I just saw Tm O'Conner make a very good ride in an equestrian event of the 2004 Olympics. From Ireland of course!!!

Rick, You're absolutely correct. I am familiar with Western European and some Eastern Oriental (China and Japan) cultures, and that is how they also count the generations. If your parents came from Ireland, then you would be first generation American, your children would be second generation, and so on. That's how it goes. Sharen Conley ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Shea To: IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:35 AM Subject: [Irish-American] Generations I apparently missed, didn't comprehend or whatever the reason for the question. Is it to determine a specific generation of a particular family or a specific generation American. I would think it would depend on the family or ethenic group you are talking about. Based on what Pat said most of my Irish ancestors came over and were my great-grandparents and that would make me 3rd generation Shea or Walsh, etc. In the case of Cavanaugh I would be 4th generation because my Cavanaugh Great-great-grandparents came from Ireland. I would supposed this would make me 4th generatio Irish-American. If I follow my Mother side of the family most came over in the mid to early 1600s and were my 9th great-grandparents so I would believe that would make me 7rh generation Flanders, Wilson, etc. or 7th generation Dutch-American, Welsh-American, etc. Is my theory off or did I miss the whole point. Rick Shea ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc.

I apparently missed, didn't comprehend or whatever the reason for the question. Is it to determine a specific generation of a particular family or a specific generation American. I would think it would depend on the family or ethenic group you are talking about. Based on what Pat said most of my Irish ancestors came over and were my great-grandparents and that would make me 3rd generation Shea or Walsh, etc. In the case of Cavanaugh I would be 4th generation because my Cavanaugh Great-great-grandparents came from Ireland. I would supposed this would make me 4th generatio Irish-American. If I follow my Mother side of the family most came over in the mid to early 1600s and were my 9th great-grandparents so I would believe that would make me 7rh generation Flanders, Wilson, etc. or 7th generation Dutch-American, Welsh-American, etc. Is my theory off or did I miss the whole point. Rick Shea

There's an area in Syracuse, NY known as Tipperary Hill sometimes known as Tipp Hill where there were many emigrants from Co. Tipperary (of course). When the Erie Canal was built in the 1820s, Syracuse was just about in the middle of its construction. The labourers were primarily Irish and after the Canal was completed, many remained in the area and settled on a hill to the west of Syracuse which became Tipperary Hill. When the City of Syracuse first started installing street lights they put one at an intersection in Tipperary Hill at the corner of Tompkins St. and Milton Avenue. The local Irish were incensed that anyone would put the British red above the green and smashed the light which was replaced by the City. This went on for a few rounds with the City finally deferring to the Irish wishes and they installed the traffic light with the green above the red. The Irish built a small park, the Tipperary Hill Memorial Park and erected a statue as a memorial to those who fought City Hall and won. The park and memorial are still there as is the street light. St. Patrick's Church is the neighbourhood church. Coleman's Irish pub (I found it by driving towards the tri-colour which is visible for several blocks)and the Rock of Cashel gift shop are also in the area. A major restoration of the brick sidewalks and historic street lights started several years ago. Many, many descendents of the original emigrants are still in the area. Eilis O'Hara ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

Here's a capsule description of the book from a local Albany (Troy area) bookseller not on that website: http://www.bhny.com/nystate/ny063.html Eilis O'Hara --- ConnorsGenealogy <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > Anyone who has been on this list more than a couple > of weeks, is aware > of my emphasis on Troy genealogical research. The > Troy section of my > website includes both the 1880 and 1900 Troy > census, most of the Irish > born naturalization records that exist, which is > still an ongoing > project of mine and a must for any Troy researcher. > If you are > interested in this book, there has been a link for > the book to Amazon on > my website for quite a while and on many pages, > including: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/troy/1900-3rdward.html > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup > Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, > etc. > > ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

There's a book called Images of America, Troy written by Don Rittner that's 128 pages of just pictures of the City. It includes: Cityscapes, Landmarks and Views of Troy Troy's Industries and Merchants Transportation and Movement Institutions: Charitable, Educational, Religious and Civic People and Events Recreation and Leisure Disasters The book also has a map of downtown Troy from 1858 which was before the great fire of 1862 which the book says burned most of the downtown business district. There's not much street detail on the map however, just images of structures. Some really great pictures. Troy was a major location for thousands of Irish emigrants with many from Co. Tipperary and most of the other Irish counties represented too. Eilis O'Hara ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html

The Italian Genealogy Group is currently working on the adding the following databases to their website : ...Brooklyn Brides Index 1868-1937 Over a quarter of million names. ...Death index all boros from 1912-1919. This will be added to the already available death indices from 1891-1911. ...NARA Eastern District naturalization up to 1926 covering Brooklyn, Queens, Long Island etc. Their site is free and volunteers work on the transcribing. They can use some help. Their website is at: http://www.italiangen.org/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Anyone who has been on this list more than a couple of weeks, is aware of my emphasis on Troy genealogical research. The Troy section of my website includes both the 1880 and 1900 Troy census, most of the Irish born naturalization records that exist, which is still an ongoing project of mine and a must for any Troy researcher. If you are interested in this book, there has been a link for the book to Amazon on my website for quite a while and on many pages, including: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/troy/1900-3rdward.html -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Hi. The Godfrey Memorial Library has been mentioned a number of times on this list. If you want to learn more about the Library itself, you are welcome to send me your contact information. The next issue of our FREE Godfrey Quarterly newsletter (20+ pages) will be mailed just after Labor Day. It has articles about our new acquisitions; how-to articles; ideas for online searching etc. If you are going to the FGS Conference in Austin stop by and say hi at our booth. Tom Thomas Jay Kemp Director Godfrey Memorial Library 134 Newfield Street Middletown, CT 06457-2534 Phone: 860-346-4375 Fax: 860-347-9874 Email: TKemp@Godfrey.org Web site: http://www.Godfrey.org

1830 Barrett, John NYC co. 373 NYC 6th ward NY Fed.census index NY558100730 1830 Barrett, John NYC co. 114 NYC 7th ward NY Fed.census index NY558100737 1830 Barrett, John NYC co. 031 NYC 1st ward NY Fed.census index NY558100738 1840 Barrett, John NYC co. 343 NYC 8th ward Fed.census index NYS4a142978 1840 Barrett, John Westchester co. co. 250 Bedford Fed.census index NYS4a143003 1840 Barrett, John NYC co. 177 NYC 12th ward Fed.census index NYS4a143024 1840 Barrett, John NYC co. 178 NYC 12th ward Fed.census index NYS4a143025 1840 Barrett, John NYC co. 205 NYC 4th ward Fed.census index NYS4a143026 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. o68 NYC 7th ward Fed.census index NYS4a151585 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. 259 NYC 2nd ward Fed.census index NYS4a151586 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. 155 NYC 19th ward Fed.census index NYS4a151587 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. 236 NYC 10th ward Fed.census index NYS4a151588 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. 047 NYC 14th ward Fed.census index NYS4a151589 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. 076 NYC 16th ward Fed.census index NYS4a151590 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. 237 NYC 7th ward Fed.census index NYS4a151591 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. 196 NYC 7th ward Fed.census index NYS4a151592 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. 194 NYC 10th ward Fed.census index NYS4a151593 1850 Barrett, John NYC co. 025 NYC 7th ward Fed.census index NYS4a151594 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 092 NYC 7th ward NYC dist. 2 NY Fed.census index NY58510245 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 159 NYC 6th ward NYC dist. 4 NY Fed.census index NY58510246 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 170 NYC 16th ward NYC dist.4 NY Fed.census index NY58510247 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 209 NYC 6th ward NYC dist.4 NY Fed.census index NY58510248 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 320 NYC 5th ward NYC dist.1 NY Fed.census index NY58510249 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 418 NYC 18th ward NYC dist.6 NY Fed.census index NY58510250 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 427 NYC 17th ward NYC dist.7 NY Fed.census index NY58510251 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 454 NYC 4th ward NYC div. 2 NY Fed.census index NY58510252 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 485 NYC 17th ward NYC div. 2 NY Fed.census index NY58510253 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 522 NYC 20th ward NYC dist.4 NY Fed.census index NY58510254 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 526 NYC 4th ward NYC div. 2 NY Fed.census index NY58510255 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 552 NYC 15th ward NYC dist.1 NY Fed.census index NY58510256 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 554 NYC 22nd ward NYC dist.2 NY Fed.census index NY58510257 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 783 NYC 12th ward NYC dist.1 NY Fed.census index NY58510258 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 801 NYC 4th ward NYC div. 3 NY Fed.census index NY58510259 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 811 NYC 17th ward NYC dist.8 NY Fed.census index NY58510260 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 847 NYC 4th ward NYC div. 3 NY Fed.census index NY58510261 1860 Barrett, John NYC co. 1021 NYC 18th ward NYC dist.3 NY Fed.census index NY58510262

1/19/1920 NYC Barrett: James 35yrs immigrated 1903 Pa POB Ire driver Milk Co. Nellie 33 immigrated 1900 al Ire Nellie 12 NYC Margaret 8 NYC James 5 11/12 NYC John 4 1/12 NYC Retia[?] 1 4/12 NYC

6/8/1880 Kings co, Bklyn census McNally: Frank 38yrs laborer POB Ire Sarah 37 Ire Frank 4 NYC Wm. 11/12 NYC

I have transcribed the tithe applotments for the civil parishes of Kilmucklin and Kilmurry and have them up on the County Tipperary section of my website. Both parishes are located in the South Ridings part of County Tipperary, my area of research. The film I have currently also has two Kilmore parishes (one in the Killaloe diocese and the other in Cashel's diocese) which I hope to get transcribed soon. You can find them by going to the URL below my name, on my homepage, under Ireland, click on County Tipperary. The links are located under Land Records. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

I've just learned the dates for an upcoming event in Emly, County Tipperary, and wanted to pass the information along to anyone who might be interested in attending. I don't have more information than this, but information will be posted on the Emly website <http://www.emly.ie/> EMLY FAILTE WEEK 2005. The date for Failte Week 2005 is the week of Friday July 29th to Friday August 5th. As in 1995 and 2000 the Failte Week is an invitation to everybody with an Emly background from all over the world to come and join together.

This is the way I have always understood it. Dan Hogan On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, at 07:07 AM, ConnorsGenealogy wrote: >> >> >> My great grandparents were the immigrants. Does this make me the >> third or the fourth generation? >> > My take on this is where one is born. The first generation would be > the group first born in this county. So, if your great grandparents > were born outside the US, your grandparents would be considered 1st > generation because they were the first generation born here. Your > parent would be 2nd generation and you would be 3rd generation. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

> > >My great grandparents were the immigrants. Does this make me the third or the fourth generation? > My take on this is where one is born. The first generation would be the group first born in this county. So, if your great grandparents were born outside the US, your grandparents would be considered 1st generation because they were the first generation born here. Your parent would be 2nd generation and you would be 3rd generation. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

My thought is it depends on whether or not your grandparents were naturalized-became US citizens. If not, your generation would be first generation Americans because you were born here. Winnie in Vt.

----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia McDonald To: Y-IRL@yahoogroups.com ; Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Book- THE LATE BISHOP OF OSSORY Maybe some of these names are familiar to you. This book is a MEMOIR of the Right Reverand, James Thomas O'Brien, DD, with a summary of his writings and notice of his fellow townsmen and the town of NEW ROSS ( Co. Wexford) There are several pages written about each of these men : THE REVERAND BARTHOLOMEW LLOYD,DD; son of Humphrey Lloyd, born in New Ross 1706 ( information on several generations ) REV. GEORGE WHITMORE CARR, born in NEW ROSS in 1779, eldest son of Rev. Edward Carr.Several pages on family. JAMES WARREN DOYLE BORN 1786 at Irishtomn. He was a Roman Catholic. ROBERT SAMUEL GRAVES , born in New Ross 1818, married Miss Houghton of Carlow and had several children. He died in his 55th year. There is a list of the members of Parliament from 1613 to 1874; lists of sovereigns from 1658 to 1841, list of school masters. If anyone wants more information from book, I will try to send it. Patricia CARR McDonald pmcdonald@apptechnc.net

Are the immigrants the first generation americans and their children the second or are the children of the immigrants the first generation americans. My great grandparents were the immigrants. Does this make me the third or the fourth generation? Philip O'Brien

In a message dated 8/23/2004 2:00:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, ARsuncitygal@aol.com writes: > Margaret Catherine Stack came over in 1898 at the age of 18 (maybe). > Every > census year she got younger. > HaHaHa.. A gal after my own heart...I know thats how *my* census would read too...<big grin>