Some suggestions on how to determine names of parents and grandparents of U.S. residents -- Also, ask if the library's genealogy department continues to be staffed on volunteers from the Eastern Washington Genealogy Society on Thursdays who do limited genealogy research for those unable to come to the library in person. I don't believe there is a charge. Other libraries may have similar volunteers Great advice! Thank you for your experience Jean.

I am most interested in the person who is working on McCarron. I, too, am working on that line and would like to establish contact with you. Marge McCarron DeGear

Some suggestions on how to determine names of parents and grandparents of U.S. residents -- Aged, single, widowed or disabled persons may be found living with other family members on the microfilmed United States Federal Censuses. Sometimes a household will contain nieces and nephews or grandchildren. Family members often can be found living right next door or working as farm "servants" in neighboring households. Family groups tended to migrate from state to state together, meeting and marrying their neighbors along the way. Newly-arrived emigrants often went to live with kin who had emigrated earlier. I believe the 1900 census records date of immigration, whether alien or naturalized and if the latter, date of naturalization. Microfilmed U. S. Federal Censuses are available up to and include 1930 and were taken every ten years. Data from the lost 1890 censuses can be partially made up for by consulting old city directories. If you don't have a subscription to Ancestory.com, find out how to compute the Soundex code for your surname of interest on line, or in the Soundex book at your genealogy library, then order to view for up to six weeks a census Soundex film that covers your surname, state and census year of interest at your local LDS (Mormon) FHC. Volunteers will help you do just that. That first film you order (Soundex) will contain enough data to identify your particular family and will direct you specifically to a second census microfilm that contains the actual full information recorded by the enumerator. You will need to order both films - first the correct Soundex one, and later the Census one. For a pittance ($3.75 for each film you rent), you will acquire many new facts about your family. I have never had to wait more than 10-14 days for films I requested through my local LDS FHC to arrive at my branch. (I did have to wait much longer for microfilms I rented via ther libraries in town, however).. Photocopies can be made directly from microfilms for about a quarter a page at your local LDS FHC so that you don't have to write everything down,. The helpful volunteers will assist you with anything you need including pencils, papers, magnifying glasses, setting you up with a reader (who can request a large print magnifying type reader), physically getting film in and out of the machine, etc. LDS (Mormon) libraries are free and open to the general public and they have many films and books right on the premises. Look in the phone book under churches for locations of their temples and associated family history centers. If they determine you need something from their main respository, they will order it for you. I am not a Mormon but found the volunteers to be very helpful. You may be able to access similiar films for free at an archival library or local public library with genealogy material. Viewing these USA Federal Census films is an easy, quick, inexpensive and sure way to "jump-start" your research. You might want to take a look at various reference books on the Index Shelves of your local genealogical library. There are many odd reference books, tax books, etc.. Names of individuals found on old USA Federal Censuses in book form are divided by state and census year. Depending on what state you are interested in, they are as current as 1860, 1870, 1880, even up to 1900 in some cases. Keep in mind individuals names may be misspelled. Ordering Soundexed census films helps you get over this "misspelled" or surname variation hurdle. For example, all the Kelly and Kelley families living in a particular state in a particular census year would appear together on the Soundex film. . Circa 1900 USA county marriage applications (not to be confused with certificates) may give information on PARENTS of the bride and room. While this varies from state to state, county to county, I know for a fact that Delaware Co. IN marriage applications for that time period contain many questions answered by the couple with specifics on their parents. County marriage applications and other documents such as wills, b/m/d extracts, newspaper accounts, cemetery records, land records, court cases, etc., can be obtained for a nominal "donation" by contacting the historical society in the U. S. county in which your family lived, married, raised a family. I obtained a treasure chest of documents on my families from the Delaware County Historical Alliance, Muncie, IN. Each document gave me new information to work with. Wills and other court cases were especially valuable, as were cemetery records and death extracts for identifying members of extended family. As stated, some USA county marriage applications circa 1900 give specifics on the bride and groom (including maiden name, prior marriages, whether they ended in divorce or death of spouse, signiatures of witnesses, and may also include the names and addresses of the parents of the couple. Historical societies also publish very interesting county periodicals with an every-name index in the winter issues. I look forward to my subscriptions and have found a record of one family member on a list of former school teachers. Send away for microfilmed copies of USA newspapers to look for death notices via the free interlibrary loan program with the help of your reference librarian. Death notices contain much valuable information and reveal who in the family was still living at the time of the funeral and where they resided. Your reference librarian has books that list names of newspapers in business in particular locales during specific time periods, whether they have been microfilmed and where to send for them. When they arive you can view them right there at your own library. Be sure to check both the death notice and the obituary pages. When ordering, request copies of newspapers for the two days following the date of death. Deaths notices may appear in newspapers in the town of residence, as well as larger county newspapers and even in newspapers in locations where the deceased previously resided. If you lack a definite date of death but have a good idea of when and where, there are microfilmed death indices at genealogy and archival libraries and local LDS FHCs, divided by state and approximate 10-year increments. Data is alphabetical by surname and contain name of deceased, date of death, spouse's name, (county of death, city of death by checking code at beginning of microfilm), and individual's age at time of death. Best of all, you are given the exact number of the death certificate which you can then order. This information might be available on the Internet, as well. While the data doesn't cover recent deaths, you may find someone not located on Social Security Death Index. Social Security applications often give information including oftentimes where they lived and work circa 1936. Also give parents' names. Your family may be written up in a old USA county history book because they belong to particular agricultural, fraternal, religious, or political organizations or were early settlers. Check the ones on your library shelves, but your reference librarian can order additional books for you not found in their collection via free interlibrary loan program. You don't need exact title or author, just request a history book for that particular county. Coontact libraries in areas where your families lived. They may very well have catalogue card type files on past residents and organizations, in addition to old city directories, phone books, school year books, newspaper clippings, records from local cemeteries. The main branch of my local Spokane, WA public library has a genealogy floor with reference books and microfilms, but they also have a catalogue card file containing death announcements from old newspapers pasted onto 3 x 5 cards. These cards cover Spokane and nearby towns. They also have a Northwest Room with older reference books and a helpful and knowledgeable librarian with materials on Washington State, possibly adjoining states. She may be able to do a look-up for you. Also, ask if the library's genealogy department continues to be staffed on volunteers from the Eastern Washington Genealogy Society on Thursdays who do limited genealogy research for those unable to come to the library in person. I don't believe there is a charge. Other libraries may have similar volunteers. One of my favorite reader-friendly Soundex microfilmed set of records gives data on aliens crossing the Canadian-USA border circa 1895-1924. While called St. Albans (VT) records, they pertain to anyone crossing at ANY point along the entire border. Included with the usual record data is not only last residence, but address and name of relative in "old" country, same at intended destination, traveling companions, when last in country and color of hair, eyes, height and weight, identifying scars, etc. Best of all, they give the name of any ship, port, date involved in travel which can lead to a second microfilm of ship manifests. I found aunts and uncles on these films which are alphabetical by surname, because all the Fords for that entire time period were listed together. It wasn't difficult to spot my aunt "Pat" from information given and find she was really Winifred Rosina Ford, her nickname was "Pat" after her Irish grandfather, and "Denis" was really Harold Denis Ford. My father's record confirmed his story about the scar in his left eyebrow being the result of a shipboard mishap when he was emigrating from Liverpool. The St. Alban's record mentioned a "fresh cut over eyebrow" - Gave me goosebumps! Note, although the Soundex film says it ends in 1924, he emigrated in 1925 and his record was on the film. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMARYPATC@aol.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] On what documents would parents names be given? > New > Jersey. Would he have written his parents names on any document I could try > to order? Thanks for any ideas > > > I tto would be interested in the answere to this question .. > > MaryPat > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/9/2004

