Are you saying if you go to the Municpal Archives in person, they will let you browse for $5 and have copies made for only $2? What a deal. All you have to do is get there and pay for room and board. Is an appointment with them necessary? Genie from Raleigh ----- Original Message ----- From: <irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:19 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 101 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NYC Records from LDS (Melanie) > 2. Petitions for Naturalization (Melanie) > 3. Re: NYC Records from LDS (LookingBack45@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:15:17 -0400 > From: "Melanie" <megan@cfl.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Records from LDS > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <084601c81e1b$93f02bc0$020ba8c0@LAPTOPEGAN> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > If you are not certain that the marriage certificate is for the right > person, try putting that marriage information into www.familysearch.org . > I've been able to narrow down the possibilities that way. Often, a few of > the names will display and will show either parent names or place of birth > or some other fact that will rule out my family member. I just tried that > last night for my Elizabeth Curtis. Out of 5 possibilities from > www.italiangen.org, I was able to eliminate 2 because the parents of the > bride were not my ancestors. > > I was able to visit NY in September and spent two days at the Municipal > Archives. It was amazing to be able to look through the certificates > myself > with just a $5 fee, rather than to blindly order possibilities. But I > couldn't get to everyone so now I'm back to ordering the $2 certificates > in > the hope that they do turn out to be one my great-uncles or aunts. Good > luck! > > Melanie > Orlando > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank McCullough" <frank@ap.net> > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:31 AM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Records from LDS > > >>I have sourced the film #s many times online & ordered the films at my >> local LDS FHC, but didn't know I could have the certs copied for me at >> LDS for such a reasonable price...I have located the request form, >> downloaded it & put together my first order. I'll let you know how it >> goes. >> >> I have 5 siblings of my Grt & Grt Grt Grandparents to find. All are >> females. So I have to go through the process of elimination...deaths & >> marriages. There are about 40 differents possibilities on the different >> indexes. If you look at my last name I can tell you I've found it >> spelled a dozen different ways. That is a lot of certs to buy. Renting >> the different films now isn't much less than just ordering the certs >> from NYC. This deal with LDS really makes sense. >> >> Thanks for everyone's help. >> >> Frank McCullough >> >> >> >> Melanie wrote: >> >>>Ordering the first time from LDS is confusing but once you get the hang >>>of >>>it, it can save you lots of money! >>> >>>To order copies of death or marriage certificates from LDS, first look up >>>the certificate number and year on the databases at italiangen.org. >>>Then go to www.familysearch.org and click on Forms (right hand side) >>>Click on Request for Photocopies: Census, Books, Microfilm, Microfiche >>>and >>>print off this form. (When you get your response, they will send you >>>more >>>blank forms, so you only have to do this once) >>>Next, fill in your name and address and credit card information on the >>>front >>>of the form. On the back middle section labeled, General Microfilm or >>>Microfiche, you'll start to print the information you need. Fill in the >>>Name of Individual, Certificate #, Event Type, Date, and County (such as >>>Manhattan). >>>Now for the hard part. You need to find the microfilm reel number. >>>Go back to www.familysearch.org and click on Family History Library >>>Catalogue on the top bar. >>>Next, select Place Search >>>Under both "Place" and "Part of", type in New York and click Search. >>>Select: New York, New York (City) >>>On the next screen, look for "New York, New York (City) - Vital >>>Records" - >>>to get there, click "View next set of matching topics" and scroll toward >>>the >>>end. >>>When you click on it, a bunch of different types of records will display. >>>Click on the type of record, county, and time period you want. >>>A description of the records will display. Click on "View Film Notes" in >>>the upper left hand corner. >>>Now you are at the actual reels. Look for the year and certificate # >>>range >>>you want. Be careful because LDS needs the right reel. >>>Write the reel number in the first column of your form. They are usually >>>a >>>7 digit number. >>> >>>You can request up to 8 certificates at a time. I've found it very easy >>>to >>>fax the request to the number on the front of the form. I usually get a >>>response in two weeks. >>> >>>Birth certificates are harder because certificate numbers are not usually >>>online. If you do have one from Ancestry or another source, you can >>>follow >>>these same instructions to order. You can also order the page of the >>>birth >>>index. Find the reel that contains the birth index for the year/name >>>that >>>you need. LDS will send the page with the name you requested. If the >>>birth >>>is on there, you can then order the