Hello Fellow Researchers! I have been doing a lot of research on my Irish maternal line and found that all the branches of my tree lead to Donegal....I think. The first person on my tree, Thomas Adam Slater, came from Muff Parish, Drumskellan, Donegal County. Born in 1826, he left Ireland in 1851 on the Londonderry 6 out of Derry, to St. John, Canada. Eventually he and his brothers and sister (Andrew, John, James and Mary) settled in New Brunswick, in York County. Once in Canada, Thomas Adam Slater married Nancy Buchanan and they had several children. One of their kids, Thomas Clifford, married Nancy's niece Kate Buchanan. (nothing like keeping things in the family! :) So first cousins married here, as would others later on. [Mary Slater married a James Greer in Templemore, Londonderry and had children Thomas, Moses, John, and Robert. They would have come over to Canada after 1870, as their youngest child was born in Ireland in 1870. I have gotten quite a bit on the Greers, but any more info is welcome.] Mainly, I am looking for more info on the "Slaters of the Rock" as one person told me was the name for my family in that area. Were they farmers, masons? Not sure! Does anyone have access to records pertaining to that area, or graveyard info? ANY info would be so helpful to me!! I have heard there may be a Peggy or Alex Slater who may have info. I will take info from anyone at this point to continue my research. The brickwall begins and ends in Donegal it seems! I am willing to share any info on the Slaters in New Brunswick, Canada and the Greers in North Lake, York County, Canada with anyone. Thank you so much!! Joy

Hi again, I did check the 1861, but I believe (I could be wrong) that all the John Carneys in England at that date would be too young, and most of them would be "son" rather than "head" Looks like Patrick was born when John was 18. Not unless Patrick is Mary's son from a previous relationships. I see that on the 1871 census she gives her birthdate as 1845, yet I noticed you gave her birth date as 1841. Could be just a transcription error, but it could also be Mary trying to make herself younger. Susan

Hello Tim, I sent an image of the 1871 English Census off list to you, but in the interests of everyone seeing it, I have transcribed it below: Andrew Carney 1863 Batley, Yorks John Carney 1843 Ireland Labourer Mary Carney 1845 Ireland Mary Carney 1870 Batley, Yorks Michael Carney 1867 Batley, Yorks Patrick Carney 1861 Ireland Bridget Kelly 1841 Sister in Law Ireland rag picker James Kelly 1861 Nephew Ireland. So, there you have it, they came to Yorkshire sometime between the birth of Patrick (1861) and the birth of Andrew (1863). I think a useful thing to do now would be to go onto FreeBMD and find the GRO reference for the birth of Andrew. Then order the cert from the GRO. That will give you Mary's maiden name. Plus, you now have the extra info of Bridget Kelly and James Kelly. I can't remember if Bridget is a widow or not, you can check when you get the image. She may be either a sister of John or of Mary or she may be the wife/widow of a brother of Mary. A bit more investigation will reveal which one. Of course, if you get Mary's maiden name, and you find it is Kelly, then it's a very good chance she was married to a brother of Mary. On the other hand, she may be Mary's sister, who had a child out of wedlock. Many possibilities. I am now going to try, on the off chance, for the same people on the 1861 census, in case Patrick was born earlier in the year in Ireland, and then they moved to England that same year. Susan Canada

Thank you, Cyril... I have not yet determined if Patrick GREEN or William WALLACE also moved to England at the same time their children John GREEN and Mary WALLACE did. I will try and do that today, at least look through some census records, anyway. You asked if Patrick might have been Christened James Patrick, I do not know but of course it might be possible. One other thing that is slightly worrying... John GREEN's and Mary WALLACE's children's names... I wonder why none of them were named Patrick or William? I might have missed some, of course. I'll keep checking. You are right, I need to see if Patrick and William remained in Ireland. Thanks and I'll get on that! Sincerely, Susan in the beautiful Cariboo Country, British Columbia, Canada cloudy and cool > Hi Tim, > > There is no record in Griffiths' for a Patrick GREEN in Tuam, in fact > there > is only Patrick GREEN living in Galway and his is listed as living in the > Parish of Rahoon Co.Galway. > > There is a GREEN living in TUAM at the time of the Valuations 1848-64, > James GREEN, living in the Townland of Carracloon, in the Parish of Tuam. > In fact there are only 3 GREEN's living in Co. Galway at this time. > > (Could it possibly be that his father was Christened as James Patrick, > known > as Patrick?). This might account for him saying he was from Tuam? > > I have only one WALLACE, James living on the Galway Road, in the Parish of > Tuam, Co. Galway. > There are only 5 William WALLACE'S living in Co. Galway at the time of the > Valuations. > 1 in (Parishes only, although I do have the Townlands), Ballynakill, > Belclare, Inishmore, Killower and in St. Nicholas' in Galway Town. > > Of course these only apply if their families stayed in Galway during the > period 1848-64 for the time of the valuations. If they had also moved over > to the UK, these of course wouldn't apply! > > > slan > Cyril Newsome > Loch Garman... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Josephy" <walterjosephy@shaw.ca> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:51 PM > Subject: [UK-Irish] GREEN and WALLACE of Tuam, Galway to Leigh, Lancs > > >> Hello listers: >> I thought I'd post my interests and dates, and see if anyone had any >> comments and suggestions. >> >> John GREEN and Mary WALLACE were married 9 September 9 1850 in Leigh, >> Lancashire at St. Joseph's Roman Catholic Church. The church records >> state >> they were both from Tuam, Galway. The civil certificate states John's > father >> was Patrick GREEN and Mary's father was William WALLACE. >> >> John and Mary had the following known children: >> John born 2 Mar 1852 (died before 1862) >> Margaret born 22 May 1853 (died before 1867) >> Mary born 12 Aug 1857 (my gggrandmother) >> John born 3 June 1862 >> Margaret born 11 Jan 1867 >> >> I cannot locate them with any certainty on the 1851 UK Census. >> I have ordered some church records from Tuam, and will be going through >> those next week at the Family History Centre here in my town. >> Thanks, >> Susan >> Canada >> >> >> >> ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== >> The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi, I realize this might be off topic for the list (UK-Irish) but to me "The Rock" is Newfoundland! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "cairolyle" <cairolyle@netzero.net> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: [UK-Irish] Finding the Slaters of the Rock > Hello Fellow Researchers! > > I have been doing a lot of research on my Irish maternal line and found > that all the branches of my tree lead to Donegal....I think. > The first person on my tree, Thomas Adam Slater, came from Muff Parish, > Drumskellan, Donegal County. Born in 1826, he left Ireland in 1851 on the > Londonderry 6 out of Derry, to St. John, Canada. Eventually he and his > brothers and sister (Andrew, John, James and Mary) settled in New > Brunswick, in York County. > > Once in Canada, Thomas Adam Slater married Nancy Buchanan and they had > several children. One of their kids, Thomas Clifford, married Nancy's > niece Kate Buchanan. (nothing like keeping things in the family! :) So > first cousins married here, as would others later on. > > [Mary Slater married a James Greer in Templemore, Londonderry and had > children Thomas, Moses, John, and Robert. They would have come over to > Canada after 1870, as their youngest child was born in Ireland in 1870. I > have gotten quite a bit on the Greers, but any more info is welcome.] > > Mainly, I am looking for more info on the "Slaters of the Rock" as one > person told me was the name for my family in that area. Were they farmers, > masons? Not sure! Does anyone have access to records pertaining to that > area, or graveyard info? ANY info would be so helpful to me!! I have > heard there may be a Peggy or Alex Slater who may have info. I will take > info from anyone at this point to continue my research. The brickwall > begins and ends in Donegal it seems! > > I am willing to share any info on the Slaters in New Brunswick, Canada and > the Greers in North Lake, York County, Canada with anyone. Thank you so > much!! > > Joy > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Dear All, I am most grateful for all this discussion and for the leads it throws up. John and Mary had a son Patrick who was born in Ireland in c 1861. Their second son Andrew was born in W Yorkshire in 1863, so it seems that they moved to the UK between 1861 and 1863. It's also likely they would have married in Ireland before 1861 I think (unless Patrick was born out of wedlock), but not 100% certain. Later children were a Michael, John and Thomas. They appear in Yorkshire on the 1881 Census certainly, and presumably on the 1871 but I don't have a copy of this yet. Does this help at all? My Dad's third cousin has been researching this connection too and has more info than me. However. she's just moved house and it's all in storage... Many thanks Tim -----Original Message----- From: Walter Josephy [mailto:walterjosephy@shaw.ca] Sent: 09 May 2006 18:02 To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley Hi Cyril, Agreed! What date is the UK Census they're first on? Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyril Newsome" <cnews@eircom.net> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > Ah! > > But his only applies Susan if in fact you know exactly where to go to for > the Parish records! > > In Tim's case he is only surmising the County, he doesn't even know the > Parish yet! > We need to trim the basics first, as he says himself "Both born (and > married > I think) in Ireland". > > Now that's a long shot to start with. > > There are some 650+ CARNEY'S listed in the Griffiths index for the whole > of > Ireland both North and South which theoretically should give us the > location > of John CARNEY b.1843'ish but for Tim to identify any one of these > Parishes > with no information, other than what he has posted is a mammoth task! > > We can narrow this down to around about 93/95 CARNEY names actually being > in > Co. Mayo with indeed 3 names with the spelling of CARNY in the whole of > Ireland being located in Co. Mayo also! > > > slan > Cyril Newsome > Loch Garman... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Josephy" <walterjosephy@shaw.ca> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > >> Hi Tim, >> Though the civil registrations of marriages and births only state > "Ireland" >> often Roman Catholic baptisms and marriage certificates will actually > state >> the county of origin in Ireland. I have found that with my gggrandparents >> from Tuam, Galway. >> Susan >> Canada >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> >> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:37 AM >> Subject: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley >> >> >> >I wonder if anyone can help me? 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Dear Tim, I have to go out for a bit, but when I get back, I'll have a good look for the 1871 for you. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: RE: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > Dear Susan, > > I don't have Ancestry so haven't been able to view the 1871 Census. If you > could send that page I'd be most grateful. > > Best wishes and thanks in advance > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Josephy [mailto:walterjosephy@shaw.ca] > Sent: 10 May 2006 15:17 > To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > > Hi Cyril, > Thank you for your posting... > I did have a bit of a search for John Carney and Mary Riley, and believe I > may have found John on the 1871 (English), but I won't search any more > until > > I hear from the original poster to see if he's already gone down this > route. > Susan > Quesnel, British Columbia > (Cariboo Country - still frosty every morning) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyril Newsome" <cnews@eircom.net> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:26 AM > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > >>I apologise from this end also Susan, >> >> on reviewing Tim's original posting, he doesn't indicate which Census he >> was >> on about either, so sorry for that. >> >> slan >> >> Cyril Newsome >> Loch Garman... >> (Sunshine at last!!) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Walter Josephy" <walterjosephy@shaw.ca> >> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley >> >> >>> Cyril, I am sorry, we are talking at cross-purposes. >>> I misread, and thought that John Carney and Mary Riley had already moved >> to >>> UK, and hence I was asking about the year of the census, so he could >>> pinpoint the approximate year they moved. >>> I know what Griffiths' Valuation is and The Tithe Appointments is, as >> well, >>> but I do thank you for your response. >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== >>> The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: >>> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. 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Hello listers: I thought I'd post my interests and dates, and see if anyone had any comments and suggestions. John GREEN and Mary WALLACE were married 9 September 9 1850 in Leigh, Lancashire at St. Joseph's Roman Catholic Church. The church records state they were both from Tuam, Galway. The civil certificate states John's father was Patrick GREEN and Mary's father was William WALLACE. John and Mary had the following known children: John born 2 Mar 1852 (died before 1862) Margaret born 22 May 1853 (died before 1867) Mary born 12 Aug 1857 (my gggrandmother) John born 3 June 1862 Margaret born 11 Jan 1867 I cannot locate them with any certainty on the 1851 UK Census. I have ordered some church records from Tuam, and will be going through those next week at the Family History Centre here in my town. Thanks, Susan Canada

Hi Tim in Essex, the secret to doing family research is to leave no stone unturned in finding documentation on your particular family in the KNOWN places they lived. In the process, you should uncover more clues. Don't forget to contact as many living relatives as you can to find out what they know, what they have heard. A long shot, but intriguing -- when I "googled" John Carney I found a reference to the following diary: West Yorkshire Archive Service, Bradford: Mrs John Carney, shopkeeper, Shelf, diary [1880-1890]. Maybe you could contact the archive service in Bradford, see if they would give you any other details or would photocopy same for you. You could then post some snippets about that lady and help another CARNEY researcher. It would be very worthwhile to pay a little to have a professional to help uncover facts about your families in England, to get a definite direction. You may/may not be correct about the connection to Co. Mayo. Perhaps a death notice would help to pin down particulars on an Irish county. The