It is on line at: http://www.dublin1850.com/dublin1850/index.html -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com http://www.connorsgenealogy.net

SNIPPET: Researchers with an interest in the Royal Munster Fusiliers may wish to read the following literature: S. McCANCE, "History of the Royal Munster Fusiliers" (Aldershot 1927). R. G. HARRIS, "The Irish Regiments: A Pictorial History 1683-1987" (Tunbridge Wells 1989). Tom DOOLEY's several-page article in the Spring 1998 issue of Dublin's "History Ireland" magazine that is accompanied by sketches, paintings, posters, old photographs. THE MUNSTER FUSILIERS Come pass the call 'round Munster. Let the notes ring loud and clear. We want the merchant and the squire, The peasant and the Peer. For we mean to whip those Germans, So away with your paltry affairs And come join that grand Battalion Called the Munster Fusiliers The Kaiser knows each Munster By the shamrock on his cap And the famous Bengal tiger Ever ready for a scrap. With all his big battalions, Prussian Guards and Grenadiers, He feared to face the bayonets Of the Munster Fusiliers When marching up through Belgium Sure we thought of days of old. The cruel sights that meet your eyes Would make your blood run cold To see the ruined convents And the Holy nuns in tears. By God on high avenge or die Cried the Munster Fusiliers God rest our fallen comrades, May they take their long last sleep On the fields of France and Flanders, Sure, we have no cause to weep, For their deeds will live in history And the youth of future years Will read with pride Of the men who died, The Munster Fusiliers.

LAST LINES, 1916 The beauty of the world hath made me sad, This beauty that will pass; Sometimes my heart hath shaken with great joy To see a leaping squirrel in a tree, Or a red ladybird upon a stalk, Or little rabbits in a field at evening, Lit by a slanting sun, Or some green hill where shadows drifted by, Some quiet hill where mountainy man hath sown And soon shall reap near to the gate of Heaven; Or children with bare feet upon the sands Of some ebbed sea, or playing on the streets Of little towns in Connacht, Things young and happy. And then my heart has told me: These will pass, Will pass and change, will die and be no more, Things bright and green , things young and happy; And I have gone upon my way Sorrowful. I have no treasure trove The wealth of fame is gone Even the very joys of love Have vanished and left me alone. Gold I haven't piled Nothing of this I leave behind My wish to be remembered by a child By something said which pleased his mind. Nior cruinniodh liomsa or - I have not garnered gold. -- Dublin-born Padraig Pearse, English and Gaelic-speaking schoolteacher-poet, spent his summers in a small cottage in a place called Rosmuc in Connemara 21 miles SE of Clifden, Galway, where he did most of his writing. As a champion of the clandestine Irish Republican Brotherhood he was later executed for his part in the Easter Rising of 1916 by firing squad. On the eve of his execution, Pearse remembered the beauty of his beloved world. At his trial, the president of the court remarked, "I have had to condemn to death one of the finest characters I have ever come across."

Hi Early 1800 my gr.gr.grandparents John & Bridget MURRAY moved to Carlisle England from Ireland (place unknown) John was in the weaving trade. They had 4 children all born Carlisle James, Andrew, Mary, Bridget that I know of. In 1843 on Andrews marriage John & Bridget lived on Rigg St. Carlisle, Andrew married Jane McManus (of Carrickfergus Ire. dau of Peter & Sarah) They are all on census 1851-1881 two sons em to Canada c 1882 Andrew & Peter. sons John, James, George & dau Mary Jane on 1901 census . as is their Mother Jane, father Andrew had died c 1893. Anyone connected or have info of these MURRAY'S of Carlisle and Lancs. Some others may have come to Canada later. Andrew who em in 1882 returned to Eng for a few years a dau was born in Carlisle and one in N upon Tyne. Family returned to Canada. Peter em. 1882 ret. to Carlisle died there 1931 leaving his family in Toronto Ont. Any info appreciated. Regards Mary

Hello All I've received a few messages asking for the direct link to the petition http://www.petitiononline.com/hilltara/ Cheers Gill

