That was so well said Ro! I personally would like to thank the people who selflessly perform lookups on this list. You provide an invaluable service to all of us, and I can't thank you enough. You guys are awesome! I also couldn't agree more that the smallest bit of information can open doors in your research. Sometimes something as seemingly insignificant as what a relative said in passing, can help tumble that brick wall. Or add meat to the bones of your research. I actually began to bring down my own Cassidy brick wall because of something a relative once said that the family never believed. It took me 15 years of genealogy research before I even thought to pursue that avenue, and wouldn't you know, that was the right road to go down! I also love reading everyone's family stories. Please don't feel shy on this list or intimidated. We're a cyber family and a pretty nice list. The Irish are pretty decent people! (So are New Yorkers!) Remember, the only stupid question is the one you never bother to ask. Even if the question has been asked 15 times - if you don't know the answer, ask! We're always happy to help if we can! Ok, I'm off my soapbox! LOL Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com

Message forwarded from [email protected] Hi Don't have access to passenger lists for 1844. But, did look for Cappy in US census records. Ancestry.com's index for 1850 census did not show a John Cappy. Then, I looked for those born in Ireland. One family surfaced and they were in Lockport, in upstate NY: Thomas 44, Mary 36, Catherine 17, Mary 14 - all born in Ireland, and Michael 1 and Winifred 3 - both born in NY state. This family did not appear in the 1860 census index. Since Lockport is close the to border with Canada they may have crossed over. Then, I checked the Heritage Quest index for 1860. [HQ does not have the 1850 census online.] Again, no Thomas Cappy family to be found in the US index. However, there was a John Cappy family living in NY City: John 30 and Catherine 28, both b. in Ireland, Patrick 12 b. in Scotland, then James 9, Mary A 8, Margrit 6, and Thomas 1 - all born in NY. FYI, NY City in this case refers to Manhattan Island. This Cappy family was in Ward 22, District 1 for New York County [aka Manhattan]. Best of good luck! Pat Wood Fircrest, WA USA **** All outgoing mail scanned by Norton Anti-virus ****

Marge I see that you are looking for a "McAleer". My mother's family were McAleer and came from Belfast but originally they were from the Tyrone area and came to Belfast probably via Monaghan. There was some emigration to the US in the mid to late 1800s. Do you have any other McAleers who came to the US? Regards Terry Howe > -----Original Message----- > From: Marge [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 22 May 2005 19:42 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] McAleer/Maguire > > Hi List, > > I am searching for the ships that my gr. grandparents came on. > > George Maguire arrived 1860 > b. Mar. 1855 > (McGuire) > > Ann McAleer arrived 1865 > b. Apr. 1857 > > Thanking you in advance for your help. > > Marge > N.J. > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list websites: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > http://www.inyc.freeservers.com > They are works in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi Terry, Odd you mention Monaghan. On a corrected birth record from 1952, it states George Maguire is from Monaghan, Ire. This was a birth record of one of his sons. But story has it both the Maguire and McAleer families came from County of Monaghan. George Maguire was born March 1855 Ann McAleer was born April 1857 George arrived in the US 1860 Ann arrived in the US 1865 I don't know where they came in but I have their marriage record of 1874, Hoboken, NJ. I cannot seem to find either one before this marriage date. I know both should be in the 1870 Census I think Ann parents were John and Ann McAleer. They lived and died in Hoboken, NJ. My grandmother Annie was their daughter. I wish I could get more information on their lives in Ireland. Did you ever get help in County of Monaghan. Thanks for writing. Marge

