I sent an forwarded a site from an email to you, I have it in my sent items & in my deleted items. My question is did you get what I sent & do you have any idea why it was in my deleted items? Thank you Bob Ryan [email protected]

I also received a huge bill for around $2500. I paid the fee for the lookup and that was it. Dawn Daly Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Re: CEMETERIES, CALVARY AND OTHERS Pat, What? No $3,000 bill for unpaid perpetual care? I think that's one of the bills my husband received from Calvary. The people in the grave weren't even direct relatives. Of course, he never paid it and has since requested more info from Calvary without a problem. Can't blame Calvary for trying. It cost a lot for maintaining the cemeteries old and new. Nora FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 3/11/2005 8:28:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I, too, had a bill of $33.00 for an interment list with 5 names. Also, was billed $49.00 for a list with 13 names. ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== To unsub, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: [email protected] (List Version) [email protected] (Digest Version) You can also unsubscribe from the website: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Does anyone have a Thomas Francis Walsh that married Hannah Marie Daly? They were both born in NYC in 1866 and married in 1891. They lived in Brooklyn and the Bronx. Hannah was born in Manhattan. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Meyer To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Walsh's in Holy Cross I am also researching WALSH family in Brooklyn (in-Laws) and they have several plots in Holy Cross but I do not see a Michael in any of them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Have you added your research interests to the Irish-in-New-York-City surname database yet? http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/photo6.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I'm From R.I. and thought this might interest some of the great New Yorkers I that frequent this site. Bob

maria Skellern came to NY in 1848 with her parents, she was 18 or 19, by 1864 she was married to a man called Fitzgerald with children I have a letter from her father of that date. Please how do I find her marriage as I live in England. Thank-you Diane.

Does anyone know how Calvary is coming along with computerizing their records? Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com

There have been a number of messages about Calvary, most indicating that a relative had been buried there, perhaps along with some new found "friends," :-) and a billing for perpetual care. Can anybody tell me if they are able to provide more information than is available from the death certificate. I have a ggrandfather who was buried there in 1895. Would they be likely to have information on place of birth, other than country, (such as town, parish, etc.), parents, date of marriage, local place of worship, other family members, etc. I would appreciate any insight that anyone may have on this. Thanks, Rod in Texas

Pat, What? No $3,000 bill for unpaid perpetual care? I think that's one of the bills my husband received from Calvary. The people in the grave weren't even direct relatives. Of course, he never paid it and has since requested more info from Calvary without a problem. Can't blame Calvary for trying. It cost a lot for maintaining the cemeteries old and new. Nora FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 3/11/2005 8:28:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I, too, had a bill of $33.00 for an interment list with 5 names. Also, was billed $49.00 for a list with 13 names.

Yes, they're still burying people in Calvary. The people who own plots still have the use of them. In the 'old days', grave liners weren't used, so after 25 years or so, the grave was considered empty, and could be re-used. I have some single graves in Calvary with as many as 6 burials, and tcould be considered empty as the last burial was in the 1970's. Regards, Grace [email protected] wrote: >In a message dated 3/11/2005 1:30:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] >writes: > > > >>. If you don't pay and there are empty spaces in the plot, others >>might be buried there who aren't related to you. But what does it matter >>after all? You learn where your relatives are buried, and since they are >> >> >> > >Does anyone know if they are still burying people in Calvary? The last I >heard of a relative being buried there was 1983. I didn't go though, because I >was home with a toddler sick with chicken pox - and the daughter of the departed >hadn't had chicken pox. Do they double up or add extra graves after a while? > > >A relative got one of those lists in 1997. It was very interesting and >informative. They even told of one person whose grave had been moved there from an >older cemetery when Calvary opened. > >Elizabeth Shannon > > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

