I also have a question about names. One of my ancestors is shown on all census forms as Timothy, his wife on land records as widow of Timothy, but on one child's death record , father's name is shown as Patrick. Any thoughts on which would have been the "first" name? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hess" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS >I have another question about Irish naming patterns that is a bit >different. I have read about the typical naming patterns for boys vs >girls, and have read comments that there may be some variations to the >pattern in different areas of Ireland. But my question is about the use of >middle names. I see Irish families on Census records where there is a 1st >and last name for the parents who were born in Ireland and moved to the US, >but then start to see 1st and middle names for some of their children born >in the US, though usually no middle names for the first child or two. Did >people born in Ireland have middle names or was that something that started >in the US? Just wondering if anyone knows about that. > > > [email protected] wrote: On the subject of names: A certain SIMON > REYNOLDS has proven fairly elusive > and I have wondered for the last four years whether or not he might > actually > have been named something else and just called Simon. > > Pat, would your book have anything to say about the name, or "nicknames" > for, Simon? > > He would have been born about 1820, probably in the east of County > Galway, > and was Catholic. > > Thank you, > Sheila > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and > hotel bargains. > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cathy, What are the dates, locations of the entries you found? Ireland? Consider that you may have data for a couple different families given the repetition of surnames and given names. Perhaps a child was born to Timothy's widow who had subsequently remarried? (It wasn't unusual for a widow to have remarried her late husband's brother, etc.) Your local LDS (Mormon) Family History Center has access to many original church (and other) records on microfilm and microfiche that anyone can take a look at. If a particular record isn't found on site, they will send for it for you from their centralized record repository. They may also have additional data on particular IGI entries in their computerized records -- i.e., a particular town, rather than a registration district, etc. Since I don't have a paid subscription to Ancestry.com, I have chosen to go in to my local FHC (as a non-Mormon) to work on genealogy. When I found entries of interest on an IGI index of births and christenings in Co. Leitrim (and I had heard that the family had roots in Drumshanbo area), I visited my local LDS (Mormon) Family History Center library. Volunteers were able to obtain for me from Salt Lake City in a few days (and for a rental fee of less than four dollars) a microfilm with ORIGINAL church records for several Leitrim churches including the one I was most interested in. They helped determine what I needed, did the paperwork, called me when the microfilm came in - helped me get the microfilm in and out of the reader - assisted me in any way that they could. I had goosebumps as I gazed on the handwritten pages of the original (somewhat tattered) little black church record book for St. Pat's chapel in Drumshanbo. Names of children along with parents' names were written in Latin in chronological order that included the names of two witnesses to the circa mid-1860s events -- apparently related family members as most had the same surnames as the bride and groom. There were odd notations in the margins including references to particular towns. One page was an alphabetical index for children born to particular couples. While scrolling through the various church records on the entire microfilm I saw that some were more legible that others depending on the handwriting of the person recording the original entries. With the help of a LDS volunteer, I was able to photocopy pages directly from the microfilm for a small charge, take them with me to examine more closely at home at my leisure. The LDS FHCs have readers with magnifying features and also magnifying glasses you can use on request. They have a library of reference books including a key to Latin names. I have spent many pleasant hours there in the past. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Connelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS >I also have a question about names. One of my ancestors is shown on all > census forms as Timothy, his wife on land records as widow of Timothy, but > on one child's death record , father's name is shown as Patrick. Any > thoughts on which would have been the "first" name? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Hess" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS > > <snip>

What a wonderful endorsement. This is heart rendering. Thank you so much for this. I am gainfully encouraged. Beth On 3/8/07, Jean R. <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Cathy, What are the dates, locations of the entries you found? Ireland? > Consider that you may have data for a couple different families given the > repetition of surnames and given names. Perhaps a child was born to > Timothy's widow who had subsequently remarried? (It wasn't unusual for a > widow to have remarried her late husband's brother, etc.) > > Your local LDS (Mormon) Family History Center has access to many original > church (and other) records on microfilm and microfiche that anyone can take > a look at. If a particular record isn't found on site, they will send for > it for you from their centralized record repository. They may also have > additional data on particular IGI entries in their computerized records -- > i.e., a particular town, rather than a registration district, etc. Since I > don't have a paid subscription to Ancestry.com, I have chosen to go in to my > local FHC (as a non-Mormon) to work on genealogy. > > When I found entries of interest on an IGI index of births and christenings > in Co. Leitrim (and I had heard that the family had roots in Drumshanbo > area), I visited my local LDS (Mormon) Family History Center library. > Volunteers were able to obtain for me from Salt Lake City in a few days (and > for a rental fee of less than four dollars) a microfilm with ORIGINAL church > records for several Leitrim churches including the one I was most interested > in. They helped determine what I needed, did the paperwork, called me when > the microfilm came in - helped me get the microfilm in and out of the > reader - assisted me in any way that they could. I had goosebumps as I > gazed on the handwritten pages of the original (somewhat tattered) little > black church record book for St. Pat's chapel in Drumshanbo. Names of > children along with parents' names were written in Latin in chronological > order that included the names of two witnesses to the circa mid-1860s > events -- apparently related family members as most had the same surnames as > the bride and groom. There were odd notations in the margins including > references to particular towns. One page was an alphabetical index for > children born to particular couples. While scrolling through the various > church records on the entire microfilm I saw that some were more legible > that others depending on the handwriting of the person recording the > original entries. With the help of a LDS volunteer, I was able to photocopy > pages directly from the microfilm for a small charge, take them with me to > examine more closely at home at my leisure. The LDS FHCs have readers with > magnifying features and also magnifying glasses you can use on request. > They have a library of reference books including a key to Latin names. I > have spent many pleasant hours there in the past. Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathy Connelly" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS > > > >I also have a question about names. One of my ancestors is shown on all > > census forms as Timothy, his wife on land records as widow of Timothy, but > > on one child's death record , father's name is shown as Patrick. Any > > thoughts on which would have been the "first" name? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Hess" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS > > > > <snip> > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Elizabeth W. Tordella, MS, RN