YOU BRAVE IRISH HEROES You brave Irish heroes wherever you be, I pray stand a moment and listen to me, Your sons and fair daughters are now going away, And thousands are sailing to Americay. So good luck to those people and safe may they land, They are leaving their country for a far distant strand, They are leaving old Ireland, no longer can stay, And thousands are sailing to Americay. The night before leaving they are bidding goodbye, And it's early next morning their heart gives a sigh, They do kiss their mothers and then they will say 'Farewell, dear old father, we must now go away.' Their friends and relations and neighbours also, When the trunks are all packed up, all ready to go, O the tears from their eyes they fall down like the rain, And the horses are prancing, going off for the train. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.690 / Virus Database: 451 - Release Date: 5/22/2004

I have just uploaded this month's updates to the Ireland GenWeb County Tipperary website. This month the following town(land) webpages have either been added or updated: Pallas More, Briarfield, Ballydrehid, Glenbane, Ballycohy, Cappagh White, Borresoleigh, Clonmel, Cashel, Terryglass, Muckloon, Muckloonmodderee, Newlawn, Roegarraun, Roran, Shanakill Lower, Shanakill Upper, Shanvally, Sheelruddera, Slevoir, Stonepark, Terryglass, Turavoggaun, Cappanasmear, Carrownaglogh, Clooninihy, Cornalack, Cornamult, Crossanagh, Drominagh, Drominagh Demesne, Drominagh Wood, Firmount, Garryard, Garryclohy, Gortmore, Killeen, Lacken. These now bring the number to over 190 townland webpages on this website. You can access the website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip/tipperary.htm -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

I have a different problem. I have some old photos and I can't get a response from two families that are descendants of the people in the photos. Nora margaretcaluori@blueyonder.co.uk writes: '10. The relative who had all the family photographs gave them to her son who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to share.' My relation gave them to her son who, hating clutter, threw them away! Margaret

Posted to GEN-COMP-TIPS-L by Kathi Reid and reposted here with her permission. Google synonyms The tilde ~ (that squiggly line that is on the very upper left of your keyboard to the left of the number 1 key) is Google's newest operand. Now you can search not only for a particular keyword, but also for its synonyms. Indicate a search for both by placing the tilde sign ("~") immediately in front of the keyword. A search for ~genealogy will now give results for genealogy, family history and family tree. A search for ~obits will now give results including obits, obituaries, and death notices. Try your query word with and without the tilde to notice the variation in search results. For more on understanding how Google works with many Google tips and tricks, go to http://searchforancestors.com/archives/google.html Google as a dictionary There are now two ways to find word definitions using Google. --To use Google's dictionary, type a word into the Google search box. Click Search, then click on your word on the blue bar on the Google results page, after the words [ searched the web for ] . Google will give the definition using Dictionary.com. --Google has always had a dictionary, but now you can type in the word [define ] followed by a space, and then the word or phrase you want defined. For example: [ define apoplexy ] or [ define inst ] or [ define [wheelwright ]. Google will give the web definition at the top of the search results. You can also click on "More defintions" for further variations, and the websites where the defintions are found. Both are great for: --Antiquated disease names, such as apoplexy, dropsy, phthisis, or quinsy. --Acronyms found on old documents or obituaries such as IOOF or AOH. --Names for old-fashioned occupations such as cordwainer or wheelwright. --Latin terms such as ab nepos. --Terms found in old documents such as perch or rod. Google and abbreviations HOWTO When using Google, watch your abbreviations! Google searches for the *exact* word entered. If you search for a location name, it searches for webpages that contain that name. If in your search query, you use the location abbreviation, Google doesn't convert the abbreviation to the whole name, but rather searches only for web pages that use the location abbreviation only! For example, Google does not consider Pennsylvania and PA to be the same. If you type in PA, Google will search for those pages with PA only, and your search will miss all the web pages that use the word Pennsylvania. Try searching Google for [ PA genealogy ], then [Pennsylvania genealogy], (or substitute your own location name and abbreviation), and compare the different results for each search. Using the abbreviated location name to search for current addresses such as a historical society can sometimes be successful, but if it doesn't bring results, be sure to try the full name. However, when searching for transcriptions of old data, you can widen your search by using the old-fashioned abbreviation. Here's a list of the old style US state abbreviations. http://searchforancestors.com/archives/oldstateabb.html ****** It's not just locations where you should watch abbreviations. Don't use abbreviations for descriptive keywords for your Google queries. I am the Webmaster of a US Civil War site, and I see many people get no matches on their site searches because they use abbreviated words such a regt or reg't for regiment, or co for company. Google does not think that regiment and regt are the same. If you abbreviate a search keyword, you won't get complete and accurate search results. In this case, Google will only give results of web pages that use the abbreviation regt only, and you will miss all the webpages that use the word regiment. Search Google by location HOWTO Now you can search google by location at http://labs.google.com/location Want to know where all the cemeteries are in a particular town? Search google by location. Enter cemetery into the search terms box, and the town and state into the location box. Not only do you get a list of all the cemeteries along with addresses and websites, they are plotted on a Mapquest map. You can search for Methodist Churches in a town, or Catholic cemeteries, or newspapers, libraries, and historical societies, etc. Google search by location might be useful to help locate the nearest church to where you ancestors lived. The caveat for genealogists is that the current churches, cemeteries, newspapers you will get from the search results may not be in the same names or location as 100 years ago. With Google by location, you get different results if you use singular or plural, and so far it only works for US addresses. Search by location is in Beta (testing) at Google Labs. What is Google Labs? Google says "Google labs showcases a few of our favorite ideas that aren't quite ready for prime time. Your feedback can help us improve them. Please play with these prototypes and send your comments directly to the Googlers who developed them. " So go ahead and play, then let Google know how you think about this could be made more useful to genealogists. Google Directory HOWTO If you want to search with a query for the broad subject matter such as Ireland genealogy, enter that search term into the Google search box. When you get the search results, go immediately to the tab on the top of the results that says "directory" and click on it. The directory is a human-edited classified listing of URLs. This is different from regular Google search results which are retrieved based on a computer search algorithm or formula . And sometimes that human touch helps weed out irrelevant results when you are searching for a broad category. When you perform the Ireland genealogy search click on the directory, Google lists Genuki first, which is exactly where you should head if you are searching Irish Genealogy. Google next list the National Archives of Ireland, etc. Click on Regional > Europe > Ireland > Society and Culture > Genealogy at the top of the Google page. This takes you inside the Google directory. Try this with your own location. Here's the Google Directory for genealogy http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Genealogy/ Head over to the human-edited Google directory, click around on the different categories, and take a good look around. http://searchforancestors.com/archives/google.html Tips for Using Google in your Genealogy Searches http://searchforancestors.com/google/searcher.html Easy Google Genealogy Searcher -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

