I have updated the Ireland books section of my website. New books have been added in all sections: Parish History, Local History, Genealogy, History, Fiction. New volunteers have also been added to do lookups in the books. You can find the links by going to the URL below my name. At the top of my homepage, under Ireland, click on Ireland Books. That will take you to the Ireland Books Discussion Mailing List website. At the bottom of that page, you will find links to both the Parish History Books and to the Ireland Book List. If you would like to add books to this website, just use the convenient forms at the bottom of all the book pages. If you would like to volunteer to do lookups, just email me off list. If your email address has changed and you are a lookup volunteer, please write me off list, giving the the book category and title. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Still searching for my ancestors. Would appreciate any information on Richard FOY [var.sp.] b IRELAND 1816 approx. and Margaret GORMAN b IRELAND 1811 approx. Regards with thanks. Margaret NJ USA tootsfoyward@yahoo.com

Hi Mary Try this link http://www.dunbrody.com/home.htm The ship is moored at New Ross,County Wexford I'm sure that Joseph O'Connor must have had the Dunbrody in mind when he wrote Star of the Sea - for anyone who hasn't read the book about the 26 day voyage from Ireland to USA in 1847 it's a fantastic story On my visit I was told that they are hoping to sail the Dunbrody over to Wales and then across the Altlantic next year. Hope this helps Cheers Gill ----- Original Message ----- From: <MCasey863@aol.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:55:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gilliandavies@lineone.net writes: > >> Went to the Dunbrody Famine ship > > Hi Gill, > > Can you please tell me where the above ship is located? What county? > > Thanks for your account. Mary > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > To unsub or change your subscription: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

SNIPPET: The relationship between Ireland, the Irish and Britain has always been complex. Such was the case during WW-II when the South was neutral. At the time there was a fierce defence of Irish neutrality. Indeed, by the end of the war neutrality had become almost a core value of Irish society, certainly among those who supported Fianna Fail. At the same time, a large number of Irish citizens willingly went to Britain during the war, some to work, many others to join the armed forces. On 28 April 1995, then Taoiseach John BRUTON, speaking at the Irish National War Memorial Park, Islandbridge, Dublin, brought full recognisation of the involvement of Irish citizens in the British forces in the Second World War. He spoke movingly of 150,000 Irish people from North and South who volunteered to fight the Nazis. He pointed out that 10,000 had died while serving in the British forces. This had a particular significance he maintained. "In recalling their bravery, we are recalling a shared experience of Irish and British people ... We remember a British part of the inheritance of all who live in Ireland." While such sentiments might not be supported by everyone, the significance of the Taoiseach articulating them at Islandbridge in the company not only of all the political parties in the Republic, but also the Alliance Party, the Ulster Unionist Party, the SDLP and Sinn Fein cannot be denied. Such a speech will not remove the divisions among those represented at the memorial ceremony, but the recognition that those who volunteered to fight for Britain in World War II did so for honourable reasons may in the longer term contribute to a fuller appreciation and interpretation of the complexities of Irish and British relations at the time. It was noted also that the most signal honour that any British sailor, soldier, or airman, officer or man could win was the Victoria Cross, and that in WW-II twelve were won by volunteers from Erin. -- Excerpts, "History Ireland" magazine, Spring 1998.

