I've probably seen this somewhere, but I need a refresher: Can anyone tell me where to find New York State and Minnesota state censuses? Are any available on the internet? Mary

I don't have any Hogans in KS that I know of. Dan Hogan On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, at 06:11 AM, Sherry Sauder wrote: > Dan, I'm rather new to all of this and your list is very interesting, > but > your name even more. My Hogan relatives were from Kansas. Any > relation? > > Sherry Sauder > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Hogan" <dhogan@porterville.k12.ca.us> > To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:59 PM > Subject: [Irish-American] Fwd: [StL-Metro] Murphy's Law for > Genealogists > >

'10. The relative who had all the family photographs gave them to her son who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to share.' My relation gave them to her son who, hating clutter, threw them away! Margaret

> > >I have an aunt that is 90 and has all the old pctures sitting in boxes in her >garage and won't let us get to them because it would make a "mess". > My grandmother kept wonder photo items with marvelous old pictures with comments, but NO names. I look at them every once in a while and end up wanting to bang my head against the wall. In my mother's baby book all the women mentioned are 'auntie' and in the beginning before I really got into all the censuses, I couldn't figure out if they were blood relatives or just close friends. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Dan, I'm rather new to all of this and your list is very interesting, but your name even more. My Hogan relatives were from Kansas. Any relation? Sherry Sauder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Hogan" <dhogan@porterville.k12.ca.us> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: [Irish-American] Fwd: [StL-Metro] Murphy's Law for Genealogists > > From another list. > Dan Hogan > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > 1) The public ceremony in which your distinguished ancestor > > participated and at which the platform collapsed under him turned out > > to be a hanging. > > 2) When at last after much hard work you have solved the mystery you > > have been working on for two years, your aunt says, "I could have told > > you that" > > > > 3) You grandmother's maiden name that you have searched for for four > > years was on a letter in a box in the attic all the time. > > > > 4) You never asked your father about his family when he was alive > > because you weren't interested in genealogy then. > > > > 5) The will you need is in the safe on board the Titanic. > > > > 6) Copies of old newspapers have holes occurring only on the > > surnames. > > > > 7) John, son of Thomas, the immigrant whom your relatives claim as > > the family progenitor, died on board ship at age 10. > > > > 8) Your great grandfather's newspaper obituary states that he died > > leaving no issue of record. > > > > 9) The keeper of the vital records you need has just been insulted > > by a another genealogist. > > > > 10) The relative who had all the family photographs gave them all to > > her daughter who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to > > share. > > > > 11) The only record you find for your great grandfather is that his > > property was sold at a sheriff's sale for insolvency. > > > > 12) The one document that would supply the missing link in your > > dead-end line has been lost due to fire, flood or war. > > > > 13) The town clerk to whom you wrote for the information sends you a > > long handwritten letter which is totally illegible. > > > > 14) The spelling of your European ancestor's name bears no > > relationship to its current spelling or pronunciation. > > > > 15) None of the pictures in your recently deceased grandmother's > > photo album have names written on them. > > > > 16) No one in your family tree ever did anything noteworthy, owned > > property, was sued or was named in wills. > > > > 17) You learn that your great aunt's executor just sold her life's > > collection of family genealogical materials to a flea market dealer > > "somewhere in New York City." > > > > 18) Ink fades and paper deteriorates at a rate inversely > > proportional to the value of the data recorded. > > > > 19) The 37 volume, sixteen thousand page history of your county of > > origin isn't indexed. > > > > 20) You finally find your great grandparent's wedding records and > > discover that the brides' father was named John Smith. > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

I have an aunt that is 90 and has all the old pctures sitting in boxes in her garage and won't let us get to them because it would make a "mess". Beth

On 5/18/04 1:59 PM, "Dan Hogan" <dhogan@porterville.k12.ca.us> wrote: > The one document that would supply the missing link in your >> dead-end line has been lost due to fire, flood or war. >> Man, that one sounds way too familiar. My g-grandfather was supposedly born in Kansas about 1885. I finally found him and his family on the 1880 census records, so I knew his father's name, but all it said was that his father was born on Pennsylvania. I needed more detail, so I tried to get his birth certificate. The Kansas records are kept in the state archives from 1911 onward. Anything prior is in the county offices. I wrote to the county where they lived in 1880, looking for better documentation, but they told me all their records had been lost, and they said nothing existed, so I am back at square one. Challenges are what make it interesting, right? -- We will not forget! www.remember-9-11.com www.ciarancummings.com