Andrew given name certainly rings of a Northern Ireland/Scottish connection to me. What denomination were they in England? What professions were involved? Were they monied? What was going on in Batley to cause them to settle there? Job opportunity? Family? Jean, Washington State, USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:37 AM Subject: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > I wonder if anyone can help me? I'm trying to track down my Great Great > Great Grandparents John CARNEY (b abt 1843) and Mary RILEY (b abt 1841). > Both born (and married I think) in Ireland. They later came to the UK and > settled in Batley, West Yorkshire where they had children Patrick, Andrew, > Michael, John and Thomas that I know of. > > I don't know where in Ireland they came from (the UK censuses only list the > country), though there is a strong chance it might be Co Mayo, given the > large influx from that county into West Yorkshire at that time. > > I would welcome any advice in this matter. > > Many thanks > > Tim Brooke > Essex > > > > > The information and attachments (if any) in this email are confidential, may be legally privileged and are intended solely for the addressee(s). Access, copying or re-use of information within it by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient you should not disclose, copy or use any part of it. Please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. > > Faber Music Limited is not responsible for the completeness or accuracy of this communication as it has been transmitted over a public network. It is the recipient's responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses. If in doubt please verify the authenticity of the sender. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Faber Music Limited or any of its holding or fellow subsidiary companies. > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > To unsub or change your subscription: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean.

I apologise from this end also Susan, on reviewing Tim's original posting, he doesn't indicate which Census he was on about either, so sorry for that. slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman... (Sunshine at last!!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Josephy" <walterjosephy@shaw.ca> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > Cyril, I am sorry, we are talking at cross-purposes. > I misread, and thought that John Carney and Mary Riley had already moved to > UK, and hence I was asking about the year of the census, so he could > pinpoint the approximate year they moved. > I know what Griffiths' Valuation is and The Tithe Appointments is, as well, > but I do thank you for your response. > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Cyril, Thank you for your posting... I did have a bit of a search for John Carney and Mary Riley, and believe I may have found John on the 1871 (English), but I won't search any more until I hear from the original poster to see if he's already gone down this route. Susan Quesnel, British Columbia (Cariboo Country - still frosty every morning) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyril Newsome" <cnews@eircom.net> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley >I apologise from this end also Susan, > > on reviewing Tim's original posting, he doesn't indicate which Census he > was > on about either, so sorry for that. > > slan > > Cyril Newsome > Loch Garman... > (Sunshine at last!!) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Josephy" <walterjosephy@shaw.ca> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > >> Cyril, I am sorry, we are talking at cross-purposes. >> I misread, and thought that John Carney and Mary Riley had already moved > to >> UK, and hence I was asking about the year of the census, so he could >> pinpoint the approximate year they moved. >> I know what Griffiths' Valuation is and The Tithe Appointments is, as > well, >> but I do thank you for your response. >> >> >> >> ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== >> The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

It is not "A Census" they are on, but a Land Valuation assessment. It is also not a UK Census but IRISH! To get a better understanding of what Griffiths' is, I would say do a Google search for it and get a variety of descriptions for it but ultimately it is just that, A Land and Property Valuation. Prior to this there was a thing called The Tithe Applotments done around 1832. slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Josephy" <walterjosephy@shaw.ca> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > Hi Cyril, > Agreed! What date is the UK Census they're first on? > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyril Newsome" <cnews@eircom.net> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > > > Ah! > > > > But his only applies Susan if in fact you know exactly where to go to for > > the Parish records! > > > > In Tim's case he is only surmising the County, he doesn't even know the > > Parish yet! > > We need to trim the basics first, as he says himself "Both born (and > > married > > I think) in Ireland". > > > > Now that's a long shot to start with. > > > > There are some 650+ CARNEY'S listed in the Griffiths index for the whole > > of > > Ireland both North and South which theoretically should give us the > > location > > of John CARNEY b.1843'ish but for Tim to identify any one of these > > Parishes > > with no information, other than what he has posted is a mammoth task! > > > > We can narrow this down to around about 93/95 CARNEY names actually being > > in > > Co. Mayo with indeed 3 names with the spelling of CARNY in the whole of > > Ireland being located in Co. Mayo also! > > > > > > slan > > Cyril Newsome > > Loch Garman... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Walter Josephy" <walterjosephy@shaw.ca> > > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > > > > >> Hi Tim, > >> Though the civil registrations of marriages and births only state > > "Ireland" > >> often Roman Catholic baptisms and marriage certificates will actually > > state > >> the county of origin in Ireland. I have found that with my gggrandparents > >> from Tuam, Galway. > >> Susan > >> Canada > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> > >> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:37 AM > >> Subject: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > >> > >> > >> >I wonder if anyone can help me? I'm trying to track down my Great Great > >> > Great Grandparents John CARNEY (b abt 1843) and Mary RILEY (b abt > >> > 1841). > >> > Both born (and married I think) in Ireland. They later came to the UK > > and > >> > settled in Batley, West Yorkshire where they had children Patrick, > > Andrew, > >> > Michael, John and Thomas that I know of. > >> > > >> > I don't know where in Ireland they came from (the UK censuses only list > >> > the > >> > country), though there is a strong chance it might be Co Mayo, given > >> > the > >> > large influx from that county into West Yorkshire at that time. > >> > > >> > I would welcome any advice in this matter. > >> > > >> > Many thanks > >> > > >> > Tim Brooke > >> > Essex > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The information and attachments (if any) in this email are > >> > confidential, > >> > may be legally privileged and are intended solely for the addressee(s). > >> > Access, copying or re-use of information within it by anyone else is > >> > unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient you should not > >> > disclose, copy or use any part of it. 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John CARNEY (b abt 1843) and Mary RILEY (b abt 1841). > Both born (and married I think) in Ireland. They later came to the UK and > settled in Batley, West Yorkshire where they had children Patrick, Andrew, > Michael, John and Thomas that I know of. No births show up in England for the children .. Checking the British Isles Vital Records CD's that I have, births for John Carny/Carney, etc. start in 1816 in Roscommon .. First in Mayo start in 1865 .. These records while numberous are not by any means complete .. The LDS will have the complete set .. MaryPat CARNY, Joannem Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 29 May 1841 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Michaelis CARNY Mother: Annae BEIRNE Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 CARNY, Johannem Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 27 Jun 1841 Recorded in: Roscommon and kilteevan, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Jacobi CARNY Mother: Brigidae GALLAGHER Source: FHL Film 989748 Dates: 1837 - 1881 Many Mary Riley's, only 2 close to the year you give .. O REILY, Mariam Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 18 Sep 1840 Recorded in: Taunagh, Sligo, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Hugonis O REILY Mother: Aliciae WARD Source: FHL Film 989737 Dates: 1836 - 1881 REILY, Mariam Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 9 Mar 1842 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, Roscommon, Ireland Collection: Roman Catholic Father: Joannis REILY Mother: Brigidae BERMINGHAM Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850

Ah! But his only applies Susan if in fact you know exactly where to go to for the Parish records! In Tim's case he is only surmising the County, he doesn't even know the Parish yet! We need to trim the basics first, as he says himself "Both born (and married I think) in Ireland". Now that's a long shot to start with. There are some 650+ CARNEY'S listed in the Griffiths index for the whole of Ireland both North and South which theoretically should give us the location of John CARNEY b.1843'ish but for Tim to identify any one of these Parishes with no information, other than what he has posted is a mammoth task! We can narrow this down to around about 93/95 CARNEY names actually being in Co. Mayo with indeed 3 names with the spelling of CARNY in the whole of Ireland being located in Co. Mayo also! slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Josephy" <walterjosephy@shaw.ca> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > Hi Tim, > Though the civil registrations of marriages and births only