certificate on your next request. A >>>little slower but it is still cheaper than the Municipal Archives. >>> >>>Melanie >>>Orlando >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:38:04 -0400 > From: "Melanie" <megan@cfl.rr.com> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Petitions for Naturalization > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <085001c81e1e$c36e7f70$020ba8c0@LAPTOPEGAN> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I was able to find copies of the Petition for Naturalization for several > of > my NYC ancestors on Ancestry.com. If anyone is familiar with these, I had > a > couple of questions. Is it possible to order the full document showing > naturalization using this information, or must this be researched in > person > at the NARA office in NYC? Also, would those papers offer any more > information than the Petition does? > > Melanie > Orlando > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:49:35 EDT > From: LookingBack45@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Records from LDS > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c1f.21543284.345dd66f@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 11/3/2007 9:16:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > megan@cfl.rr.com writes: > > > I was able to visit NY in September and spent two days at the Municipal > Archives. It was amazing to be able to look through the certificates > myself > with just a $5 fee, rather than to blindly order possibilities. But I > couldn't get to everyone so now I'm back to ordering the $2 certificates > in > the hope that they do turn out to be one my great-uncles or aunts. > > > That's wonderful that you were able to go to NY and research. I'm kind > of > in the same situation and I am using the copies to eliminate marriages > for my > grandparents. You can also compare the numbers against each other in the > database at the Italian research site. Figuring that out helped me a > lot. I'm > really just getting back to doing research after several years off, so > I'm > finding that many things have changed. > > Dee - searching Rolston/Rollston, Clendenning, Ennis > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list administrator, send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY mailing list, send an email > to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 101 > *************************************************** >

Melanie, It depends on what year the naturalization took place. If the person was naturalized after 1906, the papers will contain alot of information - birth, where born, etc. Besides Ancestry check the Italian Gen site. They now have naturalization records - footnote too. I just ordered naturalization papers for someone who was naturalized in 1933 in the Southern District Court. The documents had a wealth of info. You can do it online. Other papers from the 1860s did not have any genealogy information. Ellen Message: 2 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:38:04 -0400 From: "Melanie" <megan@cfl.rr.com> Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Petitions for Naturalization To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <085001c81e1e$c36e7f70$020ba8c0@LAPTOPEGAN> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I was able to find copies of the Petition for Naturalization for several of my NYC ancestors on Ancestry.com. If anyone is familiar with these, I had a couple of questions. Is it possible to order the full document showing naturalization using this information, or must this be researched in person at the NARA office in NYC? Also, would those papers offer any more information than the Petition does? Melanie Orlando ------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

In a message dated 11/3/2007 9:16:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, megan@cfl.rr.com writes: I was able to visit NY in September and spent two days at the Municipal Archives. It was amazing to be able to look through the certificates myself with just a $5 fee, rather than to blindly order possibilities. But I couldn't get to everyone so now I'm back to ordering the $2 certificates in the hope that they do turn out to be one my great-uncles or aunts. That's wonderful that you were able to go to NY and research. I'm kind of in the same situation and I am using the copies to eliminate marriages for my grandparents. You can also compare the numbers against each other in the database at the Italian research site. Figuring that out helped me a lot. I'm really just getting back to doing research after several years off, so I'm finding that many things have changed. Dee - searching Rolston/Rollston, Clendenning, Ennis ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

I was able to find copies of the Petition for Naturalization for several of my NYC ancestors on Ancestry.com. If anyone is familiar with these, I had a couple of questions. Is it possible to order the full document showing naturalization using this information, or must this be researched in person at the NARA office in NYC? Also, would those papers offer any more information than the Petition does? Melanie Orlando

