Now we're (4 adults)planning a trip to West Ireland in September....can anyone recommend a cottage to rent/self catering accommodation that you liked, and that would allow us to tour the Dingle Peninsula and basically cover the South west of Ireland? We've done the B & Bs and that was fine, but now want to "put down roots" a little to continue my search for relatives in Kinvara and Gort plus sightsee! If this is off topic, I'm sorry. Been counting on you all for so much information in the past. Barbara

Proved date would be the date probate was granted. In abstracts, one often sees two dates: the first would be the date the will was written, and the second the date it was proved. Elizabeth

Hi Barbara & Listers -- Hope others will chime in, (as my sister and I stayed in B&Bs and modern and refurbished grand old hotels, didn't rent a place to stay), but check out TripAdvisor website and other websites for reviews, input by travelers on different types of accommodations. Once you find a place that sounds promising, that has been highly recommended (and they have an opening when you contact them regarding availability) my advice is to decide quickly. In a day or two they may be filled up. (This happened to my sister and I.) Nine months in advance is not too soon to begin looking for a highly-recommended accommodation. Note that "4-star" (excellent) B&Bs in Ireland may equate to what would be considered " 3 stars" in the USA. Interesting to note that in many of the places we stayed, while fluffy towels were provided, washcloths were not, so pack a couple! When shopping in some places we found the restrooms ("toilets") required some change, so keep some handy! Also, since product brands were different and fewer choices, we had some problems locating just the right toiletries and "health aids," so keep that in mind. We didn't drive, got around by coaches, local buses, rail, often times taxis, walking and with the kind assistance of Irish e-mail friends who had offered to meet us and spend the day with us. Travel guidebooks, such as Rick Steves (which is updated yearly, unlike some others) gives recommendations for places to eat, see and stay, in all price ranges, including hostels. His website also has much free advice, including on what to see depending on how many days you will be in Ireland. My sister and I used his guidebook as our "bible." Again, any place that comes "highly recommended" fills up fast. Of course, I have heard listers say that they found satisfactory places to stay shortly before flying, and even once in Ireland and just "winging it." We had a glorious month-long visit and much adventure. The people were exceptionally friendly and the food delicious! Anyone going in the July-August should be aware that some places don't have air conditioning and you may want to inquire about a fan for your room. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] New question.... > Now we're (4 adults)planning a trip to West Ireland in September....can > anyone recommend a cottage to rent/self catering accommodation that you > liked, > and that would allow us to tour the Dingle Peninsula and basically cover > the > South west of Ireland? We've done the B & Bs and that was fine, but now > want > to "put down roots" a little to continue my search for relatives in > Kinvara > and Gort plus sightsee! If this is off topic, I'm sorry. Been counting > on you > all for so much information in the past. Barbara

My late mother in law was born and raised at the tip of the Dingle Peninsula and on a trip with one of my sons in 1999, we visited the area. It was awesomely beautiful and I wondered out loud, why she left to go live in New York, never really getting much above the poverty level. I thought she would have faired better in Ireland. I still think she would have been better off and happier if she stayed put. Poverty in that area of Ireland doesn't seem quite the same as poverty in New York (New Rochelle). At least in Ireland she had extended family and land. She had neither in NY. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

What is the "proved date" of a will? Roger Hatton

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I am looking for any descendants or anyone who may have information on John Fitzgerald MURPHY. Probably born in Dublin, Ireland, he had relatives in Newport, RI, particularly my gggrandmother Mary Murphy Sullivan (b. 1844 Dublin, d. February 17, 1924 Newport). I think he was her nephew. Johnny Murphy was often called Fitzgerald Murphy, and was an actor and writer. Two of his plays, The Shamrock and Rose (published 1889) and A Bit O'Blarney (published 1893) can be found in the Library of Congress in Washington. He died at a fairly young age, though I don't know when, of an illness somewhere out west, perhaps in New Mexico, Arizona, or California. He had been married to an actress, and had a daughter named Genevieve. I have access to several pictures of him, and an entry to a cousin in her autograph book.

