Forwarded from cpurcell1@cox.net : Hi Jim; I took another direction trying to get information about your grandmother's career at Gimbel's in NYC. I found a website that collected historical information on the retail industry, especially those well-known store names that fell by the wayside. The person I communicated with could offer no help, but suggested contacting the NY papers, which he thought might have a 'companion' story about your grandmother. I would have to hazard a few guesses about papers that were in business in 1917-19 who are still around, but the NY Times would be on the top of the list. I don't know when the Post and News and World Telegraph were in business, but perhaps there's a repository of stories at the NY Public Library on Fifth and 41st-42nd Streets. I'd even hazard a guess that somewhere there is a microfilm/microfiche if one or more of the papers did a story. I'll keep looking for some thread and let you know what, if anything, I dig up. Regards, Larry Purcell

Forwarded from cpurcell1@cox.net : Dear Marge; After about 12 years, on and off, my cousin and I have just made some inroads to our families' history. We both gave up several times along the way, but just when it seemed a roadblock had won, something happened that led us around it. It's still happening. My cousin just got a document about our gggrandmother which is invaluable. I found two old boxes in my brothers garage that held papers and pictures and keepsakes neither of us knew existed, including the two wooden figures from the top of my parents' wedding cake - looking as fresh and new as they did in July of 1932. My cousin tells me that the Angels we sent to Heaven (our parents, grandparents, et al) have been helping us with our search for their heritage. Lately I think they've been working overtime. Your story about going back to find records where someone said there wasn't any is an important reminder to all of us searching for our ancestors to not despair or give up. It's hard work but somehow it eventually gets through to us. I especially enjoyed the Irish Blessing at the end of your e-mail. I've printed it in an old gothic font and put it on the wall in front of my desk. It looks right there and I thank you for sharing it with all of us on the Irish in NY thread. Larry Purcell

Virginia Interesting because my Mom was the interior designer on the Equitable job, if you mean on 31st street Small world is it not slainte sheila

Virginia More specifically (in the UK anyway) someone who carried the hod of bricks up to where the bricklayer was working. Heavy work, says he who tried to carry a hod once and just about collapsed as he climbed up the ladder!! Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: Virginia ONeil [mailto:vmonrn@alltel.net] > Sent: 02 September 2002 15:05 > To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS > > > My Grandfather was a hod carrier. It took me a while to figure > that one out. > Today is is called a construction laborer. Virginia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:00 AM > Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D Digest V02 #261 > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com > Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, Can anyone tell me the ED for 1095 and 1099 Second Ave in NYC in 1880? Thxs. Rose Ann

Hello Listers-- I'm trying to find my needle-in-a-haystack ancestor, Patrick Farrington. He was b. 1818-1822 in Ireland According to his obituary in 1889, "...He came to America from Ireland about fifty years ago, resided in New York city for ten years, married and then came to South Bend, which at that time was a small village..." So, he came to the US about 1839. His wife's name was Mary Manghan/Magher, who was b. abt. 1831. They were married sometime 1849-1855. The South Bend mentioned is South Bend, Indiana, where he moved sometime 1855-1858 and raised his children and lived out his life. All the children were born in Indiana. I have NO idea where in Ireland he came from, where in New York he lived, when he landed...in fact, you all now know EVERYTHING I know about ol' Pat Farrington. Any suggestions appreciated...

At 11:49 AM 9/5/2002 -0400, Dorothy Nest <dotdot@iu.net> wrote: >Now, let's hear it for the "Gandy Dancers."....do you know? Dorothy, With several railroad people, in my tree, I'd better! In fact, as recently as the late 1950's, during college, my one cousin had a summer job as a 'gandy dancer'!! Hard work. Haven't quite figured out how the name came about. Walking the tracks, making reparirs, swinging a sledgehammer to knock in spikes --- what's that got to do with 'dancing'?? <g> Maureen

Now, let's hear it for the "Gandy Dancers."....do you know? Virginia ONeil wrote: > Yes you are correct. It was an object to carry cement for the brick layers. > It also was used to carry bricks. Sometimes it was a pouch and somtimes a > flat surface on a stick (handle) depending what the need was. Yes my Dad > was a journeyman mason contr. and my Grandfather was a hod carrier. They > bothe worked on the Equitable in NYC. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Fitzsimmons" <rvf5@voyager.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS > > > Do not have access to a dictionary but to me the hod was a pouch that > > held cement for the brick layers. My Mom was in the > > architecture/constructon industry and they had lots of hod carriers on > > the NY skyscrapers on which she worked > > > > slainte > > sheila > > > > ______________________________ > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com > Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Yes you are correct. It was an object to carry cement for the brick layers. It also was used to carry bricks. Sometimes it was a pouch and somtimes a flat surface on a stick (handle) depending what the need was. Yes my Dad was a journeyman mason contr. and my Grandfather was a hod carrier. They bothe worked on the Equitable in NYC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Fitzsimmons" <rvf5@voyager.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS > Do not have access to a dictionary but to me the hod was a pouch that > held cement for the brick layers. My Mom was in the > architecture/constructon industry and they had lots of hod carriers on > the NY skyscrapers on which she worked > > slainte > sheila > > ______________________________