SNIPPET: Roy GREENSLADE of England first visited Co. Donegal in 1971 and states he is as captivated today by the austere beauty as when he first visited the county with the beautiful waterfall at Crannogeboy, near Ardara. At that time he strolled across Ballynass Strand in Falcarragh in a skimpy sweater on a sunny, cloudless day with a biting wind blowing off the sea and, taking shelter in the lee of a rocky outcrop with his friend, Noreen, who had been born in Donegal and raised in Glasgow. She had returned to her family home on childhood holidays every summer, suffering a hellish voyage on something called "The Derry Boat," but it had been years since her last visit and she was uncertain of what she would find. A gull wading at the water's edge was startled by some imagined enemy and took off in the direction of an island called Tory, as they luxuriated in a silence broken only by the lapping of waves and an occasional screech of a gull. Earlier, at Strabane, they had boarded a coach to take them into Donegal's heartland. The driver speed lurched from maniacally fast to dead stop, thinking nothing of pulling up for five minutes to chat with a passerby on the roadside or a shopowner in a village, cheerfully blocking the road in both directions. Sometimes he gave, or accepted packages. Often, he just passed the time of day. No one in the bus seemed to mind. The roads were terrible and far too narrow to accommodate a coach. Several times they found themselves behind tractors, once behind a farmer driving his flock of sheep. After they had crawled behind the latter for almost ten minutes, Roy thought the driver would be in a hurry to speed past when the farmer turned into a field. Instead, the driver and the farmer discussed the weather for another five minutes! Having crossed a river they entered another world. The "alien territory" to Roy was one of granite outcrops on heather-clad hillsides, a proliferation of purple rhododendrons, boggy water meadows strewn with rushes, and people living in stone houses with tiny windows. Booking into Falcarragh's only hotel, they downed ham, cucumber slices and a mountain of lettuce - nothing hot was being offered that evening. Next morning they visited an uncle of Noreen's who lived in a tiny whitewashed cottage where her mother had been born. As they entered the sparsely furnished room they noticed an enamel basin of warm milk on the dressers, flies buzzy overhead where the skin was starting to form. "Uncle Charlie" misread Roy's interest; waving the flies aside, he scooped up a cupful and offered it to him. (Noreen's eyes told me it would be bad manners to say "no"). Later the uncle took Roy for an uncomfortable tractor ride with only the odd house in the distance. Roy glimpsed the tragedy of a land whose people where born to live elsewhere, as Noreen discussed the wanderings of a string of relatives - this one in Philadelphia, that one in Scotland, those two in America in a city whose name she couldn't remember, another in London. Roy clutched Noreen to his side as they stood with their backs to the Atlantic to watch darkening clouds gather over Errigal. They lingered only a second, bending their heads against the wind. But that was "The Kiss," the moment when Roy gave in to Donegal's embrace and realized that his life had truly changed - that this was the place for him. Back in Britain days later, he haunted bookshops, reading everything he could about Ireland: history, politics, topography, literature, mythology, poetry -- especially everything about Donegal. He loved the slower pace, the friendlessness and even the "nosiness" of everyone they met, the community spirit of Ireland. He and Noreen and the children would return for countless holidays and Christmases. While he vainly searched for any Irish connections to his surname, he discovered in Olde English it was grene slade, which means dweller in the green valley. Well, he thought, in Donegal, there were green valleys galore! Roy has climbed Errigal, sailed to Tory and drank brandy with the island's king, discovered the beautiful beach of Ballymastocker, drank endless pints of Guinness in a variety of pubs, taken one of the first tours of Glenveigh Castle. He and his family gradually got to know scores of people, beginning with Noreen's relatives and friends from her childhood who had taken the dramatic, and then unfashionable, step of leaving Glasgow to return to their roots. After a decade as a resident now, their love for Donegal had only deepened while the people of Donegal are experiencing the chance to discover for themselves the pleasures (and the perils) of progress. Letterkenny has become a boom town. Donegal clings hopefully to the tail of the Celtic Tiger. He says he is relaxed, knowing that Donegal has withstood hurricanes down the centuries, bending to the wind but never breaking. -- Excerpts, "The World of Hibernia" magazine, Spring 2000.

I meant to add this petition link too. If anyone os on other lists would you make them aware of the Tara problem and what we can do to help? Thanks Gill http://www.petitiononline.com/cgi-bin/mlk?http://www.taraskryne.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Gill Smith To: Cc: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com ; FERMANAGH-GOLD-L@rootsweb.com ; MAYO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:01 AM Subject: Tara and Proposed Motorway This has been sent to the Cavan list. It's about the proposed motorway and the Beautiful, Sacred site of Tara. There's an online petition for signing http://www.hilloftara.blogspot.com/ Gill North Wales

This has been sent to the Cavan list. It's about the proposed motorway and the Beautiful, Sacred site of Tara. There's an online petition for signing http://www.hilloftara.blogspot.com/ Gill North Wales