Hi all, Just want to clarify - didn't mean to stir up any modern conflicts or emotions. That's certainly not my understanding of what Pat's list is intended to do. Nor do I wish retribution to fall upon innocent descendants. (I personally hope to be held blameless for the hardships imposed by my ancestor Niall upon a young Romano-Celt named Patrick.) Instead, I just wanted to provide some additional historical context for what was going on 1775-1787 as a backdrop to the very fine article sent in by Jean. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, - Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hodgson Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] The Tories - What were they really likeduringtheAmerican R... Hi there I have just joined , I belong to an Irish Geneology site, but guys they never discuss things in quite the same light as you do. Being a descendent of Irish "rebels" transported to Australia I think I am going to like this site. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MK Douglas Sent: Monday, 15 January 2007 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] The Tories - What were they really like duringtheAmerican R... Ah--war and politics. Makes us see where we really stand. there is a song entitled ""The Germans now, too, Have God on their Side." I just hope that we Americans don't forget why we fought a Revolution. Kathleen

Re: Michael Hawley and Kate English of Aughavanlomaun, County Tipperary near Newcastle Dear Michael: As noted, Hawley is an extremely unusual Irish name. It's not even mentioned in MacLysaght, Woulfe, de Breffney, etc. You noted accurately that to get close to finding it at all, we have to go to MacLysaght's entry about (O) Hall(e)y, in which he states: "This is of dual origin: it is Ó hAilche in Cos. Waterford and Tipperary (where some Halleys are, however, really Mulhalls); and Ó hAille, a small Clare sept, whence Ballyally near Ennis." So Halley is actually of 3 possible origins rather than 2. And of all those names, the only one which has the aw sound of Hawley is Mulhall. I hate to send you in a different direction, but I have to suggest that without further information Mulhall (Ó Maol Chathail) is as likely an origin as Ó hAilche. However, you may have that needed information. You wrote: "Dan Hawley of Newcastle, County Tipperary has advised me that he believes that the O'Ailche sept originated in southern Tipperary near the present location of Newcastle where many Halley families now live, based on the fact that Geoffrey Keating grew up just west of Newcastle and supposedly was of the opinion that the location of the O'hAilche sept was in that area. This I have not been able to confirm." If that's so, then that would be the case crack. Because Seathrún Céitinn (known in English by the silly name of Geoffrey Keating) would have also noted the genealogy. But I'm looking at Céitinn's Geinealaigh ('Genealogies') now and can't find any reference to Ó hAilche or even just Ailche. I could easily be missing it, so this is where it would be great for Dan Hawley to hand off a reference or photocopy of the page he's citing. Now, here's an idea which might support Dan's statement. Aughavanlomaun is in the barony of Iffa and Offa West, in the south of Co. Tipperary. This barony is about 15-20 miles from the eastern border of the barony of East Muskerry, Co. Cork, named after the tribe of Múscraighe. Ailche and its apparent variants are especially noted in the genealogies as associated with the Ciarraighe (who gave their name to Co. Kerry) and the Múscraighe. If Dan's right, maybe we're dealing with a migration of a branch of the Múscraighe into south Tipperary. Anyway, I think Dan's the key right now. Best, - Jerry

Re: Michael Hawley and Kate English of Aughavanlomaun, County Tipperary near Newcastle Dear Michael: A very interesting problem. Let me try to clear away what I can for awhile, then let's see what's left. You wrote: "King Ceallachan (Callahan) granted Doncuan mac Cinneidi permission to marry Bebhinn, daughter of the Viking chief who had been killed in battle. If this is true, then Donncuan's son Cinneidi could have been half Norwegian and therefore agreeable to including a Danish family within the O'Kennedy sept." The Viking families were not given false genealogies. Genealogy from the 7th until the 17th century was far more accurate than it is today. For example, the Ó Dubhghaill (O'Doyle) family are descendants of dubh-ghaill ('black foreigners', i.e., Danes). Sept is a Norman word which, when applied to Scotland, can mean a political confederation, not descent from a common ancestor. Recommend you call these Irish families clans, tribes, dynasties, or families, thereby emphasizing their blood relationship. There was nothing wrong with being Danish or Norse in an ethnic/racial sense. Their valor was respected even if they were often enemies. Noble Viking men married noble Irish women to cement alliances, to keep the peace, sometimes even for more personal reasons. Whatever the reason, when this occurred the children were raised by Irish mothers and so the Vikings became Irish-speaking within a generation or two, just like Cromwell's soldiers who settled in Ireland in the mid-17th century. Once they also went Irish in law (Brehon law), they were treated just like any other Irish tribe, people, dynasty under the law, while continuing to recognize their descent. Bébhinn is an Irish Gaelic name, not Scandinavian. It can be translated as "melodious woman." So Bébhinn's mother was Irish, so Donnchuan's son Cinnéide was at least 3/4 Irish, maybe more depending upon whether Bébhinn's grandmother was Irish. Either way, Viking blood would not influence a family in this period to falsify a genealogy. There was no need, and nobody would believe them anyway. Instead, if there were a political alliance, there was a political alliance, and it was left at that without mucking about with the genealogies. Woulfe was wonderful, but later scholars like MacLysaght have noted that he was prone to bad etymology or leaping to conclusions about etymology. Maybe Ailche does mean 'English' in Danish, but as you point out it's also an Irish name. And as far as I can tell looking at the Dictionary Of The Irish Language Based Mainly On Old And Middle Irish Materials (Royal Irish Academy, Dublin, 1990), the word Ailche seems to mean something like 'destructive,' not 'English.' And if Helgi means 'holy' in Norse, why would it mean English in Danish, which is also derived from Norse? Certainly the Danes didn't think the English were holy. Something seems to be fishy in Denmark, or at least in this etymology. If the name Hawley does indeed come from Ó hAilche (while noting that Woulfe does not list Hawley as one of the anglicizations of Ó hAilche, and Woulfe was the best at writing down the different anglicizations), then we have to look closely at the Irish genealogical sources related to Ó hAilche. The Ó Cinnéide are a branch of the Dál gCais. The fact that the territory of the Ó hAilche was in the territory of Éile Uí Chearbhaill (Éile of the Ó Cearbhall, or Ely O'Carroll in English) is not in doubt and pretty much rules out descent from the Dál gCais. This territory comprised parts of counties southern Offaly and northern Tipperary. As Ó hUidhrín's poem makes clear (with Ó hUidhrín writing ca. 1400 and describing what Ireland was like before the Normans came in 1169), Tuatha Faralt was one of the 8 lordships loyal to and falling within the territory of the Muintir Chearbhaill of Éile, as follows: Territory Clan Ceinél Farga Ó Flannagáin / O'Flanagan Clann Ruaine Mág Corcráin / Mac Corcoran Clann Ionmhainéin Ó hAodhagáin / O'Hagan Clann Maonaigh Ó Dubhlaighe / O'Dooley Clann Coinnleagáin Mac Giolla Phóil / Mac Gilfoyle Uí Dhéice Ó Bánáin / O'Bannon Críoch Ó gCairín Uí Mheachair / O'Meaghar Tuath Faralt Uí Ailche / Ó hAilche Most of these are well-known branches of the Cianachta, just like the Muintir Chearbhaill who are the Ó Cearbhaill kings of Éile (the Ó Cearbhall / Kjarval family you referenced earlier). This led James Carney to conclude that the Ó hAilche are also a branch of the Cianachta. (Topographical Poems, edited by James Carney, Dublin Institute For Advanced Studies, Index, note on Muintear Cearbhaill, pps. 136-137). I checked Dubhaltach Mac Fhirbhisigh's Book Of Genealogies plus Corpus Genealogiarum Hiberniae which includes the genealogies of the Book of Leinster, Book of Ballymote, Rawlinson B.502, and all the other great genealogical manuscripts. The Ó hAilche are not listed in any of these. I see no reason to dispute Carney, while recognizing that his conclusion is conjectural. It's the best guess possible based on the information at hand. However, there is absolutely no reason to conclude that the Ó hAilche are a branch of the Ó Cinnéide who belong to the Dál gCais. The Cianachta and the Dál gCais are 2 totally separate tribes. John O'Donovan, writing for the Ordnance Survey in Offaly (1837-1838) was able to identify the precise location of the first 7 of the lordships, but not the precise location of Tuath Faralt for which he notes "8. Tuath Faralt; the situation of this is as yet unknown to me." (See <http://offalyhistory.com/content/reading_resources/archaeology/ordnance_sur vey/ordnance_letters-pt54.htm> http://offalyhistory.com/content/reading_resources/archaeology/ordnance_surv ey/ordnance_letters-pt54.htm .) Hogan concludes that Tuath Faralt must be "in Ikerrin or near Templemore... it was in Éile" (Onomasticon Goedelicum, Edmund Hogan, Four Courts Press, Dublin, 1910, p. 651) just as your other source indicated. Aughavanlomaun, County Tipperary is in the barony of Iffa and Offa West in the south of Co. Tipperary. Your ancestor Michael Hawley came from north Tipperary in the territory of Éile Uí Chearbhaill. It's not at all impossible that his people moved south over the course of the 600+ years separating him from the Norman invasion, but it still presents a problem. Most Irish stayed in their ancestral territory until the growth of the cities in the 20th century. And then we come back to pronunciation. Would doesn't list Hawley as an anglicization of Ó hAilche, and there's no Irish dialect I'm aware of which would pronounce it as such. H-eye-lee. Hah-lee. Hale-lee. But not Hawley. Not the aw sound. So we come back to the problem mentioned earlier. What Irish name does Hawley come from? More to come. Best, - Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael O'Hearn Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] O'hAilche of Tipperary Following Rev. Woulfe, it is probably more likely that O'hAilche is Danish rather than Norse, so they are probably not descended from Helgi Magri (the Lean) afterall. The Danish stronghold was in Waterford and many were forced to leave after the Normans arrived from England in 1170, and the Power family took over. My ancestor Ellen Hally of Tipperary was married in Ireland to Michael Patrick Powers of County Waterford. I also have a Johanna Power married to Daniel Crowley of County Cork on the maternal side. Sister Maire de Poer of Ireland says that the Powers' although arriving with the Normans were actually originally from Britain and had come over with the Normans from Brittany in France, so they had no particular reason to treat the Vikings of Waterford with any special consideration. Woulfe suggests that the name Ailche is derived from the Danish word meaning 'English'. Alternatively, if it is derived from Helgi meaning 'holy', there was also Helgi the Bold in Denmark who had been involved in warfare and who according to tradition married Aslaug the daughter of Sigurd Snake-in-the-Eye, they being the father and mother of Raginhild who married Halfdan the Black and begot Harald Fairhair King of Norway. More likely though, Helgi of Waterford was just an ordinary Viking. As to the possibility of being connected with O'Kennedy of Ormond, it is stated toward the end of the 12th century work "War of Ceallachan of Cashel" that after fighting the Vikings of Dublin, King Ceallachan (Callahan) granted Doncuan mac Cinneidi permission to marry Bebhinn, daughter of the Viking chief who had been killed in battle. If this is true, then Donncuan's son Cinneidi could have been half Norwegian and therefore agreeable to including a Danish family within the O'Kennedy sept.

Thanks, Michael. It's a very interesting problem. More to come. Best, - Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael O'Hearn Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] O'hAilche / O'Hally Jerry, Thanks for the historical and etymological help. (I hope I spelled that right!) This research is still a bit problematical. There were people listed in the Annals of the name Ailche prior to the Viking incursions. I have found a list of names representing old Irish names used as synonyms for similarly sounding Norse names. This is one such example. Secondly, I got the reference to Helgi the Bold from Saxo Grammaticus' History of Denmark so naturally, I assumed him to be Danish. In fact, he was born in Norway. That leads me to again conclude that Ailche was an ordinary Viking of Waterford or Tipperary circa 1000 AD when surnames came widely into use in Ireland. Michael O'Hearn ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks, John. Interesting thoughts. Best, - Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] The Tories - What were they really like duringtheAmerican R... Jean and Jerry, Those were very informative comments on the Tories. I wonder what would have happened to England and Europe in 1914 and 1939 if the Tories and the English had won the American Revolution No way to say, but my family never had any love for the English, and the sentiment was rekindled during WW2 when my father was on a convoy which was deserted by British escort vessels because they couldn't afford to lose the escort vessels we(the USA) had given them. But, you know the Irish hold hard feelings. I don't buy Japanese cars because they may bomb Pearl Harbor again and we won't be able to get parts. John O'Brien ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean and Jerry, Those were very informative comments on the Tories. I wonder what would have happened to England and Europe in 1914 and 1939 if the Tories and the English had won the American Revolution No way to say, but my family never had any love for the English, and the sentiment was rekindled during WW2 when my father was on a convoy which was deserted by British escort vessels because they couldn't afford to lose the escort vessels we(the USA) had given them. But, you know the Irish hold hard feelings. I don't buy Japanese cars because they may bomb Pearl Harbor again and we won't be able to get parts. John O'Brien

Dear Michael, You wrote: "He married Rafarta, daughter of Kjarval, the Irish king of Ossory who has been identified with King Cearbhall of that time." In some Irish dialects, Kjarval would be a nearly perfect rendition of Cearbhall. In others, Cearbhall would be pronounced Carroll. O'Carroll is the English attempt at Ó Cearbhaill. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, - Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael O'Hearn Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: ÓhAILCHE / O'HALLY There were several of the name Helgi for this time period from Norway and Denmark. I believe that the name derives from Helgi Magri (Helgi the Lean) from Norway whose life is recorded in the Laxdaela Saga. He married Rafarta, daughter of Kjarval, the Irish king of Ossory who has been identified with King Cearbhall of that time. The family later emigrated to Iceland. This Helgi had a mixed religion believing in both Christ and in the Norse god Thor. O'Hart may be correct in saying that O'hAilche is a branch of O'Kennedy of Ormond descended fron Donncuan because of the supposed location of the sept as mentioned by O'Heerin in his continuation of O'Dugan's Topographical Poem, which O'Hart takes to be in northern Tipperary and northwest Kilkenny which is in the Ormond territory of the O'Kennedy clan. They may have become part of the sept through adoption or some other means. In the Annals of Ulster there are several references to a son of Ailche, Tomar mac Ailche, who was an independent Viking chieftain of Limerick who was involved in raiding expeditions in a struggle between Dublin and Limerick, allying with the Ui Imair (descendants of Ivar) against Godfrid and Amlaib (Olafr) of Dublin. One of these raids by Ailche's son was against the monastery of Clonmacnois in 922 AD. There were also other septs anglicized Halley, Hally, and Haly. These include the O'hAinle sept of Clare with branches in Limerick and Cork (also sometimes Anglicized as O'Hanly), and the Mulhalls of Waterford are sometimes Halley in Waterford and Tipperary. According to O'Hart, the sept of O'hAilgaith in southern Galway has also been anglicized as Halley or Hally. Dan Hawley of Newcastle, County Tipperary has advised me that he believes that the O'Ailche sept originated in southern Tipperary near the present location of Newcastle where many Halley families now live, based on the fact that Geoffrey Keating grew up just west of Newcastle and supposedly was of the opinion that the location of the O'hAilche sept was in that area. This I have not been able to confirm. Michael O'Hearn ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A Mhíchil, a chara Austmann is apparently a variation of Ostmen which means 'East Man.' These are Vikings who came from the east. The Vikings of Dublin were known as the 'Ostmen' well into the middle ages. The name was occasionally taken as a surname. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, - Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael O'Hearn Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] O'hAilche of Tipperary I just noticed a mistake. Rafarta (Rafertach) was actually the mother of Helgi. She was married to Helgi's father Eyvind "The Easterling" Austmann Bjarnasson. Michael O'Hearn ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jerry, Thanks for the historical and etymological help. (I hope I spelled that right!) This research is still a bit problematical. There were people listed in the Annals of the name Ailche prior to the Viking incursions. I have found a list of names representing old Irish names used as synonyms for similarly sounding Norse names. This is one such example. Secondly, I got the reference to Helgi the Bold from Saxo Grammaticus' History of Denmark so naturally, I assumed him to be Danish. In fact, he was born in Norway. That leads me to again conclude that Ailche was an ordinary Viking of Waterford or Tipperary circa 1000 AD when surnames came widely into use in Ireland. Michael O'Hearn ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front

Ah--war and politics. Makes us see where we really stand. there is a song entitled ""The Germans now, too, Have God on their Side." I just hope that we Americans don't forget why we fought a Revolution. Kathleen [email protected] wrote: Jean and Jerry, Those were very informative comments on the Tories. I wonder what would have happened to England and Europe in 1914 and 1939 if the Tories and the English had won the American Revolution No way to say, but my family never had any love for the English, and the sentiment was rekindled during WW2 when my father was on a convoy which was deserted by British escort vessels because they couldn't afford to lose the escort vessels we(the USA) had given them. But, you know the Irish hold hard feelings. I don't buy Japanese cars because they may bomb Pearl Harbor again and we won't be able to get parts. John O'Brien ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I sent the goodies privately Eliz There is no Joseph Langley in the 1890 New York City Directory from Brooklyn are: LANGLEY Chas. carp'r h 665 Humb't LANGLEY Jas. fireman h 346 Hamilton av LANGLEY Oscar H. watchman h 1150 Hancock LANGLEY Oscar H. jr. hatter h 1150 Hancock LANGLEY Thos. agt. h 54 Woodhull LANGLEY Wm. plumber h 627 Warren 1910 is the only year I find Mary Name: Mary Offenhauser Age in 1910: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Birthplace: Ireland Relation to Head of House: Wife Father's Birth Place: Ireland Mother's Birth Place: Ireland Spouse's name: William Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 8, Kings, New York Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Female Year of Immigration: 1884 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Offenhauser 39 Mary Offenhauser 31 Wm Offenhauser JR. 5 Agnes Offenhauser 4 Marie Offenhauser 11/12 But some respelling Name: William Offenhause [William Offenhanse] Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 9, Kings, New York Age: 15 years Estimated birth year: abt 1905 Birthplace: New York Relation to Head of House: Son Father's Birth Place: Germany Mother's name: Mary Mother's Birth Place: Ireland Marital Status: Single Race: White Sex: Male Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Image: 752 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary Offenhause 40 William Offenhause 15 Agnes Offenhause 13 Marie Offenhause 10 Helen Langley 30 Knock Nelson 47 ROTFLMAO Lordy all my hunting and not finding and they are all on the one page!! first on the page is; Name: John Tracy Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 9, Kings, New York Age: 45 years Estimated birth year: abt 1875 Birthplace: New York Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Catherin Father's Birth Place: Ireland Mother's Birth Place: Ireland Marital Status: Married Race: White Sex: Male Home owned: Own Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Image: 752 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Tracy 45 Catherin Tracy 40 Dorothy Tracy 13 Edward Tracy 9 William Langley 33 James Langley 26 Agnis Langley 25

In a message dated 1/12/2007 2:25:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: , Lucy, born Dec 1882 in NY, Daughter, ? bornApril 1884 in NY,William, born Feb 1887 in NY, and Hugh, born Dec 1891 Name: Hugh Langley Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Birthplace: New York Relationship to head-of-house: Son Father's name: Joseph Joseph Langley Home in 1900: 237 (no apartment number) West 39th St Manhattan, New York, New York Age: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 (March 1845) Married 25 years Birthplace: Ireland Relationship to head-of-house: Head Spouse's name: Mary Race: White Occupation: View image Immigration year: 1880 Mother's name: Mary Race: White Occupation: View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joseph Langley 55 Mary Langley 54 Mary Langley 23 Katie Langley 20 (April 1880 Agnes Langley 19 (Feb 1881 - which may or may not make 1880 wrong *G* Lucy Langley 17 Eldena Langley 15 William Langley 12 Hugh Langley 8

Hi, I am looking for information on my uncles Michael Lynch (born 15/10/1897) and his wife Elizabeth (Lizzie) Lynch (nee Martin). Also John Lynch and his wife Margaret Lynch nee Shannon. Their parents were John Lynch and Rose Flanagan Michael emigrated to Halifax, Nova Scotia and I think were married about 1923, the rest of his family emigrated to New Zealand. . He was born in townland Corranewey, Maguiresbridge, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. Not sure if he stayed in Canada or went to USA. Also his brother John Lynch and his wife Margaret Shannon emigrated to USA about the same time early 1920's. Other related family surnames: Flanagan/Mulligan/Breslin/Fee/McBrien/Harte. Any information would be helpful. Colleen Hodgson Gold Coast Australia