> > >I am looking for the parish !!! where my Great Grandfather was born. >RYAN Thomas. Born 1851, Carlow, parish not known > While Ryan is a very common name in Ireland, especially County Tipperary, you might try the Carlow Research Centre which has all the available religious records for the county and they are indexed for lookups. http://www.irish-roots.net/Carlow.htm -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Can anyone out there help me please, I am looking for the parish !!! where my Great Grandfather was born. RYAN Thomas. Born 1851, Carlow, parish not known Parents, Simon and Bridget he emigrated to UK, year not known Any help regarding finding the Parish ( to find the birth register or information on how to find emigration records would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Maureen Ryan abc 0800 092 3300 ext 12088 maureen.ryan@caterallen.co.uk Important: Internet communications are not necessarily secure and may be intercepted or changed after they are sent. The Abbey National Group does not accept liability for any such changes. If you wish to confirm the origin or content of this communication, please contact the sender using an alternative means of communication. This communication does not create or modify any contract. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. The Abbey National Group comprises Abbey National plc and its subsidiary group of companies, including Cater Allen Limited. Abbey National plc. Registered Office: Abbey National House, 2 Triton Square, Regents Place, London, NW1 3AN. Reg. No. 2294747. Registered in England. Cater Allen Limited Registered Office: Abbey National House, 2 Triton Square, Regents Place, London, NW1 3AN. Reg. No. 383032. Registered in England.

MY DESCENDANTS Having inherited a vigorous mind From my old fathers, I must nourish dreams And leave a woman and a man behind As vigorous of mind, and yet it seems Life scarce can cast a fragrance on the wind, Scarce spread a glory to the morning beams, But the torn petals strew the garden plot; And there's but common greenness after that. And what if my descendants lose the flower Through natural declension of the soul, Through too much business with the passing hour, Through too much play, or marriage with a fool? May this laborious stair and this stark tower Become a roofless ruin that the owl May build in the cracked masonry and cry Her desolation to the desolate sky. The Primum Mobile that fashioned us Has made the very owls in circles move; And I, that count myself most prosperous, Seeing that love and friendship are enough, For an old neighbour's friendship chose the house And decked and altered it for a girl's love, And know whatever flourish and decline These stones remain their monument and mine. -- William Butler Yeats

SNIPPET: Liverpool, like Bristol, owed its rise to its involvement in trade with Ireland - though its link with the slave trade in the 18th century was another key element. Individual migrants from Ireland came regularly to Liverpool but it was during the Great Famine (1845-9) that migration occurred on a massive scale. Many of these refugees continued on to Canada and the United States but others remained, earning a living as dock workers, as seamen, or as casual labourers in the Scotland Road area . A strongly Irish ethnic identity survived and in the 19th and early 20th centuries the Irish community in the Scotland parliamentary division regularly returned the Nationalist Party MP, T. P. O'CONNOR, (1848-1929) to Westminster. O'CONNOR had left Ireland in 1870 for a career as a London journalist and was from 1883 leader of the Nationalist Party in Great Britain He became MP for Galway in 1880, transferring in 1885 to Liverpool (Scotland), which he represented as an Irish Nationalist for the rest of his life, retaining the great affection of his constituents with a minimum of effort. Unlike his colleagues he was personally close to (David) LLOYD GEORGE and other Liberal and Labour figures. His paid appointment in December 1916 as president of the Board of Film Censors did not prevent him spending the following year fundraising for the Nationalist Party in the USA. A good deal of sectarian hostility between 'Orange' and 'Green' also existed, particularly in the Netherfield Road area of Everton. During the Second World War, however, in the wake of heavy bombing by the Luftwaffe during 'May Week' 1941, the level of secterian feeling declined. In the second half of the 20th century the links between Liverpool and Ireland became more attenuated (weakened). Immigrants from Ireland now preferred to seek work in London or the Midlands rather than the depressed area which Liverpool had become. 'Liverpool Irish' was increasingly transformed into a 'Liverpudlian' identity made familiar by the Beatles, by television series, and by the success of Liverpool Football Club. The memory of Bill SHANKLY overwhelmed that of St. Patrick. -- Excerpt, "The Oxford Companion to Irish History, New Edition," ed. S. J. CONNOLLY (2002)