If you are not certain that the marriage certificate is for the right person, try putting that marriage information into www.familysearch.org . I've been able to narrow down the possibilities that way. Often, a few of the names will display and will show either parent names or place of birth or some other fact that will rule out my family member. I just tried that last night for my Elizabeth Curtis. Out of 5 possibilities from www.italiangen.org, I was able to eliminate 2 because the parents of the bride were not my ancestors. I was able to visit NY in September and spent two days at the Municipal Archives. It was amazing to be able to look through the certificates myself with just a $5 fee, rather than to blindly order possibilities. But I couldn't get to everyone so now I'm back to ordering the $2 certificates in the hope that they do turn out to be one my great-uncles or aunts. Good luck! Melanie Orlando ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank McCullough" <frank@ap.net> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Records from LDS >I have sourced the film #s many times online & ordered the films at my > local LDS FHC, but didn't know I could have the certs copied for me at > LDS for such a reasonable price...I have located the request form, > downloaded it & put together my first order. I'll let you know how it > goes. > > I have 5 siblings of my Grt & Grt Grt Grandparents to find. All are > females. So I have to go through the process of elimination...deaths & > marriages. There are about 40 differents possibilities on the different > indexes. If you look at my last name I can tell you I've found it > spelled a dozen different ways. That is a lot of certs to buy. Renting > the different films now isn't much less than just ordering the certs > from NYC. This deal with LDS really makes sense. > > Thanks for everyone's help. > > Frank McCullough > > > > Melanie wrote: > >>Ordering the first time from LDS is confusing but once you get the hang of >>it, it can save you lots of money! >> >>To order copies of death or marriage certificates from LDS, first look up >>the certificate number and year on the databases at italiangen.org. >>Then go to www.familysearch.org and click on Forms (right hand side) >>Click on Request for Photocopies: Census, Books, Microfilm, Microfiche and >>print off this form. (When you get your response, they will send you more >>blank forms, so you only have to do this once) >>Next, fill in your name and address and credit card information on the >>front >>of the form. On the back middle section labeled, General Microfilm or >>Microfiche, you'll start to print the information you need. Fill in the >>Name of Individual, Certificate #, Event Type, Date, and County (such as >>Manhattan). >>Now for the hard part. You need to find the microfilm reel number. >>Go back to www.familysearch.org and click on Family History Library >>Catalogue on the top bar. >>Next, select Place Search >>Under both "Place" and "Part of", type in New York and click Search. >>Select: New York, New York (City) >>On the next screen, look for "New York, New York (City) - Vital Records" - >>to get there, click "View next set of matching topics" and scroll toward >>the >>end. >>When you click on it, a bunch of different types of records will display. >>Click on the type of record, county, and time period you want. >>A description of the records will display. Click on "View Film Notes" in >>the upper left hand corner. >>Now you are at the actual reels. Look for the year and certificate # >>range >>you want. Be careful because LDS needs the right reel. >>Write the reel number in the first column of your form. They are usually >>a >>7 digit number. >> >>You can request up to 8 certificates at a time. I've found it very easy >>to >>fax the request to the number on the front of the form. I usually get a >>response in two weeks. >> >>Birth certificates are harder because certificate numbers are not usually >>online. If you do have one from Ancestry or another source, you can >>follow >>these same instructions to order. You can also order the page of the >>birth >>index. Find the reel that contains the birth index for the year/name that >>you need. LDS will send the page with the name you requested. If the >>birth >>is on there, you can then order the certificate on your next request. A >>little slower but it is still cheaper than the Municipal Archives. >> >>Melanie >>Orlando >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have sourced the film #s many times online & ordered the films at my local LDS FHC, but didn't know I could have the certs copied for me at LDS for such a reasonable price...I have located the request form, downloaded it & put together my first order. I'll let you know how it goes. I have 5 siblings of my Grt & Grt Grt Grandparents to find. All are females. So I have to go through the process of elimination...deaths & marriages. There are about 40 differents possibilities on the different indexes. If you look at my last name I can tell you I've found it spelled a dozen different ways. That is a lot of certs to buy. Renting the different films now isn't much less than just ordering the certs from NYC. This deal with LDS really makes sense. Thanks for everyone's help. Frank McCullough Melanie wrote: >Ordering the first time from LDS is confusing but once you get the hang of >it, it can save you lots of money! > >To order copies of death or marriage certificates from LDS, first look up >the certificate number and year on the databases at italiangen.org. >Then go to www.familysearch.org and click on Forms (right hand