At 01:37 PM 6/14/05, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/14/2005 9:59:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > >http://silver-gateway.com/fam-tree/hall-history/index.html > >Hi, Lorena - >Could you give me a time frame on this? All I know is what I got from Uncle Henry, which is in the above. It sounds like Emily was an adult at the time, and she was born in 1901. Henry was born in 1910, and seems to be giving the info from personal memory. Emma died in 1951, and Edward in 1955. I know, that still leaves a pretty long time span, from maybe the 1930s through 1955, but apparently they were active a long time (leading the choir at Heart Church in the Bronx for 26 years). Hm, maybe I should contact them and see if I can pin down which 25 years those were :-). Thanks for anything anyone finds, and for any effort even if nothing is found :-), Morgan /|\ ************************************************* The three foundations of Spirituality: Hearth as altar, work as worship, and service as sacrament. *************************************************

In a message dated 6/14/2005 9:59:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: http://silver-gateway.com/fam-tree/hall-history/index.html Hi, Lorena - Could you give me a time frame on this?

I am looking for a needle in a haystack. My great great great grandparents were John and Mary Sullivan. My ggrandmother was Mary J Sullivan. and she had a sister, Kathleen ( or Kate) Baptiste Sullivan. I believe MAry was born on November 19, 1872. Katherine was born @1885. I have found Mary and Katherine in the 1900 census in NY( ED 1347 pg 138 Roll T625-1178) I know Mary died in 1906 (at age 33) from lockjaw and is buried in Greenwood cemetery. She married Theodore L Stewart. Kathleen was also on the census living in the house with Mary and her family. After she died, Kathleen stayed and raised the 6 children. I have not been able to find a marriage certificate for Theodore and Mary and looking for John and Mary Sullivan is almost impossible since it was a very common name. My father never really learned much about his grandmother's family. Family legend is that Mary and Kathleen were adopted by Theodore's mother, Josephine Cushing Stewart, to have them help her in the dress shop she owned ( haven't found it yet) . It is also said that Mary and Kathleen were orphaned and were either sent here from Ireland when parents died or parent's died in NYC. during an epidemic of some sort. And looking at censuses looking for birth information is interesting since many people did not say they were born in Ireland with the "Irish not apply" prejudice shown in NYC. So any ideas since John and Mary Sullivan are such common names? What I've written here is the total knowledge about the Sullivans ( could also have been 0'Sullivan?????)

Brooklyn, 1910 Census for O'Donnell--- This census that you sent has the Harrigan Family living right next door!! I am also wondering as it has a John J. --I am wondering if the uncle my aunt met was John J. Harrigan instead of John O'Donnell??? No one has heard of a John O'Donnell at all --Could be I suppose. He would have been the right age for WW1 as well. This is fantastic! I am just positive this is Mary's family. I am thinking also that the mother must have died by then as she is not listed. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Kathleen O'Donnell For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

At 07:44 PM 6/13/05, Dorothy wrote: >And should anyone be interested, I got the article from someone who >belonged to The New York Genealogical & Biographical Society. I've >since joined (online) and I've been able to access the New York Times >from days of old. Perhaps you could give us some corroboration on a story we have about my husband's Irish great-grandfather in NYC :-). According to my hunny's great uncle, in "Emigrant Ancestors: John And Bethia Hall" http://silver-gateway.com/fam-tree/hall-history/index.html : >Editor's Note: The Flanagan branch of the Hall Clan were, and are, a >most musical family. My father soloed in many Christian Churches, >and also at Carnegie Hall. My mother, whom I feel was a musical >genius, was a tremendously gifted sight reader and pianist who >taught for many years. My parents and my sister Emily gave many >benefit concerts for the Archdiocese of N.Y. and for the City. They >also led the choir at Sacred Heart Church in the Bronx for 26 years. >Most practicing was done at our home, my mother being the one to >play the music. Many times she was challenged to play a piece by >putting the music in front of her. She always responded beautifully! >Once, when Mom, Pop, Sister Emily, and a baritone rendered Verdi's >"Ti Prego Padre", windows flew open around the neighborhood >apartments and shouts of "Bravo!" rang out. It made me so proud! The parents he speaks of are Edward John Flanagan and Emma Augusta (Hall) Flanagan, who can be found at http://silver-gateway.com/fam-tree/flan-hal.html Edward is something of an enigma, since I haven't been able to find much about his parents and nothing about any siblings. I thought I'd found a birth record on FamilySearch.org, but when I sent the info to the city of NY they didn't find him. Anyway, if you have a chance to look for anything about the Flanagans at Carnegie Hall (or anything else about them, really *G*) would be appreciated. Thanks! Lorena /|\ Searching for: F l a n a g a n (NY state), F l o r i o, C o c c i a, M a r t i n g a n o; F o l e y, F e r g u s o n, M o r g a n <http://silver-gateway.com/fam-tree/>

Hi, Dolly - What a wonderful story about your parents! I loved reading it. My great-grandfather was also a policeman in Hell's Kitchen. I also belong to a German group since my Father was German (it was my mother who was Irish). One day a woman wrote in and asked if anyone ever heard of George ......I'll call him "Schmitt" (since I don't want to use his actual name). Anyway, I knew the name and I wrote back to ask if he had been a harness maker in Hell's Kitchen. She wrote back, said "No," but he did own a factory on 38th St. I was positive I knew the name but couldn't place it. A few days later, the light bulb clicked on and I realized I had a newspaper article from 1886 concerning an arrest my great-grandfather (Peter Rebholz) made and, yes, he arrested George "Schmitt!" I sent her the article and she wrote back with a remark about policemen. I made it a point not to tell her that my husband had also been a NYC policeman. And should anyone be interested, I got the article from someone who belonged to The New York Genealogical & Biographical Society. I've since joined (online) and I've been able to access the New York Times from days of old. Dorothy

Kathleen, There is a Lafayette Street in both Brooklyn and in Manhattan. Brooklyn was a city until incorporated into NYC. Now, NYC consisted of Kings County (Borough of Brooklyn), The (and don't forget to use the "The") Bronx (Bronx County) Borough of Queens ( Queens County), Staten Island (Richmond County) Borough of Manhattan (New York County.) Each county is also a borough. Vince P.S. Brooklyn is separated from Manhattan by the East River and connected thereto by the Brooklyn Bridge and the Manhattan Bridge. From: "Kathleen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Five Points Info and Questions > > I am beginning to think, according to the maps that when my Uncle mentioned family living in Hell's Kitchen, he must have meant the Five Points area instead. Anyway, I did find the family who lived on Elm, although it wasn't the Kerners who I thought. It is today (thanks to wonderful researchers) LaFayette Street, very near the Five Points. From the looks of things I think I would feel better if they lived near Hell's Kitchen. Here is some info I found. > > Thank you! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone > > The Five Points Site http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/fphome.htm > Archaeologists and historians rediscover a famous nineteenth-century New York neighborhood-The worst slum in the city stood at the intersection of Park, Worth, and Baxter Streets.http://www.picturehistory.com/find/p/1958/mcms.html > http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/wifp.htm > http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/3100/retro.html (has a picture of police)It looks as if Five Points was near Brooklyn or is just the map that makes it look that way? LaFayette is in South Brooklyn? Looks that way on the map- It seems to be in Lower Manhatten? > History's Mysteries: Five Point Gangs > The Five Points is to Organized Crime what Plymouth Rock is to America. From the worst slum in New York City springs a steady stream of Irish thugs, Jewish racketeers and Italian hit men who would make organized crime a permanent part of the American scene. The new influx of Italian families in the early 1900s breeds what becomes the most dominant group in American crime. Paul Kelly, aka Paolo Antonio Vacarelli, forms a mixed ethnic gang called "The Five Pointers." From this gang, and its farm team, "The Five Points Juniors," come some of the most infamous names in American crime - Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel. Gang influence recedes during World War I, but Prohibition inadvertently brings their power back to new heights. Lucky Luciano puts "The Five Pointers" in the bootlegging business and consolidates mob power by wiping out his enemies. He reinvents American organized crime into the Mafia that we know today. Prohibition's repeal ends the reign ! > of the > rum-runners, and Italian gangs move their headquarters to Brooklyn. Atop the old Five Points now rests a federal court building, an ironic and perhaps fitting tribute to this single corner that gave birth to the American gangster. > Premiere: March 13th, 2005 > Five Points > The 19th-Century New York City Neighborhood That Invented Tap Dance, > Stole Elections, and Became the World's Most Notorious Slum > by Tyler Anbinder 0-452-28361-2 Paperback, $16.00 Plume, Sept. 2002 New York State > > http://urbanography.com/5_points/http://urbanography.com/5_points/5p3.html- This site list Newspaper police reports and lists a lot of names, advertisements, article -- amazing what went on! > > > For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 > > > > > --------------------------------- > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To unsub, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: > [email protected] (List Version) > [email protected] (Digest Version) > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Dear Dorothy It is me who should thank you and I truly do. My Dad, was born in New York in 1915 and he died here in England in 1961 when I was 11 years old (married Mom here in Birmingham in December 1945, just after WWII) and I never knew barely anything of his background until I found his US Army discharge papers last year after Mom died. My search started last September and it has taken me nine months just to find out who his direct family is. I read everything I possibly can about New York in the late 1800 and early 1900 and I'm afraid I am a complete "sponge" and can never get enough information. But reading your description which was so personal to you and your family, yet gave me a wonderful feeling that had I known my family, I would have probably heard a very similar story. So once again Thank you so much. Regarding Hugh Sheridan, he wasn't one of the brothers, but you actually have given me something to search to see if there is a connection. You see, one of the early memories that might have come from Dad, is that the Sheridan family had an Haulage Company in New York. I have nothing to go on yet but in the 1910 NY Census, my Grandfather Thomas was a Chauffeur and his brothers were Teamsters in Haulage, so it was wonderful to see that census image the very first time (it sort of confirmed my vague memory) Then I ordered two microfilms of the 1915 New York census from the local FHC here in Birmingham and all the Sheridan boys were living with their individual families at 556, W.38th Street and all of them were drivers as were some of the other named family men in the building. If I do find a family connection to Hugh, then there will be a connection to you through the good works of your Great Uncle. I am so glad for you that you had that time with your Father, I imagine you have great joy from those memories. My very best wishes to you Dorothy, Take good care now Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Hell's Kitchen Yvonne - Thanks so much for your compliments concerning my description of life in Hell's Kitchen. I was lucky enough to have my Father live with me for ten years and he told me so many stories. Eventually, I was smart enough to take notes in shorthand while he described his life in NYC, along with stories of his parents and grandparents. Since he was blind in his later years, he never realized what I was doing but one night when I read everything back to him he cried, telling me that "it was one thing to tell it, but another to hear it." You mention the Sheridans in Hell's Kitchen and that they were employed as chauffeurs. By any chance, was Hugh Sheridan one of the brothers? I know he lived in that area. My great-uncle loaned him the money to start the Sheridan and Duncan Trucking Company and my Father worked there for many many years. Dorothy

Barb, Thank you so much. I have printed off area maps of NYC and surrounding areas. What I need is a map with clear boundaries. The Brooklyn site is great. I have spent many hours browsing through it. I just spent a lot of $$ ordering birth certificates and such so may have to wait a month on the Godfrey site but have it in my favorites. Thank you so much for understanding and being so helpful. Kathleen O'Donnell Grone For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!

Wendy, The O'Donnell 1870 census you e-mailed makes more sense as it has Michael and Mary's ages two years apart. I think the children could also have come over with other family as well, as it has a Mary O'Donnell, obviously a grandmother or aunt on the census. I want to order Michael Naturalization certificate to find out about his parents. I have a copy but I am told there is a lot more info available. I just wonder if some of the kids are neices and nephews??? Children they took in from deceased relatives?? I am grabbing at straws but maybe that many children died or something? I have Alice born 1871 or 1872 so she would not be on this census and James wouldn't either as he was born in 1881. An Aunt told me yesterday via email that she also met an Uncle John O'Donnell! I hadn't heard that one before but she said he had served in WW1! I was shocked by that. I emailed my Dad to see if he ever met him. This census seems to fit. And, they certainly could have had more children. Hard to say. From what I understand Mary Dineen O'D, Michael's wife didn't speak English very well... but that is stories as well. The Kellem census' are right on! Yeah! Thank you so much for everything! Your a wonder! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more.

I am beginning to think, according to the maps that when my Uncle mentioned family living in Hell's Kitchen, he must have meant the Five Points area instead. Anyway, I did find the family who lived on Elm, although it wasn't the Kerners who I thought. It is today (thanks to wonderful researchers) LaFayette Street, very near the Five Points. From the looks of things I think I would feel better if they lived near Hell's Kitchen. Here is some info I found. Thank you! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone The Five Points Site http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/fphome.htm Archaeologists and historians rediscover a famous nineteenth-century New York neighborhood-The worst slum in the city stood at the intersection of Park, Worth, and Baxter Streets.http://www.picturehistory.com/find/p/1958/mcms.html http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/wifp.htm http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/3100/retro.html (has a picture of police)It looks as if Five Points was near Brooklyn or is just the map that makes it look that way? LaFayette is in South Brooklyn? Looks that way on the map- It seems to be in Lower Manhatten? History's Mysteries: Five Point Gangs The Five Points is to Organized Crime what Plymouth Rock is to America. From the worst slum in New York City springs a steady stream of Irish thugs, Jewish racketeers and Italian hit men who would make organized crime a permanent part of the American scene. The new influx of Italian families in the early 1900s breeds what becomes the most dominant group in American crime. Paul Kelly, aka Paolo Antonio Vacarelli, forms a mixed ethnic gang called "The Five Pointers." From this gang, and its farm team, "The Five Points Juniors," come some of the most infamous names in American crime - Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel. Gang influence recedes during World War I, but Prohibition inadvertently brings their power back to new heights. Lucky Luciano puts "The Five Pointers" in the bootlegging business and consolidates mob power by wiping out his enemies. He reinvents American organized crime into the Mafia that we know today. Prohibition's repeal ends the reign ! of the rum-runners, and Italian gangs move their headquarters to Brooklyn. Atop the old Five Points now rests a federal court building, an ironic and perhaps fitting tribute to this single corner that gave birth to the American gangster. Premiere: March 13th, 2005 Five Points The 19th-Century New York City Neighborhood That Invented Tap Dance, Stole Elections, and Became the World's Most Notorious Slum by Tyler Anbinder 0-452-28361-2 Paperback, $16.00 Plume, Sept. 2002 New York State http://urbanography.com/5_points/http://urbanography.com/5_points/5p3.html- This site list Newspaper police reports and lists a lot of names, advertisements, article -- amazing what went on! For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out!

Dear Dorothy - I loved your description of life in Hell's Kitchen. My father grew up there - he was born in 1900 and also knew the Madden brothers. My father was a young police officer in the precinct and one nite they "raided a speakeasy on the west side." My mother was busy doing the Charleston when she looked into the blue eyes of this handsome irish cop who said to her "you are under arrest - give me your name and address". Of course, he didn't arrest her but two years later they were married and here I am today telling the story that happened over 80 years ago. They were good and decent people - God rest their souls. Dolly Maher

Tracy, You are so right -- the writing on Hell's Kitchen and the Five Points in fascinating. My Dad is opening up a bit to about his childhood, stories of his father and Grandfather (mean ol' goat I must say!)-- The last story my Dad shared was in being in a gang- a group of the boys from the orphanage and according to my step-grandmother who lives in Yonkers it seems there was a death and trouble so my Dad left, went into the Air Force at 16. He used his brother Eugene's birth certificate so for his first stint (he spent 20 years in the AF)- he was Eugene instead of Allen. Thank you so much! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.

The expressions "Draft Riots" and "Five Points" have been mentioned in messages. I suggest searching Google for information on these subjects. More detailed information can be obtained from your local library. The movie "Five Points" is fiction and trash. Vince

Hi, My Aunt Catherine took her own life in 1947. She was diagnosed with post partum depression. I don't know if this was after she was gone. But, she did put my cousin, Eileen, out on the fire escape on Dean St. in Brooklyn, and turned on the gas. She knew she wasn't ok but she made sure her baby was. My mother was forever scarred from this horrible event, as was my grandparents. From what stories I remember hearing growing up, my aunt was not to be left alone, but in the '40's if you didn't work, much like now, you didn't get paid. I don't know the whole story, but I've been doing genealogy for almost 5 yrs. now, and my aunt's death certificate has 2 pages. I've never seen a death certificate that wasn't just 1 page. The second page told of how they found her, with the gas on... That has affected my whole family and I haven't seen my cousin, Eileen Roxbury, in over 40 years. What at shame. I have only 3 first cousins and she is one of them whom I've not gotten! the pleasure to have known. Her father, Vincent Kavanaugh, grew up in Hell's Kitchen. He was born in 1899 to older parents and the family had a difficult time rising up from their hard times. The parent's deeds are sometimes inflicted on the children. Not so much anymore, thankfully. Education is the key. Somehow my people didn't figure that out or couldn't get to the education level, just survival, for over 100 yrs. in this country. I am the first in both sides of my family to get a Bachelor's Degree. If we can lift each other up, we all reap the benefit. Funny, Mary Anne, we have the same name; kind of, mine's Marianne. Thanks for bringing to light the lack of birth control or any control we women had. Thanks for letting me give my 2 cents. Marianne in Florida, waiting for the hurricanes..... > From: "Mary Anne Smith" <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/06/11 Sat PM 05:53:02 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IRISH-NYC] Re: History of Hell's Kitchen > > Kathleen: > > Women frequently suffered from post-partum depression (worse than the baby > blues) and killed themselves or themselves and their children. It still > happens today but we are much more aware of it than in those days. Can you > imagine no birth control, giving birth at home with the other kids running > around, no mother/mother-in-law coming in to help for a week and a husband > who had to get up at the crack of dawn and was gone all day (no family leave > then for dad!) It was a rough life for everyone and many women died young, > in childbirth or were dead by the age of 35. > > Homes/tenements were heated/lit with gas jets and so were ranges. It could > have been an accident or it could have been suicide - easy enough to put > one's head in the oven and turn on the gas jets or to extinguish the flames > on the heater and let the gas just put you to sleep. On the other side, > appliances were not safe in those days, and could easily malfunction. I > would assume it was an accident unless you had any proof otherwise. > > Mary Anne > > > "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow." > > --Mark Twain > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 5:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Re: History of Hell's Kitchen > > > Thank you for the history of Hell's Kitchen. Interesting place but glad I > didn't live there back then. How did people survive!? I simply love history > as it makes the people -- my family come alive! > > I found another Ward 29- 216 Hoyt Street - funny how these people all live > so close together and also seem to move around a lot. > > MARY HARRIGAN O'DONNELL (a BIG MYSTERY)- My great grandmother. She died four > days after her last child was born and the wonder was, why didn't all four > boys die as well? Was it a murder or suicide? > She died a horrid death and it was investigated. An autopsy was performed > and the cause of death was asphyxia due to gas poisoning. Details of > medical examiner's report not included. No personal information was provided > or known to the county medical examiner. She was buried in a pauper's grave > at the County Farm on Feb 5, 1914 by the Dept. of Public Charities. > > I would like to find out more about her family. I have a father as John > Harrigan but no mother. Her husband listed no parents! Which is weird as a > John Harrigan lived next door or very nearby, but he may not be related- > Children are Edwin, Lester, James, LeRoy. > Name: Mary Odonnell > Age in 1910: 29 > Estimated Birth Year: 1880 > Home in 1910: 29-WD BROOKLYN, KINGS, New York > Race: White > Gender: Female > Series: T624 > Roll: 983 > Part: 2 > Page: 66B > Year: 1910 > > > For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love > shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, > says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 > > > > > --------------------------------- > Discover Yahoo! > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > If you will be away for a few days, please unsub from the list to keep > yourself from bouncing off. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. 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G. A machinist, as the name implies, is a person who is skilled in operating a machine. My father and his brothers were listed in U.S. censuses and the NY State Renumerations as machinist from 1910 to their retirement as working in Todd Shipyard in Red Hook Brooklyn. Vince----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] What Life Was Like in Hell's Kitchen > Dorothy Stewart's account of her family's life and business in Hell's > Kitchen was just terrific! > > This question may sound silly, but can someone give me some idea of what a > "machinist" would have done in NYC in the 1870-1900 period? Both my > grandfather and great-grandfather identified themselves as "machinists" in > the 1880 and 1900 Censuses and I wish I had a better, more complete sense > of what they did and how they did it. > > Yes, the Industrial Revolution was well underway by then and NYC was a > manufacturing center. Would a factory floor "grunt" operating a lathe, a > grinder or punch-press have described himself as a "machinist"? Did someone > have to be skill-trained to qualify for the title, "machinist," or was it a > sort of a generalized, one-size-fits-all descriptor for any man who worked > in a factory or small machine shop, regardless of specific function? > > Does anyone know of a book, books or articles that describe the NYC working > man's life for that era? Thanks. G. Alexander > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list websites: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > http://www.inyc.freeservers.com > They are works in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Fort Hamilton Parkway runs from Park Circle ( the south end of Prospect Park) called Windsor Terrace to the army installation Fort Hamilton. The south end of this street is in Bay Ridge. I recall a family called Campbell living at 115 East 4th Street in the 1930's. One of the sons was Vincent. Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Re: Vince Question IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D Digest V05 #160 > Vince, > > Fort Hamilton is in Bayridge area. Know any Campbells or Brosnans? > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy [email protected] > Jim McCarthy [email protected] > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Yvonne - Thanks so much for your compliments concerning my description of life in Hell's Kitchen. I was lucky enough to have my Father live with me for ten years and he told me so many stories. Eventually, I was smart enough to take notes in shorthand while he described his life in NYC, along with stories of his parents and grandparents. Since he was blind in his later years, he never realized what I was doing but one night when I read everything back to him he cried, telling me that "it was one thing to tell it, but another to hear it." You mention the Sheridans in Hell's Kitchen and that they were employed as chauffeurs. By any chance, was Hugh Sheridan one of the brothers? I know he lived in that area. My great-uncle loaned him the money to start the Sheridan and Duncan Trucking Company and my Father worked there for many many years. Dorothy

Thank you Jeanne! Yes, if anyone can do a lookup I would be very much appreciative. Does the LDS say anything about a death date? She died so young and horrible. Also, thank you for the info on "the history box" site! I have it in my favorites. What a fabulous site! Tons of info to browse through! Thank you to everyone who sent me definitions on "FARL". I will always know that farl means "fourth" and much more! >>>>Kathleen, I found a Mary Harigan, born 17 Nov. 1880 (my birthday, but not the year!) to Dennis Harigan and Elizebeth Higgins on the LDS IGI. It says the record was extracted from Birth Certificates in Manhattan. With the date and year, even if it's a possibility, you could request a lookup from someone going into the Archives in the City... ____________________ Jim, Would you have any Mary Dineen's in your family, born about 1842?? There just doesn't seem to be that many Dineen's in NYC -- compared to O'DOnnell's anyway that I always wonder about a connection. My Mary married Michael O'Donnell. Thank you! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone >>>>>>Jerry, I was certainly impressed also. Can you track through my ancestral name Dineen/Dinneen? My grandfather John (Michael) Dineen, great grandfather Timothy Dineen, and great great grandfather Patrick Dinneen all were born and raised in the Rathmore, Co. Kerry area, about 3 miles southwest in the townland of Carran. Fr. Patrick Stephen Dinneen, S. J., the great lexicographer, may have been a brother of my great grandfather. I am still researching. All the best, Jim B. (James Dineen Burden) __________________________ I just got a letter from my Aunt MaryAnn who remembers meeting an Uncle John O'Donnell, who served in WW1-- I am so confused! An Uncle John? Popped out of nowhere! Brother to James J. and Alice?! Help! _________________________ Walter, Thank you so much for the info and links on Flatbush and Hell's Kitchen. Now, it Five Points Hell's Kitchen or is that another hellish place? I am sorry if my questions seem silly but remember that I have been raised primarily in the midwest -- NE, SD, -- I have been studying maps but NYC and area is HUGE -- streets galore!! I live 3.5 miles from the nearest paved road! Ha! Thankyou! Thank you! Kathleen _________________________ D.R. "Doc" Begnal-Young--Thank you for the info on Hell's Kitchen! Very insightful! Blessings, Kathleen > Walter Greenspan During the Viet Nam era, the draft board for New York County -- the infamous one from the movie, "Alice's Restaurant" -- was located at 39 Whitehall Street. That is really interesting! I know in the movie the "Outsiders" in Tulsa, the lot next to the house used was where my Mom's house was- it had burnt down but it was interesting to see where she grew up. >>Circa the late 1800s and early 1900s, Flatbush was a poor/depressed area. It is from Flatbush that the colorful Brooklyn accent bubbled up. Walter Greenspan My Dad left the orphanage and Brooklyn when he was 16 and he still has an accent - my mother has a southern accent -- I'm still confused! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone _______________________ For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out!

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