Terry, I worked in London for years carrying the hod, know what you mean eddie

CARTER - carries or conveys in or as if in a cart From Ancestral (Archaic) Occupations: http://communities.prodigy.net/genealogy/sub_pages/Tools/occupations_N_Z.html Rose MARY & BOB MC DONALD wrote: > Hi to all > Does anyone know what a CARTER was in the 1860's ? > Bob Mcdonald > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Haney" <donhaney@rcn.com> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS- Hod Carrier > > > If you can imagine a wooden box with no top and the end and one side > removed > > leaving two sides and the bottom attached in the middle of the bottom to a > > wooden pole, that is a "hod". It is filled with bricks, then carried by a > > "hod carrier" to where the brick layer needs them. The hod carrier rests > the > > box on his shoulder and with the pole in a vertical position carries the > > bricks to the work site. When he gets to the proper spot, he gently tips > the > > hod forward so the bricks slide out. > > > > Don Haney in Carmel, NY > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Fitzsimmons" <rvf5@voyager.net> > > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS > > > > > > > Do not have access to a dictionary but to me the hod was a pouch that > > > held cement for the brick layers. My Mom was in the > > > architecture/constructon industry and they had lots of hod carriers on > > > the NY skyscrapers on which she worked > > > > > > slainte > > > sheila > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > > Please visit the list website: > > > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Adopt a US County list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ > Adopt a Surname list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

--part1_191.c99be25.2aa81573_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mario Yes, it was a high school text book. Thanks Jim << By history book...are we talking about a school textbook? Mario > Hi > > My paternal grand mother did not have a particularly unusual occupation as an > elevator operator for Gimbal's department store but, it was during an unusual > time. It was somewhere between 1917 and 1919 at the early stages of woman > suffrage. She was photographed as being the first female elevator operator in > the US. I only saw the photo one time. It was in a history book when I was a > HS sophomore in 1951. I have been trying to find that photo for years. Any > ideas???? > > Thanks > Jim > >> --part1_191.c99be25.2aa81573_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILINZD24-0904213401; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:34:01 2000 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.39]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZD44-0904213340; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:33:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g851WVSY021652; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:32:31 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:32:31 -0600 X-Original-Sender: mtogl@msn.com Wed Sep 4 19:32:31 2002 Message-ID: <004701c2547b$e3c45280$b34cd8ce@mariotog> From: "Mario Toglia" <mtogl@msn.com> Old-To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> References: <86.1fc80914.2aa4683e@cs.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:30:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2002 01:31:37.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA35DDE0:01C2547B] Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Unusual Occupation Resent-Message-ID: <Tu-SfC.A.9RF.vQrd9@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1765 X-Loop: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com By history book...are we talking about a school textbook? Mario > Hi > > My paternal grand mother did not have a particularly unusual occupation as an > elevator operator for Gimbal's department store but, it was during an unusual > time. It was somewhere between 1917 and 1919 at the early stages of woman > suffrage. She was photographed as being the first female elevator operator in > the US. I only saw the photo one time. It was in a history book when I was a > HS sophomore in 1951. I have been trying to find that photo for years. Any > ideas???? > > Thanks > Jim > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com > Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you will be unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please contact the list admin privately. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --part1_191.c99be25.2aa81573_boundary--

Hi to all Does anyone know what a CARTER was in the 1860's ? Bob Mcdonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Haney" <donhaney@rcn.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS- Hod Carrier > If you can imagine a wooden box with no top and the end and one side removed > leaving two sides and the bottom attached in the middle of the bottom to a > wooden pole, that is a "hod". It is filled with bricks, then carried by a > "hod carrier" to where the brick layer needs them. The hod carrier rests the > box on his shoulder and with the pole in a vertical position carries the > bricks to the work site. When he gets to the proper spot, he gently tips the > hod forward so the bricks slide out. > > Don Haney in Carmel, NY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Fitzsimmons" <rvf5@voyager.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS > > > > Do not have access to a dictionary but to me the hod was a pouch that > > held cement for the brick layers. My Mom was in the > > architecture/constructon industry and they had lots of hod carriers on > > the NY skyscrapers on which she worked > > > > slainte > > sheila > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please visit the list website: > > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

