I found a relative's account at the Emigrant. He was a boatman who lived in Kingston, Ulster Co. Presumably he could use the bank when he came down the Hudson. Ev

Anne, Can you send my an email off- line regarding those you are researching...I may be able to help. Ro Anne Ring <[email protected]> wrote: Can someone tell me if the Emigrant Savings Bank only lists membersf rom the NYC area? or was it open to any immigrant? I only have one distant relative who actually lived in NYC (but with a common name like William McGowan, and no other identifying information, I can't ascertain which, if any, of them might be him) but I also have several immigrant family members who lived in the Steuben and Allegany county areas of NY. Is it unlikely they had an account there? TIA, Anne ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== To unsub, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: [email protected] (List Version) [email protected] (Digest Version) You can also unsubscribe from the website: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Okay, guys. We have covered most all of the avenues of research for vital records in New York City, except one; Justices of the Peace at the various City Halls. Did they keep records in the 1880's? Who were they, and where did they work? In other words, where can records be obtained of the couples they married? Genie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D Digest V05 #129

Anne, I have noticed account holders from locations in New York and New Jersey near NYC. Also, references to family, etc. elsewhere in the U.S. Ancestry permits a general search by name so it would be worth a try. Good Luck, Cathy

It was open to anyone, but since the bank was only in Manhattan those days, chances were if one lived outside of the city they wouldn't have used it. If they lived in NYC for any length of time they might have...Transportation being what it was, Steuben and Allegany county would be a bit far to come from to make a deposit or withdrawl....<grin> Mary Anne, from beautiful and green and sunny Michigan

Can someone tell me if the Emigrant Savings Bank only lists membersf rom the NYC area? or was it open to any immigrant? I only have one distant relative who actually lived in NYC (but with a common name like William McGowan, and no other identifying information, I can't ascertain which, if any, of them might be him) but I also have several immigrant family members who lived in the Steuben and Allegany county areas of NY. Is it unlikely they had an account there? TIA, Anne

Thanks to everyone who sent me their opinion on this mystery relative. I drummed up the courage to call the Public Administrator's office and they explained pretty much what everyone had said, that she probably died alone so the ME had to get involved to make sure the death was natural. They gave me the name and number of a lawyer that was in the record so I'm going to try to contact him on Monday. I really appreciate the time and advice that everyone gave me! Thanks again! Liz

It could also be that she was not under a doctor's care & there wasn't a doctor of record to sigh her death cert. Marion [email protected] wrote: I received a list of internments from a grave in Calvary Cemetery. I found a woman buried in that grave, same surname, buried in 2002 at age 92. Here's where the mystery comes in: She died on April 1st but was buried on April 13th. I called the Funeral Home that handled the funeral and they tell me that the Public Administrator's office handled the burial. That the reason for the delay was that the body was sent to the Medical Examiner's office first. So...why would a 92 year old woman have to be handled by the ME's office and what am I going to find if I call the Public Administrator's Office? Any advice? Liz ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please visit the list websites: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com They are works in progress. Thank you for your patience! ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

Pat: 57 Washington Street was located between Morris Street and 3rd Street, near West Street. It was torn down to make way for the access road leading to the West Side Highway. You may be able to request a tax photo if the building was still there in the 1930's. Go to this site: _http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/taxphotos/home.shtml#order_ (http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/taxphotos/home.shtml#order) Lucy

Elizabeth: From a public health standpoint, MEs are brought into deaths when there is concern that a death at home is not natural and does not occur in a hospital due to natural causes. One might expect that a 92 yr old woman would die of a natural death, but that is not necessarily so. The body might have had broken bones, bruises or some injury (burns say caused by a fire for example) which might cast doubt as to a natural death (ie. old age which would be expected at the age of 92). The death would be investigated as to whether it was an unnatural death - ie. accidental, homicide, suicide. Of course, bruises or broken bones could be the sign of some forms of cancer or other diseases.... Mary Anne Original Message: ----------------- From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:03:12 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Need Advice - Mystery I received a list of internments from a grave in Calvary Cemetery. I found a woman buried in that grave, same surname, buried in 2002 at age 92. Here's where the mystery comes in: She died on April 1st but was buried on April 13th. I called the Funeral Home that handled the funeral and they tell me that the Public Administrator's office handled the burial. That the reason for the delay was that the body was sent to the Medical Examiner's office first. So...why would a 92 year old woman have to be handled by the ME's office and what am I going to find if I call the Public Administrator's Office? Any advice? Liz ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please visit the list websites: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com They are works in progress. Thank you for your patience! ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

It would seem to be that she was found dead( may have been living alone) For the PA to be involved, it would likely be that she did not have any immediate relatives to tend to her burial. The PA would then try to find relatives. They probably found a will or some document relating to this grave & when no one claimed her, they had her buried in this grave. She may have an estate or she may have died a pauper. Either way the PA tries to give everyone a decent burial. Peggy G.