SNIPPET: Per, "Paddy's Lament," by Thomas GALLAGHER (1982), a well-researched book with extensive bibliography about the famine in Ireland, perhaps nothing during the famine years more appropriately symbolized England's "helping hand" to Ireland than SOYER's Dublin soup kitchen. Monsieur SOYER was England's favorite chef de cuisine of the Reform Club of London. Since millions were to be fed, cost was uppermost in the minds of those in the exchequer, soup was naturally chosen over a bulky and substantial stew, the latter of course being what the people really needed to survive. SOYER took it upon himself, with the British government's blessing, to "feed and keep alive all the starving in Ireland" with one serving of his soup each day. On hundred gallons of it was to cost only one pound sterling, and yet it was to supply, according to Soyer, enough nourishment "for the poor of those realms" to assure that in Ireland there would be no more deaths from starvation. SOYER c! oncocted soup recipes with and without meat that were deemed to be "tasty;" for the former, every two gallons of soup was to include four ounces of beef, two ounces of dripping fat, eight ounces of flour, and one-half ounce of brown sugar with a few onions, turnip parings, and celery tops thrown in to help flavor and color the water,. Broken down it would contain the essence of one-half ounce of meat, amounting to only one of the many morsels of meat eaten by British lawmakers at the Reform Club every day in London. On April 5, 1847, fully eight months after the blight had destroyed Ireland's entire potato crop, a model kitchen and food distribution center built according to Soyer's specifications opened its door in Dublin. The wood-framed canvas building, erected near the main entrance to Phoenix Park, was 48 x 48, with an entrance at one end, an exit at the other. Iin the main apartment were a 300-gallon steam boiler and an oven capable of baking one hundredweight of bread at a time, both heated by the same fire. In front of this equipment were rows of tables 18 inches wide, in which holes were cut to hold a white-enameled quart basin to which a metal spoon was attached by a chain. SOYER planned for the people in need of his soup to file into a zigzag open-air passageway capable of holding 100 persons outside the tent. When a bell rang, these first 100 would enter the main apartment and occupy benches at the 100 bowls of soup set in the tables. Grace being said, they would use t! he chained spoons to consume the soup (the "Poor Man's Regenerator," SOYER called it), until another bell signaled that their soup time was over, whereupon, as they filed out the exit in the rear, they would each be given one-quarter pound of bread or savory biscuit. About a minute later, or just as the bowls and spoons had been swabbed with a sponge and another quart of soup poured into each bowl, the bell at the entrance would invite another 100 people in from the zigzag passageway. Soyer estimate that each cycle would take six minutes, allowing him to feed 1,000 people every hour. But opening day was a special event not so much for the hungry, who were impatient to be fed, but for the gentry, who had come for a wee nip of the famous soup and to watch the hungry fed. "His Excellency the Lord Lieutenant was there," reported the 'Dublin Evening Packet,' "the ladies PONSONBY and many other fair and delicate creatures assembled; there were earls and countesses, and lords and generals, and colonels and commissioners, and clergymen and doctors; it was a gala day, a grand gala." For the privilege of watching the hungry eat, the gentry were expected to donate five shillings each, which was to be distributed by the lord mayor in charity. "Five shillings each to see paupers feed!" wrote one reporter, "Five shillings each! To watch the burning blush of shame chasing pallidness from poverty's wane cheek! Five shillings each! When the animals in Zoological Gardens can be inspected at feeding time for sixpence!" Hence, with the beating of drums and the sound! ing of horns, with the Union Jack proudly flying from the kitchen's smoking chimney and a splendidly attired gentry nodding its approval, the British government fed the Irish a soup incapable of keeping a newborn cat alive. When copies of "The Lancet's" criticism of the soup was distributed and QUEEN VICTORIA's own physician's opinion of watery soup got abroad, Soyer decided to resign as "head cook to the people of Ireland" and return to England. After being given a dinner and a snuff box by the Dublin gentry who had watched the hungry fed on the "gala day," he boarded the first outgoing ship, never to return to the country he had vowed to save. Just before leaving, he published a sixpenny cookbook called "Charitable Cooking or The Poor Man's Regenerator," in which he said: "It requires more science to produce a good dish at trifling expense than a superior one with unlimited means." One week after opening his soup kitchen in Dublin, he was back in the more congenial atmosphere of the Reform Club in London, where he continued to delight his English patrons with "superior dishes made with unlimited means" - that is, with beef, veal, lamb, and pork brought over from Ireland on the same Live! rpool steamers whose upper decks were jammed with Irish emigrants!. Appearing on the verge of perishing from hunger was not enough; recipients of outdoor relief had to be certified by the commissioner of the district as having no means of support, no animals to eat or sell, and a potato patch utterly laid to waste by the blight. They had to give up all but a quarter acre of their land. Since there were no strict nutritional standards set up, the soup often turned out to be worse than SOYER's, depending on who was in charge at any given location. At one center it might be wholesome, with chunks of meat, vegetables and rice, and Indian meal from America, and at another, thin, almost worthless gruel, at still another, nothing more than greasy water. Many persons waiting in line to receive rations were literally dying of starvation and had walked great distances. In some areas, where guardians struck the poor off the lists for the least reason, it was necessary to appear that starved in order to receive. At Ennistymon (Co. Clare), for exam! ple, anyone imprudent enough to look healthy was refused and had his ticket taken from him. In one documented case there a woman was struck off the list for giving a few spoonfuls of her ration to the children of her starved brother who had been struck off the list. She was reinstated only after the magistrate presiding at her dead brother's inquest intervened on her behalf.

