Vince, You must be REALLY OLD! >>>>St. Vincent's Home data can be found on a Google search. >>>> I lived in Brooklyn (born in Red Hook) from 1823 to 1886. ;) Thank you for all the wonderful info! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

In a message dated 6/2/2005, [email protected] writes: I never heard anyone mention White Hook, but I did hear that Bay Ridge was once known as Yellow Hook and the name was changed after the outbreak of yellow fever, don't know if it is a true story or not but it sounds good. Hi Bob, That was probably the area my father was referring to and I just remembered the wrong 'color'. The more I think about it, the more I think it must have been Bay Ridge since he said it was alittle further to the south. (From Red Hook.) It's an interesting story! I had never heard of any other Hook besides Red Hook. Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com

Thanks for the reminder. Question: I have found an address for a relative on 26th Street between 1st and 2nd Avenues. Do you know anything about that area at that time? I believe it is fairly near a major Hospital (Bellevue?) and that his brother was a physician there. Thank you. L. D. Collins On Jun 2, 2005, at 11:23 PM, Vincent Walsh wrote: > Do you want to visit a furnished tenement apartment in which your > ancestors lived? These apartments were occupied by different families > in the 1870s, 1916 and in the 1930s. > > Contact: Lower East Side Tenement Museum > 90 Orchard Street > New York, NY 10002 > > 212 431 0233 > > www.tenement.org > > Vince > > P.S. Be sure to see the gas meter in which our ancestors deposited a > quarter to keep the gas flowing! > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep > yourself from bouncing off. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Do you want to visit a furnished tenement apartment in which your ancestors lived? These apartments were occupied by different families in the 1870s, 1916 and in the 1930s. Contact: Lower East Side Tenement Museum 90 Orchard Street New York, NY 10002 212 431 0233 www.tenement.org Vince P.S. Be sure to see the gas meter in which our ancestors deposited a quarter to keep the gas flowing!

Kathleen, St. Vincent's Home data can be found on a Google search. I lived in Brooklyn (born in Red Hook) from 1823 to 1886. All the policemen on NYPD were "Irish" ncluding my uncle, Thomas Francis Walsh. I suggest you obtain a map of Brooklyn (address below). The NY State location is Bolton Landing on Lake George ( spent many summers there with my wife and children). 89th Street is in the Bay Ridge Section of Brooklyn. Fort Hamilton Avenue is now Fort Hamilton Parkway. Vince Hagstrom Map Company, Inc. 46-35 54th Road Maspeth, NY 11378 718 784 0055 To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] O'Donnell , Creen, Kerner, Miner, Harriagan > Greetings, > > In case I haven't introduced myself as I joined a couple new list due to encouagement and help my name is Kathleen O'Donnell Grone and I live in the beautiful Black Hills of SD. I am trying to learn a LOT more about my family-- Thank you in advance for any help and if I can be of assistance, please ask. > > My father was raised in St. Vincent's orphanage, along with two of his brothers. My Dad entered the orphanage at the age of 7 when his mother died. His father was a NY policeman at the time and felt he couldn't handle 6 children. The girls and youngest son went to live with family and/or friends. He left the orpanage when he was 16, entering the Air Force. His name is Edwin Allen "Allen" O'Donnell. His brothers Eugene and Kenny also lived at St. Vincents. Kenny spent much of his time in the hospital. In the service my Dad got the nickname "OD". He was in the AF for 20 years, then taught college for 25 years. > > I want to learn more about the orphanage, how my father grew up, see if there were census records, other records on my Dad. My Dad was born in 1931 in Brooklyn. > > One of the things my Dad loved was the movies- ""I must admit that when I was a boy, and a young man, I was a true movie "buff"... every weekend when I had a few nickels and the time, > I was in the local movie house! It was called the Boro Hall Theater; in the Borough Hall section of Brooklyn, New York. And my heroes ---- Jimmy Cagney, Bette Davis, > Spencer Tracy, Lana Turner, and on and on and on. The great movies > were the one's that had Cagney as the good guy, and Bogart as the bad