version) > > > > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > > > > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > genealogy > > > > records, go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the > > quotes) to > > either: > > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) > > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Version) > > > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > > > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Adopt a US County list > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ > > Adopt a Surname list > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Adopt a US County list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ > Adopt a Surname list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Ray, You may want to add Methodist to that list. But, he may not have been in Brooklyn very long - or he arrived after 1880. The reason I say that is that I did a look-see in the 1880 US census CD, and the only persons with that name were b. in NY or Germany. You might want to look for him in the 1900 census - if he was still living then. The goal would be to pin down the neighborhood. Another idea would be to look for him in one of the city directories. Good luck! On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:11:58 -0400 "Ray Horton" <sunray@erie.net> writes: > Guess I need more information. I only know that George Keys/Keyes > immigrated to Brooklyn, probably in 1870 or 80s. Ran a store in > Brooklyn > later. What denomination church would a protestant from North > Ireland > typically attend after immigrating here? Presbyterian? Episcopal? > - Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Wood" <twigs3@juno.com> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:31 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Brooklyn Protestant Irish Church? > > > > Ray, > > > > It would help to know where they lived in Brooklyn - the > neighborhood. > > They probably did not travel very far from their home. Probably > walked to > > church then. > > > > One of Brooklyn's nicknames is City of Churches.... needle in a > haystack. > > > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:24:10 -0400 "Ray Horton" <sunray@erie.net> > writes: > > > I have ancestors by the name of KEYS/KEYES who came over from > N. > > > Ireland > > > (Fermanagh) in the 1870s and settled in Brooklyn. Can anyone > > > suggest what > > > protestant church they might have attended? > > > > > > Ray Horton > > > sunray@erie.net > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the > > > quotes) to either: > > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) > > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Version) > > > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > > > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the > quotes) to > either: > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Version) > > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Adopt a US County list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ > Adopt a Surname list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Guess I need more information. I only know that George Keys/Keyes immigrated to Brooklyn, probably in 1870 or 80s. Ran a store in Brooklyn later. What denomination church would a protestant from North Ireland typically attend after immigrating here? Presbyterian? Episcopal? - Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wood" <twigs3@juno.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Brooklyn Protestant Irish Church? > Ray, > > It would help to know where they lived in Brooklyn - the neighborhood. > They probably did not travel very far from their home. Probably walked to > church then. > > One of Brooklyn's nicknames is City of Churches.... needle in a haystack. > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:24:10 -0400 "Ray Horton" <sunray@erie.net> writes: > > I have ancestors by the name of KEYS/KEYES who came over from N. > > Ireland > > (Fermanagh) in the 1870s and settled in Brooklyn. Can anyone > > suggest what > > protestant church they might have attended? > > > > Ray Horton > > sunray@erie.net > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the > > quotes) to either: > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) > > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Version) > > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Version) > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Allie, Do you, by any chance, have any relatives in your family named Peter KING Kenney or Walter Parnell Kenney ?? -----Original Message----- From: Allie [mailto:allie55@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:21 PM To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Looking for Grandfathers Family Hello - I'm trying to find information on my grandfather and his family. His name was Harry Connor (or Connors). Born 07/19/03 in Manhattan. 07/19/06 grandfather was placed with the Dominican Convent in Sparkill, NY. Mothers name is Nellie King (Fathers name is James he was deceased according to Nellie). Nellie lived at this address 324 W. 25th St., NYC. The name at that address was Gaffney not King according to some information we have obtained from Sparkill. Is anyone familiar with the Gaffneys at the above address? Years 1903-1912. First time posting to the list. I hope I'm doing this right. Thank you..Allie ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? If so, just subscribe to: http://www.petuniapress.com/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello - I'm trying to find information on my grandfather and his family. His name was Harry Connor (or Connors). Born 07/19/03 in Manhattan. 07/19/06 grandfather was placed with the Dominican Convent in Sparkill, NY. Mothers name is Nellie King (Fathers name is James he was deceased according to Nellie). Nellie lived at this address 324 W. 25th St., NYC. The name at that address was Gaffney not King according to some information we have obtained from Sparkill. Is anyone familiar with the Gaffneys at the above address? Years 1903-1912. First time posting to the list. I hope I'm doing this right. Thank you..Allie

Greetings All. Since my original post this morning (Are records now available???) regarding the CBC News article about the online census database a number of listers have written protesting a project that does not give us what we seek, i.e. access to individually identifiable records of Census. Perhaps those with complaints did not see my subsequent post with the clarification I received from Professor Gaffield. Perhaps they did. In any case, further clarification may be needed. The article itself is, in my opinion, somewhat misleading and has led to some misunderstanding. The opening sentence indicates, without actually so stating, that the Census records themselves will be placed on line for all to see. That indication was reinforced by the caption under the picture referring to records from 1911 to 1951 being added to existing databases. Under current circumstances, this is not going to happen. I support this project. It is not something new, but a continuation of research that has been done by historians using records of Census up to 1901. As I understand it, the researchers will not see the original schedules with names on them, or if they do, they are not permitted to divulge the identities of anyone found on them. They do not have access to all records, but to a 5% sampling of them. It is difficult to visualize how nameless records would be of much value to genealogists, however the aggregate information is of great value to historians, sociologists and others. During our campaign to regain public access to Historic Census records we have had a great deal of support from historians. In fact, there is evidence of historians fighting to regain access before many genealogists, including myself, became aware of the problem. As historians have supported us in our quest, I feel we should support them in this project, or at least not protest against it. Some have complained about the $14 million cost of this project. For those of us on fixed incomes in particular, $14 million is a lot of money. But look at it another way. $14 million over four years, divided by more than 32 million people in Canada is about ten cents per person per year, or about one-quarter the average cost of a single cup of coffee. We will keep fighting until we get the access to name-identified records we seek. Hopefully that will happen sooner, rather than later. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.