...the Village or lower West Side of Manhattan, NYC, these days? I'd love to know what's presently standing on the following sites [e.g., "4-story apartment house, circa 1960s", or "really-old-funky-looking-tenement-could-be-19th-Century", that sorta thing] : 14 Grove St. 10-1/2 Grove St. 16 Gansevoort St. 224 West 18th St. 413 West 25th St. All five addresses were places where either my grandparents or great-grandparents lived. I now live in California and can't easily get back to NYC to look at these places with my own aging eyes. Incidentally, the 10-1/2 Grove address was further defined by the small letter, 'r,' meaning "rear," and I've read enough about 19th Century slums to know "rears' were ramshackle structures thrown up behind street-fronting buildings to pack still more unfortunate, desperate people onto the lot....and, of course, increase the landlord's income. There's no way the "rear" building could still be standing [I certainly hope not!], but at least I'd like to know what's fronting at that number today. Any kind IRISH-in-NY souls who walk through those 'nabes' who'd be willing to take note of what's there for me? And who just might be carrying a digital camera and...oh, well, I guess that's too much to hope for. BTW, while searching for my g-GPs and gg-GPs in a NY City Directory of the 1860s or 1870s, I found a "Matthew Brady, phtg," listed as a resident in one of the Chelsea-area addresses above [don't remember which one just right now]. Maybe there were two Matthew Brady photographers back then, but I do know the famous Civil War chronicler was originally from NYC and moved to Washington, DC, during the War. Whether he remained permanently in DC after the War or came back to Manhattan, I don't know, but I enjoy thinking my gg-GM and g-GM were neighbors to the man at some point in his career. Best Regards, G. Alexander

Sorry...question #1 should read, "marriage" certificiate not "death" certificate...of 1896. Thanks, Ro "Rose Mary A. (McGrath) Neal" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, This is rather long and I am sorry but, I did not want to leave out any information that might be helpful to those willing to offer help. I am hoping someone can help me, particularly if you are in the New York City area and can get records ect. (of course I will pay for whatever.) I am looking for verification and information on my grandfathers sibilings and his parents/step-father if possible. Patrick Mc Grath b. Ireland d. ? m (?) Catherine "Kate" Barry b. Ireland d. ?. (great grandparents according to son Lawrences marriage certificate.) They had at least one child that I know of (for sure); Lawrence (sometimes spelled Laurence) "Laurie" F. Mc Grath b. Nov. 1888/1889 in New York City, d. October 30, 1947 in Lower Manhattan at 21 Oliver Street, NY City (b. Holy Cross, Brooklyn), m. September 12, 1909 at St. James Church, Manhattan Mary Carstens b. September 4, 1892 to Charles and Mary (Monahan) Carstens, d. ? 1965 (b. Holy Cross, Brooklyn.) (Lawrence and Mary are my grandparents.) When Lawrence and Mary married he was living at 95 Roosevelt Street in Manhattan according to their marriage certificate. In the 1900 census I believe I found Lawrence living as a boarder at 92 Roosevelt Street, with Timothy Lynch 40 b. June 1860, Ireland arrived U.S. 1880 and Kate his wife 39 b. Jan 1861, Ireland, arrived U.S. 1872 (she has had 5 children and 4 are living.) Timothy and Kate had been married only 4 years. (The enumerator did not specify number of marriages for either one.) Besides Lawrence living with this couple as boarder are his siblings (I believe); Mamie 18 years single b. March 1882, Hoboken, New Jersey Bridie/Birdie 16 years single b. June 1884, Jersey City, New Jersey Lawrence (see above) Margrette(?) 9 years single b. June 1890, New York (next to her name is the word "daughter" crossed out and replaced with "boarder"). What I need help with: 1. Is this my Kate (Barry) Mc Grath married to Timothy Lynch? If so, what happened to Patrick Mc Grath? Did he die in New Jersey or New York? Is the death certificate available for Kate and Timothy in 1896? 2. When did Kate die? When did Timothy die? And where did they die? Are their death certificates available? 3. What happened to Lawrence's sisters? Ancestry.com has not helped...only with the census of 1900 in this case. I have been able to find information on my grandfather Lawrence but, not his siblings or his parents/step-father. I have searched italiangen.org also. There I think I found Bridie in the death index; 42 years old d. Nov. 3, 1925 (?) age seems right for birth date. I have searched my books, "Emigrant Bank" and "Tombstones of the Irish Born", nothing in either one. Any suggestions, advice or comments will be appreciated. Thank you, Ro ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== List Administrators: Tracy Cassidy [email protected] Jim McCarthy [email protected] ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi, This is rather long and I am sorry but, I did not want to leave out any information that might be helpful to those willing to offer help. I am hoping someone can help me, particularly if you are in the New York City area and can get records ect. (of course I will pay for whatever.) I am looking for verification and information on my grandfathers sibilings and his parents/step-father if possible. Patrick Mc Grath b. Ireland d. ? m (?) Catherine "Kate" Barry b. Ireland d. ?. (great grandparents according to son Lawrences marriage certificate.) They had at least one child that I know of (for sure); Lawrence (sometimes spelled Laurence) "Laurie" F. Mc Grath b. Nov. 1888/1889 in New York City, d. October 30, 1947 in Lower Manhattan at 21 Oliver Street, NY City (b. Holy Cross, Brooklyn), m. September 12, 1909 at St. James Church, Manhattan Mary Carstens b. September 4, 1892 to Charles and Mary (Monahan) Carstens, d. ? 1965 (b. Holy Cross, Brooklyn.) (Lawrence and Mary are my grandparents.) When Lawrence and Mary married he was living at 95 Roosevelt Street in Manhattan according to their marriage certificate. In the 1900 census I believe I found Lawrence living as a boarder at 92 Roosevelt Street, with Timothy Lynch 40 b. June 1860, Ireland arrived U.S. 1880 and Kate his wife 39 b. Jan 1861, Ireland, arrived U.S. 1872 (she has had 5 children and 4 are living.) Timothy and Kate had been married only 4 years. (The enumerator did not specify number of marriages for either one.) Besides Lawrence living with this couple as boarder are his siblings (I believe); Mamie 18 years single b. March 1882, Hoboken, New Jersey Bridie/Birdie 16 years single b. June 1884, Jersey City, New Jersey Lawrence (see above) Margrette(?) 9 years single b. June 1890, New York (next to her name is the word "daughter" crossed out and replaced with "boarder"). What I need help with: 1. Is this my Kate (Barry) Mc Grath married to Timothy Lynch? If so, what happened to Patrick Mc Grath? Did he die in New Jersey or New York? Is the death certificate available for Kate and Timothy in 1896? 2. When did Kate die? When did Timothy die? And where did they die? Are their death certificates available? 3. What happened to Lawrence's sisters? Ancestry.com has not helped...only with the census of 1900 in this case. I have been able to find information on my grandfather Lawrence but, not his siblings or his parents/step-father. I have searched italiangen.org also. There I think I found Bridie in the death index; 42 years old d. Nov. 3, 1925 (?) age seems right for birth date. I have searched my books, "Emigrant Bank" and "Tombstones of the Irish Born", nothing in either one. Any suggestions, advice or comments will be appreciated. Thank you, Ro