In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:55:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, gilliandavies@lineone.net writes: > Went to the Dunbrody Famine ship Hi Gill, Can you please tell me where the above ship is located? What county? Thanks for your account. Mary

Hi Mary, Gill's account was of her trip was so nice to hear. That is what I like about "Pat's lists," lots of people join in, make it more interesting! CO. WEXFORD -- Per a 2005 guide book: "The southeast corner of Ireland is peppered with pretty views and historic sites easily accessible to drivers as a day trip from Waterford. Five, each within an hour's drive of Waterford, are worth considering -- The dramatic Hook Head lighthouse, the Dunbrody Famine Ship , Kennedy Homestead, Irish National Heritage Park in Wexford, National 1798 Visitors Centre at Enniscorthy. Permanently moored in to the tiny port of New Ross (Wexford), this was built as a reminder of the countless hungry Irish who sailed to America on ships like this. The "Dunbrody" is a full-scale reconstruction of a 19th-century three-masted bark built in Quebec in 1845. It's typical of the trading vessels that sailed empty to America to pick up goods, but during the famine found they could make a little money on the westward voyage. Extended families camped out for 50 days on bunk beds no bigger than a king-size mattress. Often, boats like this would arrive in America with only fifty percent of their original human cargo -- hence the nickname "coffin ships." After a 10-minute video about the building of the ship, you'll follow an excellent guide through the ship and encounter a couple of grumpy "passengers" who will tell vivid tales about life aboard. Rootseekers are welcome to peruse their computerized file of one million names of immigrants who sailed from 1846 through 1865. www.dunbrody.com. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <MCasey863@aol.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > In a message dated 11/14/2005 2:55:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gilliandavies@lineone.net writes: > > > Went to the Dunbrody Famine ship > > Hi Gill, > > Can you please tell me where the above ship is located? What county? > > Thanks for your account. Mary

Hi Jean Yes send over your address and I can get stuff off to you -if you wish I can get a Liverpool Street Guide and places to see etc . Went to the Dunbrody Famine ship which was very interesting, I was no end impressed by the work done but a little disappointed with the presentation. We had some characters talking to us about their experiences on board which was good, I asked them some questions about their life in the New World and got no answers, as they were still on the voyage and hadn't got there yet!!They made me look daft!! Now - the Ship is too shipshape and doesn't convey the horror of overcrowding and the conditions as does the Maritime Museum in Liverpool. However it is a must to visit. The Captain for much of the Famine period was a Welshman and much regarded for his humane treatment of folk. The ship under him was in demand because of the low mortality rates and his kindness. I visited all sorts of places including Wexford goal - well worth a visit and very gruesome. The guide/goaler nearly scared myself and another lady to death, we thought he was really crazy - which of course he was supposed to be! Strange enough, in Ruthin here there is a cafe where I go for sandwiches at lunch time when at work. The handsome Irish lad who works there is from Wexford and happens to be a pal of the mad goaler, who apparently is an actor and 'mad'! Also went to Waterford Crystal which was a great tour. My 83 year old Mum is unsteady on her feet - a wheel chair was produced and she was treated like a VIP on the whole tour. The kindness was as big a treat as the tour. We stayed in Gory which I like alot, it's a very interesting town. We went (again) to Avoca weavering mill and did the Ballykissangel tour (again!) I have some pics of the goal and the interior of the ship if anyone wants them sending off list Anyway got to go to work today - I'm working as Community Archivist at Ruthin Goal until January - very nice too and alot nicer than Wexford Goal! Speak soon Gill PS I really like being called Gillie - it made me feel good this morning I promised to look up Ford for you and I will, sorry about the delay I've had a few problems in the home front ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > Hi, Ms.Gillie - What did you do in Waterford and Wexford? Our plan is to > stay in 3-4 places in different parts of Ireland after our guided bus > tour, > to see sites the tour missed. I am hoping to see the Dunbrody famine ship > replica, which I believe is in New Ross, Wexford? Gill, you are a sweetie > to offer to put a roof over our heads and/or meet with us in Liverpool for > a > "cuppa," per another of your e-mails. I would like to meet you, I know. > Have to run it by my sis, and cousin again. Our travel plans are not > solidified yet, as my sister has sold her home, bought another which is > being refurbished, and in the interim is living with a friend who doesn't > have a computer. We will have to settle here soon on which guided bus > tour > we want to take, and we can then better plan where to spend the remainder > of > our time exploring different regions of Ireland the final week by rental > car, local buses, rail - hopefully, Liverpool, too. Personally, we would > love to visit Wales, Scotland, London, etc., but "our eyes are bigger than > our pocketbooks." I think that unless we could find my elderly English > FORD > cousin in Wales, Leslie FORD, and he agreed to meet us, we probably would > not be heading for Wales. > > You asked about his address. I believes Les FORD still lives "north of > Tenbury, and six miles from Cardigan Bay," per his description. Any idea > of > where that would be? I have corresponded with him via e-mail in the past, > but have lost touch with him in the couple years. > > If I had the address of he and his second wife "Tricia" (Patricia?), I > would write to them and see if they might want to meet us next summer. > > In the sad event he is deceased, I would like to have his newspaper death > notice for my family history. Leslie worked at one time for the BBC, as a > transmitter, lived in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England, said that he "was > now > living in a 400-year-old stone farmhouse in Wales" with Tricia. I believe > that is in/near Pembrokeshire? I haven't heard from Les via e-mail in the > last couple of years - but we would be thrilled to meet him and his wife, > Tricia -- and you, too. > > Gill - Do you have access to some Welsh old/new city directories, phone > directories, etc.? Think he has lived there for many years. (I do have > an > photo of Leslie FORD as a young man on the occasion of his first marriage > to > Helen SMITH in Tunbridge Wells in the 1950s that was sent to me by a > historian, photographer and author friend of his, the late Michael > WHEELER, > author "Langton Green 1939-1945"). (Oddly, when I sought to get Mr. > FORD's > address from Mr. WHEELER, recently, I found that Mr. WHEELER's funeral had > taken place that very day!). > > Les has a grown son "Jerry," who went to Skinner's Boys School in > Tunbridge > Wells, and two sisters, Kathleen (FORD) CRUNDWELL (Mrs. Freddie) in > Groomsbridge, Kent, and Doris FORD in Langton Green. These names would > likely appear in any obituary. Hopefully, he is still "alive and > kicking." > It would mean so much to meet him or be back in touch with him. f you > found > anything on him, or his phone number, maybe you could even call him, see > if > he wants to meet us (all?) at some location??? Likely July 2006. We would > be staying in a B&B, so as not to put anyone out. We likely won't be > getting over London-way (T/W), but maybe his sisters would like to see us, > too. At the least, maybe they would like to write to me and exchange > copies > of old photographs. Wouldn't that be grand! I could give you my home > address, privately. Jean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gill Smith" <gilliandavies@lineone.net> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > > >> Hello Jean >> >> I've been a bit out of touch over the last few weeks but have managed to > get >> back to the list now. <snip> >> > > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

There are fast ferries now, times can vary between 90 minutes and 4 hours and the crossing is seldom rough since they go quite fast; and there are still the conventional ones, with up to 6 - 8 hours crossing times - even an overnighter, I think. There are also crossings from Holyhead to Dublin. Try, _www.poirishsea.com_ (http://www.poirishsea.com) _www.stenaline.co.uk_ (http://www.stenaline.co.uk) _www.irelandbycar.co.uk_ (http://www.irelandbycar.co.uk) _www.irishferries.com_ (http://www.irishferries.com) _www.irishseaexpress.com_ (http://www.irishseaexpress.com) You could also try _www.ferrysavers.com_ (http://www.ferrysavers.com/) I used Ryanair fairly regular ( Blackpool to London Stansted ) with no different service problems, if there are any, than any other airlines, and know several folk who use the Liverpool to Dublin route AOK. Eric Nolan Near Blackburn Lancashire UK In a message dated 12/11/2005 21:45:15 GMT Standard Time, IRISH-IN-UK-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: X-Message: #4 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:25:48 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <b07201c5e7b6$820fb9e0$8b403fce@jean> Subject: Dublin to Liverpool. Query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" QUERY: Has anyone taken the ferry across the Irish Sea, or Aer Lingus or Ryanair flights from Dublin to Liverpool's John Lennon airport and back? If so, what were your experiences? Did you have problems with seasickness rough sea?) and length of crossing, flight cancellations, transportation to/from airports, finding decent accommodations? Hope to visit Liverpool (where dad was born in 1903) on my summer 2006 trip to Ireland. Since likely a two-day stay in Liverpool, will probably get around by bus or taxi. Will likely save seeing rest of England for another trip. Thank you! Jean

