Any information on Co. Waterford societies in NYC around the same time period? Thanks! Erin (Corcoran) Schuck [email protected] wrote: Would anyone have any leads on the Co. Clare societies in NYC/Greenwich Village 1890-1910? Thanks! Bill Bray ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Have you added your research interests to the Irish-in-New-York-City surname database yet? http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/photo6.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

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Bob- thanks for checking your WALSH cemetery records, I'll keep searching. susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Meyer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Walsh's in Holy Cross > I am also researching WALSH family in Brooklyn > (in-Laws) and they have several plots in Holy > Cross but I do not see a Michael in any of them. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Have you added your research interests to the Irish-in-New-York-City > surname database yet? > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/photo6.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

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Message forwarded from [email protected] Check old wills - I found two ancestor's wills that left $$ for "perpetual care" of family plots. I think the cemeteries hope families don't know this.

I wouldn't dismiss those relatives buried with him, they provide great leads. Blow off the perpetual care, pay the fee, get the info. :) liz In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:59:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > > Since I already have a death certificate, it appears that there is > little to be learned from Calvary about my relative other than what > other relatives or "friends" :-) > may be buried with him and, perhaps, how much I owe for perpetual care. :-) > >

Thanks to everybody who responded to my request. Since I already have a death certificate, it appears that there is little to be learned from Calvary about my relative other than what other relatives or "friends" :-) may be buried with him and, perhaps, how much I owe for perpetual care. :-) Thanks, Rod

In a message dated 3/12/2005 11:13:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Check with the cemetery. Not sure how you can prove you are the rightful heir, though. Do you really want to pay the perpetual care bill? If the graves are full, what's the point? If they are not, would you use the graves? What got me started in this was I found some old paperwork stating that my g-grandfather was buried in Calvary. We were all surprised because we've always been told he was buried in Potters Field. My grandmother used to tell us this--so it seems my grandfather and my g-uncle gave him a proper burial in Calvary. He was left in Bellevue hospital for 10 days before my grandfather claimed him. I don't think my grandmother even knew they did this. There was something going on between my grandmother and her husbands father, I think she blamed him for the death of her youngest child who died from encephalitis supposedly from a mosquito bite. He used to bring him down to the horses in NYC because he was a great horse lover. So I found paperwork that said my g-uncle bought those plots right after my g-grandfather died. 3 months later he died, then a month later his wife died. They were all buried in there also. They also had an 8 year old child nobody knows what happened to. I don't know if he is buried there or not. Maybe I'm really looking for answers to questions about my family. My grandparents never talked about their families. But about the graves---I don't want anything from them, we don't want to use them for anyone in the family. If a family was given the plots by the cemetery that's okay--I'm glad they were of use to someone. We didn't even know it existed until a few years ago. And why did he buy 20 plots? I guess I'll never have the answers. Thanks to everyone who read and answered this. Donna Tackney "...... there are no random acts.....we are all connected. .............. you cannot more separate one life from another than you can separate a breeze from the wind." Mitch Alborn The Five People You Meet in Heaven

I would appreciate knowing if there are any County Cork Societies? Thank you.

I got out my family's information about Calvary. Someone requested it and received it in 1997. At the top it says: Calvary and Allied Cemeteries, 1011 First (Room 1740), New York, NY 10022-4134, Calvary Cemetery 49-02 Laruel Hill Blvd., Woodside, NY 11377-7396. It says name it was "recorded in." I think that person died and was buried just a few years after the space in Calvary was bought. Grave numbers. There is a blank line next to "Deed #" It says the date of purchase. Thre is a list of "interred." Names, date of burial, age at death, which grave # he or she is buried in, and birth place. For birth place it says: "United States," "Brooklyn, NY," and "New York." I think those are all accurate. They were all born in this country but descended from Irish immigrants. However, for one it says, "Untied States." We know they mean "United States," but it just goes to show how easy a typographical error can confuse things. If the typo had been in a name or date instead, we might not know it was just a typo, and we might copy the error and repeat it. It also has says "Lilliam," but fortunately we know that it's really "Lillian." It says "Foulkes" correctly three times but "Faulkes" once. Again, we know what it should be in this case too. I wonder if there are any errors in the dates or ages? I hope this helps. Elizabeth Shannon

Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Re: CALVARY-WHAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE? > > Rod, > > The only thing I saw was the date of interment, age and birthplace > (country). No parents' name noted. I take the age and birthplace info with > a with a > grain of salt. The ages were off by at least 12 years on some and one's > birthplace was listed as New York instead of Ireland. Even death records > from that > time period doesn't list the parents' names if I'm not mistaken. > > > Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Nora I have a NYC death cert from Mar 1884 and it has a place for the name and birthplace of the mother and father. All it had was info on the father, mother was listed as unknown. Rather strange, it was my GGGrandfather and died at his sons home. Cheers, Ted

