I want to thank everyone who helped me both on the list and off list. With your help, I not only found the birth of John Connor (O'Connor) but his marriage to Jane Cox. I sent for the marriage. Hopefully it will give me a townland in County Tipperary. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Personally I prefer ordering BMD certificates online from the GRO. It's easy, not that expensive, and fast. Usually they arrive in the mail within 10 days - nice and flat, not folded. If you have the GRO reference information (district, book, page), the cost is 7 GBP, standard service; 23 GBP priority (not worth it in my mind!). If you don't have the GRO reference, it's 11.50 GBP because they'll have to search. Since you said you found one on Ancestry, then you have the GRO reference information needed to get the certificate for 7 GBP. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp#0 You will need to register first. The rest is easy - it walks you through everything. There are probably other ways, but for me, this is the most reliable, the easiest, and the quickest. As far as the marriage, have you checked FreeBMD for a marriage match? You can enter the surnames of both parties and see what comes up. Not knowing John's surname, I looked for any marriages of a Jane COX with a John ___ in Derbyshire, and only two came up - 1882 and 1902 - too late to be yours. But FreeBMD is not complete, and of course I only looked in one county. They could have married somewhere else. http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Kathy Orlando, FL (with ancestors from upstate NY as well) ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> Date: Monday, December 5, 2005 12:47 pm Subject: [UK-Irish] O'Connor, Connor, Connors > I just found my ggrandfather's brother, John in the England 1871 > census > living with his wife and 1 year old daugher in Wavertree, > Lancashire > which is just East of Liverpool. They had another baby in England > in > 1872 and a baby in the USA in late 1873/early 1874. I found them > in the > 1875 New York State census in Troy NY where my ggrandfather and > their > father were living. > > I would like to obtain the birth certs for the two daughters born > in > England. I found the first listed in Ancestry as having been filed > in > the district of West Derby in the Sept quarter of 1870. What's the > easiest, quickest and cheapest way of going about obtain the birth > certs? > Also, wife, Jane Cox was also born in Ireland but I don't know if > they > married in Ireland or in England. How would I go about searching > out > this if they married in England? Thanks for all the help anyone > can > give me. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > To unsub or change your subscription: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Pat, I know someone in England that does this for us in the US. If you are still interested please let me know and I will pass along his web site and email address. I have used his service for a few years. If he isn't on holiday, he works really fast, mostly about a week. I'm not at my computer, but will be later and have the information. Thanks, Bob Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: I just found my ggrandfather's brother, John in the England 1871 census living with his wife and 1 year old daugher in Wavertree, Lancashire which is just East of Liverpool. They had another baby in England in 1872 and a baby in the USA in late 1873/early 1874. I found them in the 1875 New York State census in Troy NY where my ggrandfather and their father were living. I would like to obtain the birth certs for the two daughters born in England. I found the first listed in Ancestry as having been filed in the district of West Derby in the Sept quarter of 1870. What's the easiest, quickest and cheapest way of going about obtain the birth certs? Also, wife, Jane Cox was also born in Ireland but I don't know if they married in Ireland or in England. How would I go about searching out this if they married in England? Thanks for all the help anyone can give me. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== To unsub or change your subscription: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Confusingly, the West Derby registration district was in Lancashire not Derbyshire. It included what's now part of Liverpool. See: http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/lan.htm When the incomplete Free BMD database (the Ancestry index is based on the FreeBMD database) doesn't have a match for the marriage, birth or death, you can see a complete index using 1837 online: http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/LogonServlet This is a pay per view service. Best wishes, Sean (Davis, California) On 12/5/05, KNEMARIC1@cfl.rr.com <KNEMARIC1@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > Personally I prefer ordering BMD certificates online from the GRO. It's > easy, not that expensive, and fast. Usually they arrive in the mail > within 10 days - nice and flat, not folded. > > If you have the GRO reference information (district, book, page), the > cost is 7 GBP, standard service; 23 GBP priority (not worth it in my mind!). > > If you don't have the GRO reference, it's 11.50 GBP because they'll have > to search. > > Since