> > >Are you saying there are two lists for the Tithe? > There are the Tithe defaulters. It is a list of those who refused to pay the tax.. Here's how Grenham describes them in his "Tracing Your Irish Ancestor's Book." An organised compaign of resistance to the payment of tithes, the so called, "Tithe War", culminated in 1831 in large scale refusals to pay the tax...clergymen were required to produce lists of those liable for tithes who had not paid, the 'Tithe Defaulters'. The lists can provide a fuller picture ot the tithe payers than the original Tithe Book, and can be useful to cross check against the book, especially if it dates from before 1831. Of these lists 127 survive...they relate pricipally to Counties Kilkenny and Tipperary, with some coverage also of Counties Carlow, Cork, Kerry, Laois, Limerick, Louth, Meath, Offaly, Waterford and Wexford. I did a quick look on the LDS website to see if I can find their film numbers and couldn't find them. Does anyone know them? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

There are two listings, The Tithe Applotments and the Tithe Witholders or Defaulters. The Tithe Witholders (Defaulters) only lists the people who didn't pay the Tithes. The Applotments lists all the people whom the Tithes were levelled on, included in the Applotment lists are townslands, acerage, and Landlord. What I was really trying to say was that if you didn't find your ancestor on the Defaulters list, it might have been because he paid the Tithes. You then would have to look at the Applotment lists to see if he was on that. Sorry for any confusion.I only know about County Tipperary. Mary