Hi Michael & Jerry -- Found this on the web. Perhaps the family was English and they moved to ( implanted in) Ireland. (?) Jean. Name forms Halley, Hally, Hauley, Hauly, Hawley, Hawly Origin English: 1) derived from the Old English words "halig" and "leah", meaning holy and wood. The name was given to those who came from Hawley, a place in Kent, England, which was most probably so named because it was once the location of a hallowed grove. 2) derived from the Old English word "h(e)all", meaning either manor or stone. The name was given to those who came from Hawley, a place in Hampshire, England. 3) derived from the Old Norse word "haugr" and the Old English word "leah", meaning mound and wood. The name was given to those who came from a place that no longer exists called Hawley, near Sheffield, England. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Ó hAilche of Tipperary / Hawley Thanks, Michael. Happy to see that the Mulhall option has been eliminated. Plenty of options still remaining, though. Too many, and all based on mere supposition. <snip>

Hi Pat, I have often wondered the same thing, but I guess there was a difference between deprevation in the U.S. and starvation in Ireland, especially when you add disease, violence and serfdom to the mix. Fran Weeks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Kerry's Dingle Peninsula (1976) - FITZGERALD,BOLAND > I still > think she would have been better off and happier if she stayed put. > Poverty in that area of Ireland doesn't seem quite the same as poverty > in New York (New Rochelle). At least in Ireland she had extended family > and land. She had neither in NY. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara, How long are you planning on staying in Ireland for? Where have you been to on prevous trips here? The reason I as k is that Dingle to Gort / Kinvara ia a 4 hour drive. If time allows, it might be better to consider staying in a few diferent places as you move around Ireland. The good news is that September is after peak season so costs should be lower and booking easier. The Irish Tourist Board will send you out a magazine brochure called " Discover Ireland". It lists every Tourist Board approved accomodation provider ( all types - hotels, apartments cottages, b and bs etc). We have holidayed at home in Ireland ourselves for the last few years as we have two small litle girls who are two young to travel long haul. We always pick self catering apartments associated with a nice hotel so you get the best of both worlds, the freedom o the apartment / cottage and the facilities ( Dining , Bar , Fitness/leisure ) of the Hotel. I would consider staying in Dingle town itself as a base to tour the Dingle area and Galway city or the Galway Bay area for Kinvara. For Gort have a look at the Shannon Oaks Hotel located on the shore of Lough Derg on the River Shannon. Not too far from Gort. www.shannonoaks.ie Kind regards, Stuart www.irelandandirish.com/forums ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] New question.... > Now we're (4 adults)planning a trip to West Ireland in September....can > anyone recommend a cottage to rent/self catering accommodation that you > liked, > and that would allow us to tour the Dingle Peninsula and basically cover > the > South west of Ireland? We've done the B & Bs and that was fine, but now > want > to "put down roots" a little to continue my search for relatives in > Kinvara > and Gort plus sightsee! If this is off topic, I'm sorry. Been counting > on you > all for so much information in the past. Barbara > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roger I take that back. Elizabeth is right. I didn't do much probate. Michael O'Hearn ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265

Roger, You asked "What is the "proved date" of a will?" As a former estate planning attorney, I would say the date the will becomes effective, which is the date it is executed, i.e. signed by the testator and two witnesses for a printed or typed will, and signed by the testator with or without witnesses for a holographic will (written entirely by the testator in his or her own handwriting). This follows English and American legal tradition. Michael O'Hearn ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265

Jerry, To shed further light on the subject, perhaps you could assist in the translation of this quote from the Irish Times surname search database: Ó h-Ailche Halley, Hally: cuíosach líonmhar, Port Lairge, Cill Chainnigh & rl. Deir de Bhulbh gur de bhunadh Lochlannach iad, ach tá meascadh le Ó h-Aille, q.v. Michael O'Hearn ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