you said you found one on Ancestry, then you have the GRO > reference information needed to get the certificate for 7 GBP. > > http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp#0 > > You will need to register first. The rest is easy - it walks you through > everything. > > There are probably other ways, but for me, this is the most reliable, > the easiest, and the quickest. > > As far as the marriage, have you checked FreeBMD for a marriage match? > You can enter the surnames of both parties and see what comes up. > > Not knowing John's surname, I looked for any marriages of a Jane COX > with a John ___ in Derbyshire, and only two came up - 1882 and 1902 - > too late to be yours. But FreeBMD is not complete, and of course I only > looked in one county. They could have married somewhere else. > > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl > > Kathy > Orlando, FL > (with ancestors from upstate NY as well) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> > Date: Monday, December 5, 2005 12:47 pm > Subject: [UK-Irish] O'Connor, Connor, Connors > > > I just found my ggrandfather's brother, John in the England 1871 > > census > > living with his wife and 1 year old daugher in Wavertree, > > Lancashire > > which is just East of Liverpool. They had another baby in England > > in > > 1872 and a baby in the USA in late 1873/early 1874. I found them > > in the > > 1875 New York State census in Troy NY where my ggrandfather and > > their > > father were living. > > > > I would like to obtain the birth certs for the two daughters born > > in > > England. I found the first listed in Ancestry as having been filed > > in > > the district of West Derby in the Sept quarter of 1870. What's the > > easiest, quickest and cheapest way of going about obtain the birth > > certs? > > Also, wife, Jane Cox was also born in Ireland but I don't know if > > they > > married in Ireland or in England. How would I go about searching > > out > > this if they married in England? Thanks for all the help anyone > > can > > give me. > > > > -- > > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > > To unsub or change your subscription: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Thank you so much for your info, Kathy. While I had a problem navigating with the freebmd website at Rootsweb, I was able to find the marriage using Ancestry's (who use the rootsweb site). I ordered the marriage with ease at the GRO site. Thanks again. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I just found my ggrandfather's brother, John in the England 1871 census living with his wife and 1 year old daugher in Wavertree, Lancashire which is just East of Liverpool. They had another baby in England in 1872 and a baby in the USA in late 1873/early 1874. I found them in the 1875 New York State census in Troy NY where my ggrandfather and their father were living. I would like to obtain the birth certs for the two daughters born in England. I found the first listed in Ancestry as having been filed in the district of West Derby in the Sept quarter of 1870. What's the easiest, quickest and cheapest way of going about obtain the birth certs? Also, wife, Jane Cox was also born in Ireland but I don't know if they married in Ireland or in England. How would I go about searching out this if they married in England? Thanks for all the help anyone can give me. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

John HYLAND born circa 1830's, married circa 1850's, Mary or Maria Dwyer, MacQueen, Shaw, Urquhart, or Wallace. Resode 1860 McLean Co IL USA then 1870 Woodson Co KS USA. Any help out there? thanks in advance

SNIPPET: Co. Meath has much to offer in the way of history and archaeology, but it is half forgotten by people who comes to Ireland for the scenery. Mountainless, and with only a few miles of coastline, it compensates by offering lazy rivers and lush green pastures, spectacular hills and valleys with remarkable rock formations. Its gardens are equal to the best in any Irish county. There is a grandeur of the 12th century castle at Trim (said to be the finest anywhere in Ireland!) with an outstanding collection of craft work offered to visitors. Wandering around the town (which has retained its delightful medieval plan of narrow winding streets) you will discover charming 18th and 19th century town houses, shops, good food and a splendid pub where you can eat and drink overlooking the waters of the River Boyne as it flows beneath one of the oldest bridges in Ireland - so old that it has gothic arches rather than the round-topped ones that were seen from the 17th century onwards. The ancient bridge still carries traffic. Butterstream Gardens has been transformed from a few acres of pasture with a small stream and magnificent ancient willow trees due to the efforts of a dedicated, self-confessed amateur gardener named Jim REYNOLDS. This gentleman has worked to create more than a dozen contrasting and colorful gardens within a small space over a period of many years which are separated from each other by hedges of Beech, Yew and Hawthorn. Athboy has a tree-shaded village green. The town of Oldcastle, surrounding its church, has a scene of pastoral beauty. In Co. Meath you will hear skylarks singing overhead, feast your eyes on expanses of