Message forwarded from [email protected] Looking for Patrick Higgins living at 57 Washington St., New York City and/or Brooklyn, 1863-1865. If found, please email me a copy of entry(ies). Need to know names of others living at this address whether a Higgins or not. Thanks, Pat

Message forwarded from [email protected] Does the Mormon Library in Salt Lake have the microfilms of the Emigrant Savings Bank?

Deb, Maywood wasn't built up too much back in 1905/15. Not exactly rural, but not far from it. I've got lots of relatives in Jersey City, population abt 200,000 back then and that is what I was thinking of! <g> I agree, less populated areas wouldn't be too difficult to browse, but the urban areas are a big challenge. Maureen On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:57:02 -0500, Deb O'Reilly <[email protected]> wrote: > My $.02... I've used the New Jersey State Census records for Bergen County > and while it did take a while to locate the several families I was looking > for in Maywood, a hour or so? Not too long a time in my mind. So if you > have at least a county and/or town name it shouldn't be too hard to locate > the family of your search. > > I have also used the New York State census films for Queens County and > again, because Queens is broken down into 'towns', I was able to locate my > families relatively easily there. Now, I have not tackled Manhattan or > Brooklyn where I know several of my families were residing and should show > up on one or more of the NY state census records... I guess it would help if > one knows the EDs from previous and next census, but I too have cringed at > the thought of trying to scroll through reels and reels of microfilm... > > Hth, > > Deb O'Reilly > Midlothian, Viriginia USA > home page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dcoreilly > A&NESFHS #13005 > WorldConnect at Rootsweb/Ancestry.com: > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dcoreilly > Researching the Grassick and related families of Aberdeenshire > > -----Original Message----- > From: MJ Mann [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] help state census 1905 & 1915 > > Donna, > > NJ has both 1905 & 1915 on microfilm. There is NO INDEX for any of > the state census records. The microfilms are at the State Archives > where anyone can go & use them. And although the Archives staff does > handle some simple mail requests (for a fee, of course) they don't do > the state census requests, because of the lack of index.!! I believe > microfilm rolls are available from the LDS. > > I haven't used them yet, the thought of scrolling through and reading > all those census pages, keeps me putting this task at the bottom of my > 'to do' list. <g> > > Hope this helps, > Maureen > ==================================== > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:34:45 -0500, Donna Luzzi <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > Would anyone know if NY or NJ had a 1905 or 1915 census?? and is it > online?? > > > > thanks for any help > > best regards and this very wet day here in Va. Bch., Va. > > donna > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy [email protected] > Jim McCarthy [email protected] > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