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Ro, Well said! Maureen On 5/23/05, Rose Mary A. (McGrath) Neal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > My Dearest Listers; > > I along with many others love sharing what we have with all of > you...books, records from sites we pay for, referring you to those we know > with more knowledge than we and just general experience(s) knowledge. For I > know that I too will always have a request or question for you all out there > one day. I truly believe the adage, '... what you give will come back three > fold... ' . Genealogy has helped me to care more about others (just the > brick walls can cause us all to ask, "why do I do this to myself on a daily > basis?" My answer is because I need to know), I've learned to like history > just because I need to know how my ancestors fit into it and where, to care > about cemeteries and the ancestors they hold for me to discover one day and > I truly have learned there ARE NEVER ANY STUPID QUESTIONS ASKED by any > person. Don't let the 'know-it-alls intimidated you either...for they at > some point do not can not know-it-all. When I respond to a request or > comment on a list you are not jus! > t getting > a comment from me (or any other person that responds), you are really > learning something about me (them). The gentlemen (Mr. Kane I believe) that > responded back to MJ's help for his research question hit the > nail-on-the-head. Researching for you helps me more often than not as well. > I have found new sites or resources by helping others for my own research. > > There is nothing more frustrating to me than to read an email...stop what > I am doing because I think I can help someone...answer to the best of my > knowledge/ability and get one of the responses in the paragraph below. > > So, please and thank you and that information was helpful or not is always > so nice to hear as a response. NOT the oh geez I forgot to mentions (i.e.: > they lived in another state by then, the I already knew thats and other such > elaborations to the original request.) Tell me ALL you know...I am nosy by > nature and just love solving a mystery. Don't get angry at me because I > can't find exactly what you want. It amazes me all the time how a small clue > can turn into a very important piece of information at some point when you > least expect it too. > > Happy hunting and > > Thanks for reading 'my 2 cents', > > Ro > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep > yourself from bouncing off. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To post a message to the Irish-New-York-City list, please send your email > to: > [email protected] > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

556 61st St. was considered Bay Ridge in the 30s. In the 1960s it became called Sunset Park, although some old-timers still call it Bay Ridge. It's between 5th Avenue and 6th Avenue. I lived on the 400 block of 59th from 1981 until 1991 and still go back there sometimes. It's Our Lady of Perpetual Help Parish. Elizabeth Shannon -----Original Message----- From: Rose Mary A. (McGrath) Neal <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: Red Hook Hi Tracey, Can you or perhaps Vince answer a question for me regarding the areas of Brooklyn please. In the 1930 census two of my grandmothers sisters Irene J. (Carstens) Kane (Patrick L.) and Loretta G. (Carstens) Gearity (in census but, spelled Gerrity) (Edward L.), as well as their children were living at 556 61st Street. Family stories say the sisters and husbands bought the brownstone and one family lived upstairs while the other lived downstairs. My question is what area of Brooklyn would this address be considered to be in? Thanks, Ro [email protected] wrote: Hi Vince, Thanks for letting us know. It's good to see Red Hook start to come back! I only wish my father had lived to see it. I've been keeping an eye on the brownstones that are coming up for sale in the area. If 65 Dwight Street comes on the market, it's mine! Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com In a message dated May 10, 2005, [email protected] wrote: >>The City of New York is having a huge pier build to accommodate the QE2, Queen Mary and four Carnival ships. Red Hook is returning to it's upscale glamour it had in the 1920's. Vince<< ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Elizabeth, Thank you so much. You have helped me to also know the area where my dad and his first wife were married and why it was Our Lady of Perpetual Help Parish where they married . This tid-bit you shared is now also a starting point to look for marriages etc. for my dads cousins and his first two daughters. St. James Church in Manahattan is not the only RC church in the greater New York area ; o ) Again thank you for sharing your knowledge, Ro [email protected] wrote: 556 61st St. was considered Bay Ridge in the 30s. In the 1960s it became called Sunset Park, although some old-timers still call it Bay Ridge. It's between 5th Avenue and 6th Avenue. I lived on the 400 block of 59th from 1981 until 1991 and still go back there sometimes. It's Our Lady of Perpetual Help Parish. Elizabeth Shannon -----Original Message----- From: Rose Mary A. (McGrath) Neal To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: Red Hook Hi Tracey, Can you or perhaps Vince answer a question for me regarding the areas of Brooklyn please. In the 1930 census two of my grandmothers sisters Irene J. (Carstens) Kane (Patrick L.) and Loretta G. (Carstens) Gearity (in census but, spelled Gerrity) (Edward L.), as well as their children were living at 556 61st Street. Family stories say the sisters and husbands bought the brownstone and one family lived upstairs while the other lived downstairs. My question is what area of Brooklyn would this address be considered to be in? Thanks, Ro [email protected] wrote: Hi Vince, Thanks for letting us know. It's good to see Red Hook start to come back! I only wish my father had lived to see it. I've been keeping an eye on the brownstones that are coming up for sale in the area. If 65 Dwight Street comes on the market, it's mine! Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com In a message dated May 10, 2005, [email protected] wrote: >>The City of New York is having a huge pier build to accommodate the QE2, Queen Mary and four Carnival ships. Red Hook is returning to it's upscale glamour it had in the 1920's. Vince<< ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