SNIPPET: Fame came early in the short life of brilliant Welsh poet Dylan THOMAS from Swansea. When he was 20, he played his part in London's literary scene of the day. He led a rather Bohemian life-style, including heavy drinking. A friend of the poet, Geoffrey GRIGSON, at last urged Dylan to leave London for awhile and made arrangements for a place of retreat. As a result, Dylan THOMAS spent the summer of 1935 in Ireland, in a small cottage in Co. Donegal. There may seen to be a certain irony in the fact that GRIGSON chose Ireland in his attempts to withdraw alcoholic beverages from THOMAS. THOMAS wrote of rugged and breath-taking Co. Donegal -- "Here in Ireland, I'm further away than ever from the permanent world. I'm writing by candle-light all alone in a cottage facing the Atlantic --- Soon I'm going out for a walk in the dark by myself; that'll make happy as hell." To another friend he wrote, "I am ten miles from the nearest human being , with the exception of the deaf farmer who gives me food," referring to Dan WARD and his Irish-speaking wife Rose, who provided meals and sometimes a bit of poitin (illicit whiskey). There was fishing up in the mountain lakes or walks down at the seashore, and late at night THOMAS often joined the WARDs for a chat in front of the peatfire listening to local lore. Only once a week THOMAS would bring himself to walk the ten miles to the next pub, more often than not in tough weather. "It rains and it rains. All the damned seagulls are fallen angels." Originally, this place at the end of the world had been discovered by American artist Rockwell KENT in the 1920s. Kent had converted an old donkey-stable into a makeshift studio, but finally abandoned it again when he got weary of too much solitude. This former studio is the cottage that Dylan THOMAS rented in 1935. The Glencolumbkille district where Dylan THOMAS spent his holidays is just one of at least three parts of beautiful and wild Donegal that are suitable for hill-walking. THOMAS returned to Ireland in August, 1946, this time with his wife Caitlin MacNAMARA of Ennistymon who was of Irish stock. He spent the "a day on the Blasket: a very calm day, they say: the wind blew me about like a tissue-paper man, and dashed us against the donkeys." DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night. Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. -- Dylan Thomas (1914-1953)

Several gentlemen went out for a boat ride one day, but ended up stranded on a deserted island. When they were finally found one year later, it seems the two Irishmen were still fighting, the two Welshmen had formed a choir, the two Scotsmen had formed a rye distillery, and the two Englishmen were still waiting for someone to properly introduce them.

Very helpful thanks Susan best wishes Tim -----Original Message----- From: Walter Josephy [mailto:walterjosephy@shaw.ca] Sent: 19 May 2006 23:43 To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley Dear Tim: The GRO holds births, deaths and Catholic marriages from 1864. They also hold non-Catholic marriages from 1845. Prior to 1864 you need to check the Parish records. Try the Genealogical Office in the National LIbrary (www.nli.ie). There they have the microfilm of almost all the RC parish registers from the late 17th centyr in the east at from the mid 19th century in the South West. You could also try: www.familysearch.org and click on the library search button. Then search by county or town and it will give you film numbers. You can then order them from you local Family History Centre (LDS). A lot of protestant records were burnt in 1922, but duplicates exist of some. Try www.ireland.anglican.org/library.libroots Hope this is helpful in some way. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: RE: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > Many belated thanks to all who have assisted me in tracking down John and > Mary. It is much appreciated! > > If I could persist for a moment longer, does anyone know how I would go > about tracking down Patrick Carney (b c1861) in Ireland, possibly it seems > in Killucan and Ballinameen (Roscommon)? If I can find the Patrick's birth > certificate establishing parnets as John Carney and Mary Riley then it > would > be a major breakthrough and one of my relatives would surely jump on the > next plane to Knock! Alternatively the marriage of John and Mary c 1860. > Does anyone knwo where the records are held for such things? > > best wishes > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Josephy [mailto:walterjosephy@shaw.ca] > Sent: 11 May 2006 16:13 > To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > > Yes, you've made some progress and that's always good! > Susan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Brooke" <tim.brooke@FaberMusic.com> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:47 AM > Subject: RE: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley > > >> Many thanks Susan, >> >> I actually already have Mary's maiden name. It is RILEY. So Bridget KELLY >> was a RILEY before her marriage. Bridget was a widow in 1871, yes. She >> must >> be the sister of Mary, as her relationship to John is sister in law. >> Though >> there again she could have been a KELLY who married a CARNEY brother of >> John's and reverted back to her maiden name when she was widowed. This >> latter scenario is less liely I think. >> >> So as I see it there are 2 avenues open for exploration: John and Mary's >> marriage c 1860 or so, or Patrick's birth c 1861. Given the use for >> family >> names it's quite likely presumably that Patrick would have been named >> after >> John or Mary's father, or grandfather.... >> >> from MaryPat's email the other day two of the possibilities for John and >> Mary were from the same place, making them very likely candidates as they >> didn't often marry outisde their immediate circle.. >> >> CARNY, Joannem Christening >> Gender: Male >> Christening Date: 29 May 1841 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, >> Roscommon, Ireland >> Collection: Roman Catholic >> Father: Michaelis CARNY >> Mother: Annae BEIRNE >> Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 >> >> REILY, Mariam Christening >> Gender: Female >> Christening Date: 9 Mar 1842 Recorded in: Killucan and ballinameen, >> Roscommon, Ireland >> Collection: Roman Catholic >> Father: Joannis REILY >> Mother: Brigidae BERMINGHAM >> Source: FHL Film 989741 Dates: 1833 - 1850 >> >> >> All very interesting and tantalising!! >> >> Tim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Walter Josephy [mailto:walterjosephy@shaw.ca] >> Sent: 10 May 2006 20:03 >> To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] John Carney & Mary Riley >> >> >> Hello Tim, >> I sent an image of the 1871 English Census off list to you, but in the >> interests of everyone seeing it, I have transcribed it below: >> >> Andrew Carney 1863 Batley, Yorks >> John Carney 1843 Ireland Labourer >> Mary Carney 1845 Ireland >> Mary Carney 1870 Batley, Yorks >> Michael Carney 1867 Batley, Yorks >> Patrick Carney 1861 Ireland >> Bridget Kelly 1841 Sister in Law Ireland rag picker >> James Kelly 1861 Nephew Ireland. >> >> So, there you have it, they came to Yorkshire sometime between the birth >> of >> Patrick (1861) and the birth of Andrew (1863). I think a useful thing to >> do >> now would be to go onto FreeBMD and find the GRO reference for the birth >> of >> Andrew. Then order the cert from the GRO. That will give you Mary's >> maiden >> name. >> >> Plus, you now have the extra info of Bridget Kelly and James Kelly. I >> can't >> remember if Bridget is a widow or not, you can check when you get the >> image. >> >> She may be either a sister of John or of Mary or she may be the >> wife/widow >> of a brother of Mary. A bit more investigation will reveal which one. Of >> course, if you get Mary's maiden name, and you find it is Kelly, then >> it's > >> a >> >> very good chance she was married to a brother of Mary. On the other hand, >> she may be Mary's sister, who had a child out of wedlock. 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Hello Coleen, This may be your Mary Dwyer - on the FreeCEN census web site there is a Mary Ann Dwyer, age 11, in the 1841 Edinburgh census. It says she was born in Edinburgh. Also in the household is Jeremiah Dwyer, age 40, born in Ireland, and Elizabeth Dwyer, age 45, born outside of the county. The 1841 census does not give relationships, but it seems likely these are Mary and her parents. Also, the ages of anyone over 15 are rounded down to the nearest 5 yrs., so Jeremiah and Elizabeth's ages are approximate. FreeCEN is at http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Does their marriage certificate give you the name of her father? It should. Regarding the date of immigration - depending on how long either of them lived, if you can find one of them in the 1900 U.S. census, that particular census does give the year of immigration. Kathy Judge Nemaric Orlando, Florida -----Original Message----- From: Coleen Coleman [mailto:wyoeagle@webtv.net] Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:01 AM To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [UK-Irish] MY HYLAND FAMILY John Hyland born circa 1830's Ireland? No Ireland? Married circa 1853 June quarter of the year to Miss Mary Dwyer born Scotland. Married Stepney London Middlesex England. Marriage record states a Thomas & Catherine Hyland and a John Dwyer present at marriage. Resode circa 1860 McLean Co IL USA near Bloomington. Daughter Elizabeth born circa 1860. When did they come to the US? When was their daughter born? Who was John and who was Mary? Where in Scotland was she born. Have heard may have been Edinburgh. Thanks so much for your help ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== To unsub or change your subscription: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hello Coleen, This may be your Mary Dwyer - on the FreeCEN census web site there is a Mary Ann Dwyer, age 11, in the 1841 Edinburgh census. It says she was born in Edinburgh. Also in the household is Jeremiah Dwyer, age 40, born in Ireland, and Elizabeth Dwyer, age 45, born outside of the county. The 1841 census does not give relationships, but it seems likely these are Mary and her parents. Also, the ages of anyone over 15 are rounded down to the nearest 5 yrs., so Jeremiah and Elizabeth's ages are approximate. FreeCEN is at http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Does their marriage certificate give you the name of her father? It should. Regarding the date of immigration - depending on how long either of them lived, if you can find one of them in the 1900 U.S. census, that particular census does give the year of immigration. Kathy Judge Nemaric Orlando, Florida -----Original Message----- From: Coleen Coleman [mailto:wyoeagle@webtv.net] Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:01 AM To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [UK-Irish] MY HYLAND FAMILY John Hyland born circa 1830's Ireland? No Ireland? Married circa 1853 June quarter of the year to Miss Mary Dwyer born Scotland. Married Stepney London Middlesex England. Marriage record states a Thomas & Catherine Hyland and a John Dwyer present at marriage. Resode circa 1860 McLean Co IL USA near Bloomington. Daughter Elizabeth born circa 1860. When did they come to the US? When was their daughter born? Who was John and who was Mary? Where in Scotland was she born. Have heard may have been Edinburgh. Thanks so much for your help ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== To unsub or change your subscription: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