In a message dated 3/11/2005 1:30:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > . If you don't pay and there are empty spaces in the plot, others > might be buried there who aren't related to you. But what does it matter > after all? You learn where your relatives are buried, and since they are > Does anyone know if they are still burying people in Calvary? The last I heard of a relative being buried there was 1983. I didn't go though, because I was home with a toddler sick with chicken pox - and the daughter of the departed hadn't had chicken pox. Do they double up or add extra graves after a while? A relative got one of those lists in 1997. It was very interesting and informative. They even told of one person whose grave had been moved there from an older cemetery when Calvary opened. Elizabeth Shannon

Rose Mary- I think these Walsh's in Holy Cross Cemetery are the same one's I found in Census Records living in Elmhurst. Even though not a direct family line-it is very helpful in helping me rule them out. I'll definitely save these records since they may prove to be somehow related at a later date in my research. The info you were kind enough to forward answers a longstanding question: if Michael is buried with a Irish origins headstone at this cemetery. In ruling this out as a possibility helps narrow the field. Thanks for taking the time to answer my inquiry. susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Mary A. (McGrath) Neal" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Michael Walsh:Brooklyn & Queens > Susan, > This may be of some help to you or cause more questions. Could this be 2 > of the Walsh children you mentioned? Could the Gillen's be Genevieve's > husband/child/in-laws? Might be a back door way of getting to information > you need if there is a connection. I found no Alfred or the wife/mother, > Genevieve "Jenny" Jones/Walsh references in the below mentioned book. > > page 104: > Walsh > Genevieve, 2/10/1895 - 11/9/1940 > James J., 11/11/1889 -1/23/1954 > See Gillen, Michael J., 7/31/1908, 3 (my note here:does the "3" mean > author was unable to make out the last number of the date? i.e. 1903 or > was he 3 years old ) > page 39 > Gillen > Michael J., 7/31/1908, 3 > By father Michael, 8/13/1862 -8/16/1935, Glebe, Derry > Genevieve Walsh, 2/10/1895 - 11/9/1940 > Mary Gillen, 3/20/1862 - 3/7/1946 > James J. Walsh, 11/11/1889 - 1/23/1954 > > Tombstones of the Irish Born > Cemetery of the Holy Cross > Flatbush, Brooklyn > By Joseph M. Silinonte > Copyright 1994 > > Good luck, > > Rose Mary > > > Jeffrey <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone have ideas or access to a Marriage Index for Brooklyn(circa > 1890)for Grooms(WALSH)and Brides(JONES)? > Have tried/failed for years to find info. on Michael Walsh-born County > Kilkenny circa 1863. Immigrated Port of NY circa 1880-85. Resident of > Brooklyn. > Spouse: Genevieve(Jenny)JONES. > Date/Place of Marriage: circa late 1880's-1891. My best guess: 1890 > Brooklyn. > Religion:Roman Catholic. > Occupation:Unknown. > Children: > Genevieve(Jenny) E Walsh-b.Brooklyn 1892. > James Walsh-b.Brooklyn circa 1894 > Alfred Francis Walsh-b.Brooklyn date unknown. > > Major problem is huge number of "Michael Walsh's" in Brooklyn City > Directories,etc. Cannot distinquish one from the other unless can find > documentation with his name and that of wife/children. Secondly, Michael > Walsh died mid to late 1890's-possibly early 1900's. Date/place of burial > unknown-probably Calvary,etc. His wife remarried(surname of 2nd husband > unknown)and family moved to Elmhurst or Maspeth. Cannot locate family in > Census/Brooklyn City Directories/Birth Records. > > Only plan left that I can think of is to attempt to locate their marriage > certificate. With a "year" of marriage and "address" I have a chanch to > narrow down a Ward/E.D. in Census Records and distinguish my Michael Walsh > from others in City Directories. > susan > n.j. > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Adopt a US County list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ > Adopt a Surname list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you will be unsubbed. > If you are flamed, please contact the list admin privately. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I agree a small fee for look-up is fine, and you do not have to pay back perpetual care! No one is going to be buried there unless they have a deed for the plot, and back perpetual care is paid in full. Just my 2 cents John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I am also researching WALSH family in Brooklyn (in-Laws) and they have several plots in Holy Cross but I do not see a Michael in any of them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Peter, Calvary Cemetery 49-02 Laurel Hill Blvd. Woodside, NY 11377 718-786-8000 Make check payable to Calvary Cemetery for $25. If additional names are located, they will bill you $2 for each. You must have a date of death or date of burial for them to use because that is how their records are kept. Good Luck! Grace [email protected] wrote: Message forwarded from [email protected] Surely it has been posted in prior messages, but please repeat the full address and telephone number of Calvary Cemetery. Also, how is the check made out? Payable to who? Thanks very much. Peter in Colorado ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== To unsub, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: [email protected] (List Version) [email protected] (Digest Version) You can also unsubscribe from the website: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