Anne KENNEDY was a poet, writer, photographer, history buff and broadcaster. She came from Orcas Island off the coast of Washington State to live in Galway, Ireland in 1977. Ms. Kennedy died in 1998, four years after she wrote this poem. BURIAL INSTRUCTIONS I don't want to be cremated my clothes sent home in a bag, my ashes sifted from the furnace grate for my Claddagh ring and gold fillings. No, plant me, like my Grandmother's blazing dahlias in the subsuming earth, where I can be lifted, where there's a chance of resurrection. How about the hump-backed hill beyond Barna riddled with Celtic crosses, or the sun-shot meadow on Orcas facing steaming Mt. Baker. On second thought Westwood is best, beside my mother where the mocking-bird sang the night she was buried. You might know the spot because that's where they placed Marilyn's ashes, in a pale marble crypt looking across at our family plot. They say it's Joe provides the perpetual rose, but no one knows for certain. Be sure you put me in the ground, where I will have a chance to rise. -- Anne Kennedy (1994) (ref. to actress Marilyn Monroe)

While Australia is really not part of our mailing list, many of our ancestor's siblings and cousins emigrated to Australia and they have just released a massive amout of birth, death and marriage records that can be searched online. Marriages go to 1854, deaths to 1974 and births to 1905. This is an index and if you find a record that is for your family, you can order the certificate. These are for New South Wales (NSW) only. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY

Thanks again to George of the Irish Heritage Newsletter. Samhain Tales Halloween was also a very important festival, a throwback to pagan times with its own rituals and traditions. Mrs. McEneaney, Castleblayney remembers, her Mother rubbing salt and oatmeal into her hair to protect her from the fairies. Maggie Malone, Carrickmacross remembers that champ was the traditional meal. "We used to put the champ out for the fairies to please them. Some poeple put it on the piers of the gate or on the doorstep. You see this was the time when the fairies moved from one fort to another." It was told that no fruit should be picked after Halloween because it has been diseased by a spirit called Puca. Michael Joe Murphy, Crossmaglen, in his book "A Slieve Gullions Foot" tells the story of a blacksmith named Willy who made a deal with the devil on the Hallow Eve to get money for drink. His fate was to wander the region with a wisp of light til the end of time. The legend of Willy-the-Wisp is still alive today preserved in a game played by many local people in their youth. "He was running around the mountain one night. If it was dark I'd show you Willy-the-Wisp, you can see him out there on the mountain. He's be running along the mountain. If I said I saw Willy-the-Wisp, people would be blessing themselves and they'd be in an awful state. I used to do it myself. You'd want some looking glasses. They'd make a reflection of you, move one of them and the light would run along the side of the mountain." -James Murphy, Mullaghbawn Halloween was generally a time of fun and celebration; "At Halloween we put two hazel nuts in the ashes and give them the name of a boy and girl. If the two burn together they will be married and if one shoots out they will separate." "Many games are played on Hallow'eve night. One is to tie an apple with a cord to the ceiling. They all get their hands tied behind their backs and they try in turn to catch the apple with their teeth. Another game for that night is to put an apple swimming on a tub of water and all try to see who could take the apple out with his teeth." "On Halloween night young girls would go blindfolded to corn sacks, pull out a stalk of corn and count the prickles. This was believed to be the number of years till they would get married." "Mostly all the tricks played refer to weddings, the person who is sweeping will be married to whoever takes the brush from the first person. To look into a looking glass in the name of the devil and whoever you are to marry will appear in the glass." "In Ireland it was thought that the fairies and the dead were very close to each other. Finvara, one of the fairy kings, was also King of the Dead, and it was thought to be very dangerous to be out after nightfall on Hallowes Eve and for a month after it, till the end of November." -Katherine Briggs, The Vanishing People: Fairy Lore and Legends. Pantheon Books,1978. "It is especially dangerous to be out on the last night of November, for it is the close of the season of revels-the last night when the dead have leave to dance on the hill with fairies, and after that thery must all go back to lie in the chill, cold earth without music or wine till the next November comes round, when they all spring up again in their shrouds and rush out into the moonlight with mad laughter." - Lady Wilde, Ancient Legends, Mystic Charms and Superstitions of Ireland. London, 1887. According to the old tradition, still observed in Ireland, by which each calendar day begins at sunset, the last day of November would end at sunset on our November 30. This makes the night of our November 29 to be the last night night of Gaelic November. The customs of disguise and itinerant begging have long been associated with Samhain, probably going back at least as far as the Druids. It has been speculated that Celtic priests disguised themselves as spirits on Samhain night to walk among the ancestors and learn from them. In Ireland, in the area of Ballycotton and Trabolgan, a pagan "trick or treat" ritual survived until the early 1900s. Local youths would gather and parade from farmhouse to farmhouse, led by a man in a white robe with a horse-head mask. The leader was known as Lair Bhan (the White Mare), and the group would ask each farmer for gifts for "Muck Olla". This name is often assumed to be a distortion of a forgotton pagan god-name, but I believe it is more likely a Gaelic term of abuse, similar to the Manx expression "muc ooillagh", meaning greasy pig. The Muck Olla followers recited a long string of verses, threatening dire consequences if the farmers did not shell out the goodies, and the party would return home well-laden with gifts of farm produce. -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY

Thanks to George of the Irish Heritage Newsletter.... Irish Recipe - Boxty is for Halloween or Samhain Boxty comes up in conversation throughout the year, usually accompanied by a wistful smile and some lip-smacking. Should you witness this behavior, kindness dictates that this treat be served as soon as humanly possible. No one will question the date, though your motives may be suspect, as in: Just how much did you say you spent on&? Never mind. Boxty is as good as absolution. Ingredients 1 cup of mashed potatoes 1 cup of grated raw potatoes 2 cups of self-rising flour 1 to 1 ½ cups of milk or buttermilk ¼ teaspoon of salt ¼ to ½ cup of butter Sour cream, optional Directions Mix the mashed potatoes with the grated raw potatoes in a large bowl. Stir in the rest of the dry ingredients and 1 cup of liquid. As the batter is mixed, add small amounts of additional milk or buttermilk until the batter is loose enough to work with. Melt two tablespoons of butter over gentle heat. When the butter is melted and the pan heated, ladle small pancakes into the pan. Brown on both sides and serve hot with more butter or sour cream. -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY

Here is an interesting article sent by the Irish Heritage newsletter... Irish Independent Sat, Oct 01 05 US offering more third-level courses 'as Gaeilge' IRISH language courses are now being offered in more universities in the US than in Ireland. A total of 29 third-level institutions across the US are running programmes in Irish for students and scholars of the native tongue. Among them are some of the most prestigious universities in the US, including Harvard and Notre Dame, the University of California at Berkeley and New York University. Globally, 55 universities are now making courses available in modern, middle and old Irish as well as Celtic Studies. Whether you are in Moscow, Sydney, Toronto, Oslo, Hamburg, Turin or Vienna you will now be able to study the cupla focail. Minister with responsibility for the promotion of Irish, Eamon O Cuiv yesterday announced the establishment of a €300,000 fund available from next year to promote the teaching of Irish in third-level institutions overseas. The fund is being provided through the Ciste na Gaeilge section of the Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs. Minister O Cuiv made the announcement at an international symposium in Notre Dame University, Indiana on the subject "Why Irish?". The minister's grandfather, Eamon de Valera had visited the university in 1919 on his tour of the US, seeking recognition for an independent Irish government. Delivering the keynote address to the symposium, Minister O Cuiv said he was delighted to return more than 85 years later as a member of government in an independent Ireland and to launch a government sponsored fund to cement and promote the ties between Ireland and universities that teach Irish around the world. He said: "These programmes foster a greater appreciation of Ireland and our culture outside the island." The Minister pointed out that the Irish language was the oldest spoken and written language in Europe, north of the Alps, and stressed the importance of linguistic diversity to the cultural heritage of people around the world. -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY

ROYAL MUNSTER FUSILIERS 101st. (1652) 104th The CORK, LIMERICK, KERRY, and CLARE REGIMENT YOUNG MEN between the ages of 18 and 25 years, wanted for this distinguished Regiment which took an active part in establishing our Indian Empire.* Good prospects of Promotion for intelligent and well-conducted men. Height, 5-ft. 4-in. and upwards. Chest Measurement, 33-in. and upwards. Weight, 115-lbs. and upwards. Every recruit receives Clothing, Kit, Rations of Bread and Meat, Lodging, Bedding, Fuel and Light, Medical Attendance, and Education Free, in addition to pay. The use of a Library and Recreation Room, Gymnasium, and opportunities to take part in outdoor games (Cricket, Football, &c.) are among the advantages enjoyed by soldiers. For full particulars as to Pay, Pension, Service, Messing, Duties, Privileges, &c., please see handbills, which can be had from the Recruiting Officer or Recruiters at Cork, Mallow, Kinsale, Strand Barracks Limerick, Tralee, or Ennis; or from Pensioner Recruiter. INFORMATION REGARDING THE ARMY OR MILITIA CAN ALSO BE OBTAINED AT ANY POST OFFICE. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN. *Many locations are named on poster and there is what appears to be an engraving entitled "Recruiting For the Royal Munster Fusiliers On St. Patrick's Day." Recruiting poster c. 1890. (National Army Museum, London).

SNIPPET: Researchers with an interest in the Royal Munster Fusiliers may wish to read the following literature: S. McCANCE, "History of the Royal Munster Fusiliers" (Aldershot 1927). R. G. HARRIS, "The Irish Regiments: A Pictorial History 1683-1987" (Tunbridge Wells 1989). Tom DOOLEY's several-page article in the Spring 1998 issue of Dublin's "History Ireland" magazine that is accompanied by sketches, paintings, posters, old photographs. THE MUNSTER FUSILIERS Come pass the call 'round Munster. Let the notes ring loud and clear. We want the merchant and the squire, The peasant and the Peer. For we mean to whip those Germans, So away with your paltry affairs And come join that grand Battalion Called the Munster Fusiliers The Kaiser knows each Munster By the shamrock on his cap And the famous Bengal tiger Ever ready for a scrap. With all his big battalions, Prussian Guards and Grenadiers, He feared to face the bayonets Of the Munster Fusiliers When marching up through Belgium Sure we thought of days of old. The cruel sights that meet your eyes Would make your blood run cold To see the ruined convents And the Holy nuns in tears. By God on high avenge or die Cried the Munster Fusiliers God rest our fallen comrades, May they take their long last sleep On the fields of France and Flanders, Sure, we have no cause to weep, For their deeds will live in history And the youth of future years Will read with pride Of the men who died, The Munster Fusiliers.