rolling green hillsides and brilliant yellow gorse bushes and enjoy time spent at Lough Bane. The Loughcrew Cairns and Historic Gardens are a must. The gardens have traces of 17th century garden planning and ancient Yew trees; the demesne was once the property of the PLUNKETT family and the childhood home of its most distinguished member, the 17th century Oliver, archbishop, martyr and saint. It has been the property of the NAPER family since the 17th century, and Charles and Emily NAPER in 1997, set to work to create a new garden amongst the remnants of the old, which appeared in the Nov/Dec 2001 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine. Old buildings are being restored. The great classical house built in 1823 was burned at least three times, the last fire in the 1960s destroying it. Some of the stonework is being re-erected to form an ornamental feature. The oldest part of the demesne, an earthen mound created by Anglo-Norman invaders, has been planted with daffodils and heelbores. There is an extraordinary complex nearby hill-top cairns, standing stones, ring forts and ancient dwellings if you follow the sign to the passage grave cemetery at Carnblane East, standing at the summit of the long ridge called Slieve na Calliage - the Hag's Mountain. There are many Loughcrew cairns, and although small you will have the entire hilltop to yourself to spend as long as you like on the site. Newgrange and Knowth, in the Boyne Valley, some miles away, have more splendid examples of Stone-Age monuments with tour guides and information. Lough Lene, in neighboring Westmeath, proudly holds the Blue Flag for the purity of its waters.

This if from John Grenham's, Tracing Your Irish Ancestors, 1st Edition. 1641 Book of Survey and Distribution 1654 Civil Survey 1659 Pender's Census 1663 Hearth Money Roll (partial) 1775-1835 Schools of Kildare and Leighlin 1798 List of thos who suffered loss in 1798 Rebellion 1820s-30s Tithe books 1831 Kilcullen, Protestant returns, 19th century census returns 1837 Registered voters 1840 Castledermott and Moone 1851 Griffith's Valuation 1901 Census 1911 Census The above sources are either in books or microfilmed. Most are at the National Library of Ireland in Dublin. Many have been filmed by the LDS Family History Library. You can check for them here: http://www.familysearch.org -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Don't forget to periodically check Jean McCarthy's website for this index, she adds continually and is almost through the C's now. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I heard a bird sing In the dark of December A magical thing And sweet to remember. "We are nearer to Spring Than we were in September," I heard a bird sing In the dark of December. -- Oliver Herford In old England sprays of holly were placed on the hives to wish the bees a Merry Christmas. And the bees were said to hum a carol in honour of the Christ Child. The ceremonial Christmas drink in England was once lamb's wool: a mixture of hot ale, sugar, spices, eggs and roasted apples. Thick cream was some- times added. It was served in a wassail bowl with pieces of toast floated on top. Hence, the origin of the drinking toast. The stable is a Prince's courte, The cribb His chaire of State; The beastes are parcell of His pompe, The wodden dishe His plate. -- Robert Southwell Candle, candle, Burning bright On our window sill tonight, Like the shining Christmas star Guilding shepherds From afar, Lead some weary Traveler here, That he may share Our Christmas cheer. -- Isabel Shaw -- Excerpts, Reader's Digest Book of Christmas (1973)

Hi Bridie and Jean R. Sorry for the delay in sending you both a big thank you for the information re FOY/GORMAN. Have had a double virus, plus some spyware on my cp and could do nothing. Hopefully everything has been done away with and I can continue my searches. The information from you both is invaluable and will now take action to further my looking for family ...... Regards with thanks. Margaret NJ USA tootsfoyward@yahoo.com

THE ONLY CHILD Lest he miss other children, lo! His angel is his playfellow. A riotous angel two years old, With wings of rose and curls of gold. There on the nursery floor together They play when it is rainy weather, Building brick castles with much pain, Only to knock them down again. Two golden heads together look An hour long o'er a picture-book, Or, tired of being good and still, They play at horses with good will. And when the boy laughs you shall hear Another laughter silver-clear, Sweeter than music of the skies, Or harps, or birds of Paradise. Two golden heads one pillow press, Two rosebuds shut for heaviness. The wings of one are round the other Lest chill befall his tender brother. All day, with forethought mild and grave, The little angel's quick to save. And still outruns with tender haste The adventurous feet that go too fast. From draughts, from fire, from cold and stings Wraps him within his gauzy wings And knows his father's pride, and shares His happy mother's tears and prayers. -- Katharine TYNAN was born in Dublin in 1861 and lived in both Ireland and London. She married Henry Albert HINKSON, a lawyer and novelist. Katharine authored more than 100 novels, several books of poety and a five-volume autobiography.