side) >Click on Request for Photocopies: Census, Books, Microfilm, Microfiche and >print off this form. (When you get your response, they will send you more >blank forms, so you only have to do this once) >Next, fill in your name and address and credit card information on the front >of the form. On the back middle section labeled, General Microfilm or >Microfiche, you'll start to print the information you need. Fill in the >Name of Individual, Certificate #, Event Type, Date, and County (such as >Manhattan). >Now for the hard part. You need to find the microfilm reel number. >Go back to www.familysearch.org and click on Family History Library >Catalogue on the top bar. >Next, select Place Search >Under both "Place" and "Part of", type in New York and click Search. >Select: New York, New York (City) >On the next screen, look for "New York, New York (City) - Vital Records" - >to get there, click "View next set of matching topics" and scroll toward the >end. >When you click on it, a bunch of different types of records will display. >Click on the type of record, county, and time period you want. >A description of the records will display. Click on "View Film Notes" in >the upper left hand corner. >Now you are at the actual reels. Look for the year and certificate # range >you want. Be careful because LDS needs the right reel. >Write the reel number in the first column of your form. They are usually a >7 digit number. > >You can request up to 8 certificates at a time. I've found it very easy to >fax the request to the number on the front of the form. I usually get a >response in two weeks. > >Birth certificates are harder because certificate numbers are not usually >online. If you do have one from Ancestry or another source, you can follow >these same instructions to order. You can also order the page of the birth >index. Find the reel that contains the birth index for the year/name that >you need. LDS will send the page with the name you requested. If the birth >is on there, you can then order the certificate on your next request. A >little slower but it is still cheaper than the Municipal Archives. > >Melanie >Orlando > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Ordering the first time from LDS is confusing but once you get the hang of it, it can save you lots of money! To order copies of death or marriage certificates from LDS, first look up the certificate number and year on the databases at italiangen.org. Then go to www.familysearch.org and click on Forms (right hand side) Click on Request for Photocopies: Census, Books, Microfilm, Microfiche and print off this form. (When you get your response, they will send you more blank forms, so you only have to do this once) Next, fill in your name and address and credit card information on the front of the form. On the back middle section labeled, General Microfilm or Microfiche, you'll start to print the information you need. Fill in the Name of Individual, Certificate #, Event Type, Date, and County (such as Manhattan). Now for the hard part. You need to find the microfilm reel number. Go back to www.familysearch.org and click on Family History Library Catalogue on the top bar. Next, select Place Search Under both "Place" and "Part of", type in New York and click Search. Select: New York, New York (City) On the next screen, look for "New York, New York (City) - Vital Records" - to get there, click "View next set of matching topics" and scroll toward the end. When you click on it, a bunch of different types of records will display. Click on the type of record, county, and time period you want. A description of the records will display. Click on "View Film Notes" in the upper left hand corner. Now you are at the actual reels. Look for the year and certificate # range you want. Be careful because LDS needs the right reel. Write the reel number in the first column of your form. They are usually a 7 digit number. You can request up to 8 certificates at a time. I've found it very easy to fax the request to the number on the front of the form. I usually get a response in two weeks. Birth certificates are harder because certificate numbers are not usually online. If you do have one from Ancestry or another source, you can follow these same instructions to order. You can also order the page of the birth index. Find the reel that contains the birth index for the year/name that you need. LDS will send the page with the name you requested. If the birth is on there, you can then order the certificate on your next request. A little slower but it is still cheaper than the Municipal Archives. Melanie Orlando