try getting the marriage license. I have my grandparent's license from penn with the paper my grandfather's mother was supposed to sign because he was underage. She refused so they married two days after he turned 21. Interestingly enough, when my parents went to Penn several years ago to the church, the priest had the original marriage license. He gave it to my mother. It was well worn and we have no idea how it got to the church. This is no the first time I have heard this--my husband's mother told me that the priest took her marriage license and never returned it to her. So check with the church as well as the vital records office--you never know what you might find! Judy

Did you know google has a genealogical search website? I didn't but someone on another mailing list posted about it and I thought I would pass the information on. I have tried it for one of my surnames and now will have to try the others....good search engine. http://www.genealogy-search-help.com/index.html -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> > >what is an LDS holding? > The LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah has filmed many genealogical records (census, church, civil etc) and at local LDS Family History Centers, one can rent a film and view it there. Holdings refers to those films. You can find the film numbers at: http://www.familyhistory.org What is good is that they have opened these centers to anyone who has an interest in genealogy, not just LDS parishioners. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Pat; Thanks for the wonderful memories. I can still smell the pot of oatmeal cooking on the back of the stove all day long at grandmas. Her home always had such a great smell. I think it was the combination of the oatmeal and the gas stove! About 15 years ago, we were house hunting, and as we walked in, there was this wonderful smell. No, we bought another house, but great memories. I remember her always making grandpa a real eggnog for lunch every day and grandpa having his "2 fingers" every night before bed! The big breakfast after Sunday Mass with hot "boons" from the bakery, fresh donuts after daily Mass, lots of potatoes and vegetables, but no meat until you ate all you veggies! Always so much food! AnneMarie

Death certificates also usually have the parents names. Many states allow ordering via mail or via internet a request for death certs. Maureen N

In a message dated 7/11/2004 11:30:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nymets11@pacbell.net writes: > have you look at the LDS > Family History Holdings for PA? > > what is an LDS holding? ty

WINNIE, PARENTS NAMES IF KNOWN WILL BE ON ALL CERTIFICATES WHERE WAS HE MARRIED? BOTH CHURCH AND CITY HAVE THAT RECORD. BEST OF LUCK WITH YOUR RESEARCH MAMME

You could try for a marriage certificate, or perhaps if he was a sponsor at a baptism. The NJ State Archives may be able to help. Did he serve in the military? Elizabeth Virginia

New Jersey. Would he have written his parents names on any document I could try to order? Thanks for any ideas I tto would be interested in the answere to this question .. MaryPat Researching: Gibbons, Flanagan, Hughes, Murphy, O Hora/ O Hara, Gavin, Howley, Loftus, Jordan ALL MAYO Carey- Ireland (?), Jersey City/Astoria NY Lichacz- Ukraine, Jersey City, Astoria NY and Fairfield Ct. Pifko-Ukraine, Brooklyn, Broad Albin NY

I have cousins who I know are cousins, but we can't find a documented link. We think my cousin's grandfather and my grandmother were first cousins. I found my relatives in Ireland and they think so too, but don't know for sure and can't prove it. I got Thomas Boyle's death certificate but his son put a question mark under parents' names.I have his naturalization record, but nothing and Philadelphia did not send me first papers. He wouldn't have had social security. He was born in Ireland approximately 1842 and he died in 1924 in New Jersey. Would he have written his parents names on any document I could try to order? Thanks for any ideas. Winnie in Vt.

Hi, I just found this site and it may be interesting to some of you http://ni_towns.tripod.com/belfast/index.html it also has a few other towns in Ireland. Enjoy, Margaret Bence Davis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

thanks to George from the Irish Heritage Newletter... Thanks to Barra, one of our many Irish Heritage members from Tennessee. This looks great Barra. Thanks again for sending this recipe in. Lets here from more of you out there. I know some of you must have some great Irish recipes stuck away. Check out your grandmothers old recipe files. You'll be surprised what you will find. Oat Bannocks/ Aran Corca Oat Bannocks, also called aran corca.... here are a couple of recipes, both from the north of Ireland. An important note. The Oatmeal is not the just plain rolled oats, it is more like a corse, very course flour. To make a good Oatmeal... take some rolled oats, high quality the Old Fashioned kind, not the quick cooking. Put a couple of cups in a food processor..... bumb the button a couple of times... and presto you have what you need. I have also seen my wife just break up the rolled oats by hand in her fingers. The point is you want a coarse meal. 2 cups oatmeal 1/2 tsp salt 1/2 tsp soda 2 Tablespoons butter 1/2 cup hot water. Combine dry ingredients. Mis wll... add melted butter. Stir in enough hot wat into the mixture to make a stiff dough. Turen onto a board with oatmeal and divide in two parts. Knead one part lightly and roll to 1/4 inch thick and cut into four farls. Repeat with the other dough. bake on a lightly buttered cast iron griddle on low heat. Do not turn. Ready when the edges curl up. OR..... oven bake on a lightly buttered cookie sheet on 300 cook for 20 to 25 minutes... then turn you oven down to 225 to 250 and cook another 20 minutes. All ovens cook different. what you want is them to be crispy. grey with a brownish tint. You don't want them browned though. trial and error will produce this most ancient of Gaelic foods. Here is another version from my cousin people in Ballyrashane parish, on the Antrim/Derry border. OAT CAKES 1 lb oatmeal, 1/2 teaspoon salt, 2oz melted butter, hot water, sugar if liked, better wihout, mix oatmeal with melted butter, salt and enough hot water to make it stick to gether in a round ball, set out on a board dustedwith oatmeal, roll into a round about 1/4 inches thick, cut into rounds or shapes, cook on hot griddle, or bake in oven , in olden times they were baked on griddle on side of fire , finish in front of open fire , peat smoke ! use with plenty of butter when eating. You will get the knack of it.If you serve them with smoked salmon and a little cream or other soft cheese... it is Tír Na nÓg for sure. a cucumber slice doesn't hurt them Let me know how you made out. These things fuel the Bush River Band.... Barra -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> > >He was born in Ireland approximately 1842 and he died in 1924 in New Jersey. Would he have written his parents names on any document I could try to order? > Marriage certificates? How about a newspaper obituary? Funeral directors records? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> > >I would greatly appreciate it, if you could help with the following: >LDS Film # for Newtownards Ireland, 1911 Census. >I have tried to find it, but I am all mixed-up. > I found the films below by going to: http://www.familysearch.org Click on Library tab, then on Family History Library Catalogue and then on Place Search Put Newtownards in the place search box Click on Ireland, Down, Newtownards (country, county, parish/town) Click on Census-1911 Click on Census returns, Newtownards Parish (Down), 1901-1911 Click on View Film Notes 1911 Newtownards North D.E.D. 128/1-13 Townlands: Ballyalicock, Ballyharry, Ballyhenny, Ballyreagh, Ballywatticock, Bootown, Corporation North, Cronstown, Drumhirk, Gregstown, Loughriscouse, Movilla, Whitespots - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104199 ] 1911 Newtownards South D.E.D. 129/1-7 Townlands: Ballyalton, Ballybarnes, Ballycullen, Ballymagreehan, Ballymoney, Ballyrogan, Ballyskeagh High - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104199 ] 1911 Newtownards South D.E.D. 129/8-16 Townlands: Ballyskeagh Low, Commons (rural part), Corporation South, Craigogantlet, Greengraves, Killarn, Milecross, Scrabo, Tullynagrady - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104200 ] 1911 Newtownards Urban D.E.D. 130/1-12 Newtownards Town: Ann Street, Balfour Street, Bangor Road, Browns Lane, Canal Row, Castle Place, Castle Street, Church Terrace, Conway Square, Court Square - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104200 ] 1911 Newtownards Urban D.E.D. 130/13-24 Newtownards Town: Court Street, Donaghadee Road, East Street, Francis, Francis Street, Francis Street Little, George's Street, Greenwell Lane - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104201 ] 1911 Newtownards Urban D.E.D. 130/25-35 Newtownards Town: Greenwell Street High, Kennell Lane, Mark Street, Market Street, Marquis Street, Mary Street, Lower Mary Street, Mary Street Lane, Mary Street Place - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104315 ] 1911 Newtownards Urban D.E.D. 130/36-54 Newtownards Town: McCormack's Court, Meeting House Lane, Movilla Street, Upper Movilla Street, North Street, Price's Lane, Queen Street, Regent Street, Russell Court, Russell Place, Back Shuttlefield Street, Front Shuttlefield Street, Shuttle Row, Shore Road, South Street - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104316 ] 1911 Newtownards Urban D.E.D. 130/55-68 Newtownards Town: South Street cont., Talbot Street, Upper Court Street, Victoria Avenue, Wallace Street No. 1, Wallace Street no. 2, West Street, Windmill Row Post Office, Zion Place, Brewery Lane, Church Street - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104317 ] 1911 Newtownards Urban D.E.D. 130/69-86 Newtownards Town: Circular Street, Curry's Quarter Street, Darrah's Lane, Ford Street, Frederick Street, Gibson's Lane, Glen Road, Glenford Place, Half Acre Lane, James Street, John Street, John Street Lane, Mill Street - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104318 ] 1911 Newtownards Urban D.E.D. 130/87-94 Newtownards Town: Mill Street, Pound Street, Lower Pound Street, Regent Street, Thomas Street, Union Lane, William Street, William Street Place - FHL BRITISH Film [ 2104319 ] -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Hi- Do you have a catholic , Bklyn, priest? Rev. John J. Burke, d. 3/26/1943 66 John J. Burke apears to be born to John Burke, 28 Ire and Catharine Burke 28 Ireland. They are in New York, NY and there is also Michael 6, Mary 5, Kate, 8, John Hearn other 73, Mary Hearn other 70 and Bridget Hearn other 25 (sounds like her sister and parents) Adults all born in Ireland. Burke's parents are William Burke and Mary Conway. Thanx, Barbara : ) Irish: BARRETT, BURKE, BYRNE, CONWAY, CORRIGAN, GALLAGHER, McNALLY, QUINN German: BAUER, BEARE, BEIMANN, BEEKMAN, BEUSCHER, BLANKENMEYER, CASTLE, DECKER, ENGLEHARD/T, HELMKEN, HOHLER, HURRINUS, JOHNSON, KELLER, KITTELBERGER, LOW, MILLER/MEULLER/MULLER, RINGEISEN, ROLLMANN, SCHNEIDER, SOFFEL, STERRITT, STRATTON, TRAVER, UMBROLIA, VETTER, WAGNER, WEIGAND, WILLIAMS Polish: BUDARZ, ROMANSKI

I have updated the Flanagan section of my website with new links to other Flanagan websites, plus more names added to the surname registry. All spellings of the surname are included. You find find the section by going to the URL below my name, on my homepage, at the top, under Surnames, click on Flanagan. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

George McCarron's children were Hiram W. b 01-Sep-1827, Wilbur Fiske b 01-Jan-1841. Laura A. b 1837 and Sarah Martha b 05-Mar-1842. Thank you for your reply and I will continue searching. Marge