With permission from Kathi Reid who posted this to GEN-COMP-TIPS-L: I've recently descovered a great new tool for using Google. Google Alert lets you automate your Google genealogy queries, sending you an email whenever any new content about your query is added to the Google database. This makes it easy to keep up with your Google genealogy searches. Simply create a set of keywords, and Google Alert will run a search each day, and will automatically send you an email alert when the query produces new results. You are limited to 3 queries, but you can use quotes, math signs, etc, as you would in a regular Google genealogy query. The first alert will send 150 results, and after that, only new content will be sent. I've been using Google Alert for a little while now and have been pleasantly surprised at the results. Not only have I found previously unknown webpages that fit my query, but also Rootsweb mailing list archives that I never would have thought of searching. To take the fullest advantage of the service, use the search settings page to change the number of results you see for each query (although you will only get 150 total results for all of your queries). You can also use this screen to have searches be run automatically each day, or manually when you click the "run now" button. You can also take advantage of Google's advanced search options, by clicking the "more" button next to each query. This displays a form with many advanced search features, allowing you to include or exclude terms, and filter by language, etc. Google Alert http://www.googlealert.com/ For more Google hints for genealogists, go to http://www.searchforancestors.com/archives/google.html -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

If anyone is researching the following names (and their variant spellings): O'Connor/Connors, Flynn, Campbell, McEntee, I have transcribed and uploaded to my website the NYC death index for these names for years 1922-1923 and for all five boroughs (Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, Manhattan, Staten Island). You will find them by going to the URL under my name. The links are under Surnames. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Begin forwarded message: > > > Ten Commandments for Ancestors > > Thou shalt use the same forenames, (preferably Mary, Elizabeth, > William and Thomas), for at least one person in each > > generation. > > Thou shalt wait the maximum amount of time before registering births > and deaths, or better still somehow forget to get > > them registered at all. > > Thou shalt use every conceivable spelling for your surname, and make > up a few as well. > > Thou shalt never use the same year of birth or birthdate. Always vary > it, adding on a couple of years > > here and taking away a couple of years there. > > Thou shalt use the house name and county or state as your place of > birth, and not the village or town. > > Thou shalt disappear without trace for at least 15 years of your life, > and suddenly turn up again. > > Thou shalt not have all of your children baptised, and shall only use > the same church sometimes. > > Thou shalt get married somewhere that neither of you live and never > use family members as witnesses. > > Thou shalt run a mile when confronted by any record keeper; if caught > thou shalt be stricken by amnesia. > > Thou shalt obey these commandments during your lifetime as often as > possible, with the constant aim of confusing and > > befuddling any descendants who may interest themselves in your history. > > .