My Dearest Listers; I along with many others love sharing what we have with all of you...books, records from sites we pay for, referring you to those we know with more knowledge than we and just general experience(s) knowledge. For I know that I too will always have a request or question for you all out there one day. I truly believe the adage, '... what you give will come back three fold... ' . Genealogy has helped me to care more about others (just the brick walls can cause us all to ask, "why do I do this to myself on a daily basis?" My answer is because I need to know), I've learned to like history just because I need to know how my ancestors fit into it and where, to care about cemeteries and the ancestors they hold for me to discover one day and I truly have learned there ARE NEVER ANY STUPID QUESTIONS ASKED by any person. Don't let the 'know-it-alls intimidated you either...for they at some point do not can not know-it-all. When I respond to a request or comment on a list you are not jus! t getting a comment from me (or any other person that responds), you are really learning something about me (them). The gentlemen (Mr. Kane I believe) that responded back to MJ's help for his research question hit the nail-on-the-head. Researching for you helps me more often than not as well. I have found new sites or resources by helping others for my own research. There is nothing more frustrating to me than to read an email...stop what I am doing because I think I can help someone...answer to the best of my knowledge/ability and get one of the responses in the paragraph below. So, please and thank you and that information was helpful or not is always so nice to hear as a response. NOT the oh geez I forgot to mentions (i.e.: they lived in another state by then, the I already knew thats and other such elaborations to the original request.) Tell me ALL you know...I am nosy by nature and just love solving a mystery. Don't get angry at me because I can't find exactly what you want. It amazes me all the time how a small clue can turn into a very important piece of information at some point when you least expect it too. Happy hunting and Thanks for reading 'my 2 cents', Ro ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Hi Maureen, Thank you for checking the records for me. I thoroughly appreciate your efforts and the immediate response that you gave to me. You are of great assistance to your fellow researchers and have the true spirit of sharing in your heart. Thank you, Tom Crane ----- Original Message ----- From: MJ Mann To: Thomas Crane Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank Thomas, I checked. I found no Patrick Crehan/Crean/Crane. and no Denis/Dennis Cuddihy/Cuddy. Sorry, Maureen On 5/22/05, Thomas Crane <[email protected]> wrote: I would be pleased if someone would check the records of the Emigrant Savings Bank Of New York for the following names: Patrick Crehan or Crean or even Crane during the years 1870 to 1880. Also for Denis or Dennis Cuddihy or Cuddy during the same time frame and that is 1870 to 1880. If it helps, Patrick was a miner from Tipperary, Ireland and Denis was Blacksmith also from Tipperary, Ireland. Thank you, Tom Crane ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Hi Tracey, Can you or perhaps Vince answer a question for me regarding the areas of Brooklyn please. In the 1930 census two of my grandmothers sisters Irene J. (Carstens) Kane (Patrick L.) and Loretta G. (Carstens) Gearity (in census but, spelled Gerrity) (Edward L.), as well as their children were living at 556 61st Street. Family stories say the sisters and husbands bought the brownstone and one family lived upstairs while the other lived downstairs. My question is what area of Brooklyn would this address be considered to be in? Thanks, Ro [email protected] wrote: Hi Vince, Thanks for letting us know. It's good to see Red Hook start to come back! I only wish my father had lived to see it. I've been keeping an eye on the brownstones that are coming up for sale in the area. If 65 Dwight Street comes on the market, it's mine! Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com In a message dated May 10, 2005, [email protected] wrote: >>The City of New York is having a huge pier build to accommodate the QE2, Queen Mary and four Carnival ships. Red Hook is returning to it's upscale glamour it had in the 1920's. Vince<< ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I would be pleased if someone would check the records of the Emigrant Savings Bank Of New York for the following names: Patrick Crehan or Crean or even Crane during the years 1870 to 1880. Also for Denis or Dennis Cuddihy or Cuddy during the same time frame and that is 1870 to 1880. If it helps, Patrick was a miner from Tipperary, Ireland and Denis was Blacksmith also from Tipperary, Ireland. Thank you, Tom Crane

