Mary Pat, I tried the one on what I believe was on the Irish Heritage site: 4 cups whole wheat flour 1 cup bread flour 1/3 cup rolled oats 1 tsp baking soda 1 tsp sale 2 1/2 cups buttermilk all dry ingredients in bowl, add buttermilk and mix gently, when it forms a ball lift out and knead on floured board - do not over knead it. This was the recipe I did over the weekend. Then on Wednesday I made another but I tried a slight variation, I was watching Emeril the other night and he said to run the rolled oats through a blender or food processor to break them down a bit, make them finer, but not as fine as flour. Then soak them in the buttermilk for 12 hours. It came just as tasty albeit a little drier as I had not as much buttermilk left as I thought I had. Still tastes good with a cup of tea! ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Hi Meg, So how about sharing your brown bread recipe.. One more is always good.. Thanks, MaryPat

I'm a little late in adding to the discussion on these. But I tried a brown bread recipe and it came out great. I've made soda bread before but never the brown bread. My father-in-law was thrilled. He gets his from a bakery out of Dorchester MA - the Greenhills Bakery and he said mine was just as good! And as for the music I recommend the Sawdoctors. They're not your typical Irish music but they sure are a lot of fun, especially live. I love the Tenors also. Another good one is Gaelic Roots put out by the Boston College Irish Studies Program. Meg ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I am replying to list also Gail. Sorry I don't have any information for you. My Mulveys are my husband's family. They came to the U.S. in 1920's and settled in Mission Hill area of Boston. I've asked my father-in-law for whatever information he has, but genealogy isn't his thing. His sister has offered to give me what names and dates she has. So if anything looks like it could be helpful to you, I'll get back to you. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Jerry, I have been researching my DINEENs. What I have is that my great grandfather Timothy DINEEN married Honora KEILY on 8 February 1863 in Rathmore, County Kerry. They had at least six children, four of whom emigrated from Ireland to the US in the time frame 1884 - 1889. They settled in the Brewster - Carmel area of Putnam County, New York, where they were dairy farmers. Do you have any connections? Regards, Jim B. (James Dineen Burden)

I also have Barretts from County Clare. Joseph BARRETT and Susan Vaughn immigrated to Holley N.Y. in 1895 from Ennistymon, County Clare with their children ,John,James, Margaret m(Charles O'Donnell), Hanna m(Wm. Bender), Delia m(Frank Murphy d.1899 then m. John Mackey) Lena ( returned to Ireland. Joseph's father was Michael and mother was Mary Horan or Foran. Carol (MacLeod) Mackey

Thank you, Norma. Yes, I can give you some leads but it may be 1-2 weeks before I can get to it. Jerry Kelly NA GAEIL MAGAZINE (coming soon & free to an internet near you) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma M Johnson" <kgnmj@juno.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: [Irish-American] Barretts, McIntyres & McCoys > Hi Jerry, > I have Barretts, McInty(i)re's and McCoys in my family, who all claimed > to have come from Ireland. Can you give me any ideas where they might > have originated? > > Thanks for all your intresting information you're sending - it's great > background > material for Ireland. > > Norma > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

I am looking for the BRANNON/BRANON family. As early as I have is 1850 in Carter County, TN with Leroy and Emma BRANNON. Then in 1860 Emma was in east KY. She and her children moved between Knox and Laurel Counties, KY. A researcher had said that Leroy died in 1853, but did not provide proof and I have found no proof of it. Emma's last child was Mahala and she was born right around 1860. Leroy and Emma's children were: Lee Roy, William, Josephus (died as a child), Julia, Mahala. William died when he was about 16 years old in Andersonville, GA. He was in a prison camp. He had been a Union soldier and was captured. Lee Roy BRANON married Rachel ELLIOTT in Laurel, KY. Children: David, Creed Russell, Jesse Elliott, Levi, James, Minnie, Julia, Emma, Roy Lee and I believe there was another son. I am descended from Jesse Elliott BRANON. He moved to Marion Co., IL and married Minnie Lula GEORGE there in 1905. Meg

Hi Jerry, I have Barretts, McInty(i)re's and McCoys in my family, who all claimed to have come from Ireland. Can you give me any ideas where they might have originated? Thanks for all your intresting information you're sending - it's great background material for Ireland. Norma

Dear Pat, It may be a week or two before I can get to it, but I will try. Any idea where they're from? Also, was there a marital relationship between the Dineens (very well-known and important Gaelic literary family) and the Cushings? If so, when and where? Also, in your own family tradition (not outside sources), do you have the spellings CUSHION, CUSSEN, and QUISHING? These look like English phonetic attempts for Irish Gaelic sounds, and can help get us back to the reality of the original Irish Gaelic name. - Jerry Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Seger" <seger001@gold.tc.umn.edu> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:45 PM Subject: [Irish-American] origin of CUSHING > Jerry, > > Do you have anything on the history of CUSHING (variations I have seen > include CUSHION, CUSSEN, and even QUISHING) > > thanks in advance > > Pat Seger > Researching: CUSHING, DINEEN, SEGER, REASONER, MARX and DEBUS > > ---- > Pat Seger > seger001@gold.tc.umn.edu > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

SNIPPET: "Lovely Leitrim" -- "Last night I had a pleasant dream/I woke up with a smile/I dreamt that I was back again, in Dear Old Erin's Isle/I thought I saw Lough Allen's banks and the valleys down below/Sure it was my Lovely Leitrim/Where the Shannon waters flow." John J. SWEENEY, Pres. AFL-CIO, author "American Needs a Raise" (1996), is a first generation Irish-American. His family emigrated in 1929 from Co. Leitrim, Ireland. His family names are SWEENEY and McMORROW. Born 5 May 1934, John spent his youth in the Tremont section of The Bronx. He said that there were three things that mattered in the Sweeney household: family, church and organized labor. "We knew that without family there would be no love, without the Church there would be no hope for redemption, and without the Union there would be no food on the table." Sweeney's father was a NYC bus driver and a proud member of the Transport Workers.

Jerry, Do you have anything on the history of CUSHING (variations I have seen include CUSHION, CUSSEN, and even QUISHING) thanks in advance Pat Seger Researching: CUSHING, DINEEN, SEGER, REASONER, MARX and DEBUS ---- Pat Seger seger001@gold.tc.umn.edu

Hi Meg, Thank you. Will do my best but may be several days before I can get to this. - Jerry Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael c haell mulvey" <mmjjlemul@juno.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: [Irish-American] Murray/Mulvey - Roscommon > I was wondering Jerry if I could "pick your brain" again. You have been > so generous giving out information on various surnames. And this is > information that otherwise most of us would have a hard time finding > without a fee being involved or a trip to a specialized library. But you > are obviously enjoying sharing your "wealth"! > > I would like to ask you what you know of the Murrays & Mulveys of > Roscommon. And the Cahills of Clare. I am in no rush for an answer, so > you can reply at your convenience. > > Is your study connected to Irish names only or do you have knowledge of > Scots/English as well? I have Scots and English as well (my Dad's side) > and a relative told me that my great great grandfather, when he emigrated > was the only Scot on a street with all Irish in Cambridge MA and that > he'd sit out on his stoop at night and play Boyne Waters on his flute > much to his nieghbors dismay! > > Happy St. Patrick's Day > > Meg > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

Thank you, Joe. These are all anglicizations of Ó Gadhra (O'Gara) in Munster. Your branch of the Ó Gadhra family of the Luighne of Mayo/Sligo settled in Munster before the end of the 16th century. Your tribal genealogy is Ó Gadhra of the Luighne of the Érainn. The Luighne are one of the 'archaic peoples' of Ireland. Their name literally means 'the collective descendants of Lugh'. Obviously, the popular Celtic god Lugh was your tribe's ancestor-god. The Luighne held the baronies of Corran and Leyney (i.e., Luighne) in Sligo, Gallen in Mayo, and Sliabh Lugha (the 'Mountain of Lugh'), which is the northern half of the barony of Costello in Mayo. The Luighne separated into two families, the Ó Gadhra (O'Gara) and the Ó hEadhra (O'Hara), in the 10th century. The Ó Gadhra got the southern half in Mayo and the Ó hEadhra got the northern half in Sligo. Hope that's helpful, Jerry Kelly NA GAEIL MAGAZINE (coming soon and free to an internet near you) ----- Original Message ----- From: "j.p. geary" <joe111_@hotmail.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:29 PM Subject: [Irish-American] Geary of Limerick > Jerry, > In the 20th century our name was Geary, in the 19th, it was Guiry. What was > the name spelling in the 18th - 17th? The family was from the > Kilmeedy/Feenagh area. > Thank you, > Happy St. Pattrick's Day > Joe > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and > safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

Dear Jerry, And I just found out that my Norwegian husband may be related to King Harold of Norway so now I may not be able to tell him that I am related to Brian Boru anymore.... Seriously, I would be interested in the further research. Maybe I am more closely related to my Viking husband? Sandra Hawley -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Kelly [mailto:jerrykelly@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:50 AM To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-American] Re: [Irish-American] RE: [Irish-American] Ó hAILCHE / O'HALLY Dear Sandra: This is an extremely interesting question. Woulfe (Sloinnte Gaedheal 7 Gall) and MacLysaght (Irish Surnames, etc.) do not corroborate O'Hart. More importantly, the name is not included among the genealogies of the Dál gCais in the Leabhar Laighean, Rawlinson B502, or the Book of Ballymote. In contrast, Woulfe reports that Ailche is a personal name of Danish origin and speculates that the family, seated at Templemore in Co. Tipperary, are "probably of Danish origin..." Which means to me that we could be looking at one of the Viking families of Viking Limerick who fought against Brian Ború and the rest of the Dál gCais, lost Limerick to Brian Ború and his Ó Briain / O'Brien successors, were displaced into Tipperary, and went Gaelic in succeeding generations just like the Viking family of Ó Dubhghaill / O'Doyle in Wexford!!! I expect to have another manuscript in about a month, Dubhaltach Mac Fhirbhisigh's Leabhar Genealach / Book of Genealogies. He was the hereditary seanchadh (historian / judge / genealogist) of my tribe, the Uí Fhiachrach. Let's look at this again when Dubhaltach comes in. Great question. Thank you - I had missed this in earlier research. - Jerry Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Hawley" <sjhawley@interisland.net> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: [Irish-American] RE: [Irish-American] Ó BRIAIN / O'BRIEN > Jerry, > In the book "Irish Pedigrees", 5th Edition, Volume I by John O'Hart, I read that the Hally surname (O'h-Ailche) is a baranch of the O'Kennedys of Ormond, Descedants of Cormac Cas (on pages 91-92). Also the the O'Hally family is descended from Donchuan, brother of Brian Boru (on page 313). Does this agree with your information? Sandra Hawley (Hally in Ireland) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Kelly [mailto:jerrykelly@att.net] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:13 PM > To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Irish-American] Ó BRIAIN / O'BRIEN > > Hi Charlene, > > I forgot about O'Brien. Your family descends from Brian Boramha (Brian > Ború), Ard-Rí na hÉireann (High King of Ireland) who spent a lifetime > fighting the Vikings in Ireland and finally broke their power in Ireland > forever at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014, at which battle he was killed. > The tribal genealogy of the family is as follows: > > Ó Briain ('Grandson of Briain'), of the > Muintir Chinnéidigh, of the > Clann Mhathghamhna, of the > Uí Thairdealbhaigh (royal dynasty of the Dál gCais), of the > Uí Bhloid, of the > Dál gCais ('Share of Cas'), of the > Déisi Tuaiscirt ('Northern Déisi'), of the > Déisi Iartharach ('Western Déisi'), of the > Déisi Mhumhan ('Déisi of Munster'), of the > Déisi ('Vassalry'), of the > Érainn > > The Déisi helped the Eoghanacht in the Eoghanacht conquest of Munster, > variously dated to the 3rd to 5th century A.D. In reward for Déisi help, > the Eoghanacht granted 'sword-land' to the Déisi across the Shannon in what > is now Clare. (Very generous of the Eoghanacht, seeing as how they didn't > actually own Clare.) A group of the Déisi went there, becoming the Northern > Déisi or Dál gCais, and warred with Meg's ancestors (the Corcu Baiscinn) and > the other tribes of the area for control. By about the 7th century, the Dál > gCais had taken a good chunk of Clare but the Corcu Baiscinn held on to > where they still are today (west Clare). And once the Vikings showed up a nd > founded the city of Limerick, the Dál gCais had plenty to keep them busy. > > Some scholars count the Érainn as the 2nd major Celtic population group or > Celtic invasion of Ireland, dating their rise or invasion to the 5th to 3rd > centuries B.C. > > The overall ancestor-god of the Érainn or Íarna was Ér or Íar (variant > spellings of the same name). The name Érainn or Íarna itself means > 'Descendants of Ér/Íar'. Their ancestor-goddess was Éire, after whom > Ireland was named. But the special and particular ancestor-god of the Déisi > was Oengus. > > Hope that helps, > Jerry Kelly > NA GAEIL MAGAZINE > (coming soon to an internet near you) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlene Szymusiak" <char.szy@verizon.net> > To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:27 AM > Subject: [Irish-American] Mckroskey, Tapley as Irish surnames? > > > > This is my first post to this list. My Irish roots are O'BRIEN on two > sides, and two surnames that I have been told were Irish: TAPLEY, and now a > new name: McKROSKEY. > > > > My aunt remembers her grandparents were MCKROSKEY (spelled ???). She had a > newspaper clipping with pictures of her 2nd birthday with her grandparents. > Unfortunately Hurricane Andrew destroyed her files. The name sounds a bit > off. Can anyone suggest similar names for me to investigate? > > > > Charlene > > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc.

Jerry, In the 20th century our name was Geary, in the 19th, it was Guiry. What was the name spelling in the 18th - 17th? The family was from the Kilmeedy/Feenagh area. Thank you, Happy St. Pattrick's Day Joe _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp

Thanks Jerry!! It gives some counties to start in. I hope you have had a wonderful St. Patrick's Day. Diane If you can't get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. George Bernard Shaw

Meg I have just discovered Mulvey's in my branches. I have Peter Paul MULVEY married to Mary Teresa COONEY both of the Irish Free State. Their daughter Mary Catherine MULVEY was born March 1871 in NYC. Ring any bells? Gail -----Original Message----- From: michael c haell mulvey [mailto:mmjjlemul@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:16 PM To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-American] Murray/Mulvey - Roscommon I was wondering Jerry if I could "pick your brain" again. You have been so generous giving out information on various surnames. And this is information that otherwise most of us would have a hard time finding without a fee being involved or a trip to a specialized library. But you are obviously enjoying sharing your "wealth"! I would like to ask you what you know of the Murrays & Mulveys of Roscommon. And the Cahills of Clare. I am in no rush for an answer, so you can reply at your convenience. Is your study connected to Irish names only or do you have knowledge of Scots/English as well? I have Scots and English as well (my Dad's side) and a relative told me that my great great grandfather, when he emigrated was the only Scot on a street with all Irish in Cambridge MA and that he'd sit out on his stoop at night and play Boyne Waters on his flute much to his nieghbors dismay! Happy St. Patrick's Day Meg ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc.

I was wondering Jerry if I could "pick your brain" again. You have been so generous giving out information on various surnames. And this is information that otherwise most of us would have a hard time finding without a fee being involved or a trip to a specialized library. But you are obviously enjoying sharing your "wealth"! I would like to ask you what you know of the Murrays & Mulveys of Roscommon. And the Cahills of Clare. I am in no rush for an answer, so you can reply at your convenience. Is your study connected to Irish names only or do you have knowledge of Scots/English as well? I have Scots and English as well (my Dad's side) and a relative told me that my great great grandfather, when he emigrated was the only Scot on a street with all Irish in Cambridge MA and that he'd sit out on his stoop at night and play Boyne Waters on his flute much to his nieghbors dismay! Happy St. Patrick's Day Meg ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

In a message dated 3/17/04 3:40:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, labaths@worldnet.att.net writes: Some held for years that he was born on the night of the 8th of March, while others contend he first saw the light of day on the 9th of March, and history tells us that the two factions agreed to a compromise which resulted ******************************************************** LOLOLO This sounds like many of the births in Ireland.. Found a few in my own family.. MaryPat