Jean: What a lovely, lovely, poem. Thank you. George Alexander

I WILL GO WITH MY FATHER A-PLOUGHING I will go with my father a-ploughing To the green field by the sea, And the rooks and the crows and the seagulls Will come flocking after me. I will sing to the patient horses With the lark in the white of the air, And my father will sing the plough-song That blesses the cleaving share. I will go with my father a-sowing To the red field by the sea, And the rooks and the gulls and the starlings Will come flocking after me. I will sing to the striding sowers With the finch on the flowering sloe, And my father will sing the seed-song That only the wise men know. I will go with my father a-reaping To the brown field by the sea, And the geese and the crows and the children Will come flocking after me. I will sing to the weary reapers With the wren in the heat of the sun, And my father will sing the scythe-song That joys for the harvest done. -- Joseph Campbell (1879-1944)

Wow, guess the site is back up, which is good news. However, keep the other URL I posted, in case it goes off line again. Now can be found at: http://www.seanruad.com/ >Does anyone know if the townland database available for download? > The book that the database is from is called, General Alphabetical Index to the Townlands and Towns, Parishes and Baronies of Ireland, Based on the Census of Ireland for the Year 1851. This book was first published in 1861. While I bought mine in Dublin, it can be found in many bookstores. I put a link on our mailing list's website, under Irish Links, for Amazon. It is a great book if you do much Ireland research. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

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Thank you, Jean, for sharing your story. Your daughter is very fortunate she has parents like you. Nora _jeanrice@cet.com_ (mailto:jeanrice@cet.com) writes: Hi Nora -- Speaking of birth certificate irregularities, you jogged my memory. When I adopted my foster daughter in WA State (circa early 1970s), I was amazed that my husband and I were issued an "official-looking" birth certificate that listed us as if we HAD actually been the parents - our names, our ages at the time of birth, our address, even my husband's occupation. (It did have the original/correct birth date and hospital and doctor, I believe.). In those days it was believed to be beneficial to all parties involved to keep details of an adoption inaccessible, in sealed files. After being registered foster parents for the State and having this wonderful little girl part of our family for over two years, you can imagine how devastated we were when notified by the State that we had to give her up as she was finally free legally for adoption. We were heartbroken and decided to hire a lawyer and fight the system. We prevailed, although the chances of success, per the lawyer, had been overwhelmingly against us. (Perhaps rules regarding adoption by foster parents have subsequently loosened). Whether or not her original birth certificate still exists in some legal file, or has been expunged, I don't know. While I was ecstatic to be able to adopt her, I also felt somewhat dishonest in having been issued a "dummy" certificate. Prior to that, we had been advised by our lawyer that we might want to change her given name. I remembering thinking at that time that her name was the only thing she had left of her birth mother, so we did not change her first name but I did change her middle name. I imagine at that time all this was done to somehow "protect" the child from the truth, protect us from interference by the birth parents, who were forced to relinquish their legal rights against their will. Before we began the adoption process, we had been told by the State that while they recognized that we had taken good care of her, we were "only foster parents" and to "stay in our place - if we continued to "buck the system" we could never be foster parents again. Because we had four children of our own, they wanted to place her with a childless family. That made sense to them, but they totally disregarded any feelings or bond that now existed between thiis little girl and our family. (It should be noted that when they placed her with us at age 11 months, no one from the State called or came out to check on her to see how she was doing for seven months!) Worst of all, they went so far as to coldly offer us another child in her place, an older child, or one of mixed race or with a handicap. that we could adopt if we would just agree to give up our foster daughter gracefully. They said that because she was young, healthy, blond and Caucasian, that there were hundreds of childless couples on their list who would want to adopt her. Of course, we loved her and rejected that offer! After hiring a lawyer and being persistent - and with all the anguish involved in worrying that she might be taken away at any moment, the legal fees, the one-year background check by an adoption agency - we ultimately prevailed. And we told our daughter right from the start that she had been adopted by us because we loved her and could not bear to lose her. When she turned 18, we decided to petitioned a judge for her medical records and I was verbally given a few facts including (begrudgingly) the birth surname. As it turned out, the surname was unusual enough I discovered her aunt and uncle in town via the phone book on my second try!. (In fact, I was so taken aback, I hung up to collect my thoughts and did not call them back for a week). The aunt and uncle were delighted and came over the very next day with their photo album containing snapshots of our daughter as an infant and her birth family. Unfortunately, as it turned out, her birth parents all these years later were continuing their unhealthy lifestyles - but my adopted daughter was glad, nonetheless, that she had the opportunity to meet them (her birth father died shortly afterward) and now knew her roots. (She also told me that she was glad that we had adopted her). She has subsequently meet half-sibs and a grandmother with whom she is close, and she and her birth mother have met and now correspond by mail. My adopted daughter, ever the optomist, feels now that her birth mother had subsequently "straightened out her life." Her birth mother has phoned me (in tears) to thank me for letting her know that her daughter was safe, to say that she had thought about her every day and was happy to have the opportunity to renew ties. Although certainly less than a perfect outcome, I feel I made the right choice in searching for her birth parents, for her sake and for her birth mother's sake. I have also been able to trace her family genealogically with the use of USA Federal Censuses. Some state adoption files are no longer closed to the public, perhaps WA State is one of them. We haven't pursued this further, although I guess we should. Jean

Hi Nora -- Speaking of birth certificate irregularities, you jogged my memory. When I adopted my foster daughter in WA State (circa early 1970s), I was amazed that my husband and I were issued an "official-looking" birth certificate that listed us as if we HAD actually been the parents - our names, our ages at the time of birth, our address, even my husband's occupation. (It did have the original/correct birth date and hospital and doctor, I believe.). In those days it was believed to be beneficial to all parties involved to keep details of an adoption inaccessible, in sealed files. After being registered foster parents for the State and having this wonderful little girl part of our family for over two years, you can imagine how devastated we were when notified by the State that we had to give her up as she was finally free legally for adoption. We were heartbroken and decided to hire a lawyer and fight the system. We prevailed, although the chances of success, per the lawyer, had been overwhelmingly against us. (Perhaps rules regarding adoption by foster parents have subsequently loosened). Whether or not her original birth certificate still exists in some legal file, or has been expunged, I don't know. While I was ecstatic to be able to adopt her, I also felt somewhat dishonest in having been issued a "dummy" certificate. Prior to that, we had been advised by our lawyer that we might want to change her given name. I remembering thinking at that time that her name was the only thing she had left of her birth mother, so we did not change her first name but I did change her middle name. I imagine at that time all this was done to somehow "protect" the child from the truth, protect us from interference by the birth parents, who were forced to relinquish their legal rights against their will. Before we began the adoption process, we had been told by the State that while they recognized that we had taken good care of her, we were "only foster parents" and to "stay in our place - if we continued to "buck the system" we could never be foster parents again. Because we had four children of our own, they wanted to place her with a childless family. That made sense to them, but they totally disregarded any feelings or bond that now existed between thiis little girl and our family. (It should be noted that when they placed her with us at age 11 months, no one from the State called or came out to check on her to see how she was doing for seven months!) Worst of all, they went so far as to coldly offer us another child in her place, an older child, or one of mixed race or with a handicap. that we could adopt if we would just agree to give up our foster daughter gracefully. They said that because she was young, healthy, blond and Caucasian, that there were hundreds of childless couples on their list who would want to adopt her. Of course, we loved her and rejected that offer! After hiring a lawyer and being persistent - and with all the anguish involved in worrying that she might be taken away at any moment, the legal fees, the one-year background check by an adoption agency - we ultimately prevailed. And we told our daughter right from the start that she had been adopted by us because we loved her and could not bear to lose her. When she turned 18, we decided to petitioned a judge for her medical records and I was verbally given a few facts including (begrudgingly) the birth surname. As it turned out, the surname was unusual enough I discovered her aunt and uncle in town via the phone book on my second try!. (In fact, I was so taken aback, I hung up to collect my thoughts and did not call them back for a week). The aunt and uncle were delighted and came over the very next day with their photo album containing snapshots of our daughter as an infant and her birth family. Unfortunately, as it turned out, her birth parents all these years later were continuing their unhealthy lifestyles - but my adopted daughter was glad, nonetheless, that she had the opportunity to meet them (her birth father died shortly afterward) and now knew her roots. (She also told me that she was glad that we had adopted her). She has subsequently meet half-sibs and a grandmother with whom she is close, and she and her birth mother have met and now correspond by mail. My adopted daughter, ever the optomist, feels now that her birth mother had subsequently "straightened out her life." Her birth mother has phoned me (in tears) to thank me for letting her know that her daughter was safe, to say that she had thought about her every day and was happy to have the opportunity to renew ties. Although certainly less than a perfect outcome, I feel I made the right choice in searching for her birth parents, for her sake and for her birth mother's sake. I have also been able to trace her family genealogically with the use of USA Federal Censuses. Some state adoption files are no longer closed to the public, perhaps WA State is one of them. We haven't pursued this further, although I guess we should. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <Irishcolleen45@aol.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:00 AM Subject: [Irish-American] adoption and applying for Irish citizenship > Hi listers, > > Just want to share this with you. I was at a wake last night and was > reacquainted with a late cousin's son. My cousin died in 1972 when his son was two > years old. My cousin's wife remarried in 1974. Her new husband wanted to > adopt the son but the son didn't want to give up his surname. When the son > was 16, he agreed to be adopted by his step father as long as the son could > keep his surname. Apparently that is allowed at 16 (New York State). > > Fast forward to this year. The son wants to apply for Irish citizenship > (his paternal grandparents were both born in Ireland) and tried to get a copy of > his original birth certificate. He couldn't. It was expunged at the time > of adoption. Fortunately for him, his mother did have a copy of the original. > > Has anyone ever a problem like this? > > > > Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > Searching for Fahey/Hogan/Keane/Hopkins in Chicago > Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City > Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC

Hi listers, Just want to share this with you. I was at a wake last night and was reacquainted with a late cousin's son. My cousin died in 1972 when his son was two years old. My cousin's wife remarried in 1974. Her new husband wanted to adopt the son but the son didn't want to give up his surname. When the son was 16, he agreed to be adopted by his step father as long as the son could keep his surname. Apparently that is allowed at 16 (New York State). Fast forward to this year. The son wants to apply for Irish citizenship (his paternal grandparents were both born in Ireland) and tried to get a copy of his original birth certificate. He couldn't. It was expunged at the time of adoption. Fortunately for him, his mother did have a copy of the original. Has anyone ever a problem like this? Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Searching for Fahey/Hogan/Keane/Hopkins in Chicago Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC

I have transcribed and put on my website the Ireland Civil Registration Birth index for 1877 for these four surnames and all the surname variants of the name. Go the the URL below my name, and under Surnames, click on your name of interest. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

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I'm looking for kin descended from Patrick and Ann [Annie, nee McGovern] BOYLE in NYC in the second half of 19th Century. Patrick would have been born in 1841 in Ireland, give or take a year, and came to NYC with his mother, Bridget in 1853. Annie was born, also in Ireland, either in 1843 or 1847 depending on whether she was telling the 1870 or the 1880 Census taker her true age. They lived on the lower West Side of Manhattan. Their children: Edward, 15, [1865]; Kate, 14, [1866]; Ella, 12, [1868]; Annie, 9, [1871]; Joseph, 7, [1873]; Mary, 5, [1875] and my grandmother; and Maggie, 2 [1878]. Ella married George COLGAN circa 1890, settled in Brooklyn and had three children. Annie married Frank DOWLING, settled in the Chelsea section of Manhattan and had kids but I know zip about them. Any BOYLEs out there descended from Edward, Kate, Annie/Frank DOWLING, Joseph, Maggie or Ella/George COLGAN? If so, would like to hear from you. George Alexander

May 30, 1890 San Francisco Examiner SULLIVAN, in this city, May 27, beloved husband of Catherine Sullivan and brother of Patrick and Daniel Sullivan, Mrs. Ellen Mahoney, Mrs. Mary Mellon of Oakland, a native of the Parish of Drimoleague, County, Cork, Ireland, aged 51 years 3 months, and 12 days. ...St. Paul's Church, interment Mount Calvary Cemetery, residence 24th and Castro Sts. ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

I have transcribed the following Tithe Aplotments: Kiltinan Civil Parish, County Tipperary, 1828 Kiltegan Civil Parish, County Tipperary, 1834 Kilteely Civil Parish, County Limerick, 1826 They are on my website, URL below my name. There are links to them on the county webpages. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Mary - I just had a look at the 1930 census in US and there are 3 listed. All were living at Middlesex MA. None of the 3 were born in 1909. If you want more details then email direct and I will see what else I can find. Megan (shaughnessy) McKenzie >

SNIPPET: NY's Castle Garden welcomed some eight million immigrants between 1855-1890, six million of whom were German or Irish. If you believe your ancestors came through Ellis Island before 1892, chances are they actually came through Castle Gardens. During the 1880s, almost 70% of all immigrants to America were received at Castle Gardens. Passenger arrival indexes do not exist for these years. To find the ship manifests, you will need to know the approximate date of arrival, per article in "Family Chronicle" magazine Jan-Feb 2000. Microfilms of the manifests (Customs Passengers Lists) are available through the National Archives and the Church of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) Family History Library. Walt WHITMAN, born on Long Island in 1819, considered one of the most important chroniclers of life in America (and NY, in particular) penned these famous lines: "I hear America singing, the varied carols I hear/Those of mechanics, each one singing his as it should be blithe and strong/The carpenter singing his as he measures his lank or beam/The mason singing what belongs to him in his boat, the deckhand singing on the steamboat deck/The shoemaker singing as he sits on his bench, the hatter singing as he stands/The wood-cutter's song, the ploughboy's on his way in the morning, or at noon intermission or at sundown/The delicious singing of the mother, or of the young wife at work, or of the girl sewing or washing/Each singing what belongs to him or her and to none else/The day what belongs to the day - at night the party of young fellows, robust, friendly/Singing with open mouths their strong melodius songs." The story of Castle Garden is the story of a site's constant transformation to serve NY's needs. At the lower tip of Manhattan there was once an island that was eventually joined to the mainland by landfill Between 1807 and 1811 a circular fort was built there by the federal government in preparation for the coming war with England. This became known as the Southwest Battery. It was renamed Castle Clinton in 1815 after DeWitt CLINTON, the first governor of NY, whose grandfather, Charles CLINTON, an immigrant from Co. Longford, had emerged as a prosperous merchant. (It is noted that not all Irish in colonial America arrived as penniless servants and stayed that way - some became notable merchants and entrepreneurs, and in one particular area where Irishmen achieved prominence was in journalism, establishing leading newspapers). Dubbed Castle Garden because of the new flower and shrubs that graced the grounds, the fort was repurposed into a place for entertainment, including concerts and fireworks. In 1839, entrepreneurs, Philip FRENCH and Christopher HEISER, leased the site to make Castle Garden into a grand, large-scale entertainment center. They installed a stage and new floor in a room that would now hold 6,000 seats arranged in a huge semi-circle. Under their management, Castle Garden became a renowned amusement hall and opera house. It was here that Swedish songress Jenny LIND made her American debut in 1850. But when the lease expired in 1854, it opened the door for Castle Garden to take on yet another purpose. While New Yorkers were coming to Castle Garden to see light operas and ballets, etc., the Commissioners of Emigration were faced with the growing challenge of handling thousands of immigrants each week at NY Harbor. With no time to erect a new building, they leased Castle Garden - much to the horror of the local residents. On 1 August 1855, it opened its doors as America's first receiving station for immigrants. Refreshment rooms were replaced by bathrooms, the seats replaced by long wooden benches so immigrants could find the desks marked Registry, General Information, Exchange Office and Railroad Department. The stage was gone; now an iron staircase led to the Office of Commissioners of Emigration, General Agent and Superintendent. Compared to earlier immigrants arriving in NY, those who were received at Castle Garden had a more pleasant experience. Due to an enclosure, immigrants now had some protective from unsavory characters laying in wait. Said a "New York Times! " article in 1874, "Castle Garden is so well known in Europe that few emigrants can be induced to sail for any other destination. Their friends in this country write to those who are intending to emigrate to come to Castle Garden where they will be safe, and, if out of mony, they can remain until it is sent to them. Complaints are frequently received by the commissioners from emigrants who have been landing at Halifax or Boston though they were promised to be brought to New York.". New federal legislation passed in 1855 helped immigrants on board ships. There were now new rules governing how much space a passenger was allowed, the proportion of passengers to tonnage, degree of cleanliness, ventilation, and food and cooking provisions. Each ship was now required to supply a complete manifest of passengers to the local customs officials, eventually making its way to the federal government. Coming to America was still difficult, however. Old sailing ships were still in use which made it virtually impossible to calculate the number of weeks it would take tto make a crossing. Passengers complained of conditions and deaths were not unheard of. As well, the Commissioners of Emigration had fallen deeply into debt as a result of an 1875 Supreme Court decision, declaring a NY law that required ships to post a bond or else pay a tax on each immigrant unconstitutional. Diszster struck in 1876 when fire broke out in Castle Garden. Only the old fort walls and a few outer buldings remained. Reconstruction began two months later, despite critics who wanted the site to revert back to its foromer elegance as a park. In a few months, ships were welcomed again. A massive wave of immigration began in the 1880s. In 1881, more that 455,000 people passed through Castle Garden. From 1880 through 1890, nearly four million immigrants came to NY. Castle Garden was functioning well beyond its capacity and complaints were numerous. Combined with similar difficulties encountered at other ports of entry, the Secretary of Treasury recommended that the federal government take over all immigration. The government's contract with NY's Commissioners of Emmigration was terminated on 18 April 1890. On that day, the last immigrants from the steamers "Bohemia" and "State of Indiana" were processed at Castle Garden. The center closed its doors. The immigra! tion center moved to Ellis Island, already owned by the government, which began its new role in 1892. From 1896 to 1941 Castle Garden served the public by housing the New York City aquarium, which later moved to Coney Island. After the Second World War the park was remodeled; and Castle Clinton became a national monument in 1950. The park is also home to a statue of Giovanni da VERRAZANO, the first Europeaon to enter New York Harbour.

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SNIPPET: Readers shared their thoughts on Ireland in the May-June 1998 issue of "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine published in Dublin. Will COOPER, Dorris, CA, wrote: "So much to write, I hardly know where to begin... I've just returned home from my first trip to Ireland. I spent three weeks travelling with a former teaching colleague and West Cork native of Ballydehob. We took leisurely drives around the country starting and ending in Cork City. We had numerous pleasant opportunities to ivsit in people's homes. I arrived, especially interested in the political history of the Easter Rising, Michael COLLINS, the struggle for independence and the Civil War. I had already read several books and essays on the subject including your moving article by Mary O'SULLIVAN: 'Memories of Michael Collins.' In Clonakilty, we hired a local historian and drove to Sam's Cross and Woodfield. He also took us to see Tom BARRY's 'work' at Kilmichael and, near dusk, for a long, somber pause at Beal na Blath. We later talked with a Skibbereen man whose father, an 'irregular,' had died still limping from a wound received! at the hands of the Free State Army in 1923. He wasn't ready yet to totally forgive COLLINS for, 'betraying us,' as he put it, but he had gone to the 75-year memorial observance at Beal na Blath in August. He couldn't even explain why, other than it being 'time to move on.' We also saw lovely towns and villages, beautiful coastal scenery and fascinating historical sites. From Cobh to Dunquin, from the Ceide Fields to Navan Fort, from Newgrange to Glendalough and Cashel and countless other places, five thousand years of history lay out in every direction. Dublin, Oh the fair city. Nowhere I've ever been does a fascinating past and a thrivng present seem so bound together." Edward J. HERTERICH, San Marcos, CA, shared: "Nov-Dec 1997 - as always a premier edition. Christopher MORIARTY's descriptions are fascinating. The ease of reading is an additional asset . To me it seems that it would go far in promoting tourism in Ireland .... Please consider more 'cooking' articles. Our taste buds have been enhanced with the many recipes that have been printed in the past. Now to what actually triggered this letter. The addition of the map to the contents page is a great primer for the varied text included . Looking forward to another great year of reading . It does much for the review of the past and updates the present." Dr. Mike FENNESSY, Tamarisk, Waresfoot Drive, Crediton, Devon, England wrote: "I have been a subscriber to your excellent magazine for about twenty years and look forward to each issue.". (Note - He and Richard J. FENNESSY, Wildwood Crest, NJ, were writing to announce an upcoming FENNESSY Family Reunion and History Meeting which was to take place in Clonmel, Co. Tipperary, August 1998. Per these gentleman, all FENNESSYs and those with variations in the spelling of the name were invited to attend. Researchers might want to check the Internet for news regarding planned future reunions, publications, etc.). John M. 'Jack' Lynch, New Orleans, LA, wrote: "My family names include LYNCH, QUINN, HORAN, FEENEY, and FEEHELY, the last three out of Co. Leitrim. My interest in the Ireland of my ancestors is high, though hope to see something on Co. Leitrim in the future. I was remiss in my younger days, when I was stationed with the USAF in Germany between 1950 and 1972. I was fortunate to have my wife give us a tour of Ireland with CIE Tours a few years ago. My first guided tour and it was fabulous. I read the 'Irish Times' on its web site and try to keep up with what is happening. Interesting to note some Irish problems and complaints, e.g., education, and Dublin vehicle traffic, are no different than ours here in the New Orleans area. It is indeed a small world! Also found a web site that I recommend, if nothing else for its educational value about the history of the island and the people: www.ireland.org. I believe it is correct to say 'Thank you' for your publication." John CUSACK, North Rocks, NSW, Australia penned: "Patricia Coughlan CRIMMINS' article 'Going Home to Ireland' in the Jan-Feb 1998 issue stirred my emotions as I read the account of her visit 'home' in 1994 and discovered the house, parish and countryside from which my great grandfather left as a boy aged eleven. Like Patricia, neither my father or grandfather had visited Ireland, giving me a real sense of stewardship to return to our origins. As I stood by the stone wall, looking down the dirt lane, outside the old family cottage, I tried to imagine the circumstances of an eleven year old boy, heading off into the unknown, bound for Australia with his 18 year old brother, 145 years ago. My spine tingled as I almost felt transported in time. I photographed that quiet country lane in the Autum of 1994, and of all the wonderful scenes I have of Ireland, it remains my most treasured."

Hi Maureen, Thank you so much for your help. Yes, this is my gggrandfather and he was married to Rebecca Watson and the Watson listed in their household we always thought to be Rebecca's mother. George was also married (his first wife) to Sarah Crane and the Wilbur McCarron listed in his family is from that marriage. His second wife was Miranda Mosley. I sure wish I could find out where in Pa. he was born and who his parents were but a genealogist never gives up, right? Again thank you and if you find anything more I would appreciate it. I have his family down to myself but George is my "brick wall". Marge McCarron DeGear

Hi Iooked George up in the 1850 census and I found one in Ohio that says born in Pennsylvania 1975. Name: George Mccarron Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: 1795 Birth Place: Pennsylvania Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Clay, Tuscarawas, Ohio Page: 138 Roll: M432_734 The household is enurmerated as follows: George age 54 Rebecca 42 Laura A. 13 looks like Wilber F. 9 and Sarah Watson 73 what's interesting is the next door neighbor's have children named both Sarah and Watson so perhaps there is a relationship there and there is a Watson family enumerated as their neighbor. in 1810 I located the following McCarron's in Pennsylvania _Wm Mccarron_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1810usfedcenancestry,&gsfn=&gsln=McCarron&sx=&year=1780&yearend=1850&gskw=&gsco=2,United+S tates&gspl=41,Pennsylvania&prox=&rank=0&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs&submit.x=30&subm it.y=7&indiv=1&fh=0) Hempfield, Lancaster, PA 1810 (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=view&r=0&dbid=7613&iid=PAM252_50-0152) _Charles Mccarron_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1810usfedcenancestry,&gsfn=&gsln=McCarron&sx=&year=1780&yearend=1850&gskw=&gsco=2,United+ States&gspl=41,Pennsylvania&prox=&rank=0&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs&submit.x=30&sub mit.y=7&indiv=1&fh=1) East Southwark, Philadelphia, PA 1810 (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=view&r=0&dbid=7613&iid=PAM252_56-0092) _Darby Mccarron_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1810usfedcenancestry,&gsfn=&gsln=McCarron&sx=&year=1780&yearend=1850&gskw=&gsco=2,United+St ates&gspl=41,Pennsylvania&prox=&rank=0&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs&submit.x=30&submi t.y=7&indiv=1&fh=2) Moyamensing, Philadelphia, PA 1810 Let me know if this is any help. I am not related to this family. Maureen