My forebears lived (according to the 1870 NY census) in the 11th District, 6th Ward, - (page 50) and I think the area is bounded by Spruce St, Gold St, Liberty St, Broadway and Park Row. Even though my great grandfather called this "Brooklyn" I understand it is really Lower Manhattan. Is this right?? Bridget (b Ireland 1800) and Thomas (b Ireland 1810) FLYNN and at least one child, Patrick (b Roscommon Ireland 1843), emigrated from Roscommon to NY between 1844 and 1870. Patrick (b 1843) fought in the Civil War and then married Margaret Croke (Croak??) in 1872 at St James Church, Pearl Street, Brooklyn, LI (I have a copy of their marriage certificate). Their first child, Thomas, was born in Brooklyn, NY in the first part of 1876. They sailed for Sydney, Australia on the Ivanhoe on 3 June 1876. Where should I look for shipping lists from Ireland to NY (1843-1870) and where to go for a reference for a birth certificate for Thomas Flynn born in 1876? I would be grateful for any suggestions, Susan Hunter Gandy Blue Mountains, west of Sydney NSW, Australia

Hi List, I am searching for the ships that my gr. grandparents came on. George Maguire arrived 1860 b. Mar. 1855 (McGuire) Ann McAleer arrived 1865 b. Apr. 1857 Thanking you in advance for your help. Marge N.J.

Database: New York, 1820-1850 Passenger and Immigration Lists Name: John Cappy Arrival Date: Jul 17, 1844 Age: 25 Gender: M Port of Arrival: New York Port of Departure: Liverpool Place of Origin: Great Britain Ship: Liberty Family Identification: 30151337 Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Microfilm Roll Number: 55 Source Information: Ancestry.com <http://Ancestry.com>. New York, 1820-1850 Passenger and Immigration Lists [database online]. Provo, Utah: MyFamily.com<http://MyFamily.com>, Inc., 2003. Original data: New York. Registers of Vessels Arriving at the Port of New York from Foreign Ports, 1789-1919. Micropublication M237, rolls # 1-95. National Archives, Washington, D.C. On 5/22/05, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Message forwarded from [email protected] > > Hi List Members > > Does anyone have access to the books listing arrivals of immigrants to the > Port of New York 1844. > > I am looking for a John Cappy aged 25 who arrived in New York in the year > 1844. He is a brother to my GG Patrick Cappy (Ireland) and I am hoping to > find out some more personal information and the name of the ship. Then I > hope to get a copy of the manifest. > > Many thanks > Patricia Smith (in Australia) > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >

Message forwarded from [email protected] Hi List Members Does anyone have access to the books listing arrivals of immigrants to the Port of New York 1844. I am looking for a John Cappy aged 25 who arrived in New York in the year 1844. He is a brother to my GG Patrick Cappy (Ireland) and I am hoping to find out some more personal information and the name of the ship. Then I hope to get a copy of the manifest. Many thanks Patricia Smith (in Australia)