My goodness - all this talk about what cemeteries in NYC charge to get internment lists - they have the right to ask you to pay for them to look up the records. At least they will look them up for you. They are not in the business of helping people with genealogical research and they should be paid for the time they take to do the research as it takes them away from their other duties. Cemeteries have been sending bills to people for perpetual care for years. I got one in 1972 for over $1000 for my great-grandfather's plot when I asked for an internment list - and I didn't pay it. If you don't pay and there are empty spaces in the plot, others might be buried there who aren't related to you. But what does it matter after all? You learn where your relatives are buried, and since they are long dead and so are their immediate loved ones, no one really cares who else gets buried in that same plot. Can we go on to a different thread? Mary Anne

Message forwarded from [email protected] Surely it has been posted in prior messages, but please repeat the full address and telephone number of Calvary Cemetery. Also, how is the check made out? Payable to who? Thanks very much. Peter in Colorado

These also might be worth looking into...sorry I missed them the first time: page 104 (same book as previously mentioned) Walsh Michael, Gohilly/Gubilyn, Kilkenny By wife Catherine (a second entry under one above) Walsh Michael, 4/7/1877, Golmoy, Kilkenny By his wife Catherine Rose Mary Jeffrey <[email protected]> wrote: Does anyone have ideas or access to a Marriage Index for Brooklyn(circa 1890)for Grooms(WALSH)and Brides(JONES)? Have tried/failed for years to find info. on Michael Walsh-born County Kilkenny circa 1863. Immigrated Port of NY circa 1880-85. Resident of Brooklyn. Spouse: Genevieve(Jenny)JONES. Date/Place of Marriage: circa late 1880's-1891. My best guess: 1890 Brooklyn. Religion:Roman Catholic. Occupation:Unknown. Children: Genevieve(Jenny) E Walsh-b.Brooklyn 1892. James Walsh-b.Brooklyn circa 1894 Alfred Francis Walsh-b.Brooklyn date unknown. Major problem is huge number of "Michael Walsh's" in Brooklyn City Directories,etc. Cannot distinquish one from the other unless can find documentation with his name and that of wife/children. Secondly, Michael Walsh died mid to late 1890's-possibly early 1900's. Date/place of burial unknown-probably Calvary,etc. His wife remarried(surname of 2nd husband unknown)and family moved to Elmhurst or Maspeth. Cannot locate family in Census/Brooklyn City Directories/Birth Records. Only plan left that I can think of is to attempt to locate their marriage certificate. With a "year" of marriage and "address" I have a chanch to narrow down a Ward/E.D. in Census Records and distinguish my Michael Walsh from others in City Directories. susan n.j. ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Adopt a US County list http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ Adopt a Surname list http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Susan, This may be of some help to you or cause more questions. Could this be 2 of the Walsh children you mentioned? Could the Gillen's be Genevieve's husband/child/in-laws? Might be a back door way of getting to information you need if there is a connection. I found no Alfred or the wife/mother, Genevieve "Jenny" Jones/Walsh references in the below mentioned book. page 104: Walsh Genevieve, 2/10/1895 - 11/9/1940 James J., 11/11/1889 -1/23/1954 See Gillen, Michael J., 7/31/1908, 3 (my note here:does the "3" mean author was unable to make out the