guy!" Do any of you know where I could find a picture of the theatre?? I am not sure I spelled it right. > > My grandfather Lester A. O'D was born in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, but I don't know which street. Sometime after he retired from the NYPD he moved to Yonkers. He also worked for Lake George Camping Company, Dolton Landing. Do you know where that is? I know he had a home in the Catskills as well, more of a cabin with no running water or electricity. > > I know my great grandfather, James J. was born on Presidents Street. Do you know which part of Brooklyn that is in? His first wife Mary Harriagan (my great grandmother died on "216 Hoyt Street, a tenement in Brooklyn") as a very young woman as well, four days after childbirth. James died on his way home from work. He and his second wife Charlotte lived at - 265 89th Street in Brooklyn. Charlotte was Isabell's mother. > > Mother and daughter married Father and son- This confused me for years when I was young. It was James and Charlotte second marriages. > > For a short while Lester and Isabell lived in Queens, as this is where my Dad's mother died, on Colfax Street. > > My great grand grandparents Michael and Mary Dineen O'Donnell lived on Whitehall Street according to his naturalization papers. I am told Whitehall is in Brooklyn?? > > I do have some pictures of the family if any on the list might be related or interested. According to family lore Michael and Mary came with family- brothers and sisters. Mary had 7 children and two lived. Some family said that some of the children died on the way over. This is confirmed by a census and I must admit it really surprised me to find it. > _______________________________________ > > The 1900 census, Brooklyn, Ward 29, Ft Hamilton Ave in NY has the following > entry: > Eli A. Kellem, 29 yrs old, born Sept 1870 in NJ, Father born in NJ, mother > born in SC, occupation-pipe fitter > Alice F., wife, 28 yrs old, born Dec 1871 in NY, father born in Ireland, > mother born in Ireland, married for 8 yrs, had 8 children with 3 living > Alice F., daughter, age 6, born Oct 1893 in NY > Albert J., son, age 3, born Nov 1896 in NY > Ethel M., daughter, age 1, born Oct 1898 > Mary E. O'Donnell, mother-in-law, age 58, born April 1842 in Ireland, father > born in Ireland, mother born in Ireland, widow, had 7 children with 2 living; > to the United States in 1863, in this county for 37 years. (These dates tie in perfectly with the ships records!) > > Irish to America, 1846-1865 (Thank you to Lindel!) > O'Donnell, Michael Age : 25 > O'Donnell, Mary Age : 23 > Country of Origin : Ireland > Date of Arrival : May 20, 1863 > Final Destination : USA > Port of Debarkation : New York > Ship's Name : Bridgewater > Manifest ID Number : 901923 > Port of Embarkation : Liverpool > Purpose for Travel : Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA > Mode of Travel : Steerage > > Descendants of Michael O'Donnell > > 1 Michael O'DONNELL b: Abt. 1837 in Inishkeel Parish, County Donegal, Ireland d: in New York > .. +Mary E. DINEEN b: April 1842 in Limerick, Ireland d: Aft. 1910 in New York m: in Donegal, Ireland -- (I am not sure if she was born in Limerick. There are a few Dineens near where Michael lived. ) > ... 2 Alice Faye O'DONNELL b: December 1871 in County Donegal, Ireland d: in New York (Her father-in-law signed Michael O'D's naturalization papers). > ....... +Eli A. KILLEM b: 1870 > ......... 3 Alice KELLEM > ......... 3 Albert KELLEM > ......... 3 Ethel KELLEM > ... 2 James J. O'DONNELL b: July 17, 1880 in President Street, New York City, New York d: December 8, 1931 in Brooklyn, New York > ....... +Mary HARRIGAN b: 1881 in Brooklyn, New York d: January 28, 1914 in Brooklyn, New York m: Abt. 1900 in New York (Father John, they lived near the O'D's). > ......... 3 Edwin O'DONNELL b: 1905 in New York d: in New York > ............. +LOUISE > ......... 3 Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL b: August 30, 1908 in Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York d: March 2, 1992 in Yonkers, New York > ............. +Isabell M. CREEN b: October 5, 1905 in Brooklyn, New York d: October 1, 1938 in Queens County, New York m: 1923 in Brooklyn, New York > ......... *2nd Wife of Lester Aloyisius O'Donnell: > ............. +Dorothy Mary SCHULTZ b: May 3, 1918 in New York City, New York m: March 18, 1940 in New York City, New York > ......... 3 James George O'DONNELL b: February 8, 1909 in Brooklyn, New York d: in New York > ............. +Isabelle CARBERRY b: November 25, 1907 in Helensburgh, Scotland d: February 1989 in Brooklyn, New York > ......... 3 Leroy O'DONNELL b: January 23, 1914 in New York d: Aft. 1984 in New York > ... *2nd Wife of James J. O'Donnell: > ....... +Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York m: 1923 in New York > ......... 3 Charlotte Louise O'DONNELL b: January 20, 1927 > ............. +VASSALLO > ......... 3 Albert O'DONNELL b: 1929 > ......... 3 John "Jack" O'DONNELL b: 1931 > > Descendants of Rufus Joseph Creen-- I would also like to find out anything about the extremely elusive Rufus-- on some census it is spelled Ruffus. Rufus' father was John Creen and his mother Annie Miner. The lived in Manhatten in 1904 census. Rufus was married to Charlotte at the time. Rufus was known as a "philanthropist, a real rogue" and Charlotte dispite her Catholic faith divorced him. He sometimes went by Joseph instead of Rufus. I hope to find where in Ireland he came from. > > 1 Rufus Joseph CREEN b: Abt. 1880 in New York City, New York d: Abt. 1940 in New York > .. +Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York m: October 26, 1904 in New York > ... 2 Jessica CREEN b: 1911 > ... 2 Joseph CREEN > ... 2 Isabell M. CREEN b: October 5, 1905 in Brooklyn, New York d: October 1, 1938 in Catskills, New York > ....... +Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL b: August 30, 1908 in Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York d: March 2, 1992 in Yonkers, New York m: 1923 in Brooklyn, New York > ... 2 Rufus Joseph CREEN, Jr. b: December 15, 1908 in New York d: January 1985 in Riverhead, New York > ....... +Eleanor A. m: October 2, 1910 > > Descendants of Frederick Kerner > > 1 Frederick KERNER b: 1822 in Germany > .. +SOPHIE b: 1823 in Germany > ... 2 Johan KERNER b: 1854 > ... 2 Friedrick KERNER b: 1856 > ... 2 Paul KERNER b: 1858 > ... 2 Emilie KERNER b: 1860 > ... 2 Philipp KERNER b: June 15, 1861 in Germany d: in New York > ....... +Jennie JAMES b: November 8, 1861 in Glascow, Scotland d: Aft. 1940 in New York m: 1880 in Frankfurt, Germany or NY > ......... 3 May KERNER > ......... 3 Jessica May KERNER > ............. +John J. ROLSTON > ......... 3 Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York > ............. +Rufus Joseph CREEN b: Abt. 1880 in New York City, New York (no proof of this- some think he was born in Ireland) d: Abt. 1940 in New York m: October 26, 1904 in New York > ......... *2nd Husband of Charlotte "Lottie" Kerner: > ............. +James J. O'DONNELL b: July 17, 1880 in President Street, New York City, New York d: December 8, 1931 in Brooklyn, New York m: 1923 in New York > ... 2 Alois KERNER b: 1866 > ... 2 Barbara KERNER b: 1871 > ... 2 Anna KERNER b: 1874 > > I know the Kerners owned a bakery and a pub. Not sure where though. A distant cousin said he recalls a picture of the pub. > > Thank you for your help. Kathleen Grone > > > > > For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. 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Hi, Our Lady of Perpetual Help School is located on 5th Ave. between 59 and 60 St. in Bay Ridge Brooklyn. Holy Cross Cemetery is located at 3620 Tilden Ave. Flatbush, Brooklyn. 11203 718 284-4520. St. John's Cemetery is located at 8001 Metropolitan Ave. Middle Village, New York 718-284-4888. Rita

I am wondering where the following cemetaries and school are located. Is St. John's Cemetary? My gt grandfather James J. and great grandmother Charlotte Kerner Creen O'Donnell are buried there. My grandmother Isabell Kerner is buried in Holy Cross Cemetary. She graduated from High School at Our Lady of Perpetual Health parochial school in Flatbush, (Brooklyn) New York. For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Tracy Tracy - besiddes being shaped like a hook Red Hook was also made up of mostly red clay. I never heard anyone mention White Hook, but I did hear that Bay Ridge was once known as Yellow Hook and the name was changed after the outbreak of yellow fever, don't know if it is a true story or not but it sounds good. Bob __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

Hi Does anyone have a voter registration record/and or a ward/precinct map for Brooklyn or elsewhere? I'm looking for examples for a talk I'm giving. Many thanks Nancy "In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity"

Erin, The Town of Lismore is in the County Waterford. The organization of Irish records goes from the largest, County, to Barony to Civil Parish to Townland as the smallest political entity. Within the townlands are the specific farms. "Irish Records" by James G. Ryan is a good start. The Townlands of Curraheen North and Curraheen South are in the Civil Parish of Lismore & Mocollop. You are lucky as the County Waterford is part of the ancient lands of the Decies (pronounced Desha). There is great literature and tradition associated with this place. My people are from the same part of Waterford. The Civil Parish of Lismore & Mocollop is in the north-west corner of County Waterford. Within that Civil Parish is the Town of Lismore, seat of the Duke of Devonshire (to this day!). There is a Bartholomew Corcoran listed as a tenant in Curraheen South in Griffith's Valuation of Tenements, the Householder's List which is essentially the only Census substitute for Ireland in the 19th Century. There are no other Corcorans listed in either Curraheen North or Curraheen South. On my Discovery Series #81 map, Curraheen South is just outside of the Town of Tallow on the north bank of the River Bride. There is a little mountain between it and Curraheen North. It must be pretty country. The Waterford Heritage Center in the City of Waterford has all the Catholic records, if your ancestor was RC. They can be contacted through the Internet. They are pretty good, but cost money. But you could probably do a lot yourself with the Civil Registration of Births and Marriages which started in Ireland in 1864. Griffith's indicates Bartholomew Corcoran was a tenant. His landlord was the Duke of Devonshire. The family may have owned land by 1877. The Waterford County Library has a free list of all Deaths and Marriages in the County dating from 1864. Google will get you there. The Library also has Griffith's for the County, including the Ordinance Survey maps created at the time of Griffith's Valuations which was early for Waterford, 1852. Good Luck Sheila MacAvoy Block

I have two questions about a term on Ireland birth records. On my ancestor's birth record (Patrick Corcoran b. 1877) it lists his father's occupation (Patrick Corcoran) as a landholder. I was wondering if this means that he was a land owner or a tenant farmer? Also, is there a way to locate which land he owned or rented? This is in a small village called Curraheen/Curriheen within the town of Lismore, Co. Waterford, Ireland. Thanks very much for any information you may be able to provide. Sincerely, Erin Schuck --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!

Greetings, In case I haven't introduced myself as I joined a couple new list due to encouagement and help my name is Kathleen O'Donnell Grone and I live in the beautiful Black Hills of SD. I am trying to learn a LOT more about my family-- Thank you in advance for any help and if I can be of assistance, please ask. My father was raised in St. Vincent's orphanage, along with two of his brothers. My Dad entered the orphanage at the age of 7 when his mother died. His father was a NY policeman at the time and felt he couldn't handle 6 children. The girls and youngest son went to live with family and/or friends. He left the orpanage when he was 16, entering the Air Force. His name is Edwin Allen "Allen" O'Donnell. His brothers Eugene and Kenny also lived at St. Vincents. Kenny spent much of his time in the hospital. In the service my Dad got the nickname "OD". He was in the AF for 20 years, then taught college for 25 years. I want to learn more about the orphanage, how my father grew up, see if there were census records, other records on my Dad. My Dad was born in 1931 in Brooklyn. One of the things my Dad loved was the movies- ""I must admit that when I was a boy, and a young man, I was a true movie "buff"... every weekend when I had a few nickels and the time, I was in the local movie house! It was called the Boro Hall Theater; in the Borough Hall section of Brooklyn, New York. And my heroes ---- Jimmy Cagney, Bette Davis, Spencer Tracy, Lana Turner, and on and on and on. The great movies were the one's that had Cagney as the good guy, and Bogart as the bad guy!" Do any of you know where I could find a picture of the theatre?? I am not sure I spelled it right. My grandfather Lester A. O'D was born in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, but I don't know which street. Sometime after he retired from the NYPD he moved to Yonkers. He also worked for Lake George Camping Company, Dolton Landing. Do you know where that is? I know he had a home in the Catskills as well, more of a cabin with no running water or electricity. I know my great grandfather, James J. was born on Presidents Street. Do you know which part of Brooklyn that is in? His first wife Mary Harriagan (my great grandmother died on "216 Hoyt Street, a tenement in Brooklyn") as a very young woman as well, four days after childbirth. James died on his way home from work. He and his second wife Charlotte lived at - 265 89th Street in Brooklyn. Charlotte was Isabell's mother. Mother and daughter married Father and son- This confused me for years when I was young. It was James and Charlotte second marriages. For a short while Lester and Isabell lived in Queens, as this is where my Dad's mother died, on Colfax Street. My great grand grandparents Michael and Mary Dineen O'Donnell lived on Whitehall Street according to his naturalization papers. I am told Whitehall is in Brooklyn?? I do have some pictures of the family if any on the list might be related or interested. According to family lore Michael and Mary came with family- brothers and sisters. Mary had 7 children and two lived. Some family said that some of the children died on the way over. This is confirmed by a census and I must admit it really surprised me to find it. _______________________________________ The 1900 census, Brooklyn, Ward 29, Ft Hamilton Ave in NY has the following entry: Eli A. Kellem, 29 yrs old, born Sept 1870 in NJ, Father born in NJ, mother born in SC, occupation-pipe fitter Alice F., wife, 28 yrs old, born Dec 1871 in NY, father born in Ireland, mother born in Ireland, married for 8 yrs, had 8 children with 3 living Alice F., daughter, age 6, born Oct 1893 in NY Albert J., son, age 3, born Nov 1896 in NY Ethel M., daughter, age 1, born Oct 1898 Mary E. O'Donnell, mother-in-law, age 58, born April 1842 in Ireland, father born in Ireland, mother born in Ireland, widow, had 7 children with 2 living; to the United States in 1863, in this county for 37 years. (These dates tie in perfectly with the ships records!) Irish to America, 1846-1865 (Thank you to Lindel!) O'Donnell, Michael Age : 25 O'Donnell, Mary Age : 23 Country of Origin : Ireland Date of Arrival : May 20, 1863 Final Destination : USA Port of Debarkation : New York Ship's Name : Bridgewater Manifest ID Number : 901923 Port of Embarkation : Liverpool Purpose for Travel : Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel : Steerage Descendants of Michael O'Donnell 1 Michael O'DONNELL b: Abt. 1837 in Inishkeel Parish, County Donegal, Ireland d: in New York .. +Mary E. DINEEN b: April 1842 in Limerick, Ireland d: Aft. 1910 in New York m: in Donegal, Ireland -- (I am not sure if she was born in Limerick. There are a few Dineens near where Michael lived. ) ... 2 Alice Faye O'DONNELL b: December 1871 in County Donegal, Ireland d: in New York (Her father-in-law signed Michael O'D's naturalization papers). ....... +Eli A. KILLEM b: 1870 ......... 3 Alice KELLEM ......... 3 Albert KELLEM ......... 3 Ethel KELLEM ... 2 James J. O'DONNELL b: July 17, 1880 in President Street, New York City, New York d: December 8, 1931 in Brooklyn, New York ....... +Mary HARRIGAN b: 1881 in Brooklyn, New York d: January 28, 1914 in Brooklyn, New York m: Abt. 1900 in New York (Father John, they lived near the O'D's). ......... 3 Edwin O'DONNELL b: 1905 in New York d: in New York ............. +LOUISE ......... 3 Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL b: August 30, 1908 in Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York d: March 2, 1992 in Yonkers, New York ............. +Isabell M. CREEN b: October 5, 1905 in Brooklyn, New York d: October 1, 1938 in Queens County, New York m: 1923 in Brooklyn, New York ......... *2nd Wife of Lester Aloyisius O'Donnell: ............. +Dorothy Mary SCHULTZ b: May 3, 1918 in New York City, New York m: March 18, 1940 in New York City, New York ......... 3 James George O'DONNELL b: February 8, 1909 in Brooklyn, New York d: in New York ............. +Isabelle CARBERRY b: November 25, 1907 in Helensburgh, Scotland d: February 1989 in Brooklyn, New York ......... 3 Leroy O'DONNELL b: January 23, 1914 in New York d: Aft. 1984 in New York ... *2nd Wife of James J. O'Donnell: ....... +Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York m: 1923 in New York ......... 