state "Ireland" > often Roman Catholic baptisms and marriage certificates will actually state > the county of origin in Ireland. I have found that with my gggrandparents > from Tuam, Galway. > Susan > Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:37 AM > Subject: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > > >I wonder if anyone can help me? I'm trying to track down my Great Great > > Great Grandparents John CARNEY (b abt 1843) and Mary RILEY (b abt 1841). > > Both born (and married I think) in Ireland. They later came to the UK and > > settled in Batley, West Yorkshire where they had children Patrick, Andrew, > > Michael, John and Thomas that I know of. > > > > I don't know where in Ireland they came from (the UK censuses only list > > the > > country), though there is a strong chance it might be Co Mayo, given the > > large influx from that county into West Yorkshire at that time. > > > > I would welcome any advice in this matter. > > > > Many thanks > > > > Tim Brooke > > Essex > > > > > > > > > > The information and attachments (if any) in this email are confidential, > > may be legally privileged and are intended solely for the addressee(s). > > Access, copying or re-use of information within it by anyone else is > > unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient you should not > > disclose, copy or use any part of it. Please notify the sender and delete > > all copies immediately. > > > > Faber Music Limited is not responsible for the completeness or accuracy of > > this communication as it has been transmitted over a public network. It is > > the recipient's responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for > > viruses. If in doubt please verify the authenticity of the sender. Any > > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not > > necessarily represent those of Faber Music Limited or any of its holding > > or fellow subsidiary companies. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > > To unsub or change your subscription: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Cyril, I am sorry, we are talking at cross-purposes. I misread, and thought that John Carney and Mary Riley had already moved to UK, and hence I was asking about the year of the census, so he could pinpoint the approximate year they moved. I know what Griffiths' Valuation is and The Tithe Appointments is, as well, but I do thank you for your response.

I wonder if anyone can help me? I'm trying to track down my Great Great Great Grandparents John CARNEY (b abt 1843) and Mary RILEY (b abt 1841). Both born (and married I think) in Ireland. They later came to the UK and settled in Batley, West Yorkshire where they had children Patrick, Andrew, Michael, John and Thomas that I know of. I don't know where in Ireland they came from (the UK censuses only list the country), though there is a strong chance it might be Co Mayo, given the large influx from that county into West Yorkshire at that time. I would welcome any advice in this matter. Many thanks Tim Brooke Essex The information and attachments (if any) in this email are confidential, may be legally privileged and are intended solely for the addressee(s). Access, copying or re-use of information within it by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient you should not disclose, copy or use any part of it. Please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. Faber Music Limited is not responsible for the completeness or accuracy of this communication as it has been transmitted over a public network. It is the recipient's responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for viruses. If in doubt please verify the authenticity of the sender. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Faber Music Limited or any of its holding or fellow subsidiary companies. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

Hi Cyril, Agreed! What date is the UK Census they're first on? Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyril Newsome" <cnews@eircom.net> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > Ah! > > But his only applies Susan if in fact you know exactly where to go to for > the Parish records! > > In Tim's case he is only surmising the County, he doesn't even know the > Parish yet! > We need to trim the basics first, as he says himself "Both born (and > married > I think) in Ireland". > > Now that's a long shot to start with. > > There are some 650+ CARNEY'S listed in the Griffiths index for the whole > of > Ireland both North and South which theoretically should give us the > location > of John CARNEY b.1843'ish but for Tim to identify any one of these > Parishes > with no information, other than what he has posted is a mammoth task! > > We can narrow this down to around about 93/95 CARNEY names actually being > in > Co. Mayo with indeed 3 names with the spelling of CARNY in the whole of > Ireland being located in Co. Mayo also! > > > slan > Cyril Newsome > Loch Garman... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Josephy" <walterjosephy@shaw.ca> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > >> Hi Tim, >> Though the civil registrations of marriages and births only state > "Ireland" >> often Roman Catholic baptisms and marriage certificates will actually > state >> the county of origin in Ireland. I have found that with my gggrandparents >> from Tuam, Galway. >> Susan >> Canada >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> >> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:37 AM >> Subject: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley >> >> >> >I wonder if anyone can help me? I'm trying to track down my Great Great >> > Great Grandparents John CARNEY (b abt 1843) and Mary RILEY (b abt >> > 1841). >> > Both born (and married I think) in Ireland. They later came to the UK > and >> > settled in Batley, West Yorkshire where they had children Patrick, > Andrew, >> > Michael, John and Thomas that I know of. >> > >> > I don't know where in Ireland they came from (the UK censuses only list >> > the >> > country), though there is a strong chance it might be Co Mayo, given >> > the >> > large influx from that county into West Yorkshire at that time. >> > >> > I would welcome any advice in this matter. >> > >> > Many thanks >> > >> > Tim Brooke >> > Essex >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The information and attachments (if any) in this email are >> > confidential, >> > may be legally privileged and are intended solely for the addressee(s). >> > Access, copying or re-use of information within it by anyone else is >> > unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient you should not >> > disclose, copy or use any part of it. Please notify the sender and > delete >> > all copies immediately. >> > >> > Faber Music Limited is not responsible for the completeness or accuracy > of >> > this communication as it has been transmitted over a public network. It > is >> > the recipient's responsibility to scan this email and any attachments > for >> > viruses. If in doubt please verify the authenticity of the sender. Any >> > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not >> > necessarily represent those of Faber Music Limited or any of its >> > holding >> > or fellow subsidiary companies. >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== >> > To unsub or change your subscription: >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html >> > >> > ============================== >> > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== >> The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

AN OLD TUNE Mongst the green Irish hills I love dearly, At the close of the bright summer day, I heard an old tune lilted clearly, That soothed half my sorrows away. And far o'er the wide-rolling ocean Methinks I am hearing it now, As a farewell of tender emotion -- 'The Pretty Girl Milking her Cow.' Next day was the last look of Erin; 'Twas almost like death to depart; And since, in my foreign wayfaring, That tune's like a thread round my heart. Still back to the dear old Green Island It draws me, I cannot tell how -- The whisper in music of my land -- 'The Pretty Girl Milking her Cow.' -- William Allingham (1824-1899)

Hi Tim, Though the civil registrations of marriages and births only state "Ireland" often Roman Catholic baptisms and marriage certificates will actually state the county of origin in Ireland. I have found that with my gggrandparents from Tuam, Galway. Susan Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:37 AM Subject: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley >I wonder if anyone can help me? I'm trying to track down my Great Great > Great Grandparents John CARNEY (b abt 1843) and Mary RILEY (b abt 1841). > Both born (and married I think) in Ireland. They later came to the UK and > settled in Batley, West Yorkshire where they had children Patrick, Andrew, > Michael, John and Thomas that I know of. > > I don't know where in Ireland they came from (the UK censuses only list > the > country), though there is a strong chance it might be Co Mayo, given the > large influx from that county into West Yorkshire at that time. > > I would welcome any advice in this matter. > > Many thanks > > Tim Brooke > Essex > > > > > The information and attachments (if any) in this email are confidential, > may be legally privileged and are intended solely for the addressee(s). > Access, copying or re-use of information within it by anyone else is > unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient you should not > disclose, copy or use any part of it. Please notify the sender and delete > all copies immediately. > > Faber Music Limited is not responsible for the completeness or accuracy of > this communication as it has been transmitted over a public network. It is > the recipient's responsibility to scan this email and any attachments for > viruses. If in doubt please verify the authenticity of the sender. Any > views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily represent those of Faber Music Limited or any of its holding > or fellow subsidiary companies. > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > To unsub or change your subscription: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

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