Perhaps she died in a nursing home and they performed an autopsy, or investigation. Perhaps she died out of state, at say her son's house. Barb

I received a list of internments from a grave in Calvary Cemetery. I found a woman buried in that grave, same surname, buried in 2002 at age 92. Here's where the mystery comes in: She died on April 1st but was buried on April 13th. I called the Funeral Home that handled the funeral and they tell me that the Public Administrator's office handled the burial. That the reason for the delay was that the body was sent to the Medical Examiner's office first. So...why would a 92 year old woman have to be handled by the ME's office and what am I going to find if I call the Public Administrator's Office? Any advice? Liz

Can someone look this address up in a city directory of that time period? My great grandfather, Patrick Higgins gave that address for his Emigrant Savings Bank account. I'd like to know if there were others of the same surname living at or near to the address as well as any information given for him - if any. Also, someone just did a search on 39th and 9th ave. Could they look up the 57 Washington St address to see what that address was at that time? Pat

Claire: I did a search on 39th and 9th avenue and foudn only the building information for buildings built during the late 1890's to present. The area in 1840's to about 1870's were private homes and farms. If your relative listed that corner as an address, he may have been an employee or laborer of the landowners. Sometimes, there were organizations that represented immigrants. However, that area during that timeframe would not have had that. Lucy

Clare, This might help you (keyword here is might); page 216-17 Acct. # 2151 Date 31-May-52 Name McGee, Patrick Rel 1 Corcoran, Nelly (m) Occupation Waiter Address National Hotel Nativity Roscommon Ship/Date Francis Apr 05, 1851 (my note; see date difference in remarks) Remarks Nat of Boyle, Co Roscommon, Ire - Arr NY Apr 06 1851 per ship Francis fr LP - Fa liv in Ire Peter, Mo dead Nelly Corcoran, 1 Bro in Ire Joseph, 1 Sis in Ire Mary - Aged 16 yrs Dec 25, 1851 written here as written in the book, "Irish Immigrants of the Emigrant Industrial Savings Bank" from Vol I 1850-1853: by Kevin J. Rich Note: the bank first opened its doors on September 30, 1850 Good luck in your search, Ro Clare Whitney <[email protected]> wrote: Are people on the list still doing lookups? If so, I would appreciate a lookup for Peter Magee or McGee who was in New York City in 1847 and had a contact address at 39th & 9th. Thank you very much. Clare Whitney ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please visit the list websites: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com They are works in progress. Thank you for your patience! ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi, A good site for passenger ship lists for New York is the National Archives and Records Administration site (NARA). If you go directly to their search engine located here: (http://www.archives.gov/aad/), you can find the passenger lists, beginning in 1846 I believe, by (I found it a bit tricky finding the lists); 1) pressing the AAD search button and then, in the Subject line, scroll to Passenger Lists and submit. 2) click on, Records for passengers who arrived at the Port of New York during the Famine Years. 3) press the Select button next to Famine Irish Passenger Record Data file. That should get you to the actual search page. You can just type in a person's surname and it will give you a list of people with many columns of info. Some of the info in the columns are code numbers, which are very useful if you do further searches with them. Such as; in the Manifest Identification Number column, there will be a code number of the ship the person you were searching for arrived on. If you go back to the search page and only enter that number next to the Manifest Identification Number line (everything else blank) and submit it, it will give you all the people that came over on that ship. There's a lot to discover on this site if you play around with the code numbers, etc. Clare Whitney