In a message dated 10/12/2005 11:38:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, nymets11@pacbell.net writes: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ > Hi Pat, First of all thank you for alerting us to this information. I accessed the above URL and after a bit of searching found this site to click: Irish of Liverpool 1851 Census On that page it tells me to click the Audio to hear the list of names. There is no audio button to click. Any suggestions? Mary

> > >On that page it tells me to click the Audio to hear the list of names. There >is no audio button to click. Any suggestions? > I didn't find the audio button. -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY

I am forwarding this with permission from Jean. I recommend ALL of her website, highly. She has been a pioneer in Irish Internet research. 1851 Census Index Liverpool—Irish born on my web site at the link below. Alternatively type Jean McCarthy into the Google search engine for a direct link. I have commenced transcribing the Index for the 1851 Census for Liverpool Irish born people. The index not only gives the surname, folio number & piece number in abbreviated form i.e. 2176/1 but also includes the given name. occupation and place of birth. In the case of entries from piece no's HO 107/2186 to HO 107/2193 the age has also been included. This index is a listing of those people who gave Ireland, an Irish County or an Irish Town as their place of birth. It does not include other family members in the census returns who were not born in Ireland. To find family members born elsewhere then reference must be made to other LDS Census Indexes or PRO films. The indexed Piece No. and Folio for the Irish born person will make this step easy. The Piece and folio numbers will give the LDS film number if a search of the full census is required. This is rather a large project which will take time to complete. Especially as particular attention is being paid to accuracy. So far the full Introduction of the Index, explanatory notes and abbreviations, Chapman Codes as well as all the surnames beginning with A has been transcribed. I will endeavour to transcribe the entire Index as soon as possible. I hope this helps at least some of you with your research. Kind Regards. Jean McCarthy nee Moore. Staffordshire, England. My own main names of interest: MOORE, (Ireland, Canada & Australia) BOWDEN, (Ireland, New Zealand, Tasmania & Australia) HAWTHORNE. (Ireland and Pennsylvania) In Co Down, Co Armagh & Co Antrim Ireland: McCALLISTER, McAULEY, FLINN, STRAIN, SPRATT, McCLENAGHAN & KENNEDY. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/ -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY

Here are some of the words you see when searching the GV. I found the info on the Origins Network subscription website. Immediate Lessor The immediate lessor was the person or organisation the occupier (usually a leaseholder) held their land from usually by payment of rent. This could be the outright owner who held the freehold, or a middle man who held an estate by some form of leasehold and sub-let the premises to the actual occupier. If this term appears in the 'Immediate lessors" field, it means the same as "As Lessor", ie that the occupier owns the land. In fee Lands held 'in fee' were freehold tenures, derived from a grant from the Crown. Lease The frequent term of a lease was 21 or 31 years, known as a 'lease of years'. Alternatively land was leased for the life time of named individuals otherwise known as a 'lease of lives', eg. typically there were three named lives, including the tenant, his son and another named individual. The lease and rent agreement remained in force until the death of all three named persons. Some of the more prosperous tenants secured the right to get renewable leases for ever, or leases for several hundred years, which were essentially freehold in all but name. However over 80% of all tenancies in the mid nineteenth century were annually set, with no security and no formal lease. Occupier The individual or corporation who owns, leases or rents a holding (tenement) and who is financially responsible for the taxes levied on the holding. This will generally be the head of the household, in the case of a house. NOTE: Particularly in urban areas there may be several households living within a single house, and only one head-of-household (if any) will be named. -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY

Bill My Grandfather served with The Rangers in the Great War as well so I to have an interest. The best way to research your Uncle is by going to the National Archives in London, which, I appreciate, may not be an option for you. Do you have any more details about him? What battalion for instance? Did he survive the war - I assume he did since he is not listed on the War Graves Commission web site. I could not find him in the medal roles either sadly. You could also join the Connaught Rangers Association based in Ireland - I have found them to be of great help. There are people based in England that will do paid research at the NA for you and I can give you some addy's for them if you like. Hope this little bit of info is of help/interest. If you have any more details of him I will gladly try to help you and please let me know if you want those web addresses. wm.karr@insightbb.com wrote: Jean, I am interested in the Connaught Rangers story, as my gr grand uncle, Samuel Fitzpatrick served with them in WWI. Do you have any information regarding him in the Rangers? Bill Karr, Peoria, IL., USA Pól Grandson of a Connaught Ranger Researching: O'Connor, O'Brien, Willmott and Coakley in Cork Pryor and Bull in South London & Surrey Reeves in Killarney --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.