In a message dated 11/2/2007 8:11:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, frank@ap.net writes: Dee, I went off to the LDS Family History Center today to order up some copies of Death Certs & Marriage Lics, etc. When I asked them about this $2 service they looked at me like I was speaking Serbian. They went and got the General Manager & he said there is no such service except for English records...I went to the Temple in Oakland, CA. which is a huge operation. If this service is available, who do we contact & what is the name of the service? Are there special forms that need to be filled out? I order lots of stuff from NYC & this would be a great help in keeping the costs down. Thanks Frank McCullough ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Frank, someone kindly posted the information on one of the boards I was reading. I'm going to try and summarize it as best as I can, because I cannot find the instructions I printed several years ago. In May I ordered 6 certificates from the LDS for which I had found certificate numbers for on the Italian Genealogy Research Site. I sent them (LDS) a check for $12.00 for the 6 items. The minimum order is $4.00 for the first one, etc. The instructions are explained on the order form which you print from the Family Research Site. 1. Once there click on "Site Map." 2. Under "Welcome" click on "Family History Forms." 3. Click on "Request for Census" Form" #31768. 4. Print and fill out under "General Microfilm or Microfiche." I have always used this although I've never been sure I've been doing it right. I have always gotten my info back and they give you a credit if they cannot find it. It's happened once or twice and it's usually been my fault. They DO NOT DO THE RESEARCH FOR YOU. You must send the correct information. NOW: Once you have a certificate number for the certificate you want a copy for, you then find out the number of the LDS film this certificate number is on. With that information you are able to fill out the information asked for on the form and they are able to find the correct certificate to copy for you. EXAMPLE: I found a Death Certificate Number listed on the Italian Genealogy site for my aunt, Josephine Schaefer. I went to the LDS site, New York City (I think), Vital statistics, Death, or whatever covered Manhattan deaths and found which film covered that number. Sorry that I don't have time to run through it all now to make sure it's right. Anyway, this is what I ended up putting on the form: Film #2134080; Josephine Schaefer; Manhattan, NY; D (for death certificate); 10-Dec-1948 (date for death); Manhattan, NY, #26830 (which is the Death Certificate Number.) It doesn't really match what they ask for, but it's always worked for me and for the person who sent me the information. I've been doing it for several years. Another point, I've done research at two local LDS Churches and I've found that a great majority or the "helpers" are just members who might be just "minding" the desk because there is no one else available. Those of you who've found someone who can really help, are most fortunate. I always thought it was my inability to understand what to do, but your replay makes me think otherwise. Good luck. Hope this isn't too confusing. Dee ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi List, I send for copies of birth, marriage and death records to the Family History Library in Utah. The cost is 2.00 a copy but you do need to use the order form, they put a new blank form in with every order. Any FHC should have these forms if not call the 800 number for Utah ask them to send some. . Marge

Dee, I was not aware that you could order birth, marriage, and death certificates from the LDS Library. How do you go about doing that? I have also spent a fortune on certificates from the NYC Vital Records Bureau. Veronica > [Original Message] > From: <irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/2/2007 3:19:24 AM > Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 98 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: A word...about researching calvary or other cemeteries > (LookingBack45@aol.com) > 2. Re: A word...about researching calvary or other cemeteries > (Marge Spille) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:34:56 EDT > From: LookingBack45@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] A word...about researching calvary or other > cemeteries > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c56.21bdbcec.345ba080@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 10/31/2007 5:06:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > catherine.windsor@gmail.com writes: > > Also we are paying a fee, which is fine > but they should be more careful. I did not pay the perpetual care. > > > > ================== > > I had forgotten about them asking for perpetual care. I didn't pay > either....I couldn't afford it. As I said in one of my other post, I did consider my > experience good, yet many of the same things happened to me with names, etc. > I started out with some very old receipts for the graves which had the name > of the person buying them and the date, Abt 1900 and on. These came to me > when an older relative passed away and I had no idea they even existed. When > I wrote Calvary them about getting the information, etc., they wrote and told > me what the search would cost. I paid over $100, can't remember now, as > there were 4 graves with quite a few people buried him them. I am still looking > for the connection between my family name and two children what are buried > there by names I don't recognize. I assume they were married names and > somehow related to the family. I also had two graves searched in Greenwood Cemetery > in Brooklyn. For me the searches were worth every cent of the cost because > I was only expecting to find my grandparents and a few aunts and uncles in > the graves. I was able to turn up many children from both my grandparent's > families that I would never have known about. Although the last names were > spelled differently, I could usually tell who they were. I'm also not sure if > all the misspelled names are the cemetery's fault. It seems that the names