Hi Bill...........If you get any leads on Cty Clare societies would you please pass them on to me. My Fitzpatricks originated in Clare. Thanks Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Irish County Societies > Would anyone have any leads on the Co. Clare societies in NYC/Greenwich > Village 1890-1910? Thanks! > Bill Bray > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Have you added your research interests to the Irish-in-New-York-City > surname database yet? > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/photo6.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Donna, My husband's cousin has a copy of the deed. I don't think there is a list on the owners available to the public. In fact, the way we first found out that my husband's cousin was the owner was that I can read some writing upside down. I recognized her name. The person in the cemetery office had the book out to look at the deed info. He wouldn't give out the original owner's address even though she was dead over fifty years. He told us you have to wait for 100 years from the purchase date for that info if I remember his comments correctly. Check with the cemetery. Not sure how you can prove you are the rightful heir, though. Do you really want to pay the perpetual care bill? If the graves are full, what's the point? If they are not, would you use the graves? I am curious on how it would be handle. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 3/12/2005 10:01:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone know how to go about finding these deeds so possibly they can be claimed by decendents! thanks donna luzzi

They aren't public records - these are documents that families would have in their possession; the deed could be handed down via will, but it's likely to be with whatever personal papers families have saved over the years. That's how my aunt has a Holy Cross deed for a plot bought by my greatgreat grandfather back in the 1840's. It is possible to prove ownership without the deed by showing direct descent or will(s). Does anyone know how to go about finding these deeds so possibly they can be claimed by decendents!

FYI - St. John's in Queens >>> In 1999, when I called St. John's Cemetery in Queens regarding my G-grandmother's plot, they told me who the deed owner was (her son, now deceased) and that there was ONE opening left, BUT the perpetual care of $987.00 (& growing every day) would have to be paid FIRST. > I told her that I didn't think that any living family member had the deed now. She said that all I would need to do is prove my relationship to the deed owner listed. Just thought I would pass this info along. > Kathleen New Canaan, CT. >>>

Does anyone know how to go about finding these deeds so possibly they can be claimed by decendents! thanks donna luzzi

Rod, The only thing I saw was the date of interment, age and birthplace (country). No parents' name noted. I take the age and birthplace info with a with a grain of salt. The ages were off by at least 12 years on some and one's birthplace was listed as New York instead of Ireland. Even death records from that time period doesn't list the parents' names if I'm not mistaken. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 3/11/2005 9:01:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: There have been a number of messages about Calvary, most indicating that a relative had been buried there, perhaps along with some new found "friends," :-) and a billing for perpetual care. Can anybody tell me if they are able to provide more information than is available from the death certificate. I have a ggrandfather who was buried there in 1895. Would they be likely to have information on place of birth, other than country, (such as town, parish, etc.), parents, date of marriage, local place of worship, other family members, etc. I would appreciate any insight that anyone may have on this. Thanks, Rod in Texas

John, It's not easy getting the deed. It passes down to the next of kin or I guess in a will. I think my husband's elderly cousin received in a will. The owner of the grave site was her paternal aunt who never married. However, the cousin was not the only niece or nephew living at the time of the aunt's death nor was she the eldest descendent. So that's what makes me think she got it through her aunt's will. IMHO. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 3/11/2005 9:01:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I agree a small fee for look-up is fine, and you do not have to pay back perpetual care! No one is going to be buried there unless they have a deed for the plot, and back perpetual care is paid in full. Just my 2 cents John

Yes, people are still being buried there. My husband's 87 year old first cousin once removed buried her 100 year old cousin there around 2001. This was in the old section. There are still graves in the plot and she will be buried there when she dies. As long as there are graves in the plots and the perpetual care has been paid, I guess people will be buried there. My husband's great grandmother and her daughter were moved from one grave to another in 1926 when her husband died. We checked the other grave site and no one is buried there. Her son had bought the grave when his mother and sister died in 1916 and no perpetual care has been paid in well over 50 years. The son died in 1954 and his wife had him buried in Gate of Heaven with her family. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 3/11/2005 9:01:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: Does anyone know if they are still burying people in Calvary? The last I heard of a relative being buried there was 1983. I didn't go though, because I was home with a toddler sick with chicken pox - and the daughter of the departed hadn't had chicken pox. Do they double up or add extra graves after a while? A relative got one of those lists in 1997. It was very interesting and informative. They even told of one person whose grave had been moved there from an older cemetery when Calvary opened. Elizabeth Shannon

no i dont remember and i dont see it my family is from clifden there last names were currin and leetle now in the states little sorry i cant help more edna