Jean, I am interested in the Connaught Rangers story, as my gr grand uncle, Samuel Fitzpatrick served with them in WWI. Do you have any information regarding him in the Rangers? Bill Karr, Peoria, IL., USA > SNIPPET: Among the large number of departmental records made available to > researchers in 1998 was one bulky file from 1968 containing correspondence > relating to the repatriation of the remains of the Connaught Rangers mutineers > who had died in India in 1920. The release of these documents renders timely an > examination of their mutiny and prompts further reflection on the role of the > Irish soldier in Britain's Empire overseas. "If you want to know who the leader > is, I am -- James DALY, number 35025 of Tyrellspass, Co. Westmeath, Ireland" - > so Private DALY of the Connaught Rangers stationed at Solon, a strategic > garrison on the road between Delhi and Simla allegedly shouted to the officers > guarding the munitions store which James and his fellow Rangers had attempted to > seize. In the confusion of their attack, two men were killed and one seriously > wounded. What the military authorities might just possibly have viewed > indulgently, might even have been tempted to pass over a! > s an 'incident,' was transformed into a full-scale 'mutiny' which had to be > crushed with exemplary force. Before the summer was over, 61 Rangers were > convicted by courts martial of mutiny; fourteen were sentenced to death and the > remainder to varying periods of imprisonment. Many sentences were reduced on > appeal, but DALY's conviction was upheld and he was shot at sun-up at Dagshai > Barracks on 2 Nov 1920. He was the last soldier of the British Army to suffer > death in peace or war for a military offence, per Thomas BARTLETT's article in > the Spring 1998 issue of "History Ireland" magazine, published in Dublin. > (Please refer to that article for further details, below are just excerpts.....) > > DALY had claimed to be the leader of the mutinous soldiers at Solon and while > this was undoubtedly true, he had not in fact instigated the protest. This had > begun 200 miles away at Wellington Barracks, Jullundur, in the Punjab on Sunday, > 27 June 1920. That night, a small group of Rangers (among them DALY's brother, > William) had been discussing the appalling state of affairs at home and they had > decided to make a protest against British military atrocities in Ireland: they > would 'ground arms' and refuse to soldier. They were quickly joined by several > hundred other Rangers (including at least one Englishman). Joseph HAWES, from > Kilrush, Co. Clare - a veteran of the Front and Gallipoli - was the prime mover > at this stage. Smoking a cigarette, Private HAWES coolly informed his > Commanding Office, Lt. Colonel DEACON, that the men would not return to their > duty until all British soldiers had left Ireland, and then he had the Tricolour > run up the flag post. It is not recorded! > which of these actions most infuriated Col. DEACON. > > At this point, HAWES and his fellow-mutineeres took the fateful decision to > spread the protest to the Connaught Ranger companies at Jutogh and Solon. > Emissaries were dispatched to these garrisons and, though the men at the Jutogh > hill-station remained loyal, the Rangers at Solon, led by James DALY, decided to > ground arms. DALY, like HAWES, told his captain that they would soldier no more > until all British soldiers had been withdrawn from Ireland. Under pressure from > the Catholic chaplain at Solon, Fr. Benjamin BAKER, the mutineers agreed to > remove all their weapons to the magazine for safekeeping. That night, however, > a party of men led by DALY made an attempt to recover their arms and in the > engagement two of them, Patrick SMYTHE and Peter SEARS, were killed. Within a > few days, both garrisons at Jullundur and Solon were occupied by royal regiment > -- without incident -- and the mutineers were marched off to face court martial. > > Why had the Connaught Rangers mutinied? The regimental historian understandably > sought reasons within the regiment. Most of those who had grounded arms had > been new recruits. Enlisted in 1919 and shipped out immediately to India, they > had been subjected to a rigorous training schedule on the plains of the Punjab > at the hottest season of the year. In addition, their officers had been > remarkably irresolute and incompetent... the mutineers, to some extent, 'were > influenced by the political news from home contained in letters which had > arrived the day before.' Young DALY, for his part, made no attempt to hide his > deep hatred for British actions in Ireland. But why then had he enlisted in > April 191 when the War of Independence was underway? There is no suggestion > that he had infiltrated the Connaught Rangers (as the Fenians had done generally > in the British army in the 1860s) in order to sow disaffection. Nor can it be > claimed that he was acting in concert with his broth! > er in Jullundur: William DALY had been active at the beginning of the protest > but he had