I'm > researching, at least several of them, are misspelled from one certificate > to another. These are Italian names and not that common. As frustrating as it > is to be given the wrong spelling or a "not" found, I'm not sure if there > is any thing we can do about that. Does anyone have a suggestion? I know that > at the time I used them, I believe they were filed by burial date (Calvary) > and not name. I guess once they get a burial date they can check the plot > for others. Greenwood is online now, but I originally wrote to them and said > I was looking for a great grandfather who died and left my great grandmother > a widow and I gave them the timeframe when I thought the death occurred. > They did find it for me and sent me the cost for the search. They were very > helpful and I feel very fortunate now when I think of what might have > happened. I had over a page of burials. > > To sum it up for new researches, keep trying. If not again now, at a later > time. Also, if you have a death certificate number you can get copies of > certificates for $2 each from the LSD Library. I've gotten many by first > getting the numbers from the Italian Genealogy Research Site (not just for Italian > names) and then sending for them at the LDS. I've also done this with birth > and marriage certificates. Up until then I was paying for one at a time from > NYC and it was costing a fortune. > > Good luck everyone, > > Dee (Wishing I was in NY doing research!) > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 18:12:56 -0400 > From: spille2@webtv.net (Marge Spille) > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] A word...about researching calvary or other > cemeteries > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV16AA1D0CF2C132DD09C6BE48C0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > > Hi List, > > Does anyone that lives in NYC ever go to the National Archives. I am > searching for a marriage and need a lookup on the "New York Stete Vital > Record" film There are only 3 vp[ord of this films, NY State Library in > Albany, Rochester Puvlic Lirary and the Northeast National Archies. I > have used all other methods to find this record. If anyone plans a trip > to any of these locations and would be willng to do a lookup please let > me know. > > Marge > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list administrator, send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY mailing list, send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 98 > **************************************************

Also, if you have a death certificate number you can get copies of certificates for $2 each from the LSD Library. I've gotten many by first getting the numbers from the Italian Genealogy Research Site (not just for Italian names) and then sending for them at the LDS. I've also done this with birth and marriage certificates. Up until then I was paying for one at a time from NYC and it was costing a fortune. Dee, I went off to the the LDS Family History Center today to order up some copies of Death Certs & Marriage Lics, etc. When I asked them about this $2 service they looked at me like I was speaking Serbian. They went and got the General Manager & he said there is no such service except for English records...I went to the Temple in Oakland, CA. which is a huge operation. If this service is available, who do we contact & what is the name of the service? Are there special forms that need to be filled out? I order lots of stuff from NYC & this would be a great help in keeping the costs down. Thanks Frank McCullough California LookingBack45@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 10/31/2007 5:06:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >catherine.windsor@gmail.com writes: > >Also we are paying a fee, which is fine >but they should be more careful. I did not pay the perpetual care. > > > >================== > >I had forgotten about them asking for perpetual care. I didn't pay >either....I couldn't afford it. As I said in one of my other post, I did consider my >experience good, yet many of the same things happened to me with names, etc. >I started out with some very old receipts for the graves which had the name >of the person buying them and the date, Abt 1900 and on. These came to me >when an older relative passed away and I had no idea they even existed. When >I wrote Calvary them about getting the information, etc., they wrote and told >me what the search would cost. I paid over $100, can't remember now, as >there were 4 graves with quite a few people buried him them. I am still looking >for the connection between my family name and two children what are buried >there by names I don't recognize. I assume they were married names and >somehow related to the family. I also had two graves searched in Greenwood Cemetery > in Brooklyn. For me the searches were worth every cent of the cost because >I was only expecting to find my grandparents and a few aunts and uncles in >the graves. I was able to turn up many children from both my grandparent's >families that I would never have known about. Although the last names were >spelled differently, I could usually tell who they were. I'm also not sure if >all the misspelled names are the cemetery's fault. It seems that the names I'm >researching, at least several of them, are misspelled from one certificate >to another. These are Italian names and