Jerry, Thank you again for the scholarly additions. Where to begin? First, my fourth cousin Sandra Hawley traveled to Newcastle, County Tipperary, Ireland several years ago and obtained information from the baptismal certificates including baptismal sponsors for all of the thirteen children of Michael Hally and Kate English, all of them Hallys including many of the sponsors. As far as I or anyone knows, the name only became Hawley after most of the family, except Patrick Hally who stayed behind, immigrated to America (one son died in transport and another died shortly after arrival). As far as I know, the name Hawley was adopted only after arrival as an anglicized, Americanized version of Hally. I have an Irish ancestral map printed in Michigan which probably follows Hogan's and Carney's suggestions because it lists the name as Holy located in NW Kilkenny around the town of Urlingford which would have been Osraigh territory, although they are listed as Ciannacht, perhaps through a confusion between the earlier Osraigh Cearbhall and the later Eile Cearbhall ancestor of O'Carrolls, unless Eile O'Carroll did in fact extend to that part of Kilkenny at that time which would imply that they were Ciannacht. One son of Michael and Kate in Meridian, Michigan used the name Holly, and that seems to be the preferred pronunciation in America. So based on the location in Tipperary, we are probably talking about O'hAilche insofar as Mulhall of Waterford as Hally would be the exception which proves the rule. Just because the name is Hawley in America by one family does not, in my humble opinion, make all of the Hallys of Aughavanlomaun Mulhalls. O'Hart places Tuath Ferault in Tipperary in the vicinity of Templemore I believe, and extending into Kilkenny in the vicinity of Urlingford. By suggesting that they were a branch of the O'Kennedy's, he seems to me to imply that this territory was part of Ormond. Woulfe likewise places them in and around Templemore, and later appearing as merhants in Cashel and in Kilmallock, County Limerick. This would also tend to suggest that they were of Viking origin, as some Vikings could have become "middle men" after the Viking defeat at clontarf in 1013 AD. As noted previously, the name Ailche, of old memory in Eire, was used as a synonym or substitute for the Norse name Helgi. As previously noted, there was a gentleman named Helgi at that time who was half Norwegian and half Irish being the son of Eivind Austmann of Norway and Rafertach daughter of Kjarval identified with King Cearbhall of Ossory, as I have discovered in a note to a recent addition of Saxo's History of Denmark. (Sorry, I don't have the name of the original saga manuscript but it may be listed in the note.) This would tend to support the view of an Ossory origin of Hally as a Viking or half Viking family. Parenthetically, Hawley is in some cases etymologically of Norse origin which may have influenced the choice of the Americanized version Hawley of the Hally family in America. I referred to the 12th century manuscript "Wars of Ceallachan of Cashel" to provide one explanation of how O'hAilche, if in fact of Danish origin as suggested by Rev. Woulfe, could have been associated with the O'Kennedy sept as stated in O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees where he also says that they were hereditary physicians. I agree that membership in a sept does not necessarily imply paternal descent. However, it does indicate close family bonds, and this is what I take O'Hart to mean when he says that O'hAilche was a branch of the O'Kennedys of Ormond, as I also agree with Woulfe that they were originally Danish Vikings, not to suggest that this was an attempt to falsify a pedigree. Rather, because I believe that they were ordinary Vikings of Waterford or south Tipperary, there is no record of their actual ancestry and probably was none then either. I do agree with you insofar as I do not believe they were transposed from North Tipperary or County Kilkenny to the Newcastle area, also in agreement with Dan Hawley of Newcastle in this respect, who incidentally does believe that all of the Hallys in that area including himself although using a different spelling are O'hAilche. Michael O'Hearn ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

In a message dated 1/15/2007 4:18:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi, > I'm looking for any suggestions or advise on organizations or a lawyer who could >help me with moving to Ireland and applying for residency or the right the live >there. > Sincerely, > Susan Welsh Susan, A few good websites: http://www.emigrant.ie/boards/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=00017 2 http://amireland.com/ireland/movepage/home.html http://www.gatewaysmoving.com/about_moving_to_ireland.htm http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061023125821AAHa1ly Or just go to: www.google.com Type in: moving to Ireland or similar words. Joan

The County Down births section of my website has been updated, and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

Hi, Papers to achieve this are on the web site for the Irish Embassy http://www.irelandemb.org/fbr.html Beth On 1/15/07, S.W. <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > I'm looking for any suggestions or advise on organizations or a lawyer who could help me with moving to Ireland and applying for residency or the right the live there. My ancestors are from Ireland and I am trying to find them as well. Supposedly they are from the Cork area. > > The surname I am searching for is Welch or Welsh or Walsh. I have information back to my great grandfather and great grandmother (and their parents) who were born and married in Ireland. They eventually settled in St. Paul, Minnesota where my grandparents and parents lived. I've been collecting information for the past few years here in the US and trying to make contacts in Ireland. Thanks very much for any information. > > Sincerely, > Susan Welsh > > > --------------------------------- > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Elizabeth W. Tordella, MS, RN

I tried this site. the years are confined to 1890-1899. Costs to look. I would not mind a cost to save but when one is searching, it is difficult to get it right the first time. Cost is low, but adds up when you look and look. Thanks. Beth On 1/15/07, Pat Connors <[email protected]> wrote: > Findmypast.com, in association with The National Archives, is proud to > present ancestorsonboard, a new database featuring BT27 Outward > Passenger Lists for long-distance voyages leaving the British Isles from > 1960 right back to 1890. With ancestorsonboard, you can search for > records of individuals or groups of people leaving for destinations > including Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand, South Africa and USA > featuring ports such as Boston, Philadelphia and New York. Passengers > include not only immigrants and emigrants, but also businessmen, > diplomats and tourists. Images of the passenger lists are available to > download, view, save and print. > > This is suppose to have a free search ability, would love to hear (on > the list) about experiences using this program. You can find it at: > http://www.ancestorsonboard.com/ > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Elizabeth W. Tordella, MS, RN

I got wonderful advice from those who wrote...very happy with the choices I've been given to research. Thank you!!!

I really liked the snippet and rebuttal. Got me to do my own searching. Interesting history. These are great history lessons and I am so grateful! Beth Tordella On 1/15/07, MK Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah--war and politics. Makes us see where we really stand. there is a song entitled ""The Germans now, too, Have God on their Side." I just hope that we Americans don't forget why we fought a Revolution. > > Kathleen > > [email protected] wrote: > Jean and Jerry, > > Those were very informative comments on the Tories. I wonder what would have > happened to England and Europe in 1914 and 1939 if the Tories and the English > had won the American Revolution No way to say, but my family never had any > love for the English, and the sentiment was rekindled during WW2 when my father > was on a convoy which was deserted by British escort vessels because they > couldn't afford to lose the escort vessels we(the USA) had given them. > > But, you know the Irish hold hard feelings. I don't buy Japanese cars > because they may bomb Pearl Harbor again and we won't be able to get parts. > > John O'Brien > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Elizabeth W. Tordella, MS, RN

Hi there I have just joined , I belong to an Irish Geneology site, but guys they never discuss things in quite the same light as you do. Being a descendent of Irish "rebels" transported to Australia I think I am going to like this site. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MK Douglas Sent: Monday, 15 January 2007 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] The Tories - What were they really like duringtheAmerican R... Ah--war and politics. Makes us see where we really stand. there is a song entitled ""The Germans now, too, Have God on their Side." I just hope that we Americans don't forget why we fought a Revolution. Kathleen [email protected] wrote: Jean and Jerry, Those were very informative comments on the Tories. I wonder what would have happened to England and Europe in 1914 and 1939 if the Tories and the English had won the American Revolution No way to say, but my family never had any love for the English, and the sentiment was rekindled during WW2 when my father was on a convoy which was deserted by British escort vessels because they couldn't afford to lose the escort vessels we(the USA) had given them. But, you know the Irish hold hard feelings. I don't buy Japanese cars because they may bomb Pearl Harbor again and we won't be able to get parts. John O'Brien ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Now we're (4 adults)planning a trip to West Ireland in September....can > anyone recommend a cottage to rent/self catering accommodation that you > liked, > and that would allow us to tour the Dingle Peninsula and basically cover > the > South west of Ireland? We've done the B & Bs and that was fine, but now > want > to "put down roots" a little to continue my search for relatives in > Kinvara > and Gort plus sightsee! If this is off topic, I'm sorry. Been counting > on you > all for so much information in the past. Barbara Some helpful websites: http://www.vrbo.com/vacation-rentals/europe/ireland . http://www.shamrockcottages.co.uk/ http://www.galway.net/tourism/visit/connemara/accommodation.html www.google.com Joan

Here's another list I admin on Yahoo. We have a few travel agents and many of us have been to Ireland a number of times, and you can get help on it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Eire_Travel/ It used to be on Rootsweb and then they closed down all the travel lists, so I took it to Yahoo. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Go raibh maith agat, a Stuart. An-suimiúil ar fad. / Many thanks, Stuart. Very interesting entirely. LGDG / Best, - G -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 2:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRISH-AMER] Flight of the Earls Hi folks, Donegal County Council in Ireland have just launched a new website today commemorating the 400th anniversary of the Flight of the Earls. www.flightoftheearls.ie Kind regards, Stuart Stuart McNamara The Wild Geese Forums ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] "The Green Fields of America"/Omagh,Co. Tyrone's 15th Annual Appalachian & Bluegrass MusicFestival/Mick MOLONEY's book > THE GREEN FIELDS OF AMERICA > > Farewell to the groves of shillelagh and shamrock, > Farewell to the girls of old Ireland all around. > May your hearts be as merry as ever you could find them, > As far away over the ocean I am bound. > For me mother is old and me father's quite feeble, > To leave their own country 'twould grieve their hearts full sore; > Oh, the tears down their cheeks in great drops they are rolling, > To think I must die upon some foreign shore. > > But what matter to me where my bones may lie buried, > If in peace and contentment I can spend my life? > Oh, the green fields of Canada they daily are calling, > And there I'll see an end to my misery and strife, > So it's pack up your sea-stores, consider no longer, > For ten dollars a week is not very bad pay, > With no taxes or tithes to devour up your wages > When you're on the green fields of America. > > The lint-dams are gone and the looms are now idle, > Gone are the winders of baskets and creels; > Away o'er the ocean go journeymen, ploughboys, > And fiddlers who flaked out the old mountain reels. > But I mind the time when old Ireland was flourishing, > When most of our tradesmen did work for good pay, > But since our manufacturies have crossed the Atlantic, > It's now we must follow unto America. > > So now to conclude and to finish my ditty, > If ever friendless Irishman chances my way, > With the best in the house I will greet him in welcome, > At home on the green fields of America, > So it's pack up your sea-stores, consider no longer, > For ten dollars a week is not very bad pay, > With no taxes or tithes to devour up your wages, > When you're on the green fields of America. > > Note - The 15th Annual Appalachian & Bluegrass and Folk Music Festival took place (Sept 1-3 in 2006) at the Ulster American Folk Park, Omagh, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland. For more info on the folk park's upcoming events: www.folkpark.com. Researchers with Scots-Irish roots may also be interested in Mick MOLONEY's book, "Far From the Shamrock Shore: The Story of Irish American History Through Song," and/or his article in the May-June 2005 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine, www.irelandofthewelcomes.com. A teacher, musician and author, Mr. MOLONEY also participates in music tours to Ireland, details from www.mickmoloney.com. > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael, This section should read: "Aughavanlomaun, County Tipperary is in the barony of Iffa and Offa West in the south of Co. Tipperary. If Michael Hawley's ancestors originally came from north Tipperary in the territory of Éile Uí Chearbhaill, it's not impossible that his people moved south over the course of the 600+ years separating him from the Norman invasion, but it still presents a problem. Most Irish stayed in their ancestral territory until the growth of the cities in the 20th century. And then we come back to pronunciation. Woulfe doesn't list Hawley as an anglicization of Ó hAilche, and there's no Irish dialect I'm aware of which would pronounce it as such. H-eye-lee. Hah-lee. Hale-lee. But not Hawley. Not the aw sound ....." That should make some sense now. Best, - Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] O'hAilche of Tipperary / Hawley Re: Michael Hawley and Kate English of Aughavanlomaun, County Tipperary near Newcastle Dear Michael: ............... Aughavanlomaun, County Tipperary is in the barony of Iffa and Offa West in the south of Co. Tipperary. Your ancestor Michael Hawley came from north Tipperary in the territory of Éile Uí Chearbhaill. It's not at all impossible that his people moved south over the course of the 600+ years separating him from the Norman invasion, but it still presents a problem. Most Irish stayed in their ancestral territory until the growth of the cities in the 20th century. And then we come back to pronunciation. Would doesn't list Hawley as an anglicization of Ó hAilche, and there's no Irish dialect I'm aware of which would pronounce it as such. H-eye-lee. Hah-lee. Hale-lee. But not Hawley. Not the aw sound. So we come back to the problem mentioned earlier. What Irish name does Hawley come from? More to come. Best, - Jerry

Hi, I'm looking for any suggestions or advise on organizations or a lawyer who could help me with moving to Ireland and applying for residency or the right the live there. My ancestors are from Ireland and I am trying to find them as well. Supposedly they are from the Cork area. The surname I am searching for is Welch or Welsh or Walsh. I have information back to my great grandfather and great grandmother (and their parents) who were born and married in Ireland. They eventually settled in St. Paul, Minnesota where my grandparents and parents lived. I've been collecting information for the past few years here in the US and trying to make contacts in Ireland. Thanks very much for any information. Sincerely, Susan Welsh --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

In a message dated 1/15/2007 12:03:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: >Findmypast.com, in association with The National Archives, is proud to >present ancestorsonboard, a new database featuring BT27 Outward >Passenger Lists for long-distance voyages leaving the British Isles from >1960 right back to 1890.< > http://www.ancestorsonboard.com/ -- >Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com Pat, Anyone who came between 1890 - 1899 can be looked up. My family came before and after these dates. 1960 right back to 1890 won't be on line until 2008. Joan