I always bring a camera. I take photos of the gravestones and put them in my appropriate family files. The photos have later come in handy many times. Maureen

How about a camera. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lejax99@aol.com> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:39 PM Subject: [Irish-American] going to family cemetery > HI listers. > I am excited to be traveling to PA this weekend to visit the cemetery that > so > many of my relatives are resting. A few months ago I vaguely remember > reading > an email about suggestions on things to bring with you when visiting > plots. > Does anyone have suggestions for me? > > thanks so much > Leigh > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > >

Hi, I agree with Anna Marie, I have used RAOGK often in other states. They are enthused and usually go above and beyond what you expect. And when you are done you feel like you have made a new genealogist friend. And Having AnnaMarie do some lookups for me I can say she goes over above and beyond. Beth Beth Orsi researching O'Connor, Morrison, Mellon, Yoquelet, Sordelet, Jordan, Jennings, Mccarthy, Dupuis, Rice, Powers, Jenkyns all e-mail scanned by Norton

I do a great deal of look ups for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness. Most important is to check with the office for a location, especially if the cemetery is large. I have found markers with out any assistance. I have found markers with assistance. And with assistance and the assurance that it is there, have been unable to find anything. Bring water to drink, for washing the marker, for holding a small flower I also bring. Here in FL, I always have bug spray, the mosquitos were really bad last weekend, but I was successful. Found her marker with no help, his does not exist, so I feel I'm hitting 100%. What is getting so frustrating is that now large corporations are buying cememteries and the records are all together in some distant place, so while there may be someone in an office, they have nothing to look at. They make a call and are given a location and they pick up a map and point. Not too helpful. We've driven several hundred miles to look at a cememtery. Had no idea where we were going or what we would find and it was a weekend, so no one was available. Study the layout, Find the oldest section and work til you can find a section of the approximate dates. The cemetery we were looking at had a very distinct Jewish section, a very distinct very old section and a much newer section and a military area. We spent about an hour but suddenly found the whole family! Ask people who are also visiting. If they come often, they may be familiar with the surrounding names. We found a grandmother that way. We were a block off, but while they were looking they had seen the name and remembered it. Offer to help them look for their relatives also! After you have visited, check out the local library, maybe they have films of old newpapers or a wonderful genealogy section with a history of the town. We found a terrific book that we were able to purchase. Found that an ancestor had bought the new windows for the burnt out church that were subsequently sold to a local family and are still in the house. I want our windows back!!! I get immense joy from being able to send someone an obit of a relative they never knew, a picture of their marker or even an old house. Check RAOGK before you go and see if anyone is in the area where you are going. We are a great group of very helpful people! And someday, someone in Irleand is going to find my family!!!! AnneMarie

HI listers. I am excited to be traveling to PA this weekend to visit the cemetery that so many of my relatives are resting. A few months ago I vaguely remember reading an email about suggestions on things to bring with you when visiting plots. Does anyone have suggestions for me? thanks so much Leigh

I recently went in search of my grandmother....oh boy what a day. My suggestions are these: a foam kneeling pad like you use for gardening because you will be. Your gardening tools as well. A plot map of the cemetery. Ask the office to include the names in the plots next to , below and above for reference in case the markers you are looking for are missing or unreadable. Your camera, an umbrella, a cooler with water and even lunch maybe. Your favorite prayer so you can implore God or any one else that may be listening to help you find your loved ones and a sense of humor. It will be a personality challenge. Good luck. By the way I went on labor day, the office was closed, I had no plot map and never found either grave I was looking for. It started raining, turned cold and dark and I will be much better prepared when I return which I will do just on principle!!!!! Darlene A wisk broom would be helpfull too

Boy did someone hit the nail on the head!! This is definitely my family. Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Hogan" <dhogan@porterville.k12.ca.us> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 15 September 2004 11:23 AM Subject: [Irish-American] Fwd: Ancestors guide to naming From another list, definitely applies to Irish gen. Dan Hogan Begin forwarded message: > > > ANCESTORS GUIDE TO NAMING > > 1) Thou shalt name your male children: James, John, > Joseph, Abel, Richard, Thomas or William. > > 2) Thou shalt name your female children: Elizabeth, > Mary, Martha, Maria, Sarah, Ida, Virginia or Mae. > > 3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female children. > > 4) Even after naming your children using the above > lists, thou shalt never refer to them by those names > again; instead, thou shalt call them by strange > nicknames, such as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly, and Sukey. > > 5) Thou shalt not use any middle names on ANY legal > documents or census reports and whenever possible, use only initials > on legal documents. > > 6) Thou shalt learn to sign all documents illegibly so > that your surname can be spelled, or misspelled in > various ways: Tipper, Topper, Hopper, Tucker, Tapper. > > 7) Thou shalt, after no more than 3 generation, make > sure that all family records are lost, misplaced, > burned in a court house fire, lost at sea or buried so > that NO future trace of them can be found. > > 8) Thou shalt propagate misleading legends, rumors and > vague innuendo regarding your place of origin: > a) You MAY have come from England, Ireland, > Scotland, Wales ... or Iran. > b) You MAY have American Indian Ancestry. > c) You MAY be descended from one of three brothers > that came over. > > 9) Thou shalt leave no cemetery records, or headstones with legible > names; nor will any of the dates thereon match those in any public > records. > > 10) Thou shalt leave no family bible with records of > birth, marriage or death. > > 11) Thou shalt ALWAYS flip thy name around. If born > James Albert, thou must make the rest of thy records > in the name of Albert, AJ, JA, AL, Bert, Bart or Fred. > > 12) Thou must also flip thy parent's names around when > making reference to them, although "Unknown" is an > acceptable alternative. > > 13) Thou shalt name all generations of children with > the identical first names, as will all of your > brothers so that all cousins are named the same. > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc.

From another list, definitely applies to Irish gen. Dan Hogan Begin forwarded message: > > > ANCESTORS GUIDE TO NAMING > > 1) Thou shalt name your male children: James, John, > Joseph, Abel, Richard, Thomas or William. > > 2) Thou shalt name your female children: Elizabeth, > Mary, Martha, Maria, Sarah, Ida, Virginia or Mae. > > 3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female children. > > 4) Even after naming your children using the above > lists, thou shalt never refer to them by those names > again; instead, thou shalt call them by strange > nicknames, such as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly, and Sukey. > > 5) Thou shalt not use any middle names on ANY legal > documents or census reports and whenever possible, use only initials > on legal documents. > > 6) Thou shalt learn to sign all documents illegibly so > that your surname can be spelled, or misspelled in > various ways: Tipper, Topper, Hopper, Tucker, Tapper. > > 7) Thou shalt, after no more than 3 generation, make > sure that all family records are lost, misplaced, > burned in a court house fire, lost at sea or buried so > that NO future trace of them can be found. > > 8) Thou shalt propagate misleading legends, rumors and > vague innuendo regarding your place of origin: > a) You MAY have come from England, Ireland, > Scotland, Wales ... or Iran. > b) You MAY have American Indian Ancestry. > c) You MAY be descended from one of three brothers > that came over. > > 9) Thou shalt leave no cemetery records, or headstones with legible > names; nor will any of the dates thereon match those in any public > records. > > 10) Thou shalt leave no family bible with records of > birth, marriage or death. > > 11) Thou shalt ALWAYS flip thy name around. If born > James Albert, thou must make the rest of thy records > in the name of Albert, AJ, JA, AL, Bert, Bart or Fred. > > 12) Thou must also flip thy parent's names around when > making reference to them, although "Unknown" is an > acceptable alternative. > > 13) Thou shalt name all generations of children with > the identical first names, as will all of your > brothers so that all cousins are named the same. > >

Hi Dorothy, I am so glad that website helped you. I love to find things like that. It is now on my favorites list. I had another interesting one with old medical terms but it is on my old computer and I haven't figured out how to transfer the whole favorites list to the new one. I am still getting used to the new computer and a transfer from years of using Windows 98 to the new Windows XP. I had never heard my great grandfather's occupation called a "snob" before. In all the Philadelphia City Directories in which I have found him listed he is either a shoemaker, or repairs shoes, or a dealer in shoes. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Yereance" <dorothy8@optonline.net> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] Old Occupations > Hi Elaine, > I was delighted to read your message about old occupations. On my > grandfather's marriage certificate (from Warrenpoint, NI) it lists his > father as a pigman. I had found him later listesd in the Newburgh, NY city > directory as owning a crockery shop. I wasn't sure if this was the same > family, now I know. Thank you. > Dorothy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine" <elaine@cyberhouse.org> > To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:25 PM > Subject: [Irish-American] Old Occupations > > > > Listers, > > Here is an interesting website that I just found. It is long so you will > probably need to copy and paste the URL. > > > > I just learned that a "snob" is a person who repairs shoes and all this > time I thought it was a snooty rich person <G>. > > I didn't know that my poor Irish gr grandfather was a snob!!! Some of > these are familiar but others are very different from > > what you would think. Example: Pigman - No, it is not a hog farmer. > It is a person who deals with crockery, now what does that > > have to do with pigs!!! > > > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~msharp/occupations.htm?rc=locale%7e&us=0&o_xid=0022468880&o_lid=0022468880&o_xt=22478094 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All incoming and outgoing messages scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software. > > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > > >

> > >Here is an interesting website that I just found. It is long so you will probably need to copy and paste the URL. > Enjoyed the site, here is a shorter version of the URL: http://sharp.rootsweb.com/occupations.htm -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton

Hi Elaine, I was delighted to read your message about old occupations. On my grandfather's marriage certificate (from Warrenpoint, NI) it lists his father as a pigman. I had found him later listesd in the Newburgh, NY city directory as owning a crockery shop. I wasn't sure if this was the same family, now I know. Thank you. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine" <elaine@cyberhouse.org> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: [Irish-American] Old Occupations > Listers, > Here is an interesting website that I just found. It is long so you will probably need to copy and paste the URL. > > I just learned that a "snob" is a person who repairs shoes and all this time I thought it was a snooty rich person <G>. > I didn't know that my poor Irish gr grandfather was a snob!!! Some of these are familiar but others are very different from > what you would think. Example: Pigman - No, it is not a hog farmer. It is a person who deals with crockery, now what does that > have to do with pigs!!! > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~msharp/occupations.htm?rc=locale%7e&us=0&o_xid=0022468880&o_lid=0022468880&o_xt=22478094 > > > > > > > All incoming and outgoing messages scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software. > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. >

In a message dated 09/13/2004 4:38:20 PM Central Daylight Time, labaths@worldnet.att.net writes: http://www.iowagravestones.org/ Kathy, What a fantastic website. Thank you for sharing it with us. Maureen N

I am relatively new to genealogy and still consider myself very much a senior-newbie. My Family Tree Maker home page basically has only my grandfather and his son and daughter (my mother). Still working on the Boyle research but I think this family is from somewhere near Enniskillen in Co. Fermanagh. Home page has only a couple of hundred names but, in case anyone may be interested it is:- http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/f/r/e/Robert-French-Mississauga Roy French Mississauga - Canada

Thanks Pat for all that information. Much appreciated. Mari ----- Original Message ----- From: "ConnorsGenealogy" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] Tipperary North Heritage Centre Reopening >> Can you tell me if Emly Moanmore Tipperary would be under the North or >> South Heritage Center jurisdiction? > > > Here is the website for the Tipperary North Family History Research Centre > http://www.irish-roots.net/NTipp.htm > > Here is the website for the Tipperary Family History Research Centre > http://www.tfhr.org/ > > Emly and Moanmore are in the South Riding of Co. Tipperary. If in doubt, > check: > http://www.seanruad.com > > After reading both research centres websites, I think you will come to the > conclusion that TFHR located in Tipperary Town, not far from Emly, is > probably the answer to your question. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > >

Re: pigman "Pigman - No, it is not a hog farmer. It is a person who deals with crockery, now what does that have to do with pigs!!!" Pig iron, the form in which cast iron is made at the blast furnace, being run into molds, called pigs. Pottery may also have been assocaited with similar molds?

New York's Town of Pelham Public Library will sponsor the ninth in its series of twelve monthly local history lectures as part of Pelham's 350th Anniversary celebration this year. The lecture, on "The History of Pelhamwood" will begin at 3:00 p.m. A flyer for the lecture is attached below. Pelhamwood, the lovely neighborhood bounded by the New Haven Line tracks on the south, Harmon Avenue on the west and north and Pelham's boundary with New Rochelle on the east, has one of the most fascinating histories of all the neighborhoods in Pelham. At one time or another, it was: a forest frequented by hunters, a dairy farm, an area dotted with cow pastures, winter hay farmland and an early planned commuter subdivision. The New York, Boston and Westchester Railroad once crossed the neighborhood and the great "Black Swamp" had to be drained before the neighborhood could be developed. Col. Richard Lathers of New Rochelle once owned Pelhamwood. When the tax burden became too great, he sold the land to a group of Pelham residents who planned to develop the land as a luxury home neighborhood with a nearby luxury hotel. When their plans failed the land was sold to a company affiliated with Clifford B. Harmon - one of the nation's earliest aviators and "aeronautic daredevils". The efforts of Clifford B. Harmon Co. to develop the area proceeded very slowly. Some of the advertising gambits and showmanship used by the Company to sell lots in the neighborhood provide a fascinating glimpse of the early development of the Village of Pelham. This presentation will include a very large number of images showing early views of Pelhamwood, as well as the early players in this wonderful drama. This event will be held Sunday, September 19th at 2:00 PM at the Town of Pelham Public Library, 530 COLONIAL AVE PELHAM, NY 10803 .

91,200 (at last count) gravestone photos from Iowa cemeteries http://www.iowagravestones.org/ Cathy Irish in Iowa http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/index.htm

great job Thanl You Margaret Mag1938@aol.com

I was there to in the summer of 2002. Went on the Jeannie Johnston and then to the Irish Memorial. It was very sad and somehow telling, coming from an Irish immigrant family. I, too went to the WTC that day and left a message on the wall. Read many others and had an emotional experience that was quite raw. Judy Christopher ----- Original Message ----- From: "ConnorsGenealogy" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <IRISH-AMERICAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-American] Irish Hunger Memorial/Battery Park NYC - > I was there in summer 2002 and last year. It is very close to the World > Trade Center and the whole area is very emotional. The wall area has > lines of quotes/statistics having to do with the famine which I found > most moving...you need time to read them all. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List ==== > The IRISH-AMERICAN Mailing List Website and Lookup Service > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > Use this to unsub, change your subscription, links, etc. > >

Listers, Here is an interesting website that I just found. It is long so you will probably need to copy and paste the URL. I just learned that a "snob" is a person who repairs shoes and all this time I thought it was a snooty rich person <G>. I didn't know that my poor Irish gr grandfather was a snob!!! Some of these are familiar but others are very different from what you would think. Example: Pigman - No, it is not a hog farmer. It is a person who deals with crockery, now what does that have to do with pigs!!! http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~msharp/occupations.htm?rc=locale%7e&us=0&o_xid=0022468880&o_lid=0022468880&o_xt=22478094 All incoming and outgoing messages scanned by Norton Anti Virus Software.