not that common. As frustrating as it >is to be given the wrong spelling or a "not" found, I'm not sure if there >is any thing we can do about that. Does anyone have a suggestion? I know that >at the time I used them, I believe they were filed by burial date (Calvary) >and not name. I guess once they get a burial date they can check the plot >for others. Greenwood is online now, but I originally wrote to them and said >I was looking for a great grandfather who died and left my great grandmother >a widow and I gave them the timeframe when I thought the death occurred. >They did find it for me and sent me the cost for the search. They were very >helpful and I feel very fortunate now when I think of what might have >happened. I had over a page of burials. > >To sum it up for new researches, keep trying. If not again now, at a later >time. Also, if you have a death certificate number you can get copies of >certificates for $2 each from the LSD Library. I've gotten many by first >getting the numbers from the Italian Genealogy Research Site (not just for Italian >names) and then sending for them at the LDS. I've also done this with birth >and marriage certificates. Up until then I was paying for one at a time from >NYC and it was costing a fortune. > >Good luck everyone, > >Dee (Wishing I was in NY doing research!) > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I had a very positive experience recently with St. Michael's cemetery in Queens. I called with the burial date for one relative and they gave me the grave location and also the names and burial dates of two additional people buried in that specific grave. That was enough to let me find the wife in the SSDI and request her application which will give me her maiden name, so the one call netted me the information I really needed and at no cost . Interestingly, that grave is apparently located in a larger multigrave "family" plot and they would not give me the names of those in the other individual graves because the Surname differed and so they might not be related to me, I think that is a reasonable respect for privacy. They said however if I find more related people likely to be buried there to call and if so they'll give me the information.The staff member was incredibly patient and helpful. I suspect that the plot may belong to this bride's family, when I have her Maiden name I'll try again. I'm also sure they have more information such as ages and dates of death informant on my family members but it is not in that particular ledger and there may be a charge to access it. Of course there may also be headstones with lots of information and eventually I will probably visit. If anyone happens to be planning a visit to St. Michael's and could check for me I'd be willing to trade look ups at the FHL in Salt Lake City.:-) GMcC NJ ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi List, Does anyone that lives in NYC ever go to the National Archives. I am searching for a marriage and need a lookup on the "New York Stete Vital Record" film There are only 3 vp[ord of this films, NY State Library in Albany, Rochester Puvlic Lirary and the Northeast National Archies. I have used all other methods to find this record. If anyone plans a trip to any of these locations and would be willng to do a lookup please let me know. Marge

In a message dated 10/31/2007 5:06:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, catherine.windsor@gmail.com writes: Also we are paying a fee, which is fine but they should be more careful. I did not pay the perpetual care. ================== I had forgotten about them asking for perpetual care. I didn't pay either....I couldn't afford it. As I said in one of my other post, I did consider my experience good, yet many of the same things happened to me with names, etc. I started out with some very old receipts for the graves which had the name of the person buying them and the date, Abt 1900 and on. These came to me when an older relative passed away and I had no idea they even existed. When I wrote Calvary them about getting the information, etc., they wrote and told me what the search would cost. I paid over $100, can't remember now, as there were 4 graves with quite a few people buried him them. I am still looking for the connection between my family name and two children what are buried there by names I don't recognize. I assume they were married names and somehow related to the family. I also had two graves searched in Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn. For me the searches were worth every cent of the cost because I was only expecting to find my grandparents and a few aunts and uncles in the graves. I was able to turn up many children from both my grandparent's families that I would never have known about. Although the last names were spelled differently, I could usually tell who they were. I'm also not sure if all the misspelled names are the cemetery's fault. It seems that the names I'm researching, at least several of them, are misspelled from one certificate to another. These are Italian names and not that common. As frustrating as it is to be given the wrong spelling or a "not" found, I'm not sure if there is any thing we can do about that. Does anyone have a suggestion? I know that at the time I used them, I believe they were filed by burial date (Calvary) and not name. I guess once they get a burial date they can