TO ALL My greatgranduncle was a Metropolitan Police of officer of Manhattan NY, who died in 1886 at age 30. My father was a Jersey City Police Officer 1940-1970. I was also a Jersey City Police officer 1965-1990. It seem the our ancestors effect us more than we may know. BoB McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Foertsch" <acme65@attbi.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: [IRISH-NYC] Most Interesting Occupation? > My favorite one is works in a hoop skirt factory. Talk about fashion > deciding your career. > Joy Foertsch > researching: Ward, Foertsch, Rigney, Thompson, Dean, Willison and Dowers > > -----Original Message----- > From: tvhowe@lineone.net [mailto:tvhowe@lineone.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:24 AM > To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [IRISH-NYC] Most Interesting Occupation? > > > On my wife's side: > Bonnet Maker; Fancy Goods Maker; Brickburner; Lace Designer; Potter; > Lawyer's > writer; Master Mariner. There are plenty of the more mundane like farmer, > collier; flax worker etc. In all they seem to have come from or gone into > a very varied set of occupations. > > Terry > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: GaelEire@aol.com > >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:39:04 EDT > >Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Most Interesting Occupation? > >To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > >Reply-To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >It's Labor Day weekend here in the States. I've been wondering: what is > >the > >most unusual and/or interesting occupation that you've discovered in your > > > >research? Or have you discovered an occupation or trade that runs in your > > > >family and maybe you never knew it? > > > >It was very surprising to learn that all the men in one line of mine, > worked > > > >in various shipyards over several generations. For example, my father > was > > > >amazed to learn that his first job as a ship-fitter was the same occupation > > > >once held by his father and grandfather (neither of whom he never knew). > > > >Anyone else find anything interesting? > > > >Have a wonderful and safe weekend! > >Take care, > >Tracy > > > > > > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > >Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002 > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? If so, > just subscribe to: > http://www.petuniapress.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Greetings Freda and All. FYI If anyone is steppping beyond the boundaries of their domain, it is Statistics Canada! The letter from the Information Commissioner states: "the schedules of the 1906 Special Western Census are in fact, held within the custody and control of S.C. We have also determined that the National Archivist has no statutory means to compel the Chief Statistician to provide the records to the NA." I have a problem with these statements. While the records of the 1906 Census may currently be "held within the custody and control" of Statistics Canada, we do not believe that they have LEGAL "custody and control". A major part of our legal action will prove, through the various legislative statutes, that Statistics Canada does NOT have LEGAL control of these vital records. Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census, which Statistics Canada frequently advises were given "the Force of Law" by the 1906 Census and Statistics Act, clearly states that the records of that Census would be "stored in the Archives of the Dominion" (now the National Archives). Further, the National Archives of Canada Act contains clauses stating: (emphasis mine) "4. (1) The objects and functions of the NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF CANADA are to conserve private and PUBLIC RECORDS OF NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE and FACILITATE ACCESS THERETO, TO BE THE PERMANENT REPOSITORY OF RECORDS OF GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS and of ministerial records, to facilitate the management of records of government institutions and of ministerial records, and to encourage archival activities and the archival community." "6. (1) The RECORDS OF GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS and ministerial records THAT, IN THE OPININON OF THE ARCHIVIST, ARE OF HISTORIC OR ARCHIVAL IMPORTANCE SHALL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE CARE AND CONTROL OF THE ARCHIVIST in accordance with such schedules or other agreements for the transfer of records as may be agreed on between the Archivist and the government institution or person responsible for the records." The emphasized portions of the above clauses clearly state that the National Archives will be the permanent repository of records of government institutions, i.e Statistics Canada. They also clearly state that the National Archivist will determine what government records are of historic or archival importance and that SHALL be transferred to the care and control of the Archivist. It does not state that the records MIGHT or MAY be transferred, but says they SHALL be transferred I am not a lawyer but in legal terminology I believe that SHALL, MIGHT or MAY have significant differences in their intent and meaning. In regards the "schedules or other agreements" between the Archivist and "government institution or person responsible for the records" it is believed that this would refer to WHEN the records were transferred, not IF they were transferred. No statute exists anywhere that states the "care and control" of the nominal records of Census for 1906 is within the purview of Statistics Canada. Nor, for that matter, is there any statute that gives Statistics Canada that "care and control" for the Census' of 1911 or 1916. We believe that "care and control" of those records is legally that of the National Archivist. Has Statistics Canada stepped beyond it's boundaries? I leave it to you to decide for yourself. In my opinion the answer is a definite YES! Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda" To: <CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: [CCC] ATI requests Hello All - Received a reply this past week from John Reid re my complaint at being refused 1906 Census info from NAC. It is fairly lengthy but suspect others will get the same piece of info, probably photocopies to all. In this letter he says in part "During the course of this investigation and another related investigation, we learned that the schedules of the 1906 Special Western Census are in fact, held within the custody and control of S.C. We have also determined that the National Archivist has no statutory means to compel the Chief Statistician to provide the records to the NA. Therefore, I am satisfied that NA's response was correct. This said, NA ought not to have told you your request was abandoned as clearly you took no action to do so, not did any of the customary circumstances warranting abandonment of a request apply. As well, you ought to have been told of your right to complain to this office." Further on the last paragraph states "Having now received the report of my investigation, you have te right to appy to the Federal Court of Canada for a review of NA's decision to deny you access to requested records. Such an application should name the Minister of Communications as respondent and it must be filed with the Court within 45 days of receiving this letter." Well!! Just who is overstepping the boundaries of their domain? As I read it there must be a statement somewhere in this particular census that misses stating the NA get access for storage, or is there a statement that this 'Special' Census does not be handled in the same manner as ordinary 10-year types. What would have made this outside the normal jurisdiction of Census? Freda

