Yes, you've made some progress and that's always good! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:47 AM Subject: RE: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > Many thanks Susan, > > I actually already have Mary's maiden name. It is RILEY. So Bridget KELLY > was a RILEY before her marriage. Bridget was a widow in 1871, yes. She > must > be the sister of Mary, as her relationship to John is sister in law. > Though > there again she could have been a KELLY who married a CARNEY brother of > John's and reverted back to her maiden name when she was widowed. This > latter scenario is less liely I think. > > So as I see it there are 2 avenues open for exploration: John and Mary's > marriage c 1860 or so, or Patrick's birth c 1861. Given the use for family > names it's quite likely presumably that Patrick would have been named > after > John or Mary's father, or grandfather.... > > from MaryPat's email the other day two of the possibilities for John and > Mary were from the same place, making them very likely candidates as they > didn't often marry outisde their immediate circle.. > > CARNY, Joannem Christening > Gender: Male > Christening Date: 29 May 1841 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, > Roscommon, Ireland > Collection: Roman Catholic > Father: Michaelis CARNY > Mother: Annae BEIRNE > Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 > > REILY, Mariam Christening > Gender: Female > Christening Date: 9 Mar 1842 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, > Roscommon, Ireland > Collection: Roman Catholic > Father: Joannis REILY > Mother: Brigidae BERMINGHAM > Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 > > > All very interesting and tantalising!! > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Josephy [mailto:walterjosephy@shaw.ca] > Sent: 10 May 2006 20:03 > To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > > Hello Tim, > I sent an image of the 1871 English Census off list to you, but in the > interests of everyone seeing it, I have transcribed it below: > > Andrew Carney 1863 Batley, Yorks > John Carney 1843 Ireland Labourer > Mary Carney 1845 Ireland > Mary Carney 1870 Batley, Yorks > Michael Carney 1867 Batley, Yorks > Patrick Carney 1861 Ireland > Bridget Kelly 1841 Sister in Law Ireland rag picker > James Kelly 1861 Nephew Ireland. > > So, there you have it, they came to Yorkshire sometime between the birth > of > Patrick (1861) and the birth of Andrew (1863). I think a useful thing to > do > now would be to go onto FreeBMD and find the GRO reference for the birth > of > Andrew. Then order the cert from the GRO. That will give you Mary's maiden > name. > > Plus, you now have the extra info of Bridget Kelly and James Kelly. I > can't > remember if Bridget is a widow or not, you can check when you get the > image. > > She may be either a sister of John or of Mary or she may be the wife/widow > of a brother of Mary. A bit more investigation will reveal which one. Of > course, if you get Mary's maiden name, and you find it is Kelly, then it's > a > > very good chance she was married to a brother of Mary. On the other hand, > she may be Mary's sister, who had a child out of wedlock. Many > possibilities. > > I am now going to try, on the off chance, for the same people on the 1861 > census, in case Patrick was born earlier in the year in Ireland, and then > they moved to England that same year. > > Susan > Canada > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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