ALBERTINE Albertine The scent of my Albertine roses reminds me of ... Oh ... ancient linen cupboards owned by great- grandmothers dark shiny wood, the aroma of ancient polish old-fashioned eiderdowns lavender talcum powder ironed, lace-edged, monogrammed handkerchiefs ottomans full of long-forgotten children's clothes mementoes between the layers folded tablecloths and matching napkins afternoons drinking tea with aunts ham sandwiches with the crusts cut off flowery teacups, saucers, silver teaspoons Sunday afternoons windows with lace net curtains windowsills bright with red geraniums a wireless on a special shelf high on the wall the way my grandmother said "No thank you I've had quite sufficient." Her papery skin, her Irish eyes. -- Julia FAIRLIE

Thanks to the Irish Newsletter for this one. CONEMARRA TART 1 cup self rising flour 1/4 cup sugar 2 large apples 1 beaten Egg 2 ounces butter 1/4 cup milk pinch of salt 1/2 teaspoon ground ginger Topping: 1/4 teaspoon cinnamon 1/4 teaspoon nutmeg. Sift flour, ginger, salt and sugar. Rub in the fat. Add milk and eggs to bake a soft dough. Roll out on a floured board. Cover the base of a greased pie dish with the pastry. Grate the apples onto the pastry. Dot with butter. Sprinkle cinnamon and nutmeg over top. Bake in a moderate oven for 1/2 hour. Serve hot with custard. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com http://www.connorsgenealogy.net

You might try the Castle Garden website and see if you find their passenger records, if they arrived in NYC first. http://www.castlegarden.org/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com http://www.connorsgenealogy.net

John Hyland born circa 1830's Ireland? No Ireland? Married circa 1853 June quarter of the year to Miss Mary Dwyer born Scotland. Married Stepney London Middlesex England. Marriage record states a Thomas & Catherine Hyland and a John Dwyer present at marriage. Resode circa 1860 McLean Co IL USA near Bloomington. Daughter Elizabeth born circa 1860. When did they come to the US? When was their daughter born? Who was John and who was Mary? Where in Scotland was she born. Have heard may have been Edinburgh. Thanks so much for your help

<SNIP> place called "accle-a-moor" <END SNIP> A small island off the south of Achill is called Achillbeg! So could have the larger been referred to as 'Acchill mór'? Slan Henry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006