My Grandfather was a hod carrier. It took me a while to figure that one out. Today is is called a construction laborer. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D Digest V02 #261

My grandfather was a stone mason by day and a professional gambler by night. I understand his father was a horse thief - the reason for leaving Canada in a hurry.

No, my maternal line came from Down. My mother told me of her hiding in trash cans during the fighting during the war there in Down (probably during the teens). So, I guess it depends on one's perspective. Nora > Don't think Co Down has ever been seen as a great "rebel area". More likely > that they simply got it wrong or did grandparents come from Galway? > > Terry >

Hi My paternal grand mother did not have a particularly unusual occupation as an elevator operator for Gimbal's department store but, it was during an unusual time. It was somewhere between 1917 and 1919 at the early stages of woman suffrage. She was photographed as being the first female elevator operator in the US. I only saw the photo one time. It was in a history book when I was a HS sophomore in 1951. I have been trying to find that photo for years. Any ideas???? Thanks Jim

I am not sure how to post this back to the entire list so I will just hit reply all and see. My gfather was a barge captain for the marine div. of the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Railroad. It's main terminal was on the Hudson at Hoboken where boxcars were loaded onto the barges to make the trip across to Manhattan. The barges would hold 7 to 10 cars at one time and these cars were loaded with textiles or just about anything since there was no other way to get goods into New York. My mother was born aboard his tug while moored at the foot of Dupont St. Greenpoint Brooklyn. Later, he retired from the Southern Pacific Steamship Lines in New River Manhattan. His death certificate said he was a ship's captain but I have not been able to substantiate that. Since the SPSL had various fleet vechiles such as ferries, tugs, etc. I believe he was retired as captain of such. Renee (Skehan) Bien ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D Digest V02 #260

I was surprised to find my great-grandfather's occupation in the 1900 census as furrier (he was born in England to Irish parents who worked in the cotton mills in Lancashire). His sister-in-law was listed as a "fur cutter." Looking through the 1889 Brooklyn Directory, I found that he lived in the same neighborhood as a company called "Hatter's Fur Cutting Company", on the corner of Park Avenue and Sandford Street, Brooklyn. A search on the word "furrier" brought up dozens of names, many of which seem to be in the same neighborhood. I think "furrier" must have been a bit grandiose a term for the work they did! -Pat Gallagher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Hantke-Ogden" <s1036503010@mindspring.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:56 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] FURRIER - Most Interesting Occupation > My g grandfather was a furrier, as was his daughter and other family > relatives. I am not certain exactly the entire scope of this occupation, > but AI do not believe it included trapping - just the finished > products. Anyone else know about this occupation? > Susan > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? If so, > just subscribe to: > http://www.petuniapress.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My favorite one is works in a hoop skirt factory. Talk about fashion deciding your career. Joy Foertsch researching: Ward, Foertsch, Rigney, Thompson, Dean, Willison and Dowers -----Original Message----- From: tvhowe@lineone.net [mailto:tvhowe@lineone.net] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:24 AM To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [IRISH-NYC] Most Interesting Occupation? On my wife's side: Bonnet Maker; Fancy Goods Maker; Brickburner; Lace Designer; Potter; Lawyer's writer; Master Mariner. There are plenty of the more mundane like farmer, collier; flax worker etc. In all they seem to have come from or gone into a very varied set of occupations. Terry >-- Original Message -- >From: GaelEire@aol.com >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:39:04 EDT >Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Most Interesting Occupation? >To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > > >It's Labor Day weekend here in the States. I've been wondering: what is >the >most unusual and/or interesting occupation that you've discovered in your > >research? Or have you discovered an occupation or trade that runs in your > >family and maybe you never knew it? > >It was very surprising to learn that all the men in one line of mine, worked > >in various shipyards over several generations. For example, my father was > >amazed to learn that his first job as a ship-fitter was the same occupation > >once held by his father and grandfather (neither of whom he never knew). > >Anyone else find anything interesting? > >Have a wonderful and safe weekend! >Take care, >Tracy > > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002

Don't think Co Down has ever been seen as a great "rebel area". More likely that they simply got it wrong or did grandparents come from Galway? Terry >-- Original Message -- >From: Irishcolleen45@aol.com >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:01:28 EDT >Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Re: Irish County of Origin & Incorrect Family Information >To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > > >I have a great aunt who was born in County Down and her death certificate > >(1937 in Pittsburgh, PA) states Galway. The informant (her nephew) should > >have known her correct place of birth since his mother was her sister. I > >have a feeling he didn't fill out the information form but it was done by >the >funeral home. My cousin told me sometimes an incorrect place of birth is >on >the certificate because the person didn't want to be tagged as being "from >a >rebel area". > >Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > >> >> >> I have a similar problem with one line. My great-grandfather claimed to >be >> >> from Galway, Mayo, Roscommon and Leitrim. I've already eliminated Galway > >> and >> Roscommon, so now I'm on to Mayo. It wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't >> researching such a common name: Lynch! >> >> Then there's another line where all the children were born in Ireland, >but >> they all claimed New York City until they day they died. I'm not sure >what >> >> that's all about.... >> >> Take care, >> Tracy >> > > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >List Administrators: >Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com >Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On my wife's side: Bonnet Maker; Fancy Goods Maker; Brickburner; Lace Designer; Potter; Lawyer's writer; Master Mariner. There are plenty of the more mundane like farmer, collier; flax worker etc. In all they seem to have come from or gone into a very varied set of occupations. Terry >-- Original Message -- >From: GaelEire@aol.com >Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:39:04 EDT >Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Most Interesting Occupation? >To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > > >It's Labor Day weekend here in the States. I've been wondering: what is >the >most unusual and/or interesting occupation that you've discovered in your > >research? Or have you discovered an occupation or trade that runs in your > >family and maybe you never knew it? > >It was very surprising to learn that all the men in one line of mine, worked > >in various shipyards over several generations. For example, my father was > >amazed to learn that his first job as a ship-fitter was the same occupation > >once held by his father and grandfather (neither of whom he never knew). > >Anyone else find anything interesting? > >Have a wonderful and safe weekend! >Take care, >Tracy > > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Forwarded from cpurcell1@cox.net My grandfather was a sandhog as a young man, working on the construction of the Holland Tunnel. There were a lot of Irish included in that large work force. In later years he worked on the early submarines - built at the Submarine Boat Corporation in Newark, NJ. Larry Purcell

My grandmother's occupation in the 1900 census was that of envelope maker. This was in Manhattan; she was living in the 7th Ward. No one seems to have a clue as to what an envelope maker did: whether it was piece work at home or a factory occupation. Tom Mason

My gg granfather was a letter carrier and a lamp lighter. He would row a boat out to light the torch at the Statue of Liberty. And had another ggrandfather that was a truant officer. Rhoda Turner

A great uncle was a boxmaker and I believe somewhere on the census it stated, jewelry boxmaker. Has anyone else found this in their lineage? Susan

My g grandfather was a furrier, as was his daughter and other family relatives. I am not certain exactly the entire scope of this occupation, but AI do not believe it included trapping - just the finished products. Anyone else know about this occupation? Susan

It's Labor Day weekend here in the States. I've been wondering: what is the most unusual and/or interesting occupation that you've discovered in your research? Or have you discovered an occupation or trade that runs in your family and maybe you never knew it? It was very surprising to learn that all the men in one line of mine, worked in various shipyards over several generations. For example, my father was amazed to learn that his first job as a ship-fitter was the same occupation once held by his father and grandfather (neither of whom he never knew). Anyone else find anything interesting? Have a wonderful and safe weekend! Take care, Tracy

Farming. My brothers and I are the first generation not to grow up on a farm. My father's ancestors were farmers in the old world, my mother's ancestors were farmers for 350 years in the new. There was an occasional sideline of grocery store owner or gunsmith and my paternal grandfather was a baker's apprentice. But they were all first and foremost, farmers. My dad grew up on a farm and still has his vegetable garden every year. I haven't killed the houseplants yet. Kathy Farrell Payson, AZ

I have a great aunt who was born in County Down and her death certificate (1937 in Pittsburgh, PA) states Galway. The informant (her nephew) should have known her correct place of birth since his mother was her sister. I have a feeling he didn't fill out the information form but it was done by the funeral home. My cousin told me sometimes an incorrect place of birth is on the certificate because the person didn't want to be tagged as being "from a rebel area". Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > > > I have a similar problem with one line. My great-grandfather claimed to be > > from Galway, Mayo, Roscommon and Leitrim. I've already eliminated Galway > and > Roscommon, so now I'm on to Mayo. It wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't > researching such a common name: Lynch! > > Then there's another line where all the children were born in Ireland, but > they all claimed New York City until they day they died. I'm not sure what > > that's all about.... > > Take care, > Tracy >

I have a similar problem with one line. My great-grandfather claimed to be from Galway, Mayo, Roscommon and Leitrim. I've already eliminated Galway and Roscommon, so now I'm on to Mayo. It wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't researching such a common name: Lynch! Then there's another line where all the children were born in Ireland, but they all claimed New York City until they day they died. I'm not sure what that's all about.... Take care, Tracy