My $.02... I've used the New Jersey State Census records for Bergen County and while it did take a while to locate the several families I was looking for in Maywood, a hour or so? Not too long a time in my mind. So if you have at least a county and/or town name it shouldn't be too hard to locate the family of your search. I have also used the New York State census films for Queens County and again, because Queens is broken down into 'towns', I was able to locate my families relatively easily there. Now, I have not tackled Manhattan or Brooklyn where I know several of my families were residing and should show up on one or more of the NY state census records... I guess it would help if one knows the EDs from previous and next census, but I too have cringed at the thought of trying to scroll through reels and reels of microfilm... Hth, Deb O'Reilly Midlothian, Viriginia USA home page: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dcoreilly A&NESFHS #13005 WorldConnect at Rootsweb/Ancestry.com: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dcoreilly Researching the Grassick and related families of Aberdeenshire -----Original Message----- From: MJ Mann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] help state census 1905 & 1915 Donna, NJ has both 1905 & 1915 on microfilm. There is NO INDEX for any of the state census records. The microfilms are at the State Archives where anyone can go & use them. And although the Archives staff does handle some simple mail requests (for a fee, of course) they don't do the state census requests, because of the lack of index.!! I believe microfilm rolls are available from the LDS. I haven't used them yet, the thought of scrolling through and reading all those census pages, keeps me putting this task at the bottom of my 'to do' list. <g> Hope this helps, Maureen ==================================== On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:34:45 -0500, Donna Luzzi <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Folks, > Would anyone know if NY or NJ had a 1905 or 1915 census?? and is it online?? > > thanks for any help > best regards and this very wet day here in Va. Bch., Va. > donna > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ====

Are you sure it was Jeters? I looked at a listing of street name changes for Queens and did not find that street name listed anywhere. Can you look at the census image and the page before and after to get street names close to the one you found? Lucy

Donna, NJ has both 1905 & 1915 on microfilm. There is NO INDEX for any of the state census records. The microfilms are at the State Archives where anyone can go & use them. And although the Archives staff does handle some simple mail requests (for a fee, of course) they don't do the state census requests, because of the lack of index.!! I believe microfilm rolls are available from the LDS. I haven't used them yet, the thought of scrolling through and reading all those census pages, keeps me putting this task at the bottom of my 'to do' list. <g> Hope this helps, Maureen ==================================== On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:34:45 -0500, Donna Luzzi <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Folks, > Would anyone know if NY or NJ had a 1905 or 1915 census?? and is it online?? > > thanks for any help > best regards and this very wet day here in Va. Bch., Va. > donna > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ====

Hello from a newbie to this interesting list. Could I put my scant information to the cumulative brainpower out there and ask for suggestions as to what (and where) I should look for information regarding my great grandfather please? If I only I had known that I had NY connections I would have headed to the Libraries instead of Bloomingdales when I was there in 1996!!! I think I have found the family in the 1870 NY census (11th District, 6th Ward, - page 50) and would like to know if it is possible to pin down a precise location of their dwelling. I think the area is bounded by Spruce St, Gold St, Liberty St, Broadway and Park Row. Is this Manhattan or Brooklyn?? Bridget (b Ireland 1800) and Thomas (b Ireland 1810) FLYNN and at least one child, Patrick (b Roscommon Ireland 1843), emigrated from Roscommon to NY between 1843 and 1870. Patrick fought in the Civil War and then married Margaret Croke (Croak??) in 1872 at St James Brooklyn (I have a copy of their marriage certificate). Their first child, Thomas, appears to have been born in Brooklyn, NY in the first part of 1876 although I have no proof of this. They sailed for Sydney, Australia on the Ivanhoe on 3 June 1876. I don't know where to look for a shipping list from Ireland to NY (1843-1870) and where to go for a reference for a birth certificate for Thomas Flynn born in 1876. Was there another Census done in 1875? I would be grateful for any suggestions, Susan Hunter Gandy in the Blue Mountains, west of Sydney, Australia