Hi Vince, Thanks for letting us know. It's good to see Red Hook start to come back! I only wish my father had lived to see it. I've been keeping an eye on the brownstones that are coming up for sale in the area. If 65 Dwight Street comes on the market, it's mine! Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com In a message dated May 10, 2005, [email protected] wrote: >>The City of New York is having a huge pier build to accommodate the QE2, Queen Mary and four Carnival ships. Red Hook is returning to it's upscale glamour it had in the 1920's. Vince<<

Message forwarded from [email protected] Frank, could you possibly check with the Emigrant Savings Bank on a Walter Wallace married to Anne Meehan born Ireland and arrived in New York about the same time frame as the Mc Dowells........who knows, maybe even came over on the same ship and then lived in the same neighborhood here? Their story is so parallel I just have to ask, please......... Genie > Message forwarded from [email protected] > > Hi Barbara, > > Looks like...Robert McDowell lived on 10th St between 2nd & 3rd Ave. > Was a: Porter > Born: 1812 > From: Longford (clombroney ?) was probably the town > Married to: Eliz. Burnie (?) > Arrived: 1841 per (almost looks like "Artmaker") > > Also on the account was: > > Charles McDowell (probably his brother) > Lives in South Brooklyn > Laborer > Born 1816 > County Longford > Arrived 1861 (67) per North America > Married to Catherine Soden > > > That's as good as I can do... > > Frank

Message forwarded from [email protected] Sheila; New York City Grooms Index This database contains the indexes to over 1,825,000 marriages recorded by the New York City Health department for the 5 Boroughs of New York City, from 1908 to 1936, and the period 1895 to 1897 for the boroughs of Brooklyn and Manhattan. The marriage is listed only by the name of the groom. Unique to Kings County (Brooklyn), both the bride’s and groom’s names appear as separate entries in the index books from 1895 to 1897. http://www.italiangen.org/NYCMarriage.stm I have posted this before on this site, but I have used it and been able to send for marriage certificates for my grandparents, 10/31/21m and for an aunt, 03/24/21. Both these families were RC from Ireland. I found that my GP were married at Church of Good Shephard, Broadway and 20th, Manhattan. NY. The site lists the grooms name and the date, location and certificate number and has a link to request the certificate, I my case the certificate listed their individual addresses, places of birth, parents names, location of marriage filled in by priest, witnesses and on page 2 signatures of bride, groom and witnesses, my grandmother's sister and her husband. I am so fortunate to have a picture from that day! This Italian site has been a great resource for me. Good luck; AnneMarie

Hi Genie, I checked the ESB for Walter Wallace (none at all) & Anne Wallace. There were a couple Annes but none that were married to Walter. Frank > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 11:32:01 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Fwd: Re: Emigrant Savings Bank > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 09:32:07 -0600 > > Message forwarded from [email protected] > > Frank, could you possibly check with the Emigrant Savings Bank on a Walter > Wallace married to Anne Meehan born Ireland and arrived in New York about > the same time frame as the Mc Dowells........who knows, maybe even came over > on the same ship and then lived in the same neighborhood here? Their story > is so parallel I just have to ask, please......... > Genie > >> Message forwarded from [email protected] >> >> Hi Barbara, >> >> Looks like...Robert McDowell lived on 10th St between 2nd & 3rd Ave. >> Was a: Porter >> Born: 1812 >> From: Longford (clombroney ?) was probably the town >> Married to: Eliz. Burnie (?) >> Arrived: 1841 per (almost looks like "Artmaker") >> >> Also on the account was: >> >> Charles McDowell (probably his brother) >> Lives in South Brooklyn >> Laborer >> Born 1816 >> County Longford >> Arrived 1861 (67) per North America >> Married to Catherine Soden >> >> >> That's as good as I can do... >> >> Frank > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list websites: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > http://www.inyc.freeservers.com > They are works in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >