In a message dated 10/30/2007 3:46:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, spille2@webtv.net writes: Yesterday i sent a post about Holy Cross Cemetery === so far i have not had any proof that it was sent to the lis. Are the posts hand picked. marge Several of the list I am on have been having different kinds of problems lately. If it was sent correctly, maybe that is the cause. I would say send it again. Dee ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi List, If anyone has time could you please check the NY 1910 CENSUS for a : George EVESSON b. Aug 10, 1905 I would like to know more about his family. The name is very unusual but they were in the NYC area in the late 1890' Thanking you in advance. Marges.

Edith & Marion...both born Virginia At Sheltering Arms 504-530 W. 129th St. Manhattan Frank McCullough California JC wrote: >Hi List, > If anyone has time could you please check the NY 1900 CENSUS for a Edith >Crossman age 13and her sister, Marion Crossman age 11... I know they are in >the 1900 census; however, I am looking for the address where they were >living as I believe it to be an orphanage or home for young women. > >If I can locate this institution's address, I may be able to find their >niece and nephew, Edith May Maguire born 8/12/1902 and Robert Maguire born >12/21/04 who may have been placed there in 1913 or shortly thereafter. > > >Thanking you in advance. JC > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

In a message dated 10/31/2007 3:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Is it true that you have to have the exact date of death for them to look > someone up? That is what they told me when I called but I can't imagine > that is > true. > > Erin > If you have the exact date of death or better yet date of burial, it is a simple task for them to look it up. If they have to search an entire month, that is more work and they may not do it at all by facility policy or only on written request. Some years ago when I called just to get the grave location for someone I expected to be the only occupant, they gave me the location, volunteered that there were in fact a total of 7 burials who appeared to all be related and told me the charge for the information on all would be $35.00. Recently a cousin contacted them for similar information on another grave and the charge was $55.00 for details on the first name only and an additional $5.00 for each additional name. It was also neccessary to pay for information on every name whether she needed it or not! There were 13 burials of which she already had full information on 7. $115 in total. GMcC NJ ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

If anyone on the list has a copy of that first NL, would you please consider sending me a copy of it? I had a computer crash and have been unable to recover that issue. Thank you so much. Denise ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Yesterday i sent a post about Holy Cross Cemetery === so far i have not had any proof that it was sent to the lis. Are the posts hand picked. marge

I had the date of death but as noted by another poster, the month and year should be sufficient. Nora In a message dated 10/30/2007 3:21:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _erinschuck2003@yahoo.com_ (mailto:erinschuck2003@yahoo.com) writes: Is it true that you have to have the exact date of death for them to look someone up? That is what they told me when I called but I can't imagine that is true. Erin ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

It also depends on how unique the name is. With my Smith ancestors, I had to be pretty close on the date. Melanie Orlando ---- "Pullara wrote: > Erin, > I was able to get information with the month and year. They don't have > the date of death, only the date of burial. > Mary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Erin > Schuck > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:06 PM > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] calvary cemetery was "no subject" > > Is it true that you have to have the exact date of death for them to > look someone up? That is what they told me when I called but I can't > imagine that is true. > > Erin > > Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: > > I had the same problem with Calvary Cemetery except it was in Chicago > (is it the name?)! I was told even after I called Calvary that a > relative wasn't buried there. I persisted and found out that the > relative's name was listed on the back of the index card that listed > other members of her husband's family. > > > Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. > Down/NYC > > > In a message dated 10/29/2007 3:19:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _megan@cfl.rr.com_ (mailto:megan@cfl.rr.com) writes: > > So the lesson that Liz and I both learned is that if you re-check your > facts and you are pretty certain the records should be in that place, it > is worthwhile to question the search or to search again on your own. > Being a genealogy newcomer, the experiences, good and bad, shared on > this list have been so helpful to me in figuring out what to do next. > > Melanie > Orlando > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Confidential: This electronic message and all contents contain information > from BayCare Health System which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise > protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee > only. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use > of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this > electronic message in error, please notify the sender and destroy the original > message and all copies. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It also depends on how unique the name is. With my Smith ancestors, I had to be pretty close on the date. Melanie Orlando ---- "Pullara wrote: > Erin, > I was able to get information with the month and year. They don't have > the date of death, only the date of burial. > Mary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Erin > Schuck > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:06 PM > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] calvary cemetery was "no subject" > > Is it true that you have to have the exact date of death for them to > look someone up? That is what they told me when I called but I can't > imagine that is true. > > Erin > > Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: > > I had the same problem with Calvary Cemetery except it was in Chicago > (is it the name?)! I was told even after I called Calvary that a > relative wasn't buried there. I persisted and found out that the > relative's name was listed on the back of the index card that listed > other members of her husband's family. > > > Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. > Down/NYC > > > In a message dated 10/29/2007 3:19:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _megan@cfl.rr.com_ (mailto:megan@cfl.rr.com) writes: > > So the lesson that Liz and I both learned is that if you re-check your > facts and you are pretty certain the records should be in that place, it > is worthwhile to question the search or to search again on your own. > Being a genealogy newcomer, the experiences, good and bad, shared on > this list have been so helpful to me in figuring out what to do next. > > Melanie > Orlando > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Confidential: This electronic message and all contents contain information > from BayCare Health System which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise > protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee > only. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use > of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this > electronic message in error, please notify the sender and destroy the original > message and all copies. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Erin, I was able to get information with the month and year. They don't have the date of death, only the date of burial. Mary -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Erin Schuck Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:06 PM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] calvary cemetery was "no subject" Is it true that you have to have the exact date of death for them to look someone up? That is what they told me when I called but I can't imagine that is true. Erin Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: I had the same problem with Calvary Cemetery except it was in Chicago (is it the name?)! I was told even after I called Calvary that a relative wasn't buried there. I persisted and found out that the relative's name was listed on the back of the index card that listed other members of her husband's family. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 10/29/2007 3:19:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _megan@cfl.rr.com_ (mailto:megan@cfl.rr.com) writes: So the lesson that Liz and I both learned is that if you re-check your facts and you are pretty certain the records should be in that place, it is worthwhile to question the search or to search again on your own. Being a genealogy newcomer, the experiences, good and bad, shared on this list have been so helpful to me in figuring out what to do next. Melanie Orlando ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Confidential: This electronic message and all contents contain information from BayCare Health System which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and destroy the original message and all copies.

I had the same problem with Calvary Cemetery except it was in Chicago (is it the name?)! I was told even after I called Calvary that a relative wasn't buried there. I persisted and found out that the relative's name was listed on the back of the index card that listed other members of her husband's family. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 10/29/2007 3:19:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _megan@cfl.rr.com_ (mailto:megan@cfl.rr.com) writes: So the lesson that Liz and I both learned is that if you re-check your facts and you are pretty certain the records should be in that place, it is worthwhile to question the search or to search again on your own. Being a genealogy newcomer, the experiences, good and bad, shared on this list have been so helpful to me in figuring out what to do next. Melanie Orlando ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Is it true that you have to have the exact date of death for them to look someone up? That is what they told me when I called but I can't imagine that is true. Erin Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: I had the same problem with Calvary Cemetery except it was in Chicago (is it the name?)! I was told even after I called Calvary that a relative wasn't buried there. I persisted and found out that the relative's name was listed on the back of the index card that listed other members of her husband's family. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 10/29/2007 3:19:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _megan@cfl.rr.com_ (mailto:megan@cfl.rr.com) writes: So the lesson that Liz and I both learned is that if you re-check your facts and you are pretty certain the records should be in that place, it is worthwhile to question the search or to search again on your own. Being a genealogy newcomer, the experiences, good and bad, shared on this list have been so helpful to me in figuring out what to do next. Melanie Orlando ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

In a message dated 10/28/2007 12:25:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, megan@cfl.rr.com writes: So the lesson that Liz and I both learned is that if you re-check your facts and you are pretty certain the records should be in that place, it is worthwhile to question the search or to search again on your own. Being a genealogy newcomer, the experiences, good and bad, shared on this list have been so helpful to me in figuring out what to do next. Melanie, You are so right about everything you said. I was commenting on my experience with using Calvary and didn't realize it sounded like I was concentrating on the "in defense of." You bring up some very good points especially for newcomers. I have resent for several certificates to Cambers Street because I knew I had a correct date, but several times I was not able to see the forest for the trees. I hadn't realized that being buried in Calvary didn't mean they died in NY! This was a hard and expensive lesson. I also had a brick wall with finding my father's birth certificate and only tracked it down because we were able to stop at the LDS Library in Utah while on vacation. His BC said he was born 3 months later then he celebrated his birthday on and this put him into 1910 where the records were no longer at Chambers Street. This caused all kinds of confusion. I also had one uncle who was listed as female and several times the names were very misspelled. I just couldn't figure out why I couldn't find them on the Italian Genealogy Site. These kind of things become our "brick walls." In hindsight it always seems so simple that you can't imagine how you missed it. Quite often it's the help of wonderful and more experienced posters that do the trick. It's the old "two heads are better than one!" Good luck searching, Dee in FL ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

I'm getting dizzy (I may have started out that way) trying to find some address information for Manhattan (New York County) from the census information I have. I sure hope someone can help me or point me in the right direction. Each 1st line below contains the year followed by the surname of my ancestor (HOH in CAPS) The 2nd line is information listed iin the census for that year. The 3rd line is my question concerning that census. 1850 DOUGHERTY-Fitzsimmons Manhattan Western Division, Ward 1, p121, Family #563 was this 1 Broadway? 1860 DOUGHERTY-Fitzsimmons Manhattan District 1, Ward 1, New York City, p127, Family #1140 was this 1 Broadway? 1870 DOUGHERTY-Fitzsimmons Manhattan Ward 5, District 7, p71, Family 543 was this 1 Broadway? 1870 MURPHY-Doyle Manhattan 13th ED, 12th Ward (PO=Harlem) was this 451 E 114th St.? 1870 MURPHY-Doyle Manhattan 7th ED, 12th Ward, (PO=New York) was this 451 E 114th St.? 1880 MURPHY-Doyle Manhattan 5th ED, 13th Ward Boundaries? Dizzy Dan in PA ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

As someone new to searching for NYC ancestors, it has been very helpful to find out the likelihood of a "not found" response to be just wrong. In those cases, if we don't check back, we may never find those ancestors. But for us living far from NY, this can be a frustrating dilemma when we can't check for outselves. Recently, the same thing happened to me with Calvary. I was very excited to find the death certificate of a family member who died as an infant. We thought we had all the family graves identified, so there was a possibility that the baby was buried with relatives we didn't know about. But the letter from Calvary came back that there was no record of the grave, even though the death certificate clearly stated Calvary. One week later, a cousin personally visited Calvary and spoke to a very helpful person who was able to find the grave. Unfortunately for us, it was one of those unmarked graves used for people without the money to buy their own, but we got the question answered and now know where she is. This same cousin tells a story of an interment list he paid for from Calvary with an unknown name on it. He spent time and money chasing down that unknown person and could never figure out the connection until later when he requested a grave location for someone else and the response was that original grave. The interment list had been typed wrong! He did get his fee refunded but so much effort was wasted in tracking down that mysterious person in the grave. I've also had many "not found" death certificate requests from Chambers Street Archives, that were later found. For these, I had the exact date of death and county. In one case, a last name was mispelled but that document directly followed the ones with the correct spelling. For another, the microfilm index was missing for that part of the alphabet but no one informed me that was the reason it couldn't be found. For the others, there was no apparent reason. Perhaps the person searching was distracted or just had a bad day, but $19 for me went down the drain for each one, and more importantly, I didn't get the info I needed until much later. Of course, I never would have found most of my ancestors without Chambers Street and Calvary, but mistakes do happen and they aren't rare. So the lesson that Liz and I both learned is that if you re-check your facts and you are pretty certain the records should be in that place, it is worthwhile to question the search or to search again on your own. Being a genealogy newcomer, the experiences, good and bad, shared on this list have been so helpful to me in figuring out what to do next. Melanie Orlando ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Haren" <lizharen@gmail.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] calvary cemetery was "no subject" > Some clarification here: I wasn't knocking Calvary, I was trying to > point out how they can make mistakes so that YOU don't go through what > I just did, chase my tail trying to figure out where someone was > buried. > > Liz > > On 10/27/07, LookingBack45@aol.com <LookingBack45@aol.com> wrote: >> >> In a message dated 10/26/2007 3:48:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> Mary.Pullara@baycare.org writes: >> >> In defense of Calvary, I had some terrific interaction with a young lady >> who found several plots for me. >> >> >> I also had good service from Calvary, but this was a few years ago. I >> had >> some grave numbers and had them all searched. We did visit the cemetery >> eventually but it was on a Sunday when no one was there. The >> instructions posted >> around the cemetey were good enough for us to turn up a headstone that >> belonged my grandmother and two of her sons There are, if I remember >> correctly, 3 >> separate cemeteries under the heading of Calvary. also, I did my inquiry >> by >> snail-mail. >> >> Dee >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at >> http://www.aol.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some clarification here: I wasn't knocking Calvary, I was trying to point out how they can make mistakes so that YOU don't go through what I just did, chase my tail trying to figure out where someone was buried. Liz On 10/27/07, LookingBack45@aol.com <LookingBack45@aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 10/26/2007 3:48:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Mary.Pullara@baycare.org writes: > > In defense of Calvary, I had some terrific interaction with a young lady > who found several plots for me. > > > I also had good service from Calvary, but this was a few years ago. I had > some grave numbers and had them all searched. We did visit the cemetery > eventually but it was on a Sunday when no one was there. The instructions posted > around the cemetey were good enough for us to turn up a headstone that > belonged my grandmother and two of her sons There are, if I remember correctly, 3 > separate cemeteries under the heading of Calvary. also, I did my inquiry by > snail-mail. > > Dee > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 10/26/2007 3:48:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mary.Pullara@baycare.org writes: In defense of Calvary, I had some terrific interaction with a young lady who found several plots for me. I also had good service from Calvary, but this was a few years ago. I had some grave numbers and had them all searched. We did visit the cemetery eventually but it was on a Sunday when no one was there. The instructions posted around the cemetey were good enough for us to turn up a headstone that belonged my grandmother and two of her sons There are, if I remember correctly, 3 separate cemeteries under the heading of Calvary. also, I did my inquiry by snail-mail. Dee ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

In defense of Calvary, I had some terrific interaction with a young lady who found several plots for me. She was able to provide names of others buried in the plot, which opened up whole new avenues to research. I was able to visit the cemetery from Florida and thank her in person while I was in NY. Mary -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TVRL524@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:21 PM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRISH-NYC] (no subject) I have found that Calvary hires high school kids to work the office. Many have no idea of what you are looking for. Some of the regular workers there are also very lax. It isn't a very helpful place. Tom Lyons ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Confidential: This electronic message and all contents contain information from BayCare Health System which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and destroy the original message and all copies.

I have found that Calvary hires high school kids to work the office. Many have no idea of what you are looking for. Some of the regular workers there are also very lax. It isn't a very helpful place. Tom Lyons ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Earlier in the week I called Calvary Cemetery to see if my GGGF was buried in that cemetery. I gave the date of burial, the works. The woman checked and came back on the phone telling me he's not buried in Calvary. I checked 4 other cemeteries to find out where he could be buried and was left scratching my head as all turned up empty. Something told me to check Calvary one more time and sure enough this new person I spoke to found it! I told her how the other person managed to miss it and thanked her for doing a good job. So the moral to the story is to not take no for an answer from Calvary. Liz