Hi, Ms.Gillie - What did you do in Waterford and Wexford? Our plan is to stay in 3-4 places in different parts of Ireland after our guided bus tour, to see sites the tour missed. I am hoping to see the Dunbrody famine ship replica, which I believe is in New Ross, Wexford? Gill, you are a sweetie to offer to put a roof over our heads and/or meet with us in Liverpool for a "cuppa," per another of your e-mails. I would like to meet you, I know. Have to run it by my sis, and cousin again. Our travel plans are not solidified yet, as my sister has sold her home, bought another which is being refurbished, and in the interim is living with a friend who doesn't have a computer. We will have to settle here soon on which guided bus tour we want to take, and we can then better plan where to spend the remainder of our time exploring different regions of Ireland the final week by rental car, local buses, rail - hopefully, Liverpool, too. Personally, we would love to visit Wales, Scotland, London, etc., but "our eyes are bigger than our pocketbooks." I think that unless we could find my elderly English FORD cousin in Wales, Leslie FORD, and he agreed to meet us, we probably would not be heading for Wales. You asked about his address. I believes Les FORD still lives "north of Tenbury, and six miles from Cardigan Bay," per his description. Any idea of where that would be? I have corresponded with him via e-mail in the past, but have lost touch with him in the couple years. If I had the address of he and his second wife "Tricia" (Patricia?), I would write to them and see if they might want to meet us next summer. In the sad event he is deceased, I would like to have his newspaper death notice for my family history. Leslie worked at one time for the BBC, as a transmitter, lived in Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England, said that he "was now living in a 400-year-old stone farmhouse in Wales" with Tricia. I believe that is in/near Pembrokeshire? I haven't heard from Les via e-mail in the last couple of years - but we would be thrilled to meet him and his wife, Tricia -- and you, too. Gill - Do you have access to some Welsh old/new city directories, phone directories, etc.? Think he has lived there for many years. (I do have an photo of Leslie FORD as a young man on the occasion of his first marriage to Helen SMITH in Tunbridge Wells in the 1950s that was sent to me by a historian, photographer and author friend of his, the late Michael WHEELER, author "Langton Green 1939-1945"). (Oddly, when I sought to get Mr. FORD's address from Mr. WHEELER, recently, I found that Mr. WHEELER's funeral had taken place that very day!). Les has a grown son "Jerry," who went to Skinner's Boys School in Tunbridge Wells, and two sisters, Kathleen (FORD) CRUNDWELL (Mrs. Freddie) in Groomsbridge, Kent, and Doris FORD in Langton Green. These names would likely appear in any obituary. Hopefully, he is still "alive and kicking." It would mean so much to meet him or be back in touch with him. f you found anything on him, or his phone number, maybe you could even call him, see if he wants to meet us (all?) at some location??? Likely July 2006. We would be staying in a B&B, so as not to put anyone out. We likely won't be getting over London-way (T/W), but maybe his sisters would like to see us, too. At the least, maybe they would like to write to me and exchange copies of old photographs. Wouldn't that be grand! I could give you my home address, privately. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Smith" <gilliandavies@lineone.net> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > Hello Jean > > I've been a bit out of touch over the last few weeks but have managed to get > back to the list now. <snip> >

Hello Jean I've been a bit out of touch over the last few weeks but have managed to get back to the list now If you sail from Dublin to Liverpool it will have to be via P&O or Merchant Ferries (the latter docks at Birkenhead) . The sailing is about 8 hours and sea conditions are unpredictable http://www.liverpoolairport.com/section.php?s=19 the flight is about 35/40mins You can get over to Holyhead- 90 mins or so on the Fast ferries. You would need to get a train to Liverpool from there. Liverpool John Lennon (yuk) Airport is a bit out of the city and you would need to get a taxi. Accomodation in Liverpool isn't spectacular but is improving I said that I would help if you needed anything from this end and I will be very pleased to if you need me to help The offer includes a roof over your heads if necessary - I'm in North Wales mid way between Holyhead Ferry and Liverpool! You are very welcome to use me as a stop over, I've plenty of room and the views are great! Anyway anything I can do please shout. I had a list of Street names to look up for you but I had a 'blip' on my PC do you want to re-send? Where in Ireland are you off to? I was over there 3 weeks ago around Waterford and Wexford and always feel sad leaving Regards Gill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > Hi Ciaran, Thank you for taking the time to compose such a marvelous > reply. > My father sailed from Liverpool (Albert Docks?) on the "Montcalm," a > Canadian-Pacific Railway owned ship in 1925 with his widowed mother and a > sister. I know they were on a "quota" type list for two years before > being > allowed to emigrate to the USA. It was evidently a cheaper, "package > deal," whereby, you got off the CPR steamer in Quebec City, took a CPR > train across Canada, entering the USA at a port along the border. I hope > to > see the famous sailing museum in Liverpool. Tell me, how do you pronounce > your given name? I am assuming it is a male name, isn't there a saint by > that name? J. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CIARAN COLGAN" <CHGGF@btinternet.com> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > > >> Jean >> >> I hope you get a chance to see a little of the real Liverpool in the >> short >> time >> you are there. It has a healthy Irish population and disporia . <snip> > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > To unsub or change your subscription: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Sorry, Pat. I thought you were a he because you are a Mets fan. We had to wait 88 years. We have been waiting almost as long for the Cubs. Just goes to show the patience of a Chicago fan. Bill Karr in Peoria, IL., USA

Hi Jean I guess you may find your way to Toxtech. I would suggest you pop into the living museum next door to the Marine Museum at the Albert Docks and check out the living conditions of the people of Liverpool over the centuries. It will help you to understand why your dad left for the New World if I am not to presumptuous. Around that period Liverpool entered into economic depression until the 1980s when the Toxtech riots forced government to take notice. Liverpool has been designated European Cultural City of the Year 2008 which is all part of the recovery programme which is making Liverpool an attractive destination. Incidentally Cork City holds the honour for 2005. I also have rembered the British Open Golf tournament is on the Wirral next summer and will have huge impact on accommodation prices etc if you chosse the wrong week to visit. It one of the worlds major golf events. My first name is an Irish Christian name pronounced maybe kier- raw- on. I noticed you mentioned the Blair's. Blair's mother/ grand mother was born in Donegal and moved to Scotland and Cherie has an Irish Catholic background. ciaran chggf@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > Hi Ciaran, Thank you for taking the time to compose such a marvelous > reply. > My father sailed from Liverpool (Albert Docks?) on the "Montcalm," a > Canadian-Pacific Railway owned ship in 1925 with his widowed mother and a > sister. I know they were on a "quota" type list for two years before > being > allowed to emigrate to the USA. It was evidently a cheaper, "package > deal," whereby, you got off the CPR steamer in Quebec City, took a CPR > train across Canada, entering the USA at a port along the border. I hope > to > see the famous sailing museum in Liverpool. Tell me, how do you pronounce > your given name? I am assuming it is a male name, isn't there a saint by > that name? J. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CIARAN COLGAN" <CHGGF@btinternet.com> > To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > > >> Jean >> >> I hope you get a chance to see a little of the real Liverpool in the >> short >> time >> you are there. It has a healthy Irish population and disporia . <snip> > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > To unsub or change your subscription: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Joy, Pat lives in the US, check his email address. He a Mets fan, go figure. Yeah, Sox! Bill Karr in Peoria, IL., USA > Could you please post the amount of ingredients in measurements that we > Americans can understand? Thanks very much. > Joy E. Bold > > > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:10:02 -0800 > From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> > To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Irish Shepard's Pie Recipe > > This is one of my favorites...thanks to George at the Irish Heritage > Newsletter. > > Shepherd's Pie > 450g of minced beef > 1 tablespoon of olive oil > 2 medium sized chopped onions > 75g chopped carrots > 1 teaspoon of thyme > 1 tablespoon of chopped parsley > 1 tablespoon of plain flour > 275ml of beef stock > 1 tablespoon of tomato puree > Salt and pepper > 900g of potatoes > 50g of butter > Joy Bold > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Jean I hope you get a chance to see a little of the real Liverpool in the short time you are there. It has a healthy Irish population and disporia . It is estimated between 1830 /1930 around nine million Irish people left Liverpool for the New World the equivalent of the entire pre famine population. Those who stayed formed up to 20 percent of the cities population. Another eight million from mainland Europe came to Liverpool via Hull for the New World Liverpool is the official sister city of Dublin with a very a very important economic axis in operation. A lot of Irish Business's with their resources are now helping to regenerate the city which shared the same social and economic deprivations of Dublin during the 19th/20th Centuries. Thus the Liverpool/Dublin bond. Many famous Liverpudlians with Irish roots are to numerous. to name but a good example would be the Beatles The grandparents of McCartney Harrison and Lennon all came from Ireland. I would suggest you look at the web site http://www.liverpool-wirral.co.uk. As you have a short stay in Liverpool I would suggest it might be better value to find accommodation in the city area. Depending on your mobility most places are about 20/30 minutes apart by walking to and fro from and within the city centre edge. Depending on the time of year you intend to travel accommodation could be tricky. If Liverpool or Everton have matches on at a particular weekend lots of Irish travel over from Dublin not to mind the short weekend breaks during bank holidays if the weather is good. Horse racing at Aintree attracts a lot of Dubliners. Do not leave accommodation as a low priority the sooner you book it the better if you are not on a package deal. You can get good cheap accommodation out side the city centre. It could prove inconvenient due to the little time available to you as I found to my cost recently if you are out late after midnight. If you are there on a Saturday night Taxis could prove a problem due to the night life of young people and the associated huge binge drinking problem in the UK. There is a quick Catamaran service from Dublin Docks to Liverpool city centre. The connection from Dublin city centre to the docks whilst not a long journey public transport can be bad. Catamaran sailing. I think you are talking 3/4 hours The longer way is by ferry which would eat up your time. Whatever you do not use the Holyhead route. I think the best method is by airline and get tickets built into your flight package from the States. It is probably cheaper as an add on for a short flight 45 minutes. Buy your tickets sooner rather than later you will get great value if on the independent method Again do it sooner rather than later as the busiest air routes in Europe are between the UK and Ireland. The Irish Sea is generally ok. The sea usually get rough from December and it is not unusual for sailings to be cancelled. If you decide to fly Ryan Air you have to take care with time tables etc You will get what you pay for if things go wrong. I am sure British Midlands besides Aer Lingus flies into Liverpool plus other small local air lines who are here today and gone tomorrow you need to take care. I understand that the Shannon cumplsurary stop is to be slowly withdrawn from the States some time next year. You will be able to fly direct to Dublin. You will have plenty to see around the Albert Docks on the Mersey to keep you fully occupied for a day. The German Airforce flattened the area during WW2 You have the RC Metropolitan Cathedral and the C O E Cathedral at each end of Hope Street both worth a visit, It is a fair walk between the two sites. The business area is an interesting to walk around if you are into buildings which by an large were built from the monies of the slave trade and immigratiom watch out for the features relating to the trade and immigration. The Cavern is in that area where the Beatles started off. It is worth a look in if just to rest your feet and have a pint Make sure you go into the correct location. Ciaran Colgan chggf@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > QUERY: Has anyone taken the ferry across the Irish Sea, or Aer Lingus or > Ryanair flights from Dublin to Liverpool's John Lennon airport and back? > If so, what were your experiences? Did you have problems with seasickness > rough sea?) and length of crossing, flight cancellations, transportation > to/from airports, finding decent accommodations? Hope to visit Liverpool > (where dad was born in 1903) on my summer 2006 trip to Ireland. Since > likely a two-day stay in Liverpool, will probably get around by bus or > taxi. Will likely save seeing rest of England for another trip. Thank > you! Jean > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hi Jean My husband travelled across the Irish Sea every week for 25 years , Some times the crossing was rough but it depends on the time of year but if the sea is to rough they wont sail , P O ferries used to sail 10 pm arrive Dublin 6 am , also leave 10 am arrive Dublin 6pm it used to cost about 140 pounds English money with a car a few years ago , but again it depends when you go and you can get it cheaper out of season Also Sea Link (husband believes its changed hands ) does it in eight hours but he has only been on PO Ferries If you have no car its cheaper to fly and you are there in a hour or less Has to Taxi they are very expensive in the UK (not like the US where they are dead cheap ) but if you catch one ask the price first You should get bed and breakfast in Liverpool from about 25 pounds a night upwards depending are where you stop , If you need help let me know and I will check the internet for some and phone them for prices plus phone the local tourist information office has they list places to stop My husband has not been to Ireland for nearly three years but he says try the soda bread with bacon and eggs its the best in the world Cassy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > QUERY: Has anyone taken the ferry across the Irish Sea, or Aer Lingus or > Ryanair flights from Dublin to Liverpool's John Lennon airport and back? > If so, what were your experiences? Did you have problems with seasickness > rough sea?) and length of crossing, flight cancellations, transportation > to/from airports, finding decent accommodations? Hope to visit Liverpool > (where dad was born in 1903) on my summer 2006 trip to Ireland. Since > likely a two-day stay in Liverpool, will probably get around by bus or > taxi. Will likely save seeing rest of England for another trip. Thank > you! Jean > > > ==== IRISH-IN-UK Mailing List ==== > The Irish-In-UK Mailing List Website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishUK/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

No problem with the he/she thing. However, if I had to wait 88 years before winning the World Series, I wouldn't make fun of a team who only waited 6 years. I'd be humble, which is what us Mets fans learned to be from day 1 :-) -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Could you please post the amount of ingredients in measurements that we Americans can understand? Thanks very much. Joy E. Bold Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:10:02 -0800 From: Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Irish Shepard's Pie Recipe This is one of my favorites...thanks to George at the Irish Heritage Newsletter. Shepherd's Pie 450g of minced beef 1 tablespoon of olive oil 2 medium sized chopped onions 75g chopped carrots 1 teaspoon of thyme 1 tablespoon of chopped parsley 1 tablespoon of plain flour 275ml of beef stock 1 tablespoon of tomato puree Salt and pepper 900g of potatoes 50g of butter Joy Bold -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005

> > >275 milliliters convert to 1.16 cups, or 18.59 tablespoons >450 grams convert to .99 pound >75 grams convert to 2.65 ounces (weight, not volume) >50 grams butter convert to 3.53 tablespoons, or .44 stick > Someone from another list offered this: 275 milliliters convert to 1.16 cups, or 18.59 tablespoons 450 grams convert to .99 pound 75 grams convert to 2.65 ounces (weight, not volume) 50 grams butter convert to 3.53 tablespoons, or .44 stick >He a Mets fan, go figure. Yeah, Sox! > Well, first of all, he is a she. Secondly, the Mets only waited 6 years before winning the World Series in 1969, how many years did the Sox wait? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi Ciaran, Thank you for taking the time to compose such a marvelous reply. My father sailed from Liverpool (Albert Docks?) on the "Montcalm," a Canadian-Pacific Railway owned ship in 1925 with his widowed mother and a sister. I know they were on a "quota" type list for two years before being allowed to emigrate to the USA. It was evidently a cheaper, "package deal," whereby, you got off the CPR steamer in Quebec City, took a CPR train across Canada, entering the USA at a port along the border. I hope to see the famous sailing museum in Liverpool. Tell me, how do you pronounce your given name? I am assuming it is a male name, isn't there a saint by that name? J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CIARAN COLGAN" <CHGGF@btinternet.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > Jean > > I hope you get a chance to see a little of the real Liverpool in the short > time > you are there. It has a healthy Irish population and disporia . <snip>

Hi Cassy, Thank you for your newsy note. Sounds like a flight would work best for us. Thanks for the tip re taxis. Soda bread, eggs, bacon - "definitely" on the menu! Dad never was able to return to Liverpool although he loved being British and chose NOT become a citizen of the USA after taking out his first papers. I hope to see some of the places our Irish/English FORDs lived in (Tue Brook, West Derby), the English GEORGEs resided (Wellington Road, Toxteth Park), and perhaps where our English-Welsh JONESes lived in Kirkdale. My sis is paying for my trip, or I wouldn't be able to go. I am hoping to convince my sis and my cousin to include Liverpool in our itinerary, as it would mean so much to me. Sadly - won't be going to London to give Tony BLAIR (on whom I have a "crush," from watching him on BBC broadcasts) a peck on the cheek. Interestingly, it appears that his lovely wife, Cherie (Booth) BLAIR is related to the brother of John Wilkes BOOTH (actor and LINCOLN's assassin). Small world - you just never know what will turn up in your own family, either! Genealogy is absolutely fascinating! Jean, Washington State xx ----- Original Message ----- From: "cassy" <cassyfranklin@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [UK-Irish] Dublin to Liverpool. Query > Hi Jean > My husband travelled across the Irish Sea every week for 25 years , > Some times the crossing was rough but it depends on the time of year > but if the sea is to rough they wont sail. <snip>