The Ireland GenWeb County Mayo website has been updated. A webpage for the civil parish of Turlough has been added, as have webpages for each of the townlands included in the civil parish. Webpages for the following town(land)s have either been add or updated: Attiappleton, Ballingarden, Ballinvoash, Ballyart, Ballygarriff, Ballyguin, Bellanierin, Boyogonnell, Bunduvowen, Capparanny, Cappavicar North & South, Carrowkeel, Carrowmacloughlin, Cashel Lower & Upper, Turlough, Toomore East & West, Park, Derryhick, Lack East & West, Crumlin, Callycastle Town, Behy, Cong Town, Westport Town, Tristia (Mount Jubilee), Cauran Lower & Upper, Cloghadockan, Clogher, Cloonkesh, Cloonagleragh, Cloontubbrid, Commauns, Conloon, Crillawn, Cunnagher North & South, Derreens, Derrylahan, Derrynacross, Derrynamuck, Derryvulcaun, Drumdaff, Erriff, Fisherhill, Freaghillan, Garraghill, Gort, Gortnafolla, Greenans, Illanee, Illangub, Illanneill, Illanulque, Killard, Knockaglana, Knockanour, Largan, Laughil, Leckneen, Levallinree, Loosky Island, Lugganashlere, Luggavaddoge, Meelick, Monumentpark, Muckanagh, Oughterard, Rockfield, Ross East & West, Sallagher, Shanvoley, Sheeans, Sranalee, Tawnylaheen, Treanybrogaun, Shinnagh, Tawnykinaff, Tawnyshane, Doohooma, Gortfahy. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald's research for the Turough Civil Parish/Parke RC Parish has also been added. If you have comments, additions, corrections, etc. to the website, please contact me off this mailing list. You can check out the website at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/mayo/index.htm -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi Margaret, Thanks for sharing that wonderful bit of ephemera. While I haven't found anything on that particular poem - on a check for the phrase "darling of Fame," it does appear to be a phrase that appeared in circa 1830s literature read around the world. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Malloy" <vdamore@frontiernet.net> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: [UK-Irish] Irish Poetry-Killaloe Poem > Thank you, Jean, for all the poetry. > You've inspired me to add my own contribution. > > The following is a poem I found, hand written in a box of family > papers going back to the 1830s. I have no idea of who wrote it, > copied it or sent it (the back of the sheet is addressed to my great > great great grandfather, Matthew Guinane, Killaloe, Ballina, > Tipperary, Ireland) > > This is my title and transcription. Bits of the paper are missing or > the ink is smudged so anything in () is my best guess. > > Killaloe Poem > > As I was (a)musing one night in me Shame > > Of that beautiful Erin the darling of Fame > > Assisted me to write something ancient and true > > Of that royal and beautiful town Killaloe > > First came the Shannon most glorious to see > > Excelling all others in every degree > > Where steamboats and shipping > > Appear in full view > > And the Grand Canal flowing > > Through sweet Killaloe > > How on lovely Shannon of Erin the pride > > Where castles romantic and woods on each side > > Where Islands and forests ( ) in full view > > Shure the city of Dublin can't match Killaloe > > As for fishing and fowling and music so sweet > > And carriages rolling through every street > > Eternally blessed with the sweet mountain view > > As it flows like the ocean through sweet Killaloe > > S(uc)h ( ) St. Patrick how glorious to meet > > And if I was (analive) I would well explore > > Of the places around I would have said more > > So fill up a bumper and give it its due > > There is no place in the world can equal Killaloe > > At least two of Matthew's sons spent some time in the Gold Fields of > Ballarat, Victoria, Australia in the 1860s-1880s so I guess one of > them might have sent it, though the handwriting doesn't match the one > son whose handwriting I have elsewhere. > > Has anyone ever come across anything like this? > >