> > >Several web sites have parts of the Griffiths Tithe and Evaluation records >online. > There are two different data bases they you seem to have a bit mixed. The first is known as the Tithe Applotments done at various times, depending on the county in the 1820s and 1830s. The second is called the Griffiths Valuation again done at various times, depending on the county in the 1840s, 1850s, and 1860s. Both list heads of household on leased property. Since no censuses have survived for this time period, many use them as a way of finding their ancestors. The tithes can be found in pieces on the internet, on personal webpages and transcribed by various people who contribute them to the websites. You will see I have some that I transcribed on my website under Counties Tipperary and Limerick. However, I have just transcribed the names and townlands, not the amount or kind of property that the leasee leased (land, house, office, etc.). The Griffiths are also all over the internet in many pieces. John Hayes has the complete index on line by county and then civil parish at: http://members.cox.net/hayes1966/griffiths.htm This index can also be bought at Ancestry or other websites because it is on CD. However, the index is not perfect, in fact, I found that there are only three people mentioned for Tipperary Civil Parish whose last name begins with a letter before the letter M in the alphabet. So looks like they left out half the leasees in that civil parish, so be careful if you base you information solely on the index. Otherdays.com and Origns.com, have the complete griffiths on line with original pages and their indexes are complete. However, both sites are subscription websites but their cost are not that high and they off more Irish databases. The LDS have filmed both the tithes and they griffiths. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> can you help? I would like to order the film from the LDS on the > Griffith's Valuation 1847-1864 but I cannot find the number do you know? The Griffiths Valuation is arranged first by County, Barony, Poor Law Union and then Civil Parish. So first lookup the townland you want and find out what Civil Parish, PLU, Barony and County it is in. You can find all this info at: http://www.seanruad.com Then go to LDS website: http://www.familysearch.org Go the Library, and choose Place. Then put your county in the search box. Once you get the county and all the categories, choose Land and Property and you will then find the Griffiths Valuation listed by Unions (Poor Law) -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Elizabeth I was going through my mail and I was going to ask the same question if anyone answers you would you be so kind to forward the site to me. Thank you Diane

There are now about 4000 names on the Kilkeel births section of my website, these include the parents names, altogether there is about 6000 names to go on, as the search engine only picks up new material every Monday please go to the Kilkeel index page, if the names you are researching do not come up on the website search engine, I spend a few hours every day putting more names on. I will be in Banbridge, Kilkeel, Dromore and a few other places from Sunday ,gathering more material and photographs for the website. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

In a message dated 5/19/2004 5:36:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, nymets11@pacbell.net writes: I don't believe any of the NYS censuses are on line other than pieces on different websites. Also none are indexed that I know about but hear Ancestry is working on 1855. LDS has filmed them all which were taken on the 5 years from 1825-1875, 1892, 1905-1925. Unfortunately, many burned in a fire and you need to check by county to see which ones survived. They are great resources and help fill in the 10 year gaps. Thanks, Pat-- I'm still hoping I'll find the missing family there, one way or another. Mary

I have another good one. I have a photo with the name Jenny on the back, which is Juder Allen's 2nd wife. My cousin has the same photo that says Grandma Eunice, which would be Juder's mother. Then the other problem here is Juder is only online in 3 diferent records, but I try to find his father.............William ALLEN!!! Go figure TTYS, Dawn

Mona: Thank you. I'm getting really spoiled, as getting about gets harder, by internet access. I wish they'd hurry up and get what I need online :-) Mary

I don't believe any of the NYS censuses are on line other than pieces on different websites. Also none are indexed that I know about but hear Ancestry is working on 1855. LDS has filmed them all which were taken on the 5 years from 1825-1875, 1892, 1905-1925. Unfortunately, many burned in a fire and you need to check by county to see which ones survived. They are great resources and help fill in the 10 year gaps. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> > >Does anyone know the name and address of the Catholic church in that town or >a Irish history and geneaolgy center in that area? > Here's a website for the Cork Heritage Unit that does research: http://www.irish-roots.net/Cork.htm -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Begin forwarded message: > > Greetings, > Some of you on this list may remember me, and several have contacted > me over time about my HOGANs and related surnames in St Louis. I now > have more info to share and along with another researcher, we are > unraveling a complicated web of St Louis Irish. > My great-grandfather, Michael J HOGAN b. 1861, the horseshoer for > Anheuser-Busch and his brother William C. HOGAN b. abt 1858 were > enumerated in the 2nd 1880 St Louis census in the home of Patrick J. > O'MEARA and his wife Julia COMMINS all born Ireland. Also in this home > are a MULLALLY family, John J MULLALLY b. abt. 1855 and wife Margaret > HOGAN, b. 1850; a Martin and James MULLALLY, and two men named RAGLES > (?). > As far as I can tell, the O'MEARA couple did not have any children. > John J MULALLY had a brother, the same Martin, b. abt. 1847, in the > 1880 census. This Martin previously lived in Oil City, PA with his > family, but seemed to have abandoned them. I find his "widow" and > children in the 1900 Oil City census, but he did not die until 1912. > John J and Margaret MULLALLY are buried in Calvary with the following > persons: > Julia DALE (daughter), Nellie DANNER (daughter), Martin MULLALLY > (brother), Mary WARNER (daughter). > William C HOGAN wed one Mary Jane O'CONNOR in 1882, surviving children > were Margaret CAHALIN, Agnes SEAVER, Genevieve WARDLE, and Catherine > MILES. > Michael HOGAN wed Margaret WALSH of Alton, IL in 1891. > There is also a Charles HOGAN and Johanna KIRBY listed on one of these > girl's baptism records. So we can deduce that there were four HOGAN > siblings now: Margaret, Charles, William C, and Michael J Hogan, all > from Tipperary, Ireland. > There is also a Bridget HOGAN in the same neighborhood living with a > HEFFERNAN family. This family consists of: Thomas, b. abt 1846, > Johanna b. abt. 1850, Thomas (son) born abt. 1872, John D, (son) born > abt. 1877, and Bridget HOGAN, sister-in-law, single, age 27, born > Ireland. > The connection is the wife, Johanna's maiden name is MULLALLY. The > HEFFERNANS are buried in Calvary in a large plot along with these > surnames: COFFIN, LORING, MONTAGUE, and 9 other MULLALLYS. > One of these 9 other MULLALLYS is John P. MULLALLY, born abt 1832 who > is brother of the above Johanna HEFFERNAN. According to his 1887 will > and probate, he leaves his possessions to his sister Johanna > HEFFERNAN, nephew Thomas HEFFERNAN, niece "Jettie" HEFFERNAN, niece > Mary MONTAGUE, and his daughter Catherine CULLINANE. His executors are > named as Thomas HALPIN, Redmond CLEARY, and Johanna MULLALLY nee > HALPIN, his first wife, who is buried in Calvary with a James P. > KELLY, most likely second husband. > Michael, William and Bridget HOGAN do not appear in the 1st > enumeration, only the 2nd, thus indicating they arrived in St Louis > between June and November of that year. Margaret MULLALLY nee HOGAN > was in St Louis as early as 1875. > Some commonalities these people shared were they attended either St > Malachy's or Assumption Parishes (BTW there was a Fr. MULLALLY at > Assumption), they are all buried in Calvary. > Have more info and more details on some of the above persons, but I'm > sure most of your heads are spinning like mine, so contact me if > anyone has any connections to these people. > Dan Hogan >

--I am looking for information about birth and marriage which I think happened in Co. Cork. Birth 1824 abd 1828 and marriage in either 1854 or 1855 in a Catholic Church. all of these events happened in Clonakilty. Does anyone know the name and address of the Catholic church in that town or a Irish history and geneaolgy center in that area? Thank you. I really appreciate your response. Virginia

State census records are hard to come by anywhere on line. Rootsweb and USGenWeb have some in their records if you search by state. Minnesota had state census in 1849, 1853, 1855, 1867, 1865, 1875, etc. There are printed indexes that can be purchased at several locations on-site. The best opportunity is to get to a large library or an LDS research center to access them. hope this helps. Mona Sarratt Knight

My mother had pictures and other stuff but wouldn't let her children look at any of it or talk with her about it because she said it was "HER" family and none of our business. Now that she is gone we are struggling to identify everything. Of course nothing was written on the back of most of the pictures. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BOrsi10649@aol.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] Re: Murphy's Law For Genealogists > I have an aunt that is 90 and has all the old pctures sitting in boxes in her > garage and won't let us get to them because it would make a "mess". Beth > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > >