I sent that from the library and it was from memory about articles over the years. After checking on the internet, the scientists names are Peter Underhill of Stanford and Bryan sykes of Oxford. They are now in agreement that about 80% of the genetic makeup for Europeans is from the Old Stone Age (Middle Stone Age in Ireland because they arrived later), and about 20% from the New Stone Age who introduced agriculture, domesticated animals, and building techniques such as can be seen at Newgrange. There is also a certain rare blood type that occurs more frequently in Ireland and is also common in North Africa which may indicate that some of the Neolithic arrivals came from North Africa and across Spain before reaching Ireland. Michael O'Hearn ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097

SNIPPET: John McCORMACK (1884-1945), one of the finest and most popular tenor singers of the first quarter of the 20th century, was born into a tough working-class family in Athlone, in Co. Westmeath, the fourth of eleven children born to Andrew and Hannah McCORMACK, at a time when Ireland was one of the poorest countries in Europe. Nonetheless, John was full of determination to make a name for himself, and according to those who knew him, was possessed of "language so earthy, a docker might blush to hear him." Mc CORMACK's success was phenomenal. The subsequent publicized "rivalry" between McCORMACK and singer Enrico CARUSO was friendly, each tenor deferring to the other as the greatest of the day. Both became millionaires and both became mainstays of the RCA Victor recording company. CARUSO, who was also an actor and artist, drew affectionate caricatures of his friend, McCORMACK, in pen and ink. McCORMACK was the first mega-star of music and this success led to a mansion in Hollywood and a grand estate in Ireland which was once the seat of the earls of Drogheda. He was made a Count of the Papal court, and for a great part of his life was known as "John, Count McCormack." He was lionized in America, being the guest of honor at President WILSON's Fourth of July concert in 1918, having a year previously renounced "all previous allegiances" to the UK (which included Ireland) to become an American citizen. This act was virtually ignored in Ireland, but officially, England took offense, as his change of nationality had taken place a few months before America had entered the "Great War." There was an irony here, too, for it was in England, after his voice and his fortune failed (he had a weakness for slow race-horses), that McCORMACK's most loyal audiences remained. McCORMACK's wife was Lily FOLEY, a Dublin soprano. They were married in 1906 and had two children, a son, Cyril, and a daughter, Gwen. In 1920 having spent several years in the USA, he returned to Dublin with his family where he lived until his death on 16 Sept 1945. Today the "John McCormack Golden Voice Competition," which is held every year in Athlone in his memory, attracts top-grade singers from Britain and Ireland.

Several recent studies involving DNA indicate that the vast majority of Irish descend on both the male and female lines from the ancient inhabitants of Western Europe who moved into Scotland and Northern Ireland after the glaciers began to melt about 12,000 years ago. The first study conducted by Sykes of Oxford University in Great Britain about 1980 found seven separate locations for varying types of mitochondrial DNA which is only transmitted through the maternal line forming the basis of his book "The Seven Daughters of Eve". DNA also proves that all living homo sapiens descend form one original mother whom scientists call Eve from the Book of Genesis. The Irish inhabitants appear to be predominantly from two groups, the first being in the Iberian Peninsula probably the ancestors of modern day Basques, and the second being centered in Northern Italy and Southern France but havind settled there from Syria in the Middle East quite a bit later than the arrival of the first mesolithic hunting and food gathering culture who had previously crossed over from Western Norway into Scotland and Ireland. The second study conducted by Underwood of Standford University was done on Y chromosome DNA samples which are only passed down in the male line and identifies three separate locations for varying types of male DNA, one in the Iberian Peninsula, one in the the Balkan Peninsula, and one in the Ukraine region near the Black Sea. These three groups were separated from an inoriginal homogeneous population in Europe at the time of the Ice Age. The findings indicate that almost all modern day Irish descend from the ancient inhabitants of Spain who began to move northward as the glaciers began to melt, and spread into Norway, Scotland and Ireland in agreement with Sykes' findings. The area of Ireland with this type of DNA is in Galway where I believe it is roughly 98% prevalent. The areas with the most diversity are the Ulster and Leinster regions where there was substantial settlement from Britain. Still, the incidence of the earlier type is about 95% I believe. The group originating in the Ukraine area in both studies corresponds to the European ancestors of the kurgan culture which Marija Gimbutas formerly on the faculty of the University of California at Los Angeles identifies as being influenced by groups from southern Asia, the Ural Mountains region of Russia who became the Finno-Ugric culture, Semitic peoples who probably came from Iran, and others from the Caucasus region, all forming into the so-called Indo-European culture of which the early Celts belong. I more recent study using Y chromosome DNA has found that a disproportionately high percentage of Irish males in the Ui Neill areas particularly in Ulster trace back to a single 5th century ancestor whom it has been suggested was the Ard Ri Niall of the Nine Hostages. I would guess that if these findings are accurate, that Niall was descended paternally from the ancient mesolithic inhabitants of Ireland as are the vast majority of Irish males today. Although the genealogy of Niall points to a Gaelic Indo-European origin, it is likely that, as Gibbon suggests with regard to the English nobility, at some point in Niall's family tree there was illegitamacy of parentage which of course is incapable of proof. Michael O'Hearn --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

Hello to List Members: I received my Newsletter from the Irish Family History Forum. At their next meeting they will have Laura Murphy DeGrazia. I was present years ago shortly after the Forum was created when Laura explained how she researched her own family. She was wonderful and it was before she became a certified genealogist. Her presentation was so illuminating to this newbie. I won't be able to attend because I will be in Ireland. The meeting will be held on Long Island in Bethpage. Here is the information from the Newsletter: Have you ever found someone in your research whom you thought was your great grandfather, only to find out later that you spent a great deal of time on a same-named non-relative? How can you prove that the person you've found is really your ancestor? What do you do if your family research uncovers conflicting data? If these questions sound familiar, you'll want to come to the Forum's general meeting on Saturday, February 17th, when Certified Genealogist Laura Murphy DeGrazia, a longtime Forum member and former member of the Board will deliver her presentation, Prove It! Evidence Analysis for Genealogists. Laura will explain the difference between original and derivateve sources, primary and secondary information, and direct and indirect evidence. She will use examples to illustrate the fundamentals of analysis, including how to handle conflicting evidence and stuations where direct is unavailable. You can find directions to the library by contacting their site www.IFHF.org Pauline Salmon San Diego

SNIPPET: Robert SCALLY is a professor of history of NY University and director of Ireland House in NYC. He is also author of "The End of Hidden Ireland." Per Mr. SCALLY, "If there was one experience common to the Irish refugees from the Great Famine, other than hunger, it was the sight of Liverpool. Very few sailed directly from Ireland across the Atlantic - fewer than one in four. The vast majority first sailed east to Liverpool, the greatest seaport of the 19th century - leaving Cork City, Dublin, Wexford, and Belfast behind. For these future Americans, the grimy seaport of Liverpool was the last they would see of Europe. Liverpool was the first gateway to America, directing the flow of hundreds of thousands of Irish to NY, Quebec, New Orleans, Boston, Charleston, Savannah. Its influence extended along the global maritime network of commercial ties and routes that had been in place, and growing, for more than 100 years by the time the migration reached its peak during the "hungry forties." Slavery and cotton were two of the main reasons for Liverpool's maritime dominance - it had cornered the slave trade before its abolition and then became the main receiver in Europe of the cotton from the Old South, the endless flow of 500-pound bales picked and hauled by slaves to the levees of New Orleans and Charleston. Ireland's "Black 1847" witnessed more Irish than ever pouring from the country, most of them refugees fleeing the hunger as best they could but among them, too, many thousands who had saved for and set their minds on emigrating for years. For the destitute, there was often no choice of destination: They had but money enough to be among the half-million who would immigrate only to Britain with perhaps a hope of one day returning. Or they were among those whose immigration to America was "assisted." That is, passage was paid for by their landlords, who, under the Poor Law Extension act, either moved their poor charges off the Crown's soil or paid for the tenant's welfare in Ireland. For those who could muster the fare, the courage, for the long voyage across the Atlantic, the choice was clear - a new life away from the blight, away from the Brits. And that route went through Liverpool. Ironically, it was into Liverpool and its massive warehouses that the cargoes of grain, meat, and dairy goods denied to the starving Irish countryside flowed unceasingly from Irish ports. Now the ships were carrying the supercargo of hungry Irish. In the two decades before the Famine, a rising tide of emigrants passed into Liverpool, reaching nearly 100,000 in some years before 1845. In 1847, at least 320,000 Irish men, women, and children poured from the Irish ferries, many of them unable or unwilling to go any further. It might be said that Liverpool beckoned the torrent of Irish emigrants to its doorstep through its Irish network. There was profit in the emigrants' fare, but thousands of them were also needed in the port itself for hauling cargoes, excavating the roads and railway cuttings, and in extending the great docks. For these tasks they were welcome. But as their numbers grew and their condition worsened, their popular reception became increasingly hostile. In the story of the Famine emigrants, the Liverpool ordeal attracted more attention at the time than London or New York. The scandal of death and suffering on its waterfront was widely reported in the press and reports to Parliament from the municipal health authorities. Contemporary writers like Nathaniel HAWTHORNE and the BRONTEs depicted some of the horrors to which the Famine imigres were routinely subjected to as they were disgorged from the Irish ferries. Some were outraged by what they witnessed there. But not all observers of Irish misery on the Liverpool docks were moved by the spectacle of human suffering. HAWTHORNE, who was the American consul in Liverpool at the time, noted the ragged throngs of Irish huddled around the dock gates, but in him they inspired only disgust: "The people are as numerous as maggots on cheese," he wrote. Almost alone among the witnesses who wrote of Liverpool at that time, the young Herman MELVILLE declared his outrage at the wanton cruelties the newcomers met in the town. In what is by far the most eloquent account of mid-century Liverpool, MELVILLE described in "Redburn," His First Voyage," the "endless vistas of want and woe staggering arm in arm along these miserable streets." The desensitized feeling of humanity apparent in Liverpool may have been more extreme than elsewhere at the time, with its volatile mix of Celts, evangelists, and lawlessness. But it was not the end of the callous faces the Irish immigrants would encounter on their long journey to America."

In a message dated 1/21/2007 6:01:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: ON ancestry there are family trees that match this one and they have with the last name of Shannon on it, they have his DOB as 1903 The tree is done by Colleen Lynch Daughter of Patrick She has Johns parents and everything down Check it out its public. If you are not a member let me know and I will help you out. Any tree on Ancestry should also be on Rootsweb/family trees Eliz

In a message dated 1/17/2007 8:41:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: (Rose Ann "Annie" GORMAN MALEY RATHBONE) appointed her father (Philip GORMAN) as guardian of her three children after her husband (Edward MALEY, Jr.) and their father died at a young age (32) so that each year she could and did charge and submit a bill for their school supplies, medical, clothing and etc She couldn't appoint her father guardian, the court must have done so, if not appointed in the husbands will. All mothers who had any means submitted for school etc since they weren't free. I have most of my knowledge from the estate of an ancestral Uncle in law, there were in the court papers many little tidbits (found online in Tippah Co MS site) and for the mother to get any money to support the children it had to be disbursed from the Guardian. Eliz

In a message dated 1/26/2007 9:24:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: 22 Jan 1854: Pottstown, Pennsylvania. Said Mass for the miners, all from Mayo and Sligo, in a shanty church, wind whistling through it. Never felt such cold. Boy how interesting it is, being from the area. Thinking mines were not a big thing in Pottstown, stone quarrys but except for the Graphite mines in Chester Springs, I don't know of any. I must find out. How I love these snippets! Eliz

Hello, Pat . . . Oh, well . . . back to the drawing board, as they say . . . but thanks much for your reply to my Anne Maley question . . . Joe

Joe, I don't have any Colfer's or Neil's in my files and the only Bryan Maley I have is Brian Patrick Maley b 17-Aug-1964 s/o Betty Lou JACKSON and Patrick Rudolph MALEY. O'NEIL-Martha Jane m Paul HOUCHIN; Mary Jane m John O'MALLEY/MALEY; Sarah m Hugh McNALLY and Thomas Leo m Sarah BATES. I am sorry I couldn't find a connection. Regards, Pat O'MALLEY/O'MALEY/MALEY-CURTIS ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Last Will and Testament and other documents...Ohio > I have a g-grandmother, Anne Maley, who married Michael Colfer here in the States . . . she was baptized at Rathangan, Co. Wexford, in 1846, and left Ireland with Michael in the Summer of 1866 . . . they were married in the States a couple of months after their arrival . . . her baptismal record places her townland as Baldwinstown. > > I have lots of missing pieces in my family tree research, and would love to know if there is a connection here . . . my Anne Maley's parents were Bryan and Mary (Neil) Maley. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:42 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Last Will and Testament and other documents...Ohio > > > Patricia, > My ggrandmother (Rose Ann "Annie" GORMAN MALEY RATHBONE) appointed her > father (Philip GORMAN) as guardian of her three children after her husband > (Edward MALEY, Jr.) and their father died at a young age (32) so that each > year she could and did charge and submit a bill for their school supplies, > medical, clothing and etc. She also had married and had 2 children by her > second husband. Even when her daughter (Nellie) died she charged the estate > of her first husband for burial, doctor and etc. of her death at age 11. > When my grandfather (James MALEY) reached the age of 21, what was left in > his father's estate it was divided in half and the balance was held for his > younger brother (Philip Edward "Spot" MALEY , but the mother still charged > for the care of her youngest son. When he reached 21 yrs of age he got the > balance of his father's estate that was left. > I really have hard feelings towards her for being so greedy (My > ggrandmother). > Patricia MALEY-CURTIS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:34 PM > Subject: [IRISH-AMER] Last Will and Testament and other documents...Ohio > > > > My GrUn James DALY wrote his last W & T, 11 Dec 1842. It was properly > witnessed, and then signed by a Judge. It appointed a guardian for his > minor child, although his wife was still young and alive, and named this > guardian as the Will's executor also. This person's name was Francis Moran. > > > > On 9 May 1843, James' wife, Ana Maria went before the Court of Common > Pleas, and had the Judge who signed the Will, 'affirm' that he was present > at the signing of the Will, and that indeed it was James' signature on the > handwritten will. This created another paper document. > > > > My assumptions: James died before 9 May 1843. > > My GRgf, Lawrence moved into the household > after his brother's death, married Ana Maria, and therefore, there was no > need for an execution of the will. I don't find any papers indicating that > Francis Moran became a guardian of James and Ana's minor son. > > > > My questions: What other papers would have been present to show the > Will's execution? > > > > With other estates, I've seen property listings, receipts for lawyer > fees, etc. With this one I found nothing. Someone wrote on the front of > the will "Closed-up apparently" which leads me to believe they found no > paperwork subsequent to the affidavit dated 9 May 1843, either. > > > > This would be easy to figure out if the minor child's name remained > "Reselaer L" as his father gave it to be, but I believe that this child > becomes the James, that is shown, on the 1850 Census as the youngest child > of Lawrence and Maria. James and Renselaer seem to share the same birth > year. > > > > Why were there no guardianship papers filed? Why was a 'guardian' > necessary with the child's mother still alive? > > > > If anyone can help me clarify this situation, I'd appreciate it. > > > > Sincerely, > > Patricia > > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/07 > 4:36 PM > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/07 4:36 PM > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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SNIPPET: After 1820, three-fourths of the Irish who came to America were Roman Catholics, and by 1920 the devotion and donations of immigrants had transformed Catholicism in the States from a tiny, insignificant church into America's largest and wealthiest denomination. In return, Catholicism became the immigrants' greatest source of solace and pride. >From 1853 to 1855, Fr. James DONNELLY, a priest - and later a bishop - in Ulster visited America to collect funds for Ireland's new Catholic university. His diary entries illustrate the immigrants' religious faith as well as the harshness of their lives: 15 Dec 1853: Reading, Pennsylvania. Oh! The poor Irish. Met six of them carrying the body of a carpenter who fell off a railroad bridge. 22 Jan 1854: Pottstown, Pennsylvania. Said Mass for the miners, all from Mayo and Sligo, in a shanty church, wind whistling through it. Never felt such cold. 23 Feb 1854: Summit, Pennsylvania. More Irish miners - good, simple people but behind the times, still fear ghosts... 16 July 1854: Cohoes, New York. Sang High Mass, preached at both Masses. Got $233 cash, all from servants and factory girls. 14 Nov 1854: Boston, Massachusetts: Yesterday election day in this state. "Know-Nothings" won by immense majority. Awful times at hand, I fear. 21 Dec 1854: Portsmouth, New Hampshire: Many Irish here, but as yet no church or priests. Attended a dying Irishman who burst into tears when he saw me. His room full of people, praying for him to live until a priest would come. Died before midnight. Never saw a clearer proof of God's mercy. -- Excerpts, K. & P. Miller, "Journey of Hope: The Story of Irish Immigration to America" (2001).

I have updated the County Down births on my website. the Flax and Griffiths for County Down is now also working these can be got from the website nav bar, and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

I have a g-grandmother, Anne Maley, who married Michael Colfer here in the States . . . she was baptized at Rathangan, Co. Wexford, in 1846, and left Ireland with Michael in the Summer of 1866 . . . they were married in the States a couple of months after their arrival . . . her baptismal record places her townland as Baldwinstown. I have lots of missing pieces in my family tree research, and would love to know if there is a connection here . . . my Anne Maley's parents were Bryan and Mary (Neil) Maley. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Joe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Last Will and Testament and other documents...Ohio Patricia, My ggrandmother (Rose Ann "Annie" GORMAN MALEY RATHBONE) appointed her father (Philip GORMAN) as guardian of her three children after her husband (Edward MALEY, Jr.) and their father died at a young age (32) so that each year she could and did charge and submit a bill for their school supplies, medical, clothing and etc. She also had married and had 2 children by her second husband. Even when her daughter (Nellie) died she charged the estate of her first husband for burial, doctor and etc. of her death at age 11. When my grandfather (James MALEY) reached the age of 21, what was left in his father's estate it was divided in half and the balance was held for his younger brother (Philip Edward "Spot" MALEY , but the mother still charged for the care of her youngest son. When he reached 21 yrs of age he got the balance of his father's estate that was left. I really have hard feelings towards her for being so greedy (My ggrandmother). Patricia MALEY-CURTIS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] Last Will and Testament and other documents...Ohio > My GrUn James DALY wrote his last W & T, 11 Dec 1842. It was properly witnessed, and then signed by a Judge. It appointed a guardian for his minor child, although his wife was still young and alive, and named this guardian as the Will's executor also. This person's name was Francis Moran. > > On 9 May 1843, James' wife, Ana Maria went before the Court of Common Pleas, and had the Judge who signed the Will, 'affirm' that he was present at the signing of the Will, and that indeed it was James' signature on the handwritten will. This created another paper document. > > My assumptions: James died before 9 May 1843. > My GRgf, Lawrence moved into the household after his brother's death, married Ana Maria, and therefore, there was no need for an execution of the will. I don't find any papers indicating that Francis Moran became a guardian of James and Ana's minor son. > > My questions: What other papers would have been present to show the Will's execution? > > With other estates, I've seen property listings, receipts for lawyer fees, etc. With this one I found nothing. Someone wrote on the front of the will "Closed-up apparently" which leads me to believe they found no paperwork subsequent to the affidavit dated 9 May 1843, either. > > This would be easy to figure out if the minor child's name remained "Reselaer L" as his father gave it to be, but I believe that this child becomes the James, that is shown, on the 1850 Census as the youngest child of Lawrence and Maria. James and Renselaer seem to share the same birth year. > > Why were there no guardianship papers filed? Why was a 'guardian' necessary with the child's mother still alive? > > If anyone can help me clarify this situation, I'd appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > Patricia > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/07 4:36 PM > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/07 4:36 PM ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

You might try Michael Purcell in Carlow, he may or may not be willing to look it up. [email protected] Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] Tracing death at sea > Our great grandfather died at sea about 1858-60. He was Edward Brennan > from > Tullow, Carlow. b. 21 Oct 1809. married to Bridget O'Neal of the same > area. > They had 9 children who lived around Auburn, NY before moving westward. We > are > hoping to find someone to go through the newpapers at Carlow library to > see if > there might be some news of the death and burial at sea. > > Please contact me, if you can help. We would be very appreciative of > your > assistance, > > Kathryn L. Smith > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janet, Thanks for the message concerning the Holloway family in Ireland. Sorry for the delay in responding to it. I do not know much about my Holloway family. My 2nd Great-Grandmother was Eliza Holloway born in about the 1830’s. She married Patrick Burke in County Tipperary. I have heard that there might have been a Holloway/Holway cousin that was a bishop in Ireland. I am guessing in the 19th century. At some point I would like to research this Holloway family from County Tipperary and find where they came from in Ireland. I will let you know if I find anything that connects our Holloway families. Thanks Neil, _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG

Curtis, Thank you for the message! Sorry for the delay in responding. Unfortunately, I have not gone back as far as the 18th century yet. I only have brief information on my 2nd Great-Grandmother Eliza Holloway born in about the 1830’s. She married Patrick Burke in County Tipperary. She may have had a Holloway cousin that became a bishop in Ireland. If I am able to research my Holloway ancestors back to the 18th century and find similar names, I will let you know. Thanks again, Neil _________________________________________________________________ Valentine’s Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline

Jerry, Thanks very much for the information. I do not know much about my Holloway/Holway ancestors. My 2nd Great-Grandmother was Eliza Holloway born in about the 1830’s. She married Patrick Burke in County Tipperary. I have heard that there might have been a Holloway/Holway cousin that was a bishop in Ireland. I am guessing in the 19th century. I am also guessing that the Holloways might have come from Galway or Mayo at some point but I really have no idea. If you find any additional information I would be eager to hear about it. Thanks again, Neil _________________________________________________________________ Get Hilary Duff’s homepage with her photos, music, and more. http://celebrities.live.com

I have a general question about deaths at sea. I recently looked at a ship manifest in about 1846 which contained my ancestors. The mother and three of the children are listed with the word "died" next to their names. Were these people typically buried at sea when they died? "Jean R." <[email protected]> wrote: MARITIME RECORDS: From 1864 up to the present, the General Register Office has kept a separate 'Marine Register' of births and deaths of Irish subjects which took place at sea. From 1886 only, a printed index to this register is bound into the back of the births and death index for each year. For earlier registers, the indexes have to be requested from the staff in the Office. No separate register was kept for marriages at sea. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] Tracing death at sea > Our great grandfather died at sea about 1858-60. He was Edward Brennan > from > Tullow, Carlow. b. 21 Oct 1809. married to Bridget O'Neal of the same > area. > They had 9 children who lived around Auburn, NY before moving westward. We > are > hoping to find someone to go through the newpapers at Carlow library to > see if > there might be some news of the death and burial at sea. > > Please contact me, if you can help. We would be very appreciative of > your > assistance, > > Kathryn L. Smith > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

SNIPPET: In the May-June 1998 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazines readers again shared their thoughts on the "Emerald Isle." Tucker ASHLEY, Perry Point, MD, wrote: 'During one period of my life I rented a room from an Irish couple from Co. Cork in the seaside town of Ocean City, NJ. The warmth and wisdom they extended to me during that period continues to influence me in 'matters of the heart.' I do have Irish blood in my veins, but until I had experienced Irish people first-hand I didn't believe I had a soul! I recently received your Sept-Oct 1997 IOTW issue. The photograph on page 24 (John CARLOS, Inisbofin Island) is a small masterpiece. The articles are illuminating. Hopefully, someday in the foreseeable future, I'll be hoisting a toast to my 'Irish' parents at Oliver St. John GOGARTY pub in Temple Bar, Dublin. I'll probably have a copy of 'Dubliners' under my arm ...." Catherine RYAN, Narrabeen, NSW, Australia shared: 'Your article on Michael COLLINS, 'Delirium of the Brave,' Jan-Feb 1997 revived happy memories of my last visit to Dublin. I was residing in London at that time and had planned an Irish holiday with my English friend, with particular interest in viewing the paintings by Sir John LAVERY which were on exhibition there. On arrival in Dublin we wasted no time and at the earliest opportunity we went to visit the Art Gallery. On a general tour of their wide and delightful collection our interest focused on a small painting donated by the EARL of DROGHEDA, who was a patron of the Gallery then, as far as I can recall. My friend was particularly interested as at the time she was private secretary to the Earl who was Director of the Opera House at Covent Garden. When we finally reached the hall containing the COLLINS painting we were devastated to find it closed to the public for cataloguing . As we were leaving, I had a 'brain-wave' and sought out the guard on duty and informed him of my friend's background. To our delight the gallery was opened up and we had a private viewing of almost VIP status. It made our day! All the best wishes with the publication of your delightful magazine." Katie PERREAULT, Schenectady, NY, penned: "The Jan-Feb 1998 issue was filled with messages and memories of my heritage and wonderful visit to Ireland in 1985. I am descended from the FURLONG, DOYLE, and SINNOTs of Co. Wexford. Although four generations removed from a Wexford birth, I was raised on stories of the 'troubles' and was thrilled to visit Vinegar Hill while in Ireland. My ancestors' stories of Enniscorthy and New Ross were passed down through my grandmother, as a result I read with great interest 'For the Green Again.' I further enjoyed the article on the Avoca Handweavers. The pictures of Powerscourt awoke vivid memories of a beautiful June afternoon I spent there." Pamela CAROLAN, Sherman, TX, wrote: "I thoroughly enjoyed the article 'With a Whistle and a Prayer' in the Nov-Dec 1997 issue. Before reading the story, I glanced at the picture on page 35 and the first thought that came to mind was that I had been in that room. When I read the caption that the picture was of Rev. Gary HASTINGS playing his flute in Matt MOLLOY's pub, my suspicions were confirmed! My husband and I visited Ireland for the first time in March 1997. Westport was one of the most enjoyable stops of our tour. Of course, Galway, Ballyshannon, Kilkenny and Kinsale were delightful, too. We arrived in Westport mid-afternoon and began a walking tour of the town. One of the first people to welcome us as we strolled along, was the local Catholic priest. Later on we came across a rather colourful character called Mick LAVELL, who invited us to come along to Matt MOLLOY's where there would be 'trad' music that evening. Unfortunately, it was after 11 pm by the time the musicians began playing and the backroom was completely filled up with cigarette smoke. The music was wonderful but our burning eyes forced us to leave earlier than we wanted.... We are making our second trip to Ireland in January 1998 with a group from Sherman's Austin College. This time we will be staying with a family in Dublin for two weeks and taking classes at Trinity College. We anticipate having another delightful experience that we will cherish for years to come." (My comment: I believe there is now some type of smoking ban in Ireland.) Colleen O. STOLPE, Bozrah, CT, shared: .... "The Nov-Dec 1997 issue contained an article 'The Queenstown Story' .... when I saw the picture of St. Colman's Cathedral it bought to mind the trip to Ireland that my husband Brett and I took in Feb 1994. We had been trying to conceive a child for seven years prior to that trip without success. One of the areas we toured was Cobh, which we enjoyed, especially St. Colman's Cathederal. It was absolutely beautiful! After we spent some time there it was time to get back on the tour bus. The bus driver asked everyone if they had made a wish. We were kind of confused. He then explained that every time you go into a church that you have never been in before, you are supposed to make a wish. My wish was have a baby by the end of the year. Our daughter Erin was born in November. We look forward to bringing her to Ireland and hope she enjoys it as much as we did!"

Hi Neil, When I checked MacLysaght's Surnames Of Ireland, the entry for Holloway/Holway says see Halvey. The (O) Halvey entry says that O'Halvey is from Ó hAilmhic (noble son) in Cos. Galway and Mayo. But in Leinster, Halvey is a form of Holloway which is "an old Anglo-Irish name." Unfortunately, the ancestors you mention were in Tipperary (part of Munster) and so not Galway, Mayo, nor Leinster. Leaves me stumped. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, - Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Neil Van Alstyne Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRISH-AMER] Hawley/Hally/Holway/Holloway I have been looking at some of the posts concerning the Hawley surname. I have Holloway/Holway ancestors that were also from County Tipperary. My Holloway/Holway ancestors were from Stonepark, Glen of Aherlow, County Tipperary, Ireland. I am wondering if there is any connection between Hawley and Holway? Also, if there is no connection, I am wondering if someone knows the history and origin of the Holloway/Holway family in Ireland. Thanks! Neil _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtaglin e_donation&FORM=WLMTAG ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message