Hi Rochelle, Based on the information you sent out I went ahead and looked, there was an Owen Martin listed, but I think he is to young to be yours...He was born in 1850 in New York, is listed as a minor child. I also searched for an Ann Martin, there are many listed but none who are listed as the wife/widow of Owen. Do you have any other information? Diane K

Could someone check and see if OWEN and ANN MARTIN are listed? I've hit nothing but dead ends trying to find something on them. All I know is they were from Ireland, but I have no idea where, they married in NYC in 1862 and by 1870 they lived in Trenton NJ. I've tryed baptism records at the church they married but no luck, death records do not list parents name, and the church they married St Michaels has nothing at all. Thanks Rochelle

Hi Lorena, I did check for Thomas Flanagan, and MaryAnn but found nothing, strange, there were no Flanagan's listed at all. Diane Kennedy

In a message dated 3/18/2005 1:01:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: recently came upon a new series of mysteries by Rhys Bowen. They books tell the story of Molly Murphy - starting with her trip over the Ocean to her settlement in NYC. Interesting stuff. ______________________________ This series follows a successful one about a policeman in Wales named Evans (what else?).Evans to Betsy and Evan's Gate are two. I wouldn't be surprised if a scottish series were to come next! I enjoyed the Welsh series, the plots are well crafted and I don't know much about Wales. The Molly Murphy tales I did not enjoy, distracted by the superficial seeming research. This series seems to be in the category of "potboilers" and may indeed be very entertaining to many as pure fiction, I wouldn't consider it even historical fiction. GMcC NJ

It's probably a long shot, but could someone with access look up Thomas Flanagan, spouse Mary Ann Flanagan nee Woods? I know they were in NY by Nov. of 1876, because that's when the one child of theirs I know of was born in Manhattan, but I have no idea how long they'd been in the US before that. If I makes a difference, we think that Mary was English (from Liverpool), not Irish. Thanks! Lorena /|\ Searching for: F l a n a g a n (NY state), F l o r i o, C o c c i a, M a r t i n g a n o; F o l e y, F e r g u s o n, M o r g a n <http://users.ev1.net/~ljwolfe/fam-tree/>

I did not find any David Hogan listed, I did find 4 Elizabeth Hogans. I have included the account numbers for each name. They were only in the index books so no other information was given.. Elizabeth Hogan, 125314, 126726, 136554, 78047. There were no William Gould or Elizabeth Gould listed. Sorry I could not have been of more help. Diane

In a message dated 3/19/05, [email protected] writes: > There's a contradiction in these two answers. Is it possible that one of > the > census years is wrong? > > Thanks for that quiz, that was very interesting! > Liz > > > In a message dated 3/18/2005 10:56:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > > 4. According to statistics culled from the 1890 US Federal Census, which > New > > > > York City ward had more Irish born residing in it - the Fourth Ward or the > > > Sixth Ward - "Bloody Sixth"? > > Statistics show that the Fourth Ward had a larger Irish-born population, > at > > 8,267 then did the "Bloody Sixth", who had 4,508. > > > > 5. According to statistics culled from the 1890 US Federal Census, which > New > > > > York City ward had the most Irish born residing in it? > > a. 19th Ward > > Statistics show that there were 61,858 Irish-born residing in the 19th > Ward. > > > > > Hi Liz, Both questions refer to the 1890 census. The first is asking which of the two wards had more Irish-born. (Just a comparison between these two wards.) The second question should have read which ward out of all the wards in NYC had the most Irish-born residing in it in 1890. I apologize for not phrasing these questions more clearly. Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com

Tracy, What is paddy making in this questions answer? 7. This activity became so problematic every year during NYC's St. Patrick's Day parade, that it was finally made illegal in the 1800s. What was it? c. paddy making Thanks, Ro

If you would be so kind to look up: David Hogan married to Elizabeth Wall Hogan William Gould married to Elizabeth Jones Wilson. All lived in lower Manhattan. Thank You

Diane, ...OR does it say "wife" Ellen B.........? Yuk! sorry Ro Diane <[email protected]> wrote: I found a CAREY, Dennis who is a distant rellie to my McGOLDRICK family in the Bank Records. It lists the ship he came in on in handwriting that is hard to read. It looks like "Toy Again". I know that's wrong. Does anyone have an idea of what that ship's correct name would be? Diane Shaw St. Louis, MO ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== List Administrators: Tracy Cassidy [email protected] Jim McCarthy [email protected] ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Diane, Your account # 5013 for Denis Carey's ship name looks like "Joy Again" "to Quebec Ships Ellen Blan?howe" to me. Perhaps a Canadian site might know of it or one of the ships lists online. Ro Diane <[email protected]> wrote: I found a CAREY, Dennis who is a distant rellie to my McGOLDRICK family in the Bank Records. It lists the ship he came in on in handwriting that is hard to read. It looks like "Toy Again". I know that's wrong. Does anyone have an idea of what that ship's correct name would be? Diane Shaw St. Louis, MO ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== List Administrators: Tracy Cassidy [email protected] Jim McCarthy [email protected] ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I found a CAREY, Dennis who is a distant rellie to my McGOLDRICK family in the Bank Records. It lists the ship he came in on in handwriting that is hard to read. It looks like "Toy Again". I know that's wrong. Does anyone have an idea of what that ship's correct name would be? Diane Shaw St. Louis, MO

Not a contradiction, although it confused me at first, also. The 4th had more than the 6th, but the 19th still had the most. It was fun and I always learn something from this list. Barb There's a contradiction in these two answers. Is it possible that one of the census years is wrong? Thanks for that quiz, that was very interesting! Liz In a message dated 3/18/2005 10:56:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > 4. According to statistics culled from the 1890 US Federal Census, which New > > York City ward had more Irish born residing in it - the Fourth Ward or the > Sixth Ward - "Bloody Sixth"? > Statistics show that the Fourth Ward had a larger Irish-born population, at > 8,267 then did the "Bloody Sixth", who had 4,508. > > 5. According to statistics culled from the 1890 US Federal Census, which New > > York City ward had the most Irish born residing in it? > a. 19th Ward > Statistics show that there were 61,858 Irish-born residing in the 19th Ward. > >

There's a contradiction in these two answers. Is it possible that one of the census years is wrong? Thanks for that quiz, that was very interesting! Liz In a message dated 3/18/2005 10:56:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > 4. According to statistics culled from the 1890 US Federal Census, which New > > York City ward had more Irish born residing in it - the Fourth Ward or the > Sixth Ward - "Bloody Sixth"? > Statistics show that the Fourth Ward had a larger Irish-born population, at > 8,267 then did the "Bloody Sixth", who had 4,508. > > 5. According to statistics culled from the 1890 US Federal Census, which New > > York City ward had the most Irish born residing in it? > a. 19th Ward > Statistics show that there were 61,858 Irish-born residing in the 19th Ward. > >

Here are the answers to our St. Patrick's Day quiz. How did you do? 1. How many Americans today have full or partial Irish ancestry? a. 40 million This figure is from the US Census Bureau. 2. How many Irish emigrated to the United States between 1845 and 1995? b. 5.5 million This figure is from INS. 3. According to 1870 US Federal Census, two-thirds of all Irish born resided in which area of the country? d. New England & Mid-Atlantic states Two-thirds of all Irish-born in the US at the time of the 1870 US Census were residing in New England and the Mid-Atlantic states. A full one-half of these were in the New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania (in descending order) area alone. 4. According to statistics culled from the 1890 US Federal Census, which New York City ward had more Irish born residing in it - the Fourth Ward or the Sixth Ward - "Bloody Sixth"? Statistics show that the Fourth Ward had a larger Irish-born population, at 8,267 then did the "Bloody Sixth", who had 4,508. 5. According to statistics culled from the 1890 US Federal Census, which New York City ward had the most Irish born residing in it? a. 19th Ward Statistics show that there were 61,858 Irish-born residing in the 19th Ward. 6. According to the Guinness Book of World Records, which American parade is the largest annual parade in the world? b. New York's St. Patrick's Day Parade Ah, but you knew that! ;) 7. This activity became so problematic every year during NYC's St. Patrick's Day parade, that it was finally made illegal in the 1800s. What was it? c. paddy making 8. In what year did the Fighting 69th become the official escorts of the St. Patrick's Day parade? The Fighting 69th became the official escorts in 1851. 9. Every year county associations, representing the counties of Ireland, march in the parade. Which county was the first? d. Monaghan In 1853, the County Monaghan Social Club became the first county association to march. 10. What is known as the 'long green line'? NYC's St. Patrick's Day parade of course! Brain Teaser: 1. NYC's St. Patrick's Day parade always reflects the mood and concerns of the Irish community. There was one year in parade history, where something was specifically prohibited in the parade. This is the only time it happened. What was it? Ah, this was a hard one! In 1915, Arrangements Committee Chairman Roderick Kennedy strictly prohibited the song "It's A Long Way to Tipperary" from being played in the parade. Kennedy, an ardent nationalist, found the song offensive because it was used by the British government for military recruitment in Ireland. Everything went fine until a band stopped in front of St. Patrick's Cathedral and broke into the song. Kennedy charged down from the reviewing stand and physically stopped the band in mid-tune. This was the only year the song was banned from the parade.

Tom That was quire an eloquent thank you to our Irish-NYC list. And I, as one of the many researchers of list, truly recognize your joy of finding that small nugget which weighs a ton to you. Congratulations!!! Jim McCarthy

Dear Fellow List Members, I guess that there are a million ways to say thanks, but how does one go about it and convey some meaning to the word because, sometimes, it can sound hollow at best. One can readily say thanks for some simple gesture or effort that was done on the behalf of the recipient and then each person goes about their business as usual. On the other hand, when strangers happen to cross paths on any given day, one never knows how much the help that was extended towards a person might effect his or her life except the one who was the beneficiary of that effort. What one may conceive as being rather simple or mundane can sometimes become that one defining moment in an individual's life and in many cases, not even recognized or appreciated by the rest of humanity as they do battle on a daily basis to survive. Like some tiny creature who grasps at crumbs and scampers to it's hide-a-way where it can savor each and every morsel, so too do some of us humans cherish whatever it was that we were or are seeking and we relish whatever it is that "Good Dame Fortune" has managed to throw our way And so it is that hidden in some ancient manuscript is someone's link to the past. While others might scoff at whatever entry might have been discovered by someone as being rather insignificant as they go about conquering some far-off lands, the words that were written become treasures unto themselves to the beholder and have greater richness or meaning than a pocket full of gold. In the event that someone might wonder what it is that I am saying, please consider the following; Michael Crean, was sought by his brother, Laurence, on June 14, 1862. The County was given as Tipperary and the Parish being Fethard in the Townland of Fethard. This bit of information was recorded in the "Database of Advertisements for Irish Immigrants Published in the Boston Pilot." The sponsors or publishers of this information was the Boston College Department of Education. As I sit and ponder the possibilities of this entry, I look back upon the twenty-five plus years that I have sought for a Michael Crean, who, along with his wife Mary Shea, brought their son, Patrick, to be baptized at Holy Trinity Church in Fethard, Tipperary on January 6, 1844. No matter how much I sought or searched could I ever solve the mystery involving Michael Crean. Where he went or where he might have come from leaves a vacancy on my family's genealogical chart. This, in spite of the fact that, all things considered, Patrick Crean/Crehan is strongly believed to be my great-grandfather. And so now, Dear Friends, as I ponder the consequences of this entry and whether it bears fruit or not, I hope that you can all appreciate the good work that you have done for this person who merely exists as a name somewhere out there in the vast reaches of the inter-net. Should some kind soul happen to have access to the actual entry that was made in the newspaper of long ago I would deeply it appreciate it if you would forward it to me. It is on that account that I can only wonder about the possible information such an entry might contain. To those of you who may not know, I do have a book on the WWW that is "Free To Read." The name of my book is, "Green Is The Valley, Blue Are The Hills." The URL is http://fethard.com/crane Should you happen to read my book, you will find Michael Crean's name recorded as I had written it in 1986. I had written it from a copy of a baptismal certificate that I received from a friend in Ireland a few years prior to that. As that friend surely should know, I have been indebted to him ever since. Having made this discovery on St. Patrick's Day I now wonder if the Good Saints might have smiled upon me. Many thanks and God bless you one and all, Tom Crane

Someone is searching for DALTONs. I have DALTONs in my line in Morris County New Jersey. My great grandmother is Mary DALTON married in Morristown NJ my great grandfather William MURRAY in 1883. Don't have much else on Mary though. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank  Records at Ance  stryare excellent Hi Nancy, I checked for Peter Dalton, there were none listed, there were several Bridgets, none of whom were listed as the wife or widow of Peter, nor did they match up with the dates you gave me. No Susan Dalton was listed. Sorry I could not be of more help. Diane ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi Nancy, I checked for Peter Dalton, there were none listed, there were several Bridgets, none of whom were listed as the wife or widow of Peter, nor did they match up with the dates you gave me. No Susan Dalton was listed. Sorry I could not be of more help. Diane

I am interesting on a Peter Dalton who was in N.Y. in 1860. I though he came from Ireland around 1820-40. His dau. Susan b. 1843 in N.Y, City ..I was wondering when he came to the U.S. Peter B. 1819 in Ireland and his wf, Bridget B. 1818 in Ireland..need help. Thanks Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank Records at Ancestryare excellent You are so right!! What a wonderful St. Patrick's Day Gift!! I was wondering if I would ever get a chance to look at them....what a fantastic surprise to find my family, it supported the data I have collected and made me feel I am on the right track... If you need a someone to do a look up, I shall be glad to...I would considered it a way of paying back all the folks who have done kindness to me! Diane K. ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com