Oh Dan, How true, how true! We find them all at one time or another. Thanks for the smile of the day. Bev

From another list. Dan Hogan Begin forwarded message: > > > 1) The public ceremony in which your distinguished ancestor > participated and at which the platform collapsed under him turned out > to be a hanging. > 2) When at last after much hard work you have solved the mystery you > have been working on for two years, your aunt says, "I could have told > you that" > > 3) You grandmother's maiden name that you have searched for for four > years was on a letter in a box in the attic all the time. > > 4) You never asked your father about his family when he was alive > because you weren't interested in genealogy then. > > 5) The will you need is in the safe on board the Titanic. > > 6) Copies of old newspapers have holes occurring only on the > surnames. > > 7) John, son of Thomas, the immigrant whom your relatives claim as > the family progenitor, died on board ship at age 10. > > 8) Your great grandfather's newspaper obituary states that he died > leaving no issue of record. > > 9) The keeper of the vital records you need has just been insulted > by a another genealogist. > > 10) The relative who had all the family photographs gave them all to > her daughter who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to > share. > > 11) The only record you find for your great grandfather is that his > property was sold at a sheriff's sale for insolvency. > > 12) The one document that would supply the missing link in your > dead-end line has been lost due to fire, flood or war. > > 13) The town clerk to whom you wrote for the information sends you a > long handwritten letter which is totally illegible. > > 14) The spelling of your European ancestor's name bears no > relationship to its current spelling or pronunciation. > > 15) None of the pictures in your recently deceased grandmother's > photo album have names written on them. > > 16) No one in your family tree ever did anything noteworthy, owned > property, was sued or was named in wills. > > 17) You learn that your great aunt's executor just sold her life's > collection of family genealogical materials to a flea market dealer > "somewhere in New York City." > > 18) Ink fades and paper deteriorates at a rate inversely > proportional to the value of the data recorded. > > 19) The 37 volume, sixteen thousand page history of your county of > origin isn't indexed. > > 20) You finally find your great grandparent's wedding records and > discover that the brides' father was named John Smith. > >

This was posted to the Ireland list originally by Cathy and she has given me permission to post it to this list. London Times London, Middlesex, England June 17, 1851 IRELAND (From our Own Correspondent) GALWAY AND AMERICA The directors of the Midland Great Western Railway have officially notified that the company will convey free of all expense to Dublin the passengers on board the America, United States steam-ship, which sails on Tuesday next on her experimental trip from New York to the port of Galway- a piece of well-timed liberality which has been followed up on by the City of Dublin Steam-packet Company, who have undertaken to being the Transatlantic visitors on the same terms to Holyhead or Liverpool, whichever they desire. The following is an extract from a letter received by Mr. Persse, of Galway, from his brother, Mr. Dudley Persse, who is actively engaged in New York promoting the interests of his native town:- "It is settled that the North America will make two trips to Galway, and will sail from this port positively on the 17th of June for Galway, and leave on the 4th or 8th of July. She will sail on the second voyage about the 1st of August; and if all goes right, we expect to be able, in a short time, to get all the steam-ships to call at Galway in place of Southampton. Every person in Galway possessed of a car or carriage should have it at the dock to convey all the ladies and gentlemen to the different hotels, and you should bring the matter at once before the Harbour and Town Commissioner. Two of the owners, Messrs. Vanderwater and M'Leon go out in her. We shall try and get the Ohio and Promethus to sail on the 1st of August also, and we expect that Miss Hayes will come out in the North America on the second trip. The North America will make Galway in 8 1/2 days, as she is a very swift vessel, having run 350 miles for three successive days." The North America, it is reported, will carry over about 150 passengers. Meanwhile the arrangements for the opening of the whole line of railway from Galway to Dublin are being carried out with redoubled energy, and it is now believed that all the works will be completed before the time contemplated (the 1st of August) by the enterprising contractor (Mr. Dargan). Labourers are employed night and day, and when the splendid bridge over the Shannon is finished but little more remains to be done. EMIGRATION. A moderate Conservative journal (the Downpatrick Recorder) takes a widely different view from the great majority of the Irish papers of the consequences of the emigration movement now in progress. It says- "Generally speaking, the classes which have emigrated are small farmers and labourers. We cannot see how it will entail a national loss, the emigration of a number of small farmers. They were too numerous, they recklessly competed for land and raised the rents on one another; they had little capital toexpend upon agriculture and as little skill; they were not blessed with a large share of knowledge, either bearing upon their occupation or otherwise, and were very unwilling to learn. They were slow to diverge from the beaten track of their progenitors. As to political and religious principles, or rather feelings and prejudices, they were not of such a kind that their loss should be a matter of deep regret. The small farmers will be succeeded by large farmers, whether English, Irish, or Scotch, who will have more skill, capital, and energy, and therefore be better fitted to turn their farms to the best account. Before the changes took place in the agricultural state of the country this was wanted; it is more than ever necessary now, when the best policy would be to produce less grain, and pay more attention to cattle feeding and those departments of agricultural pursuit which come less in contact with foreign competition. Some may complain that labourers will be scarce, but fewer labourers will be required under the new state of things to which the country is approximating, so that if a great many had not emigrated, they must have been supported in the workhouses." With respect to our agricultural prospects the same cautious authority observes:- "There are visible indications of the country recovering from its evils, if men would only have hope and patience. Cultivation has been well attended to, and the crops are, as they should be, of a very diversified character, which is best suited to the present time. For so far, also, the crops promise well. The Encumbered Estates Court has done great good by clearing off many encumbrances which clogged the wheels of national progress. It has laid the foundation for great changes. It has transferred a great extent of land to other hands, at an expense much short of thatwhich, in old times, attended such transfers. With respect to several articles of farm produce, such as cattle, pork, butter, &c., the prices are not despicable; and pretty fair prices may be looked forward to if artificial tactics be abandoned, and things be allowed to find their natural level. It is not a matter of opinion merely, it is a matter of ascertained fact, that the farmers may thank their professed friends, the Protectionists, for lowering the price of grain. They pained everything in gloomy colours-they represented the agricultural interest as doomed to ruin-they raised a panic, in short, which had the effect of deterring buyers from purchasing and urging on holders of grain to dispose of its at a sacrifice." Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