By history book...are we talking about a school textbook? Mario > Hi > > My paternal grand mother did not have a particularly unusual occupation as an > elevator operator for Gimbal's department store but, it was during an unusual > time. It was somewhere between 1917 and 1919 at the early stages of woman > suffrage. She was photographed as being the first female elevator operator in > the US. I only saw the photo one time. It was in a history book when I was a > HS sophomore in 1951. I have been trying to find that photo for years. Any > ideas???? > > Thanks > Jim > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com > Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Someone who moved supplies with a cart and a horse. -----Original Message----- From: MARY & BOB MC DONALD [mailto:marybob.mcd@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:44 PM To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS- Hod Carrier Hi to all Does anyone know what a CARTER was in the 1860's ? Bob Mcdonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Haney" <donhaney@rcn.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS- Hod Carrier > If you can imagine a wooden box with no top and the end and one side removed > leaving two sides and the bottom attached in the middle of the bottom to a > wooden pole, that is a "hod". It is filled with bricks, then carried by a > "hod carrier" to where the brick layer needs them. The hod carrier rests the > box on his shoulder and with the pole in a vertical position carries the > bricks to the work site. When he gets to the proper spot, he gently tips the > hod forward so the bricks slide out. > > Don Haney in Carmel, NY > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Fitzsimmons" <rvf5@voyager.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS > > > > Do not have access to a dictionary but to me the hod was a pouch that > > held cement for the brick layers. My Mom was in the > > architecture/constructon industry and they had lots of hod carriers on > > the NY skyscrapers on which she worked > > > > slainte > > sheila > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please visit the list website: > > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Adopt a US County list http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ Adopt a Surname list http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi List A Hod Carrier is a bricklayers labourer a Hod is carried on the shoulder and holds 10 bricks it is also used for carrying morter the hod carrier holds the hod with one hand and fills it with morter with a shovel or spade with the other hand it is the hardest job in the building trade and is used commonly in england

If you can imagine a wooden box with no top and the end and one side removed leaving two sides and the bottom attached in the middle of the bottom to a wooden pole, that is a "hod". It is filled with bricks, then carried by a "hod carrier" to where the brick layer needs them. The hod carrier rests the box on his shoulder and with the pole in a vertical position carries the bricks to the work site. When he gets to the proper spot, he gently tips the hod forward so the bricks slide out. Don Haney in Carmel, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Fitzsimmons" <rvf5@voyager.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: OCCUPATIONS > Do not have access to a dictionary but to me the hod was a pouch that > held cement for the brick layers. My Mom was in the > architecture/constructon industry and they had lots of hod carriers on > the NY skyscrapers on which she worked > > slainte > sheila > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Do not have access to a dictionary but to me the hod was a pouch that held cement for the brick layers. My Mom was in the architecture/constructon industry and they had lots of hod carriers on the NY skyscrapers on which she worked slainte sheila

Dear listers, I received a copy of my gggrandparents marriage certificate from St. Patrick's Old Cathedral. The date is April 28, 1856. Unfortunately it only lists their names and the names of the witnesses, no birth dates or place of birth or parents names. Would it have been necessary for them to obtain a marriage license prior to the church marriage? Thanks for any help given. Also, just wanted to say, never give up, and go back and recheck places. I had sent for this request about 5 years ago, along with the baptism record's of their 6 (actually was 7) children. The woman who worked in the office said she could not find one record. After contacting numerous area churches and finding no results, I pretty much figured the records were either there and overlooked, or they were never recorded. I contacted the church again, a new woman answered the phone. I wanted to find out the cost of each search, to see if it had changed from the first search. The amount was the same. I explained that I had previously requested a search but that nothing was found, but that I was almost 100% certain that they should be there. She took my name and said she would keep a look out for my request. I sent away for them, and within less then a week, she called me on the phone, totally excited that she had found my gggrandparents marriage record! And to top it off, I hadn't even given her my phone number. She called info to get it! She also ended up finding 5 out of the 7 baptismal records I needed. (of course, not for my ggrandfather's, but you can't win them all!) So, the moral is, if you are pretty sure on where the records should be found, try, try again!. Just thought I would share this in case someone else is having the same bad luck I was having. Marge Duffy Virgulak Jesus, A Never Ending Friend De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story. Beannachtai agus Siochain "Cuimhnig'ar 'Ar Sinnsir" - Remember Our Ancestors An Irish Blessing May God grant you always A sunbeam to warm you A moonbeam to charm you A sheltering angel So nothing can harm you Laughter to cheer you Faithful friends near you And whenever you pray Heaven to hear you.

Jim, Have you tried a GOOGLE search for her in the images category? You might find the photograph there. Debbie