3 Charlotte Louise O'DONNELL b: January 20, 1927 ............. +VASSALLO ......... 3 Albert O'DONNELL b: 1929 ......... 3 John "Jack" O'DONNELL b: 1931 Descendants of Rufus Joseph Creen-- I would also like to find out anything about the extremely elusive Rufus-- on some census it is spelled Ruffus. Rufus' father was John Creen and his mother Annie Miner. The lived in Manhatten in 1904 census. Rufus was married to Charlotte at the time. Rufus was known as a "philanthropist, a real rogue" and Charlotte dispite her Catholic faith divorced him. He sometimes went by Joseph instead of Rufus. I hope to find where in Ireland he came from. 1 Rufus Joseph CREEN b: Abt. 1880 in New York City, New York d: Abt. 1940 in New York .. +Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York m: October 26, 1904 in New York ... 2 Jessica CREEN b: 1911 ... 2 Joseph CREEN ... 2 Isabell M. CREEN b: October 5, 1905 in Brooklyn, New York d: October 1, 1938 in Catskills, New York ....... +Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL b: August 30, 1908 in Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York d: March 2, 1992 in Yonkers, New York m: 1923 in Brooklyn, New York ... 2 Rufus Joseph CREEN, Jr. b: December 15, 1908 in New York d: January 1985 in Riverhead, New York ....... +Eleanor A. m: October 2, 1910 Descendants of Frederick Kerner 1 Frederick KERNER b: 1822 in Germany .. +SOPHIE b: 1823 in Germany ... 2 Johan KERNER b: 1854 ... 2 Friedrick KERNER b: 1856 ... 2 Paul KERNER b: 1858 ... 2 Emilie KERNER b: 1860 ... 2 Philipp KERNER b: June 15, 1861 in Germany d: in New York ....... +Jennie JAMES b: November 8, 1861 in Glascow, Scotland d: Aft. 1940 in New York m: 1880 in Frankfurt, Germany or NY ......... 3 May KERNER ......... 3 Jessica May KERNER ............. +John J. ROLSTON ......... 3 Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York ............. +Rufus Joseph CREEN b: Abt. 1880 in New York City, New York (no proof of this- some think he was born in Ireland) d: Abt. 1940 in New York m: October 26, 1904 in New York ......... *2nd Husband of Charlotte "Lottie" Kerner: ............. +James J. O'DONNELL b: July 17, 1880 in President Street, New York City, New York d: December 8, 1931 in Brooklyn, New York m: 1923 in New York ... 2 Alois KERNER b: 1866 ... 2 Barbara KERNER b: 1871 ... 2 Anna KERNER b: 1874 I know the Kerners owned a bakery and a pub. Not sure where though. A distant cousin said he recalls a picture of the pub. Thank you for your help. Kathleen Grone For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. 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In a message dated 5/31/05, [email protected] writes: > Being that I am new to the list and an O'Donnell I was wondering about Red > Hook?? Where is it? What is it? Hi Kathleen, Red Hook is a section of Brookllyn. It lies along the western side of Brooklyn, along the East River. There's a part of it that curves out into the River and resembles a hook. Hence the name. My father once said that there was a section known as White Hook. Has anyone ever heard of it? Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com

Ev, I have no information about this family. I suggest you contact the Visitation RC Church office for records. Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 7:24 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Rall in Red Hook > Vince, do you have any information about the James Rall family in the Red > Hook section 1840's -60's? Believe his first wife's name was Ellen or Ella. > He had a daughter Ellen and another Margaret, the latter born of his second > wife, Catherine Flannagan. I know they attended Visitation. James was from > Westmeath > > Ev > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep yourself from bouncing off. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Roy, I have no information about the Hanley family. Have you tried the US Census list? Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Michel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Irish in NYC > Vince Walsh > > My wifes GGrandfather's name was John Francis Hanley. According to RI death > records he was born in Ireland on November 10, 1830. I have no idea when he > came to America. His wife's maiden name was Elizabeth Brennan, but she was > married before. In the 1900 RI>Providence Cty>Burrillville Census, > Elizabeth(Eliza)Hanley was born in Ireland in 1817 and came to America in > 1858. I don't know if they came married or were married in NY. They had 2 > daughters while living in NY. Catherine was the oldest and born about 1863 > and then Ann who was born about 1868 or 69. The girls were born in NY. They > then moved to Cranston, RI, where John Joseph Hanley was born on Decenber > 25, 1870. Elizabeth(Brennan) Hanley had to live the better part of 10 years > somewhere in NY, her husband, I'm not sure of. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vincent Walsh" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Irish in NYC > > > > Roy, > > > > Red Hook, Brooklyn is the most likely place that thr Irish settled. > > Visitation RC Church was the only church they would have attended. > > > > I have detailed information about this section. What else do you know > about > > your family? > > > > Vince----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roy Michel" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:33 PM > > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Irish in NYC > > > > > > > I'm having a difficult time finding my wifes family, HANLEY, in NYC > > records. Was there a favorite catholic church that the Irish joined? Also > > was there a heavily settled Irish community that may hold the information > > I'm looking for? > > > The period of time was 1850's to 1869. They then moved to Cranston, > RI. > > Thank you...........Roy Michel > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > > To unsub, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to > either: > > > [email protected] (List Version) > > > [email protected] (Digest Version) > > > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > > > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep > yourself from bouncing off. > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To post a message to the Irish-New-York-City list, please send your email to: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Bob, I have an Aunt-in-Law, Mary Mckenna (Minnie), born 1878, Castle Island, Ireland, died September 20, 1961, married 1907 to Robert Walsh, livwed at 70 Dykeman Street, Brooklyn in 11915, arrived USA from Queenstown, Ireland on the SS Campania. Her cousin, Julia, lived with this family in 1915. I have some additional information. Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Re: Red Hook > Any names on that mckenna family, vin? > Barb > > > > Bob, > > > > Dwight Street bisects Red Hook Housing but some of it extends both sides of > > it. > > > > The 1915 NY State enumeration list my uncle, Robert Walsh and his family at > > 70 Dikeman Street. Was your family there at that time? Anderson, Walsh and > > McKenna lived in that building. > > > > Vince > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To post a message to the Irish-New-York-City list, please send your email to: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Kathleen, Red Hook is a neighborhood in Brooklyn. I suggest you purchase a map of Brooklyn from Hagstrom Company, Inc. 46-35 54th Road Maspeth. NT 11378 718-784-0055 Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] O'D's and Red Hook > Being that I am new to the list and an O'Donnell I was wondering about Red Hook?? Where is it? What is it? Sorry for sounding so ignorant. My O'D family was somewhat large -- I know my grandfather Lester had brothers and supposedly Michael and Mary Dineen O'D came over with family ie brothers although I don't know if they were hers, his or both. > Thank you! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone > > > For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy [email protected] > Jim McCarthy [email protected] > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

This is what I could find online, only for the years accessible online. Thanks to Ancesty Plus. Barb Brooklyn, New York General & Business Directory for 1840-41. Brooklyn: T. & J.W. Leslie & W.F. Chichester, 1840. Farrington Enoch, 128 Water n Bridge Farrington Ezra, ferryman 83 Fulton Farrington Hiram, blacksmith Kent av n Wallabout Farrington S. & A. millmers 83 Fulton 83 E. Farrington, S. & A. Farrington, Hiram Farrington 128 W. Taws, E. Farrington, Hearnes' Brooklyn, New York General Directory for 1850-51. Brooklyn: Henry R. & William J. Hearne, 1851. Farrington Hiram, backsmith Flushing n Kent av & Franklin n Myrtle av Farrington J M, butcher 79 Bridge Farrington L, cooper Hartt's Alley n Gold Longworth's American Almanac, New York, New York Register & City Directory for 1840. New York: Thomas Longworth, 1840. Farrington Benjamin, grocer Montgomery h. 25 Tompkins Farrington Benjamin, 120 Sullivan Farrington Darius, carpenter 1656 Maiden-l. h. 41 Delancey Farrington David, overseer 126 Houston Farrington George W. carter 128 Houstoon Farrington jr. Harvey, strawgoods 107 William Farrington Isaac W. merchant 303 Bowery Farrington John, grocer 303 Bowery c. First Farrington John, painter 15 Rector h. 141 Washington Farrington John D. Montgomery h. 25 Tompkins Farrington Jonas, carter 11 Norfolk Farrington Oliver, 423 Grand Farrington Stephen, carter 143 Christopher Farrington Thomas, carter 31 Pitt Farrington Thomas, printer 67 Chrystie Farrington Rebecca widow of Benj 204 Allen Farrington B. & J. D. grocers South c. Montgomery Robinson & Farrington, joiners 166 Maiden-lane Doggett's New York City, New York Street Directory for 1851. New York: John Doggett, Jr., 1851. *John Farrington 200 E. W. Farrington jr. druggist 32 John Farrington 345 J. D. Farrington 417 Julia Farrington, confectner 143 Stephen Farrington. carman 148 Derias Farrington, shipjoiner Deraius Farrington, jaimer 152 Joseph Farrington, butcher Mary Farrington 80 C. W. Farrington, butcher 292 J. D. Joseph Farrington, butcher Moses Farrington 88 J. D. Farrington, liquors 11 Jonas Farrington, carman H. Farrington Farrington & Clark, painter *John Farrington David Farrington Joseph farrington clerk *E. W. Farrington I. W. Farrington 292 292 J. D. Farrington, liqours [email protected] writes: > My gr-gr-Grandfather was Patrick Farrington, b. abt. 1818 in Ireland > (where??) > According to his Indiana obit, he came to NYC about 1839 (when, where???) > He lived in NYC and married Mary Magher/Manghan/Meagher (b. May 1830-35 > Ireland), (when, where??) > They moved to South Bend, Indiana between 1849 and 1855 (his obit says abt. > 1849, hers > says in after marriage in 1855). The lived the rest of their days in South > Bend. > They appear in the 1860 census and later in South Bend (but not the 1850). >

I am searching for more information of the following ancestors. This is the only information I have on them in New York. By 1870 they moved to Ohio. The 1900 census says that they immigrated in 1859. They had another daughter, Mary, that was born in New York in 1861, so all I know is that they were living in NY between 1859 and 1861 and moved to Ohio before 1864 (son Michael was born in Ohio in 1864) Does anyone have access to a city directory, birth records for Manhattan in 1861 or ship records for 1859 who could do a lookup for me? Thank you so much! 1860 > NEW YORK > NEW YORK > 12-WD NEW YORK CITY BAKER JOHN 38 M W laborer born IREL Mary Baker 29, born Ireland Pat Baker, 15, water boy, born Ireland John Baker, 10, born Ireland Johanna, 7, born Ireland Bridgett 5, born Ireland 1870 Census information > OHIO > TRUMBULL > BRACEVILLE Series: M593 Roll: 1271 Page: 31 Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year BAKER JOHN 57 M W farmer, IREL OH TRUMBULL BRACEVILLE 1870 Mary, wife, 43 keeping house, born Ireland Johanna, 15, at home, born Ireland Bridget, 14, born Ireland Mary, age 9, born New York Michael age 6, born Ohio Lilly Murphy Lakewood, Ohio

NO listings in the years necessary in NYC for Mary MEAGHER/MAGHER/MANGHAN. You might also consider MAHER surname. Barb [email protected] writes: > > I'll try posting my needle in a haystack once again. Maybe this will ring a > bell with someone. > > My gr-gr-Grandfather was Patrick Farrington, b. abt. 1818 in Ireland > (where??) > According to his Indiana obit, he came to NYC about 1839 (when, where???) > He lived in NYC and married Mary Magher/Manghan/Meagher (b. May 1830-35 > Ireland), (when, where??) > They moved to South Bend, Indiana between 1849 and 1855 (his obit says abt. > 1849, hers > says in after marriage in 1855). The lived the rest of their days in South > Bend. > They appear in the 1860 census and later in South Bend (but not the 1850). > Children, beginning in 1858 in Indiana, were John Peter, Mary, Patrick > Joseph, > Julia, Eliza, and Margaret. > > Throughout his life, Patrick was involved with the well and pump business, > if that helps. > > I have no hints when he/they came to NY, where they lived, when/where they > married, or > when they left (or why). > > Does this ring a bell for anyone? Any clues gladly accepted! > > Bonnie in Chicago >