I am wondering if the Church of the Transfiguration on Mott Street is close by to Greene Street, Manhattan. Thanks, Betty Lou Thank you for the information but no, it was Transfiguration on Mott Street in Manhattan. I can only hope the Manhattan one is as nice as the Brooklyn one. Thanks again! Liz In a message dated 3/24/2005 6:48:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > > We were pleased to find wonderful response from the Church of the > Transfiguration in Brooklyn. Is this the one you are referring to? We > have many records from there. > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you will be unsubbed. If you are flamed, please contact the list admin privately. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Grace , Yes I have but I was in to small just looking at street nos, I just had another go zoomed out and can see it's a stones throw from Central park Which I think is Manhattan Thanks Patrick (Wood trees nose and face come to mind) -----Original Message----- From: Grace Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 24 March 2005 14:03 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] places to look knowing adress in New York City Patrick, Have you tried just putting the address in mapquest to see where it is? Grace "Keleher, Pat" <[email protected]> wrote: Please pardon my lack of knowledge concerning New York City. I know the street address as detailed on an Ellis Island Manifest To be.....232 East 76th Street New York..... one street end is 1st Avenue and the other end is 2nd Avenue. I am trying to find the area where I would look for the tenant or family group at that time of 1904. Hoping someone can help direct me Regards Patrick ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Adopt a US County list http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ Adopt a Surname list http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== To unsub, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: [email protected] (List Version) [email protected] (Digest Version) You can also unsubscribe from the website: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Please pardon my lack of knowledge concerning New York City. I know the street address as detailed on an Ellis Island Manifest To be.....232 East 76th Street New York..... one street end is 1st Avenue and the other end is 2nd Avenue. I am trying to find the area where I would look for the tenant or family group at that time of 1904. Hoping someone can help direct me Regards Patrick

Message forwarded from [email protected] Hello--I have a passenger list from the ship Teutonic, sailing from Queensland, Sept. 15, 1904 and arriving in NY Sept. 22, 1904. I am willing to send it to anyone who would like to have it, as it is not relevant to my family tree. Please contact me off line before March 30 as I hope to leave for Florida for a month. Marilyn

What about if the street no longer exists? I tried to look up Newtown Road and Jeters Street in Queens from the 1900 census on mapquest and it's not there. Any suggestions? "Keleher, Pat" <[email protected]> wrote:Grace , Yes I have but I was in to small just looking at street nos, I just had another go zoomed out and can see it's a stones throw from Central park Which I think is Manhattan Thanks Patrick (Wood trees nose and face come to mind) -----Original Message----- From: Grace Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 24 March 2005 14:03 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] places to look knowing adress in New York City Patrick, Have you tried just putting the address in mapquest to see where it is? Grace "Keleher, Pat" wrote: Please pardon my lack of knowledge concerning New York City. I know the street address as detailed on an Ellis Island Manifest To be.....232 East 76th Street New York..... one street end is 1st Avenue and the other end is 2nd Avenue. I am trying to find the area where I would look for the tenant or family group at that time of 1904. Hoping someone can help direct me Regards Patrick ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Adopt a US County list http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ Adopt a Surname list http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== To unsub, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: [email protected] (List Version) [email protected] (Digest Version) You can also unsubscribe from the website: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

Thank you for the information but no, it was Transfiguration on Mott Street in Manhattan. I can only hope the Manhattan one is as nice as the Brooklyn one. Thanks again! Liz In a message dated 3/24/2005 6:48:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > > We were pleased to find wonderful response from the Church of the > Transfiguration in Brooklyn. Is this the one you are referring to? We > have many records from there. > >

We were pleased to find wonderful response from the Church of the Transfiguration in Brooklyn. Is this the one you are referring to? We have many records from there. Carol

Patrick, Have you tried just putting the address in mapquest to see where it is? Grace "Keleher, Pat" <[email protected]> wrote: Please pardon my lack of knowledge concerning New York City. I know the street address as detailed on an Ellis Island Manifest To be.....232 East 76th Street New York..... one street end is 1st Avenue and the other end is 2nd Avenue. I am trying to find the area where I would look for the tenant or family group at that time of 1904. Hoping someone can help direct me Regards Patrick ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Adopt a US County list http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ Adopt a Surname list http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I haven't tried anything yet, I usually try to get a "reference" first. Had my fair share of churches in NY take the money and run. Liz

I was going to try and contact them very soon, what have you tried to date?