There was no civil registration of births in Ireland until 1864. There was no civil registration of marriages until 1864 except for Church of Ireland marriages. So it's very likely you will have to rely on church records. Microfilm copies of nearly all Roman Catholic marriage and baptismal registers are held at the National Library of Ireland in Dublin. Those from all but one diocese, I believe, are available for viewing. Few if any are indexed. They are not available online. If you know the Catholic parish it may take only an hour or two at the NLI to find the data; if you don't it could take a very long time. The Family History Library in Salt Lake City has microfilms of the registers of some Roman Catholic parishes. Copies are viewable at Family History Centres. Check the FHL holdings to see if they have your parishes of interest. Sean On 5/16/06, Tim Brooke <tim.brooke@fabermusic.com> wrote: > Many belated thanks to all who have assisted me in tracking down John and > Mary. It is much appreciated! > > If I could persist for a moment longer, does anyone know how I would go > about tracking down Patrick Carney (b c1861) in Ireland, possibly it seems > in Killucan and Ballinameen (Roscommon)? If I can find the Patrick's birth > certificate establishing parnets as John Carney and Mary Riley then it would > be a major breakthrough and one of my relatives would surely jump on the > next plane to Knock! Alternatively the marriage of John and Mary c 1860. > Does anyone knwo where the records are held for such things? > > best wishes > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Josephy [mailto:walterjosephy@shaw.ca] > Sent: 11 May 2006 16:13 > To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > > Yes, you've made some progress and that's always good! > Susan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:47 AM > Subject: RE: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > > > Many thanks Susan, > > > > I actually already have Mary's maiden name. It is RILEY. So Bridget KELLY > > was a RILEY before her marriage. Bridget was a widow in 1871, yes. She > > must > > be the sister of Mary, as her relationship to John is sister in law. > > Though > > there again she could have been a KELLY who married a CARNEY brother of > > John's and reverted back to her maiden name when she was widowed. This > > latter scenario is less liely I think. > > > > So as I see it there are 2 avenues open for exploration: John and Mary's > > marriage c 1860 or so, or Patrick's birth c 1861. Given the use for family > > names it's quite likely presumably that Patrick would have been named > > after > > John or Mary's father, or grandfather.... > > > > from MaryPat's email the other day two of the possibilities for John and > > Mary were from the same place, making them very likely candidates as they > > didn't often marry outisde their immediate circle.. > > > > CARNY, Joannem Christening > > Gender: Male > > Christening Date: 29 May 1841 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, > > Roscommon, Ireland > > Collection: Roman Catholic > > Father: Michaelis CARNY > > Mother: Annae BEIRNE > > Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 > > > > REILY, Mariam Christening > > Gender: Female > > Christening Date: 9 Mar 1842 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, > > Roscommon, Ireland > > Collection: Roman Catholic > > Father: Joannis REILY > > Mother: Brigidae BERMINGHAM > > Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 > > > > > > All very interesting and tantalising!! > > > > Tim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Walter Josephy [mailto:walterjosephy@shaw.ca] > > Sent: 10 May 2006 20:03 > > To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > > > > > Hello Tim, > > I sent an image of the 1871 English Census off list to you, but in the > > interests of everyone seeing it, I have transcribed it below: > > > > Andrew Carney 1863 Batley, Yorks > > John Carney 1843 Ireland Labourer > > Mary Carney 1845 Ireland > > Mary Carney 1870 Batley, Yorks > > Michael Carney 1867 Batley, Yorks > > Patrick Carney 1861 Ireland > > Bridget Kelly 1841 Sister in Law Ireland rag picker > > James Kelly 1861 Nephew Ireland. > > > > So, there you have it, they came to Yorkshire sometime between the birth > > of > > Patrick (1861) and the birth of Andrew (1863). I think a useful thing to > > do > > now would be to go onto FreeBMD and find the GRO reference for the birth > > of > > Andrew. Then order the cert from the GRO. That will give you Mary's maiden > > name. > > > > Plus, you now have the extra info of Bridget Kelly and James Kelly. I > > can't > > remember if Bridget is a widow or not, you can check when you get the > > image. > > > > She may be either a sister of John or of Mary or she may be the wife/widow > > of a brother of Mary. A bit more investigation will reveal which one. Of > > course, if you get Mary's maiden name, and you find it is Kelly, then it's > > > a > > > > very good chance she was married to a brother of Mary. On the other hand, > > she may be Mary's sister, who had a child out of wedlock. 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