check the plot for others. Greenwood is online now, but I originally wrote to them and said I was looking for a great grandfather who died and left my great grandmother a widow and I gave them the timeframe when I thought the death occurred. They did find it for me and sent me the cost for the search. They were very helpful and I feel very fortunate now when I think of what might have happened. I had over a page of burials. To sum it up for new researches, keep trying. If not again now, at a later time. Also, if you have a death certificate number you can get copies of certificates for $2 each from the LSD Library. I've gotten many by first getting the numbers from the Italian Genealogy Research Site (not just for Italian names) and then sending for them at the LDS. I've also done this with birth and marriage certificates. Up until then I was paying for one at a time from NYC and it was costing a fortune. Good luck everyone, Dee (Wishing I was in NY doing research!) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Liz, I agree. I wasted more than a year trying to find my grandfather. Two years prior I asked about a family member with date. They told me they had a Mary Falsey, but the age didn't agree to the one I was looking for.. I didn't pursue it. A year later I found a will in the historical papers for my grandmother Mary Reddy. Same date so I wrote again. They sent me notice they had someone buried there with that name and requested, I believe $44.00 - this depends on the amount of people buried in grave. It was not the Mary they told me about originally. They sent me the list of people buried in the two graves and requested $1,725 for perpetual care. They had all my family including both Mary's but did have an Arthur Radrake (sp). I did not know him and my grandfather's name was missing. After a year I finally got to the Cemetery and my grandfather's name was listed on the tombstone. I called and questioned Arthur's name and they told me it was an error they copied the wrong name. I know it is hard to read the microfische but it had for us who are trying to find where our family is buried. That was two errors on their part. Also we are paying a fee, which is fine but they should be more careful. I did not pay the peretual care. Catherine On 10/26/07, Liz Haren <lizharen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Earlier in the week I called Calvary Cemetery to see if my GGGF was > buried in that cemetery. I gave the date of burial, the works. The > woman checked and came back on the phone telling me he's not buried in > Calvary. I checked 4 other cemeteries to find out where he could be > buried and was left scratching my head as all turned up empty. > Something told me to check Calvary one more time and sure enough this > new person I spoke to found it! I told her how the other person > managed to miss it and thanked her for doing a good job. > > So the moral to the story is to not take no for an answer from Calvary. > > Liz > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thankss for checking out George Evesson. Erin from this list found him in New Jersey. Thanks to all that took the time to look. Marge

Found in Jersey City, Ward 11, Hudson, New Jersey (Make sure you go to the end of the e-mail): Name: George V George V <HLT>Evesson Age in 1910: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Birthplace: New Jersey Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: New Jersey Mother's Birth Place: New York Spouse's name: Anna Home in 1910: Jersey City Ward 11, Hudson, New Jersey Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age George V Evesson 41 Anna Evesson 41 George Evesson 4 Francis Evesson 1 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

I searched the 1910 census but nothing came up for him. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Thank you, thank you, thank you. JC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank McCullough" <frank@ap.net> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Fw: [IRISH-NYC > Edith & Marion...both born Virginia > > At Sheltering Arms > 504-530 W. 129th St. > Manhattan > > > Frank McCullough > California > > > JC wrote: > >>Hi List, >> If anyone has time could you please check the NY 1900 CENSUS for a Edith >>Crossman age 13and her sister, Marion Crossman age 11... I know they are >>in >>the 1900 census; however, I am looking for the address where they were >>living as I believe it to be an orphanage or home for young women. >> >>If I can locate this institution's address, I may be able to find their >>niece and nephew, Edith May Maguire born 8/12/1902 and Robert Maguire born >>12/21/04 who may have been placed there in 1913 or shortly thereafter. >> >> >>Thanking you in advance. JC >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List, If anyone has time could you please check the NY 1900 CENSUS for a Edith Crossman age 13and her sister, Marion Crossman age 11... I know they are in the 1900 census; however, I am looking for the address where they were living as I believe it to be an orphanage or home for young women. If I can locate this institution's address, I may be able to find their niece and nephew, Edith May Maguire born 8/12/1902 and Robert Maguire born 12/21/04 who may have been placed there in 1913 or shortly thereafter. Thanking you in advance. JC To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message