"The following afternoon we went riding. I had never been on a horse before. To me the animal smelt of the leather trade. I was surprised to find that horses are warm. I gripped the reins as if they were a life line; I was jellied and bumped by its extraordinary movement. The party began to canter and I was tossed in the air and I got a fixed smile on my face. We arrived in a field to try some jumps. A wicked old trainer shouted bits of advice. I went over one or two gaps and arrived, surprised and askew, but still up. So they tried some more difficult jumps. The party hung about waiting for the slaughter. The animal rose, I fell on its neck, but I did not come off. The stakes were raised; at the next jump the horse and I went to different parts of the sky. I was in the mud. I got up and apologized to the horse, which turned its head away. Afterwards we walked and trotted home; it seemed to take hours. Back in the house, I felt someone had put planks on my legs and turned my! buttocks into wooden boxes. So my life as an Irish sportsman and country gentleman came to an end. Still, I had stayed with a baronet. I was snobbish enough to be pleased by that. I like curious clothes. Back in Dublin, I stayed in my riding breeches, bought at a cheap shop in Dublin, and wore them for weeks after, as an enjoyable symbol of the Irish habit of life, until someone tactfully suggested I looked like a stable boy." -- V. S. Pritchett, "Midnight Oil," 1971

Thank you, Jean, for all the poetry. You've inspired me to add my own contribution. The following is a poem I found, hand written in a box of family papers going back to the 1830s. I have no idea of who wrote it, copied it or sent it (the back of the sheet is addressed to my great great great grandfather, Matthew Guinane, Killaloe, Ballina, Tipperary, Ireland) This is my title and transcription. Bits of the paper are missing or the ink is smudged so anything in () is my best guess. Killaloe Poem As I was (a)musing one night in me Shame Of that beautiful Erin the darling of Fame Assisted me to write something ancient and true Of that royal and beautiful town Killaloe First came the Shannon most glorious to see Excelling all others in every degree Where steamboats and shipping Appear in full view And the Grand Canal flowing Through sweet Killaloe How on lovely Shannon of Erin the pride Where castles romantic and woods on each side Where Islands and forests ( ) in full view Shure the city of Dublin can't match Killaloe As for fishing and fowling and music so sweet And carriages rolling through every street Eternally blessed with the sweet mountain view As it flows like the ocean through sweet Killaloe S(uc)h ( ) St. Patrick how glorious to meet And if I was (analive) I would well explore Of the places around I would have said more So fill up a bumper and give it its due There is no place in the world can equal Killaloe At least two of Matthew's sons spent some time in the Gold Fields of Ballarat, Victoria, Australia in the 1860s-1880s so I guess one of them might have sent it, though the handwriting doesn't match the one son whose handwriting I have elsewhere. Has anyone ever come across anything like this?

Many thanks for your constant stream of meaty contributions to this list, Pat. Paddy -----Original Message----- From: IRISH-IN-UK-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:IRISH-IN-UK-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Connors Sent: 28 November 2005 19:56 To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [UK-Irish] Census returns and substitutes for County Kilkenny From John Grenham's, Tracing Your Irish Ancestors, 1st edition Census returns and substitues: 1641 Book of Survey and Distribution 1654 Civil Survey, Vol. VI, Kilkenny City 1659 Pender's Census 1664 Hearth Money Rolls, parishes of Agherney, Aghavillar, Bellaghtobin, Belline, Burnchurch, Callan, Castleinch, Clone, Coolaghmore, Coolcashin, Danganmore, Derrinahinch, Dunkitt, Earlstown, Eyverk, Fartagh, Inishnagg and Stonecarthy, Jerpoint, Kells, Kilbeacon and Killahy, Kilcolm, Kilferagh, Kilkredy, Killamery, Killaloe, Killree, Kilmoganny, Kiltackaholme, Knocktopher and Kilkerchill, Muckalee and Lismatgue, Outrath, Ratbach, Rathpatrick, Tullaghanbrogue, Tullaghmaine, Urlingfort 1684-1769 Registers of Kilkenny College 1702 Partial lists, St Mary's and St Canice's parishes, Kilkenny City 1715 Protestant males between 16 and 60 in St John's parish, Kilkenny City 1750-1844 Inistiogue emigrants in Newfoundland 1775 Landowners 1785-1879 Kilkenny city deeds 1797 Chief Catholic inhabitants, Parishes of Graguenamanagh and Knocktopher 1809-19 Freeholders 1811-58 Registers and Accounts of St Keran's College 1821 Extracts from 1821 census, parishes of Aglish, Clonmore, Fiddown, Kilmocow, Polerone, Rathkyran, Whitechurch 1820s/30s Tithe Books 1831 Extracts from 1831 census, parishes of Aglish, Clonmore, Kilmacow, Polerone, Rathkyran, Tybroghney 1841 Extracts from 1841 census, parishes of Aglish and Rathkyran 1841 Townlands of Aglish and Portnahully, parish of Aglish 1849/50 Griffith's Valuation 1851 Parish of Aglish 1850s Castlecomer assisted passages 1901 Census 1911 Census Most of the above can be found in books and/or film at the National Library of Ireland in Dublin. Also, much has been filmed by the LDS Family History Library. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Wow, That was well written and moving, wasn't it? Thank you so much for posting this poem. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: [UK-Irish] Ireland" -- Belfast-born John HEWITT (1907-1987) - Director Herbert Art Gallery/Museum, Coventry, England > IRELAND > > We Irish pride ourselves as patriots > and tell the beadroll of the valiant ones > since Clontarf's sunset saw the Norsemen broken... > Aye, and before that too we had our heroes: > but they were mighty fighters and victorious. > The later men got nothing save defeat, > hard transatlantic sidewalks or the scaffold... > > We Irish, vainer than tense Lucifer, > are yet content with half-a-dozen turf, > and cry our adoration for a bog, > rejoicing in the rain that never ceases, > and happy to stride over the sterile acres, > or stony hills that scarcely feed a sheep. > But we are fools, I say, are ignorant fools > to waste the spirit's warmth in this cold air, > to spend our wit and love and poetry > on a half-a-dozen peat and a black bog. > > We are not native here or anywhere. > We were the keltic wave that broke over Europe, > and ran up this bleak beach among these stones; > but when the tide ebbed, were left stranded here > in crevices, and ledge-protected pools > that have grown saltier with the drying up > of the great common flow that kept us sweet > with fresh cold draughts from deep down in the ocean. > > So we are bitter, and are dying out > in terrible harshness in this lonely place, > and what we think is love for usual rock, > or old affection for our customary ledge, > is but forgotten longing for the sea > that cries far out and calls us to partake > in his great tidal movements round the earth. > > -- John Hewitt (1907-1987), poet, critic, museum official, was born in > Belfast and educated at Methodist College and Queen's University. He > retired in 1972 from directing the Herbert Art Gallery and Museum in > Coventry, England. In this poem, Hewitt explores his relationship with his > harsh, lonely home. > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > To unsub or change your subscription: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

The Ireland Genealogy Projects, County Armagh website has been updated. The following new town(land) pages have been added or updated: Ballnagolan, Brootally, Camagh, Carrickabolie, Carryhugh, Cormeen, Dernalea, Derryhennet, Drumacanver, Drumgar, Drumgreenagh, Drumhirk, Farnaloy, Kilcreevy Etra & Otra, Derryhirk, Clare, Aughlish, Ballysheil More, Killyreavy, Knockrevan, Lisdrumbrughas, Lisglynn, Lissagally, Maddan, Maghery Kilcrany, Mowillin, Tamlaght, Tullycallidy, Tullyhirm, Roughan, Lislea, Listarkelt, Mullyard, Rowan, Tivnacree, Cargalisgorran, Crossbane, Crossreagh, Doohat, Drumherney, Drummeland, Drumnahavil, Fergot, Cordrummond. Also a new webpage for the Derrynoose Civil Parish has been added. If you have an requests, comments, additions and/or corrections to this site, please write me off list. You can find the website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm2/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com