last number of the date? i.e. 1903 or was he 3 years old ) page 39 Gillen Michael J., 7/31/1908, 3 By father Michael, 8/13/1862 -8/16/1935, Glebe, Derry Genevieve Walsh, 2/10/1895 - 11/9/1940 Mary Gillen, 3/20/1862 - 3/7/1946 James J. Walsh, 11/11/1889 - 1/23/1954 Tombstones of the Irish Born Cemetery of the Holy Cross Flatbush, Brooklyn By Joseph M. Silinonte Copyright 1994 Good luck, Rose Mary Jeffrey <[email protected]> wrote: Does anyone have ideas or access to a Marriage Index for Brooklyn(circa 1890)for Grooms(WALSH)and Brides(JONES)? Have tried/failed for years to find info. on Michael Walsh-born County Kilkenny circa 1863. Immigrated Port of NY circa 1880-85. Resident of Brooklyn. Spouse: Genevieve(Jenny)JONES. Date/Place of Marriage: circa late 1880's-1891. My best guess: 1890 Brooklyn. Religion:Roman Catholic. Occupation:Unknown. Children: Genevieve(Jenny) E Walsh-b.Brooklyn 1892. James Walsh-b.Brooklyn circa 1894 Alfred Francis Walsh-b.Brooklyn date unknown. Major problem is huge number of "Michael Walsh's" in Brooklyn City Directories,etc. Cannot distinquish one from the other unless can find documentation with his name and that of wife/children. Secondly, Michael Walsh died mid to late 1890's-possibly early 1900's. Date/place of burial unknown-probably Calvary,etc. His wife remarried(surname of 2nd husband unknown)and family moved to Elmhurst or Maspeth. Cannot locate family in Census/Brooklyn City Directories/Birth Records. Only plan left that I can think of is to attempt to locate their marriage certificate. With a "year" of marriage and "address" I have a chanch to narrow down a Ward/E.D. in Census Records and distinguish my Michael Walsh from others in City Directories. susan n.j. ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Adopt a US County list http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ Adopt a Surname list http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I, too, had a bill of $33.00 for an interment list with 5 names. Also, was billed $49.00 for a list with 13 names. **** All outgoing mail scanned by Norton Anti-virus **** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grace Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: [NYC] CEMETERIES, CALVARY AND OTHERS > Ted, > > I requested information from Calvary several weeks ago and sent $25 with > my inquiry. I received the information on the person I was looking for > and the names of 4 additional people buried in the same plot. Along with > the information they sent me, was a bill for an additional $8.00. So I > think it is still the same, i.e. $25 for the first name and $2 for each > additional name. > > Grace > > Vi &Ted Schmitz <[email protected]> wrote: > Has Calvary lowered their fees? The last time I talked to them it was $25 > for the 1st person and 2$ for > each additional one in the plot. > > Cheers, Ted > > > Subject: [NYC] CEMETERIES, CALVARY AND OTHERS > > >> CALVARY CHARGES $17 ALSO AND THEY ALSO SEND YOU A NICE LETTER ABOUT >> "PERPETUAL CARE" WHICH EVERYONE IGNORES, BUT 20 YRS AGO CEMETERIES, >> DIDN'T >> CHARGE, >> NOW WITH THE ABUNDANCE OF GENEALOGY RESEARCH BEING DONE, MOST HAVE >> STARTED >> CHARGING FEES. >> KRISTINA > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To unsub, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: > [email protected] (List Version) > [email protected] (Digest Version) > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ______________________________

Would anyone have any leads on the Co. Clare societies in NYC/Greenwich Village 1890-1910? Thanks! Bill Bray