Hi, Does anyone know what might have been located at 39th and 9th back in 1847. If you've read my Emigrant Savings Bank postings, I have info that a Peter Magee/McGee left that as a contact address. I assume there would be four corners to 39th and 9th and therefore four establishments, either homes, boarding houses or businesses. Does anyone know how I might find out? Secondly, I've read that this area was known as Hell's Kitchen and that it was a pretty rough neighbourhood. A lot of the incidences of violence mentioned in my readings seem to have happened closer to the 1880's. Was it also that rough back in 1847? Thanks, Clare Whitney

Thanks for that info, Mary Anne. Clare Whitney ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Anne Smith To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: RE: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank Hi Clare: Re: Emigrant Savings Bank Not all entries have all that information. I was fortunate enough to find my great-grandfather. It said that he arrived in 1864 and there was more information on him. It gave his age, ship that he sailed on, and place of birth which was Tipperary but didn't say county or town of. It gave no information on who came with him or his parents' names or the name of a spouse. His brother Joseph, who came in the 1870s - I could not find anything on - and I looked through 3+ rolls of microfilm. Some of the record books were lost, so info only goes up to accounts in the 60000s if I remember. That would mean people after say the early 1870s or so would not have a record. They are worth looking at - some libraries have them available on mircofilm (no index) and ancestry.com does have them indexed. But you have to have the immigration package to see them. Ancestry paid a fee to get them (the Immigrant Savings Bank still exists) and they are still the property of the bank. That is why they aren't on-line anymore for free. Mary Anne "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow." --Mark Twain

Hi Clare: Re: Emigrant Savings Bank Not all entries have all that information. I was fortunate enough to find my great-grandfather. It said that he arrived in 1864 and there was more information on him. It gave his age, ship that he sailed on, and place of birth which was Tipperary but didn't say county or town of. It gave no information on who came with him or his parents' names or the name of a spouse. His brother Joseph, who came in the 1870s - I could not find anything on - and I looked through 3+ rolls of microfilm. Some of the record books were lost, so info only goes up to accounts in the 60000s if I remember. That would mean people after say the early 1870s or so would not have a record. They are worth looking at - some libraries have them available on mircofilm (no index) and ancestry.com does have them indexed. But you have to have the immigration package to see them. Ancestry paid a fee to get them (the Immigrant Savings Bank still exists) and they are still the property of the bank. That is why they aren't on-line anymore for free. Mary Anne "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow." --Mark Twain -----Original Message----- From: Clare Whitney [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank Hi Barb, Unfortunately I don't know if any of those Peter Magee/McGees are mine. I noticed that the Emigrant Savings Bank took down information such as the account holder's county of origin and ship and year that they arrived, etc. My gggrandfather, Henry McGee, posted two ads in the Boston Pilot searching for his 7yr.old daughter, Anne, who was supposed to have arrived with another family. He listed Peter Magee, whose address was 39th & 9th, as the contact person. Peter Magee was marked down as being an uncle to Anne and would therefore be Henry's brother and the info in Peter Magee/McGee's Emigrant Savings Bank account would then become very useful to me. Thanks very much for the directory listings though. Clare Whitney ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank > Hi Clare, > Are any of these yours? > Do you have any idea what his profession was there will be plenty of > Peters > on Emigrant? > Barb > > The Brooklyn, New York City Directory for 1859-1860. Brooklyn: J. Lain & > Co., > 1859. > Magee Peter, laborer, h. r. E. Warren n. Neviun > Trow's New York, New York City Directory for 1864. New York: John F. Trow, > 1864. > Magee Bridget, wid. Peter, h W. 54th n Tenth av. > The Brooklyn, New York City Directory for 1859-1860. Brooklyn: J. Lain & > Co., > 1859. > McGee Peter, paver, h. Vanderbilt av. n. Flushing > Trow's New York, New York City Directory for 1859-60. Compiled by H. > Wilson. > New York: John F. Trow, 1859. > McGee Peter, laborer, h 5 Congress, pl. > Trow's New York, New York City Directory for 1859-60. Compiled by H. > Wilson. > New York: John F. Trow, 1859. > > [email protected] writes: >> Are people on the list still doing lookups? If so, I would appreciate a >> lookup for Peter Magee or McGee who was in New York City in 1847 and had >> a >> contact address at 39th & 9th. Thank you very much. >> >> Clare Whitney > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep > yourself from bouncing off. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you will be unsubbed. If you are flamed, please contact the list admin privately. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx