I'm not so sure that a horse came into the equation. Frank > From: "Keleher, Pat" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:59:54 -0000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:01:01 -0700 > > Frank, > A google search (occupation cartman census)gives many examples > > Known children of WILLIAM BRYAN and MARTHA (unknown): > 1. Rose Ann born about 1812 Ireland; died 31 Jan 1890 Geneva NY; married > before 1845 in Ireland Abraham Thornton as his second wife; born about 1804; > died 23 Mar 1869. They migrated to America arriving at New York City 2 Dec > 1846 on ship ST. GEORGE with their family which included children from > Abraham's prior marriage. Abraham is buried in Washington Street Cemetery, > Geneva NY. > +2. WILLIAM born about 1825 North Ireland; died between 29 July 1870 and 24 > June 1875; his burial place is not known; married SARAH JANE WILSON born 11 > May 1833 Scotland; died 8 May 1889; daughter of John Wilson and Sarah > (unknown). It is not known if they married in Ireland or if William found > romance soon after arriving in America. William worked as a laborer and one > of his occupations was as a cartman delivering goods with a horse and cart. > Sarah, commonly called Jane, is buried in Glenwood Cemetery, Geneva NY. > Sarah left a will dated 23 Feb 1889 recorded in Ontario County, copy > attached. By deed dated 10 Oct 1865, Lot 5 and 6 on the north side of > Cortland Street, Geneva NY was purchased for $175. Liber 133; P 319. It is a > bit mysterious as the deed was executed by only "Jane Bryan" and from the > census of 1870, we know that William was still living > > no 2 extracted example > Thomas H Parker > > Born: 1881 > Spouse: > Children: > > Occupation: 1901 Census shows that he was a Cartman for a Grocer. > 1881 Census shows that he was 2 months of age, born in Allendale, > Northumberland and living in High Stobb, Allendale, Northumberland. > 1901 Census shows that he was 20 years of age, born in Allendale, > Northumberland and living in Allendale, Northumberland. > > Regards Patrick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank McCullough [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 22 March 2005 15:07 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish > > Hello List, > > Does anyone have a good definition of what exactly a "Cartman" was in the > mid 1800s ? > > Thank You > > Frank > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy [email protected] > Jim McCarthy [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To post a message to the Irish-New-York-City list, please send your email to: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello List, Does anyone have a good definition of what exactly a "Cartman" was in the mid 1800s ? Thank You Frank

Diane, Thanks so much-the first guy looks very promising! Eileen

Erin, First thing you should do is go to the www.waterfordcoco.ie go to the County library page where you will find griffiths valuations and the death register, it is worth while checking those out, there are other things of interest there also.Waterford Heritage Centre holds all church records for waterford so you could use them.They predate 1864. happy hunting, Eddie.in Dungarvan....a few miles from Lismore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erin Schuck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Irish records > > Hello everyone, > > I have a research question about Irish records and I need your help. I know that my ggrandfather Bartholomew Corcoran comes from Curraheen, Lismore, Co. Waterford and I don't know where my ggrandmother Mary Nolan comes from in Ireland. They met and married in Manhattan. > > I have located Bartholomew's birth record from Dublin House and it lists his parents (Patrick Corcoran, Ellen Ahearn) but they were born before 1864. How would one go about researching their family before civil registration? Also, how would I find Bartholomew's siblings? > > Regarding Mary Nolan, if I don't know where she was born in Ireland, how can I find her? I do know her parent's names (John Nolan, Catherine Cregon). > > Lastly, I'm planning a trip to Ireland in May and I hope to be able to do some onsite researching. Where do I start? > > Thanks for any help you can offer me. > > Erin Schuck > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list websites: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > http://www.inyc.freeservers.com > They are works in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

The NYG&B did an article on the Emigrant Savings Bank Records. You can find it at this link: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle& artid=70 >>>by Suzanne McVetty, C.G. Originally published in The NYG&B Newsletter, Winter 1998 Ann (Dillon) (Jennings) Prendergast was born in County Galway, Ireland, and resided with her family in Mount Mary in Galway. Sometime before 1852, Ann's parents, Robert Dillon and Ann Kelly, passed away, leaving four children. Ann's brother John remained in Ireland as did her sister Elizabeth, while her sister Jane lived in New York. It is very possible that Jane, following the Irish pattern of chain migration, helped her sister Ann by sending funds to pay her passage to America. Chain migration refers to the Irish custom of sending funds back to Ireland to pay the passage for the next to come over.>>>>

Could you look up John Flanagan b.1850 in Ireland (Probably County Mayo). Immigrated in 1867. Married Mary Kelsey. I believe Mary died around 1900-1910. Thank you in advance for your time researching! Jill --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

Erin, My question to you is do you have a marriage certificate for your gggrandparents? If not...I do not know if you are familiar with the http://italiangen.org site, they have a Groom listing for New York City. I checked it for your gggrandfather and did not find him I did find 2 Mary Nolan's. I can give that information if you like or check it out for yourself. Good luck in your search, Ro Erin Schuck <[email protected]> wrote: Hello everyone, I have a research question about Irish records and I need your help. I know that my ggrandfather Bartholomew Corcoran comes from Curraheen, Lismore, Co. Waterford and I don't know where my ggrandmother Mary Nolan comes from in Ireland. They met and married in Manhattan. I have located Bartholomew's birth record from Dublin House and it lists his parents (Patrick Corcoran, Ellen Ahearn) but they were born before 1864. How would one go about researching their family before civil registration? Also, how would I find Bartholomew's siblings? Regarding Mary Nolan, if I don't know where she was born in Ireland, how can I find her? I do know her parent's names (John Nolan, Catherine Cregon). Lastly, I'm planning a trip to Ireland in May and I hope to be able to do some onsite researching. Where do I start? Thanks for any help you can offer me. Erin Schuck --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please visit the list websites: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com They are works in progress. Thank you for your patience! ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Erin There's Dennis Ahern, [email protected] that has a great amount of knowledge about the many ways Ahern is spelled. He might have your Ahearn's in his records. If he does he could possibly know Where the Nolan's hail from. He might be able to give you some advice. Bob Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erin Schuck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Irish records > > Hello everyone, > > I have a research question about Irish records and I need your help. I > know that my ggrandfather Bartholomew Corcoran comes from Curraheen, > Lismore, Co. Waterford and I don't know where my ggrandmother Mary Nolan > comes from in Ireland. They met and married in Manhattan. > > I have located Bartholomew's birth record from Dublin House and it lists > his parents (Patrick Corcoran, Ellen Ahearn) but they were born before > 1864. How would one go about researching their family before civil > registration? Also, how would I find Bartholomew's siblings? > > Regarding Mary Nolan, if I don't know where she was born in Ireland, how > can I find her? I do know her parent's names (John Nolan, Catherine > Cregon). > > Lastly, I'm planning a trip to Ireland in May and I hope to be able to do > some onsite researching. Where do I start? > > Thanks for any help you can offer me. > > Erin Schuck > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list websites: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > http://www.inyc.freeservers.com > They are works in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Annie Did you Clarkes come from Cavan Patricia Smith in Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annie Nolan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] CLARK Emigrant Savings Bank > Could somebody please do a look up for me? > > Francis A. Clark. > Patrick Clark. > Ann Clark. > > 1865 to 1875 Thank You. Annie Nolan. > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy [email protected] > Jim McCarthy [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Diane, Please look up the following names: Patrick Clark,emigrated 1866 Ann Clark, abt. 1868 Francis A. abt. 1870 Thank you, Annie

Hello everyone, I have a research question about Irish records and I need your help. I know that my ggrandfather Bartholomew Corcoran comes from Curraheen, Lismore, Co. Waterford and I don't know where my ggrandmother Mary Nolan comes from in Ireland. They met and married in Manhattan. I have located Bartholomew's birth record from Dublin House and it lists his parents (Patrick Corcoran, Ellen Ahearn) but they were born before 1864. How would one go about researching their family before civil registration? Also, how would I find Bartholomew's siblings? Regarding Mary Nolan, if I don't know where she was born in Ireland, how can I find her? I do know her parent's names (John Nolan, Catherine Cregon). Lastly, I'm planning a trip to Ireland in May and I hope to be able to do some onsite researching. Where do I start? Thanks for any help you can offer me. Erin Schuck --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

I know this is an impossible task with the surnames. Might I have a chance? Ann & James McCloskey supposedly came in 1854 with son William Andrew & Charlotte Johnson. Thank you. Mary in CA [email protected]

Eileen, I found two Robert Rooney's listed in the test books. 1. ROBERT ROONEY (account # 50049) Transaction date Nov 6, 1865. He is living at what appears to be 243--could be 273 Greenwich (at least it looks like that) He is single, working as a porter. He was born in County Down Ireland est year is 1842. He arrived here in June of 1859 per "Glasgow"Spelling is difficult to read. 2. ROBT. Rooney (account #57155) Transaction date is Jan 21, 1867. He is a porter living at what looks like the Sweeny Hotel. (I can't quite make it out). He is from County Leitrim est. year is 1848. He arrived here in1864 per "Louisiana" His father's name is Robert. There was another reference to this account in the Ledger book, when I check it said it was closed on Jan 19, 1867. There were several other Robert Rooney's but no data other than name and account number was given. Hope this is of help Diane

Pam, I checked for Lawrence Dolan, and Lawrence Dolon. No listings were found. Diane K

Is this databank online? If not, would someone with access please look for Patrick Higgins, 1863-1868? Thanks,

A Big thanks to: Liz [email protected] Diane [email protected] Ro [email protected] They were able to see through the chicken scratch & gather a huge amount of information. Thanks again. Frank McCullough

Hi Diane, Could you please do a lookup for Robert Rooney? Thanks for your kind offer! Eileen

Could somebody please do a look up for me? Francis A. Clark. Patrick Clark. Ann Clark. 1865 to 1875 Thank You. Annie Nolan.

Hi, If possible, I would appreciate someone checking for LAWRENCE DOLAN? I don't know much about him other than he was born c 1846 and came to the US in 1870. Thanks for your help!! --Pam -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005

Frank, Acct. 410 date 19-Feb-51 Abraham, Issac Rel. 1 McAlean, Catherine(w) Mason Mulberry St 141 Louth Aug 1839 Nat of Ireland, Co Lough [Louth] 15 yrs in US - Married Man - Native of Cullon Co Louth Ire - Arr last time in Aug 1839 per ship __ from L'Pool - Parents are dead - Is married to Cath McAlean, 5 Chld all in NY Above from printed book; page 42 Irish Immigrants of the Emigrant Industrial Savings Bank 1850-1853 Volume I By Kevin J. Rich Hope this clears up the fuzzy spots from the online image, Ro Frank McCullough <[email protected]> wrote: Hello List.... All those kind souls who are doing lookups...I've done the lookup, now I need translators. Any of you willing to take a go ? Acct# 410 Isaac Abraham (acct transferred to widow Catherine in 1864) Acct# 5456 Michael McKenna Acct# 5457 John & Mary Ann Kelly The test books page has the info, but some is incredibly difficult to decipher. Any and all help (even guesses), greatly appreciated. Thank you. Frank McCullough Calif. ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx