Has anyone bought this CD? http://www.eneclann.ie/pub-7-tour.asp It looks interesting and I am thinking of buying for my library and as a resource...would love to hear from others who have bought it, on list, and your impression of it. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Please friends, can anyone tell me how to obtain an Obituary in the NY TImes on a George Benedict Sloan July 15th. 1958. Or would their be a well know Brooklyn Newspaper that I'm not aware of. Kathleen

Hi Nora, It sounds like your ancestors and the rest of the people in those two townlands were in open rebellion against the Tithe in 1834, as was much of Ireland at the time. Using guerrilla tactics, the Whiteboys, Ribbonmen, and Molly Maguires held the countryside by night while the British Army held the countryside under martial law by day. The Tithe went to the Established Church (the anglician Church of Ireland) and had to be collected by force by constables and the British Army. Little wonder that the Tithe was hated by Catholics and Dissenters alike, nearly the entire population. Your ancestors' refusal to pay the Tithe ended the record-keeping you sought. Aided by their resistance and that of their neighbors, the Catholic Emancipation movement and its allies were able to finally abolish the Tithe four years later (1838). Hope that's helpful, Jerry Kelly NA GAEIL MAGAZINE (coming soon and free to an internet near you) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Irishcolleen45@aol.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: [Irish-American] Re: Death Certificate search > Pat, > Good luck with the Tithe records. I had the joy of finding no occupiers listed on the land for the two townlands in Turlough Parish in Co. Mayo that I wanted. I was told at the National Archives in Dublin that not all Tithe records listed the occupiers (thank you very much to the one doing the Tithe records there in 1834!).

thanks to George of the Irish Heritage newsletter...oh, do I remember rhubarb, we grew it in our yard and my mother cooked it and we ate in bowls with lots of sugar, but not in pies or as good as this recipe, plus I thought Amaretti cookies were Italian??? Irish Strawberry Rhubarb Crumble By Margaret Johnson Ingredients: Filling • 1 1/2 cups rhubarb, washed and sliced 1 cup strawberries, washed, hulled, and sliced 2 tablespoons cornstarch 1 cup sugar Crumble • 1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour 1/2 cup brown sugar 4 amaretti or digestive biscuits 1/2 cup (1 stick) butter, cut into pieces Whipped cream or custard sauce for topping Directions:Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F. Butter an 8x8-inch square baking pan.For the filling: In a large bowl, combine the rhubarb, strawberries, and cornstarch. Stir well to distribute fruit evenly. Put fruit into prepared baking pan and sprinkle with sugar. For the crumble: In the work bowl of a food processor, combine the flour, brown sugar, and biscuits. Process until well-combined. Add the butter and pulse until the mixture resembles coarse crumbs. Do not over-process. Sprinkle the crumble mixture over the fruit and bake 40 minutes, or until the top is browned and crisp and the fruit is tender. Serve warm with whipped cream or custard sauce. Serves 4. http://www.irishabroad.com/Culture/Kitchen/Recipe.asp?RcpID=144 -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> > >I use Internet Explorer, but am unable to print the Griffiths Valuation pages from Otherdays either, and wuld love to learn the secret of printing the page. I spen a lot of time hand writing all the info. > Well, I also tried IE and got the same blank page with headers and footers as I got with Netscape. Judy, what is your secret? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Pat, I just printed the info the way I always do file print. I do not use their print way. Judy Christopher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] OTHERDAYS > > > > > >I was just on a few days ago checking the Galway section of Griffiths and did make copies of the info I found. > > > How did you make copies, Judy? Use to be you could print them but now > can't do that. Plus, I would like to search by townland without a > surname so I can see who lived in the townland, and they won't let you > do that, either. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > >

I am a member of "Otherdays" and have had no trouble obtaining info from them. I was just on a few days ago checking the Galway section of Griffiths and did make copies of the info I found. Judy Christopher (searching Mitchell/Joint-Galway) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] OTHERDAYS > > > > > >Does anyone else have OTHERDAYS and have a problem editing information they have added to family records ??? > > > I use Otherdays.com and find it extremely difficult to navigate and I > have some experience with websites. Plus, now they don't allow printing > of the Griffiths Valuation which they did last year. I don't know what > you mean by 'they have added to family records' so I think I'll go check > that section out. Does anyone us Origins? If so, do they allow you to > print the GV? > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > >

I like the Otherdays site and use it often. I know the account manager for Otherdays in the U.S. and have e-mailed her about your issues. Mona Sarratt Knight

Pat, Good luck with the Tithe records. I had the joy of finding no occupiers listed on the land for the two townlands in Turlough Parish in Co. Mayo that I wanted. I was told at the National Archives in Dublin that not all Tithe records listed the occupiers (thank you very much to the one doing the Tithe records there in 1834!). I thought I was going throw a tantrum then but of course it's not the archives' fault. Nora >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >I'm curious about your comment that your ancestor probably came from Tipperary town because no townland was noted > Yes, Nora, most annoying! Since every single baptism and marriage I obtained for this family had not one townland noted, I am now transcribing the whole Griffiths Valuation (from Otherdays.com) for the civil parishes of the Tipperary Catholic parish and then will look at where the Flanagan and O'Connor names occur...since I didn't get a good baptism for my Timothy, I think he was from out of the Cashel & Emly diocese and moved there because that is where his wife, Catherine Flanagan lived (I have her baptism). I have also started transcribing the Tithes for the Tipperary Catholic parish which were conducted about 20-30 years previously. Hopefully, both of these exercises will give me some clues as to where my great grandfather was born in County Tipperary. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA

Very instructive, Pat. Thank you. - Jerry Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: [Irish-American] My research story > I am relating a rather long story, so that others can learn about the > ups and downs of genealogy research. It is in essence a story on how I > found where my O'Connors came from in Ireland ... > > I started searching my O'Connor family in 1992 when I first got on the > internet. All I had in my babybook was that my great grandfather was > James O'Connor and was born in Tipperary, Ireland. Now, I knew my > grandfather, James was born in Troy NY, so I had to assume he father > emigrated. My first trip back to Troy, since I was a child, was in > 1995. I visited the Troy Public Library, the Rensselaer County > Courthouse and St. Joseph's Church. In the library, I searched the > federal censuses on film and found my grandfather's family in 1880 and > 1900 and found he had two brothers I had never heard about, and a sister > I had known. I found all their baptisms at St Joseph's. In the > courthouse I searched naturalization records in very old books with > pages ripped out....it should be noted what when I do research, I write > down all occurrences of the O'Connor/Connors name. Also, at St > Joseph's, I got all the O'Connor/Connor cemetery records (their is also > a St Joseph's Cemetery where the parishioners are buried). > > When I got home from my trip, back to CA, I started to digest all I had > found and put it together in some logical order. From the information, > I reconstructed my grandfather's family which included these children by > birth order: Timothy, Timothy, Michael, James Timothy, Winifred, John. > The only one I had ever met or heard about was Aunt Winnie. However, my > grandfather did mention he had a nephew who was a priest who still used > the O'Connor name. My grandfather was baptized an O'Connor but died a > Connors, his father changed the name when he was young. I found from > the cemetery records that the first Timothy died as a baby and the 2nd > Timothy died at about 7 yrs of age both before my grandfather was born. > > From the censuses, I found that ggrandfather, James, had emigrated ca > 1863. In the 1870 census, he lived next door to Timothy and Catherine > O'Connor and their daughter. With Jame's family there was an older > couple, William and Bridget O'Connor. Now, having learned about the > Irish naming pattern, I had strong suspicions that Timothy was James' > father's name since he named his first two children after him. But to > prove it, I would need a death certificate. > > This is getting long, so I am going to do it in installments... > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

Hi JD, sorry I've been out of touch. Michael and Pat had excellent suggestions. Also, the Dáltaí na Gaeilge (Students of the Irish Language) site lists Irish language teachers and classes in the U.S. by clicking on your state on their map at http://www.daltai.com/classes.htm . Unfortunately, I don't see anything listed for Atlanta (which really surprises me). So, as Pat points out, multi-media learning is the next best way to go. The set called IrishNow! about 3/4 of the way down on Pat's webpage ( http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ) looks good. Also, the company Fios Feasa ('Knowledge of knowledge') has good multi-media learning material at http://www.fiosfeasa.com/script/bearla/products/first_steps.asp and at http://www.fiosfeasa.com/bearla/products.html . Meanwhile, here's a new and extremely interesting development. Tomás de hÍde at Lehman College (City University of New York) has organized unline for-credit classes which will begin June 7. As the Dáltaí information says, "Course makes use of Blackboard on-line software with sound files, two audio cassettes, two videotapes, and weekly conference phone calls. For additional information, contact the instructor at 250 Bedford Park Blvd West Bronx, NY 10468-1589 Phone: (718) 938-1345 Email: tihde@lehman.cuny.edu " Lastly, when I get my computer back up completely (hopefully in about 2 weeks le cúnamh Dé), I'll finish my free on-line multimedia pronunciation guide. And then we'll be able to test your cousins in Dublin! Le gach dea-ghuí / All the best, Jerry Kelly NA GAEIL MAGAZINE (coming soon and free to an internet near you) ----- Original Message ----- From: "JD" <jedollard@comcast.net> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] > Jerry, > > Is there any way to learn Irish. I mean is there a way that is better than > the others. I have bought books and practiced my pronunciation to only find > out I was off by a mile. I have a cousin in Dublin and he gets the whole > family around the phone when I call and he ask me to speak the Irish I have > learned and then I can hear them all rolling in the floor as I say the words > I have learned. Then I am politely corrected and there is just no way to > even learn the language phonetically. I have tried the internet and so I > have run out of options, short of moving back to Kilkenny and starting over. > I live in the least Irish of all the states...Atlanta, Georgia all though I > am surprised by the history of the area when in the late 1700's the Irish > moved in here in droves. We have so many people that have Mc's before their > names that don't have a clue that its Irish. Oh well, what's one to do. jd > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

The following files have been recently uploaded to the Irish in Iowa website... http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/index.htm A.O.H. (Ancient Order of Hibernians) Directory of Officers- Iowa, 1884, 1902, 1909 http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/aohdirectory.htm Additions to A.O.H. News Items http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/aohnews.htm Biographies for Connors, Dwyer, Ryan, Walsh, Sheridan, Delmege, McCormack, Ryan, Mooney, Robinson, McCaffery, O'Keeffe, McCann, Fife, Perry http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/bioindex.htm Obituaries for McDonnell, Tobin, Hand, Greeley, O'Connell-Coonan, Hogan http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/obitindex.htm St. Patrick's Day Celebrations and Miscellaneous Irish Trivia http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/stpatricksarticles.htm News Items From Dougherty World, Cerro Gordo Co, IA http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/doughertynewsitems.htm Updates to Researchers of Irish Folks who ended up in Iowa: http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/irishsurnamesatog.htm http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/irishsurnamesitom.htm http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/irishsurnames.htm And for further research: If you are researching in Galway, Ireland, specifically Beagh Parish, I have recently added BEAGH PARISH, GALWAY Baptisms 1862 http://www.celticcousins.net/ireland/beaghbaptisms1862.htm I also lots of Beagh Parish Items like 1901 Census, Partial 1911, Marriages, Christmas Donations, etc. I am trying to piece together all of the families of this parish. http://www.celticcousins.net/ireland/index.htm And also if you like Ireland Newspapers see one of my other websites: http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ for a blast of the past in Ireland. Cathy Joynt Labath Irish in Iowa http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/index.htm Iowa Old Press http://www.IowaOldPress.com/ Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ Iowa History Project http://iagenweb.org/history/

> > > I just printed the info the way I always do file print. I do not use their print way. > I get a blank page with headers and footers, but I use Netscape. I'll try it with IE. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> > >I was just on a few days ago checking the Galway section of Griffiths and did make copies of the info I found. > How did you make copies, Judy? Use to be you could print them but now can't do that. Plus, I would like to search by townland without a surname so I can see who lived in the townland, and they won't let you do that, either. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Pat, I also found Otherdays difficult to find things. I have unsubscribed to it. Too much work to find somethng. Beth

Hello, Does anyone else have OTHERDAYS and have a problem editing information they have added to family records ??? It took them a long time to allow editing but it just doesn't seem to be working with their instructions... Thanks, Marietta Researching: Gibbons, Flanagan, Hughes, Murphy, O Hora/ O Hara, Gavin, Howley, Loftus

I have just updated the Ireland Genealogy Projects County Limerick website. I have either added or updated the following town(land) webpages: Herbertstown, Hospital, Gortavalla North, Doon, Athea, Rathkeale, Kilkeely, Kilfinnane, Limerick City, Knocklong, Glin, Knocknadiha, Askeaton, Cullane Middle, Cullane North, Toornafulla, Ballylooby. Added surnames, pictures, links. If you have pictures/townlands you want added, email me off list. If you send pictures, please limit to three per email plus a short description of the pictures. I update the site on a monthly basis. Always looking to add data and/or links. If you have a County Limerick website, will be happy to link you from this site. You can access the IGP County Limerick website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllim/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> > >Does anyone else have OTHERDAYS and have a problem editing information they have added to family records ??? > I use Otherdays.com and find it extremely difficult to navigate and I have some experience with websites. Plus, now they don't allow printing of the Griffiths Valuation which they did last year. I don't know what you mean by 'they have added to family records' so I think I'll go check that section out. Does anyone us Origins? If so, do they allow you to print the GV? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Hi Pat, I'm curious about your comment that your ancestor probably came from Tipperary town because no townland was noted (I'm assuming you mean the church records). I have done research in Ireland in various church records and have found some priests put in the townland and others did not (in the same church records). Very annoying to say the least! Didn't they know we'd be looking for the records in 150 years? . Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Searching for Fahey/Hogan/Keane/Hopkins in Chicago: Hopkins from Turlough Parish, Co. Mayo/NYC Searching in County Down for Grant/McManus/Morgan/Woods >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The object of these two posts, is to show some of the exercises I had to go through to get the info I needed to get back to the county in Ireland. I have since paid for research and found James' sister, Catherine's baptism record with the exact date of birth as is listed on her death certificate. James' wasn't found (what else is new?) but I did find they came from Tipperary Parish, no townland mentioned so probably Tipperary Town, and found some of their siblings. I also paid for research and have come up Catherine's parents but Timothy is still up in the air and requires a whole new set of posts to explain him. However, I am happy to know where they emigrated from and will finally put this family aside and work on some of my other families... -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA

I am not a subscriber to Otherdays, but I do have limited access through Godfrey. I was able to print Mapping Ireland: The First Ordnance Survey, History as it Happened...The tide of Emigration, and Dublin Timeline 140-1903 AD without difficulty. They are all 'first pages' so perhaps everyone can print those pages. ??? -Pat- ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Connors To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] Re: Printing the unprintable > > >Tucked away to the right of the F12 key on most keyboards is a key labelled >Print Screen (often has the even more archaic title Sys Rq on the key as well). > Many of us are aware of this option, but prefer to do the printing they once offered....it use to be that you could print just the Griffiths Valuation page without all the the graphics, etc. They had a special print button on the website...I think they removedthe print function to limit our access to the pages. Most subscription programs allow 'save image as' but not this particular program (Otherdays.com). They limited that option right from the beginning. Well, they lost my subscription money with their cheap ways. Does anyone here belong to Origins.com? If so, can you print or save images with that program? It would really be nice to be able to print or save clear images of my ancestors records.... -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 3/4/2004