Dear Jerry, And I just found out that my Norwegian husband may be related to King Harold of Norway so now I may not be able to tell him that I am related to Brian Boru anymore.... Seriously, I would be interested in the further research. Maybe I am more closely related to my Viking husband? Sandra Hawley -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Kelly [mailto:jerrykelly@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:50 AM To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-American] Re: [Irish-American] RE: [Irish-American] Ó hAILCHE / O'HALLY Dear Sandra: This is an extremely interesting question. Woulfe (Sloinnte Gaedheal 7 Gall) and MacLysaght (Irish Surnames, etc.) do not corroborate O'Hart. More importantly, the name is not included among the genealogies of the Dál gCais in the Leabhar Laighean, Rawlinson B502, or the Book of Ballymote. In contrast, Woulfe reports that Ailche is a personal name of Danish origin and speculates that the family, seated at Templemore in Co. Tipperary, are "probably of Danish origin..." Which means to me that we could be looking at one of the Viking families of Viking Limerick who fought against Brian Ború and the rest of the Dál gCais, lost Limerick to Brian Ború and his Ó Briain / O'Brien successors, were displaced into Tipperary, and went Gaelic in succeeding generations just like the Viking family of Ó Dubhghaill / O'Doyle in Wexford!!! I expect to have another manuscript in about a month, Dubhaltach Mac Fhirbhisigh's Leabhar Genealach / Book of Genealogies. He was the hereditary seanchadh (historian / judge / genealogist) of my tribe, the Uí Fhiachrach. Let's look at this again when Dubhaltach comes in. Great question. Thank you - I had missed this in earlier research. - Jerry Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Hawley" <sjhawley@interisland.net> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: [Irish-American] RE: [Irish-American] Ó BRIAIN / O'BRIEN > Jerry, > In the book "Irish Pedigrees", 5th Edition, Volume I by John O'Hart, I read that the Hally surname (O'h-Ailche) is a baranch of the O'Kennedys of Ormond, Descedants of Cormac Cas (on pages 91-92). Also the the O'Hally family is descended from Donchuan, brother of Brian Boru (on page 313). Does this agree with your information? Sandra Hawley (Hally in Ireland) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Kelly [mailto:jerrykelly@att.net] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:13 PM > To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Irish-American] Ó BRIAIN / O'BRIEN > > Hi Charlene, > > I forgot about O'Brien. Your family descends from Brian Boramha (Brian > Ború), Ard-Rí na hÉireann (High King of Ireland) who spent a lifetime > fighting the Vikings in Ireland and finally broke their power in Ireland > forever at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014, at which battle he was killed. > The tribal genealogy of the family is as follows: > > Ó Briain ('Grandson of Briain'), of the > Muintir Chinnéidigh, of the > Clann Mhathghamhna, of the > Uí Thairdealbhaigh (royal dynasty of the Dál gCais), of the > Uí Bhloid, of the > Dál gCais ('Share of Cas'), of the > Déisi Tuaiscirt ('Northern Déisi'), of the > Déisi Iartharach ('Western Déisi'), of the > Déisi Mhumhan ('Déisi of Munster'), of the > Déisi ('Vassalry'), of the > Érainn > > The Déisi helped the Eoghanacht in the Eoghanacht conquest of Munster, > variously dated to the 3rd to 5th century A.D. In reward for Déisi help, > the Eoghanacht granted 'sword-land' to the Déisi across the Shannon in what > is now Clare. (Very generous of the Eoghanacht, seeing as how they didn't > actually own Clare.) A group of the Déisi went there, becoming the Northern > Déisi or Dál gCais, and warred with Meg's ancestors (the Corcu Baiscinn) and > the other tribes of the area for control. By about the 7th century, the Dál > gCais had taken a good chunk of Clare but the Corcu Baiscinn held on to > where they still are today (west Clare). And once the Vikings showed up a nd > founded the city of Limerick, the Dál gCais had plenty to keep them busy. > > Some scholars count the Érainn as the 2nd major Celtic population group or > Celtic invasion of Ireland, dating their rise or invasion to the 5th to 3rd > centuries B.C. > > The overall ancestor-god of the Érainn or Íarna was Ér or Íar (variant > spellings of the same name). The name Érainn or Íarna itself means > 'Descendants of Ér/Íar'. Their ancestor-goddess was Éire, after whom > Ireland was named. But the special and particular ancestor-god of the Déisi > was Oengus. > > Hope that helps, > Jerry Kelly > NA GAEIL MAGAZINE > (coming soon to an internet near you) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlene Szymusiak" <char.szy@verizon.net> > To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:27 AM > Subject: [Irish-American] Mckroskey, Tapley as Irish surnames? > > > > This is my first post to this list. My Irish roots are O'BRIEN on two > sides, and two surnames that I have been told were Irish: TAPLEY, and now a > new name: McKROSKEY. > > > > My aunt remembers her grandparents were MCKROSKEY (spelled ???). She had a > newspaper clipping with pictures of her 2nd birthday with her grandparents. > Unfortunately Hurricane Andrew destroyed her files. The name sounds a bit > off. 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