I am researching James Conley or Connelly, born 19 March, 1816 in Ireland.Wife Catherine, children: Johanna, b. Canada abt 1847? Elen, b. NY Patrick, b. NY Mary, b. Ohio Katie or Katherine,Mo. John, Mo. James Joseph,1864,Sparta, Mo. Cornelius, Mo. Sara, Mo Worked for Frisco RR, buried Springfield, MO. 1884 Son James Joseph, above, married Margaret Theresa Shanahan, dau. of Timothy Shanahan and Ellen Anne O'Connor. Ellen born 1835, Elton, Knockainy/Knockaney, Co. Limerick of James O' Connor and Catherine Casey. Trying to ascertain birthplace in Ireland, when and where entered US or Canada, date/ place of marriage.. same info on Timothy Shanahan/Shannahan, also date/place of death and burial. Other relatives Aunt Ella , cousin John Shannahan, cousins Sullivan, Lawler, Nelson, Ellen Anne Shanahan's son in law William J. Roach/Roche of Springfield Cathy Connelly Timothy's children were: Florence, Indiana Mary N, Ill, poss. E St Louis Maurice/Morris, 1863, Chillicothe, Mo Twins John and Cornelius, 1864, Chillicothe Margaret, 1867, Missouri Annie M, 1869 Daniel J, 1875 Ellan, abt 1870 Katie, 1876, all of Missouri. Anyone out there have same names??

Hi, Does anyone recognize this family? father and mother: John Gaul and Catherine Carmody Children: Luke born: Jan 17, 1847 Ballynoony, Mullinvat parish, Co. Kilkenny Anne: born: Nov 25, 1848 " " " Alice: born: Jul 30, 1850 " " " William born: Oct 7, 1852 " " " Laurence: born: Sep 27,1854 Ballyvateen " " John: born: Jan 28, 1856 ? " " I believe that my gggrandfather, John Gaule may have remarried after my gggrandmother ,Bridget Kinsella, died. My ggrandfather, Richard James Gaul and his sister Elizabeth were born in 1845, before Bridget would have died. I am trying to verify if these two John Gaules (Gauls) are the same. Any help from anyone would really be appreciated. Maureen N

I have a new list that some may be interested in: Irish-In-UK It is a discussion list for those who are interested in the Irish migration to the UK (includes England, Wales, Scotland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands). It will include genealogy, history, culture etc and for those that settled in the UK and those that may have stayed there a while, or a generation or so, before moving on to the US, AU, South Africa or other areas of the world. If you would like to join, you can do so at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-IN-UK.html I haven't gotten around to making a website for the list, yet, but hope to do so this weekend. Also, if you can pass the word on that this list has started, I would appreciate it. Before you post to any list, be sure to ask permission of the listowner. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> > >People from the Palatines, came to Limerick. Can we have some info about >them; their names and what remains of them and their culture ? > James Ryan in his 'Irish Records' mentions this: In 1709, families of German settlers from the Rhine Palatinate were brought to Limerick and settled around Rathkeale. These people were of Moravian faith and came to be known as Palatines. Of the original eight hundred families that were brought to the country, only two hundred (approximately 1,200 people) remained in Ireland. Later in the century, groups of the remaining Palatine families moved ot other colonies in Adare and Castleisland in County Kerry. Common names among these people included Shouldice, Switzer and Cole. If you put 'Palatines' in google, you will find many website dedicated to this group and probably find out all you want to know about them. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

I 'm new to this list, but I am a member of a number of other list so some of you may have seen my requests for help before. I am searching Patrick and Bridget Murphy arrived in Ny 1908 then moved to Westbury Connecticut, to stay with James Flynn Also Thomas Murphy arrived NY 1911 Also moved to Westbury, to stay with Joseph Flynn. I have received a lot of information from other listers, and was just wondering if anyone is researching these names. Julie

Good Morning George, You have quite a lot on your family. I know my grandmother (Mary Ann Craney, Creney) was born on Warrenpoint, Co. Down, NI. In 1877 my grandfather went to Ireland and married her Aug. 10, 1878 in St. Peter's church. On their marriage certificate it lists her father as James Creney, and John's father as James McVey (John's name is spelled McVeigh on the certificate). Also above James name soneone wrote in a different handwriting "dead", I don't know if my g-grandfather went to Ireland with his son and died there or not but I haven't been able to find a death for him in the Newburgh area. They had a son James born there June 18, 1879. They came back to the USA about 1880. They bought a house on Prospect St next to Sweet Orrs and their property was adjacent to Gearns property. They had eight children and my grandfather worked for the Bleachery. In 1870 James wife Margaret (McEvoy) bought a house at 199 Ann St. I don't know if she was a widow then or not, but I don't think it was common for a woman to buy property. I know James was alive in 1865 as they had a daughter Elizabeth born Dec. 15, 1865 so I don't think he died in the Civil War. I envy you going to Ireland. Everyone I know who has gone there loved it. My cousin John McVeigh's daughter Patty and her husband have built a house there, but still live here. He loves the golf courses there. Please say hello to Bonnie for me and enjoy your trip. Best Regards, Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gmcg62@aol.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] Irish immigration through Canada > Hello again Dorothy,Let me give you a little run down of what I have on my > family.Isn,t much for 5 years of research. > My ggfather George McGrath, I first found him in the 1860 US Census for White > Plains NY, he was a 17 year old shoemaker apprentice, living with the > shoemaker AJ Mead and his family. > In 1861 he came to Newburgh and married my ggmother RoseMary McCleary in the > Associate Reform Church. > In 1862 my gfather George McGrath was born then in 1863 another son Robert H. > McGrath born. > Jan 1864 ggfather joined the Union Army in Newburgh, was put in 98th NY > Infantry company "C". > July 30, 1864 he was killed in action Petersburgh VA. > Ggmother married again in 1865 to John Allison, they had two boy,s John and > James. > Don,t know what happened to that marriage but she married again 1870 to John > McClellan Bell, and had two more children Alexander and Elizabeth. > My gfather married Anna Pollock 1880 who was from County Antrim Northern > Ireland. > They had 7 children George, James, John,Jane,Rachel,Alexander and my father > Thomas. > They also had two boy,s that died as infants with the Same name William R. > McGrath > I am going to Ireland in August and hope to find exactly where my gmother was > born, I know here sister Rachel was born in a town called Dunnminning, north > of Belfast. > I found my ggmothers family coming over from Londonderry in April 1852, so I > believe she was also from the north of Ireland. > Everyone tells me my ggfather was born in County Cork.My mother told my older > sisters and brother that they moved to County Killkenny and my older cousin > says they moved to County Clare. > I haven,t found any of that to be true ,yet. > Well I am going to tell Bonnie I was in contact with you, her son Tom is up > from Florida right now. > I will keep my eye,s open for Jim McVeigh in my searches. > Good luck in your searching and keep in touch. > George gmcg62@aol.com > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

Hello again Dorothy,Let me give you a little run down of what I have on my family.Isn,t much for 5 years of research. My ggfather George McGrath, I first found him in the 1860 US Census for White Plains NY, he was a 17 year old shoemaker apprentice, living with the shoemaker AJ Mead and his family. In 1861 he came to Newburgh and married my ggmother RoseMary McCleary in the Associate Reform Church. In 1862 my gfather George McGrath was born then in 1863 another son Robert H. McGrath born. Jan 1864 ggfather joined the Union Army in Newburgh, was put in 98th NY Infantry company "C". July 30, 1864 he was killed in action Petersburgh VA. Ggmother married again in 1865 to John Allison, they had two boy,s John and James. Don,t know what happened to that marriage but she married again 1870 to John McClellan Bell, and had two more children Alexander and Elizabeth. My gfather married Anna Pollock 1880 who was from County Antrim Northern Ireland. They had 7 children George, James, John,Jane,Rachel,Alexander and my father Thomas. They also had two boy,s that died as infants with the Same name William R. McGrath I am going to Ireland in August and hope to find exactly where my gmother was born, I know here sister Rachel was born in a town called Dunnminning, north of Belfast. I found my ggmothers family coming over from Londonderry in April 1852, so I believe she was also from the north of Ireland. Everyone tells me my ggfather was born in County Cork.My mother told my older sisters and brother that they moved to County Killkenny and my older cousin says they moved to County Clare. I haven,t found any of that to be true ,yet. Well I am going to tell Bonnie I was in contact with you, her son Tom is up from Florida right now. I will keep my eye,s open for Jim McVeigh in my searches. Good luck in your searching and keep in touch. George gmcg62@aol.com

Thanks to every one who replied to my question re plants of Ireland. Most of the replies went directly to the list - so will not repeat them here. Rhodies and fuschias were frequently mentioned. They do very well here in western Washington. In fact, most of the suggested plants will do just fine. The plant that will not be considered will be gorse. It is considered a noxious weed around here. Definitely a no-no. Thanks so much! Am off to the nurseries. Pat > In addition to the amazing fuchsia everywhere, my grandfather always > associated Hydrangea with his home in Belleek. > > Rosemary Mulcahy > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

Hi George, Some of my McVeigh relatives grew up in the 4th ward, my uncle Jim who drove the trolley and later on the bus to Orange Lake. His wife was Mamie Doulin. He had three children Helen, Rita and Francis(Mickey). None of the names of your sisters seem to ring a bell, perhaps because they were a lot younger than me. I haven't heard from Bonnie in years, but would love to get in touch with her again. My brother Bob's wife meets her and her daughter Margo now and then. I don't live in Newburgh any more ( left about 25 yrs ago.) What have you found out about your ancestors so far? Did they live in Newburgh? If so try the Newburgh Library, they have City directories that will show you where they lived and their occupation. I will keep an eye out for any McGraths. If I know a little more about them it will be easier. Best Regards, Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gmcg62@aol.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] Irish immigration through Canada > Hello again Dorothy, I am from Newburgh, all my life. > Grew up on the 4th Ward. We had a big family, four brother and four sisters. > Maybe you knew some of my family. Thelma 77 RoseMary 75 thomas 73 Anita 71, > Ruth 69, > David died 1938, George 66 and John 55. > They all left Newburgh except Ruth an myself. > I am doing a family history myself, if you ever run across a George McGrath > in your search please let me know. > I live on Meadow street now, town of Newburgh, two houses from Bonnie. > I don,t know of any McGraths that taught in St Patricks. > My ggfather was killed in the Civil War 1864 at age 21 but he married my > ggmother RoseMary McCleary on Dec 16,1861 in Newburgh, he left my gfather also > George McGrath and a son Robert H> who died at age 2, 1865. > Don,t know anything abt his family. > I will keep my eye,s open for your ggfather. > George gmcg62@aol.com > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

Thanks, George....that would be great!!!!! Elizabeth