backed away from it within 24 hours. James's youth (21 when shot), > his coolness under pressure, his assertive personality and his effective > leadership were perhaps characteristics that prompted him to take the lead in > the protest at Solon. Perhaps they also made it impossible for him to pull back > in time. In his last letter to his mother, he remarked that 'I wish to the Lord > that I had not started on getting into this trouble at all,' but he concluded > the note by claiming that 'it is all for Ireland.' (There is a photo of James > DALY in uniform in "History Ireland"). > > Why was James DALY shot? In the eyes of the authorities, DALY had to die, not > for Ireland, but for India. The mutineers had been wholly conscious of the > historical resonance of the word 'mutiny' in India, where memories of the > Cawnpore massacre of 1857 were still fresh; hence their ready agreement to lock > away their arms lest the 'natives' should seizure them; and hence their resolute > avoidance of the word 'mutiny' in favour of 'grounding arms.' The mutineers made > no attempt to make common cause with the Indians who surrounded them. HAYES may > have reflected that 'we are doing in India what the British forces were doing in > Ireland,' but that was as far as it went. No attempt was made to make contact > with the Indian National movement; the imprisoned mutineers gave no thought to > escape in a hostile country. Lord Chelmsford, the Viceroy, remarked candidly > that 'we should find ourselves in a position of great difficulty in the future > with regard to Indian troops if, in the ! > case of British soldiers, we did not enforce the supreme penalty where > conditions justified it.' The fact was that the mutiny of the Connaught Rangers > had mildly shaken British rule in India, not Ireland, and the mutineers had to > suffer accordingly. > > Within a few years the Connaught Rangers and five other Irish regiments were > disbanded, and in January 1923 the imprisoned mutineers were finally released > from the rigours of British goals. They had claimed political status and thus > set in train a grim cycle of bread and water punishments, solitary confinements, > hunger-strikes and force-feeding. The men arrived home to equal amounts of > public adulation and private penury. A long campaign was embarked upon to > obtain pension rights from the Irish government comparable to those forfeited as > a result of the mutiny... progress was slow, eventually some money was paid out > to survivors. Later there was further recognition when a Connaught Rangers > Cenotaph was unveiled at Glasnevin cemetery in 1949. Finally, in 1970, James > DALY's body and the bodies of the two men who had been killed during the raid on > the arms store were brought back from India; DALY was buried at Tyrellspass and > the others were reinterred at Glasnevin. The r! > emains of a fourth mutineer, John MIRANDA, who had died in prison in India (born > in Liverpool of a Spanish father and Irish mother), over the protest by a member > of the National Graves Association, remained in India. The original mutineer, > Joseph HAWES, then aged 77, was present at DALY's reinterrment and pronounced > him to be 'as brave a man as ever stood before a firing party.' The mutiny of > the Connaught Rangers was at last laid to rest. (Note, "History Ireland" > magazine takes an in-depth look at historical matters). > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi, Bill - Google "Commonwealth War Graves Commission" or CWGC. The searchable UK database has valuable information on 1.7 million men and women servicemen and civilians who died as a result of enemy action/wounds suffered in the First and Second World Wars. (It takes a little while to download.) The WW-I DATA OFTEN GIVES NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF NEXT OF KIN. Information may be found in the database by surname and given name or surname and initial/s. I believe they list other informational websites, as well. If that would not pertain to your particular FH, you can try "googling" Connaught Rangers First World War with/without FITZPATRICK, or Connaught Rangers Records, see what comes up. ---- Original Message ----- From: <wm.karr@insightbb.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Connaught Rangers Mutiny - India, July 1920 -- James DALY, Tyrellspass, Co. Westmeath > Jean, > > I am interested in the Connaught Rangers story, as my gr grand uncle, Samuel > FITZPATRICK served with them in WWI. Do you have any information regarding him > in the Rangers? > > Bill Karr, Peoria, IL., USA > > > > SNIPPET: Among the large number of departmental records made available to > > researchers in 1998 was one bulky file from 1968 containing correspondence > > relating to the repatriation of the remains of the Connaught Rangers mutineers > > who had died in India in 1920. The release of these documents renders timely an > > examination of their mutiny and prompts further reflection on the role of the > > Irish soldier in Britain's Empire overseas. <snip>