Hi I have been researching my Burns ancestors for over 20 years, and am still struggling to progress...... Here are the details... My gt-gt-grandfather, Patrick Burns married in preston in 1865 to Ann Kidd... He & his wife are both classed as born in Ireland on the 1871 census..He died in 1875... She is not the witness at death and is unheard of afterwards.. Through research I have uncovered 2 brothers & 2 sisters all of whom married in Preston between 1864 & 1885... John married Maria Heneghan in 1864 ( This is the first documentation I have of the family in the UK) ,Maria died in 1884, and the following year John married Mary Maloney an Irish widow.... Bridget married Francis McGurty in 1870 and converted through adult baptism to Catholocism the following year.... It is from her adult baptismal record I have the mother's maiden name.. Margaret married Owen Connolly in 1867... & she died in 1870... Thomas married Mary Cain in 1877... He was a lot vyounger than the others & onlky seems to have popped up when Margaret & Patrick died.. Basically, the first record I have is the 1864 marriage of John & Maria Heneghan... I know she was from Mayo, as where the witnesses ( census detail) ... This is the only marriage cert, I have where one of the siblings did not witness, therefore I presume they were not in the UK at that time... Census Detail is poor... Whilst several neighbours are given a county & even townland the only census return from 1871 - 1901 to state other than Ireland is Thomas Burns in 1901 who is redorded as being boirn in "Ireland, Accle -a- moor"... I cannot find any trace of such a place in searches of Irish townlands.... Also Bridget had an illegitimate son James Burns born in Ireland according to the 1871 census in 1860... The ages on birth & death certs is such that I guess the yrs of birth to be ... JOHN c. 1840, MARGARET c. 182, PATRICK c. 1843, BRIDGET c. 1844, THOMAS c. 1856.. All were married in Church Of England, John & Patrick had their children bapt. in C of E,Bridget (see above) married in Cof E then bap.t as Catholic herself, children all RC... Margt's one daughter was RC, althoughb her parents md. in CofE/// From marrriage certs father's name JOHN BURNS alternately LABOURER or FARMER on theses marriage certs. Mother's name ( from Bridget's adult baptism) MARY ANN O'SHAUGHNESSY... So I desperately need help tracking a family with these names form a place called "accle-a-moor" Regards, Pete Burns.

Hi Pete, now that KIDD surname is interesting, too, and not often found in Ireland. On the 1890 Matheson survey (distribution of surnames based on births of 5 or more) KIDD births in Ireland for that year were only 28, principally in Cos. Antrim, Armagh and Dublin. Cos. Antrim and Armagh are in the Northern Ireland portion of the province of Ulster. Dublin is in the province of Leinster. The breakdown by provinces: Ulster 18, Leinster 9, Munster 1, Connaught 0. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "ENSEMBLE BIBUX" <bibux@btopenworld.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:24 AM Subject: [UK-Irish] Burns ancestors "accle-a-moor" > Hi I have been researching my Burns ancestors for over 20 years, and am still struggling to progress...... > > Here are the details... My gt-gt-grandfather, Patrick Burns married in preston in 1865 to Ann Kidd... He & his wife are both classed as born in Ireland on the 1871 census..He died in 1875... She is not the witness at death and is unheard of afterwards.. > > Through research I have uncovered 2 brothers & 2 sisters all of whom married in Preston between 1864 & 1885... John married Maria Heneghan in 1864 ( This is the first documentation I have of the family in the UK) ,Maria died in 1884, and the following year John married Mary Maloney an Irish widow.... > > Bridget married Francis McGurty in 1870 and converted through adult baptism to Catholocism the following year.... It is from her adult baptismal record I have the mother's maiden name.. > > Margaret married Owen Connolly in 1867... & she died in 1870... > > Thomas married Mary Cain in 1877... He was a lot vyounger than the others & onlky seems to have popped up when Margaret & Patrick died.. > > Basically, the first record I have is the 1864 marriage of John & Maria Heneghan... I know she was from Mayo, as where the witnesses ( census detail) ... This is the only marriage cert, I have where one of the siblings did not witness, therefore I presume they were not in the UK at that time... > > Census Detail is poor... Whilst several neighbours are given a county & even townland the only census return from 1871 - 1901 to state other than Ireland is Thomas Burns in 1901 who is redorded as being boirn in "Ireland, Accle -a- moor"... I cannot find any trace of such a place in searches of Irish townlands.... > > Also Bridget had an illegitimate son James Burns born in Ireland according to the 1871 census in 1860... > > The ages on birth & death certs is such that I guess the yrs of birth to be ... JOHN c. 1840, MARGARET c. 182, PATRICK c. 1843, BRIDGET c. 1844, THOMAS c. 1856.. > > All were married in Church Of England, John & Patrick had their children bapt. in C of E,Bridget (see above) married in Cof E then bap.t as Catholic herself, children all RC... Margt's one daughter was RC, althoughb her parents md. in CofE/// > > From marrriage certs father's name JOHN BURNS alternately LABOURER or FARMER on theses marriage certs. Mother's name ( from Bridget's adult baptism) MARY ANN O'SHAUGHNESSY... <snip> > > So I desperately need help tracking a family with these names form a place called "accle-a-moor" > > Regards, > > Pete Burns. >