SNIPPET: Among the large number of departmental records made available to researchers in 1998 was one bulky file from 1968 containing correspondence relating to the repatriation of the remains of the Connaught Rangers mutineers who had died in India in 1920. The release of these documents renders timely an examination of their mutiny and prompts further reflection on the role of the Irish soldier in Britain's Empire overseas. "If you want to know who the leader is, I am -- James DALY, number 35025 of Tyrellspass, Co. Westmeath, Ireland" - so Private DALY of the Connaught Rangers stationed at Solon, a strategic garrison on the road between Delhi and Simla allegedly shouted to the officers guarding the munitions store which James and his fellow Rangers had attempted to seize. In the confusion of their attack, two men were killed and one seriously wounded. What the military authorities might just possibly have viewed indulgently, might even have been tempted to pass over a! s an 'incident,' was transformed into a full-scale 'mutiny' which had to be crushed with exemplary force. Before the summer was over, 61 Rangers were convicted by courts martial of mutiny; fourteen were sentenced to death and the remainder to varying periods of imprisonment. Many sentences were reduced on appeal, but DALY's conviction was upheld and he was shot at sun-up at Dagshai Barracks on 2 Nov 1920. He was the last soldier of the British Army to suffer death in peace or war for a military offence, per Thomas BARTLETT's article in the Spring 1998 issue of "History Ireland" magazine, published in Dublin. (Please refer to that article for further details, below are just excerpts.....) DALY had claimed to be the leader of the mutinous soldiers at Solon and while this was undoubtedly true, he had not in fact instigated the protest. This had begun 200 miles away at Wellington Barracks, Jullundur, in the Punjab on Sunday, 27 June 1920. That night, a small group of Rangers (among them DALY's brother, William) had been discussing the appalling state of affairs at home and they had decided to make a protest against British military atrocities in Ireland: they would 'ground arms' and refuse to soldier. They were quickly joined by several hundred other Rangers (including at least one Englishman). Joseph HAWES, from Kilrush, Co. Clare - a veteran of the Front and Gallipoli - was the prime mover at this stage. Smoking a cigarette, Private HAWES coolly informed his Commanding Office, Lt. Colonel DEACON, that the men would not return to their duty until all British soldiers had left Ireland, and then he had the Tricolour run up the flag post. It is not recorded! which of these actions most infuriated Col. DEACON. At this point, HAWES and his fellow-mutineeres took the fateful decision to spread the protest to the Connaught Ranger companies at Jutogh and Solon. Emissaries were dispatched to these garrisons and, though the men at the Jutogh hill-station remained loyal, the Rangers at Solon, led by James DALY, decided to ground arms. DALY, like HAWES, told his captain that they would soldier no more until all British soldiers had been withdrawn from Ireland. Under pressure from the Catholic chaplain at Solon, Fr. Benjamin BAKER, the mutineers agreed to remove all their weapons to the magazine for safekeeping. That night, however, a party of men led by DALY made an attempt to recover their arms and in the engagement two of them, Patrick SMYTHE and Peter SEARS, were killed. Within a few days, both garrisons at Jullundur and Solon were occupied by royal regiment -- without incident -- and the mutineers were marched off to face court martial. Why had the Connaught Rangers mutinied? The regimental historian understandably sought reasons within the regiment. Most of those who had grounded arms had been new recruits. Enlisted in 1919 and shipped out immediately to India, they had been subjected to a rigorous training schedule on the plains of the Punjab at the hottest season of the year. In addition, their officers had been remarkably irresolute and incompetent... the mutineers, to some extent, 'were influenced by the political news from home contained in letters which had arrived the day before.' Young DALY, for his part, made no attempt to hide his deep hatred for British actions in Ireland. But why then had he enlisted in April 191 when the War of Independence was underway? There is no suggestion that he had infiltrated the Connaught Rangers (as the Fenians had done generally in the British army in the 1860s) in order to sow disaffection. Nor can it be claimed that he was acting in concert with his broth! er in Jullundur: William DALY had been active at the beginning of the protest but he had backed away from it within 24 hours. James's youth (21 when shot), his coolness under pressure, his assertive personality and his effective leadership were perhaps characteristics that prompted him to take the lead in the protest at Solon. Perhaps they also made it impossible for him to pull back in time. In his last letter to his mother, he remarked that 'I wish to the Lord that I had not started on getting into this trouble at all,' but he concluded the note by claiming that 'it is all for Ireland.' (There is a photo of James DALY in uniform in "History Ireland"). Why was James DALY shot? In the eyes of the authorities, DALY had to die, not for Ireland, but for India. The mutineers had been wholly conscious of the historical resonance of the word 'mutiny' in India, where memories of the Cawnpore massacre of 1857 were still fresh; hence their ready agreement to lock away their arms lest the 'natives' should seizure them; and hence their resolute avoidance of the word 'mutiny' in favour of 'grounding arms.' The mutineers made no attempt to make common cause with the Indians who surrounded them. HAYES may have reflected that 'we are doing in India what the British forces were doing in Ireland,' but that was as far as it went. No attempt was made to make contact with the Indian National movement; the imprisoned mutineers gave no thought to escape in a hostile country. Lord Chelmsford, the Viceroy, remarked candidly that 'we should find ourselves in a position of great difficulty in the future with regard to Indian troops if, in the ! case of British soldiers, we did not enforce the supreme penalty where conditions justified it.' The fact was that the mutiny of the Connaught Rangers had mildly shaken British rule in India, not Ireland, and the mutineers had to suffer accordingly. Within a few years the Connaught Rangers and five other Irish regiments were disbanded, and in January 1923 the imprisoned mutineers were finally released from the rigours of British goals. They had claimed political status and thus set in train a grim cycle of bread and water punishments, solitary confinements, hunger-strikes and force-feeding. The men arrived home to equal amounts of public adulation and private penury. A long campaign was embarked upon to obtain pension rights from the Irish government comparable to those forfeited as a result of the mutiny... progress was slow, eventually some money was paid out to survivors. Later there was further recognition when a Connaught Rangers Cenotaph was unveiled at Glasnevin cemetery in 1949. Finally, in 1970, James DALY's body and the bodies of the two men who had been killed during the raid on the arms store were brought back from India; DALY was buried at Tyrellspass and the others were reinterred at Glasnevin. The r! emains of a fourth mutineer, John MIRANDA, who had died in prison in India (born in Liverpool of a Spanish father and Irish mother), over the protest by a member of the National Graves Association, remained in India. The original mutineer, Joseph HAWES, then aged 77, was present at DALY's reinterrment and pronounced him to be 'as brave a man as ever stood before a firing party.' The mutiny of the Connaught Rangers was at last laid to rest. (Note, "History Ireland" magazine takes an in-depth look at historical matters).