Thanks to this month's Irish Heritage Newsletter. BOUCICAULT, DION (1820-1890), Irish actor and playwright, was born in Dublin on the 26th of December 1820, the son of a French refugee and an Irish mother. Before he was twenty he was fortunate enough to make an immediate success as a dramatist with London Assurance, produced at Covent Garden on the 4th of March, 1841, with a cast that included Charles Matthews, William Farren, Mrs. Nesbitt and Madame Vestris. In 1853 he and his wife emigrated to America. He traveled and performed widely before moving to New York City. On his return to England in 1869, he produced at the Adelphi a dramatic adaptation of Gerald Griffin's novel, The Comedians, entitled Colleen Bawn. This play, one of the most successful of modern times, was performed in almost every city in the United Kingdom and the United States, and made its author a handsome fortune, which he lost in the management of various London theatres. Boucicault's next marked success was at the Princess' theatre in 1865 with Arrah-na-Pogue, in which he played the part of a Wicklow carman. This is where the 1800 street ballad version The Wearing Of the Green is best-known. Arrah-na-Pogue won him the reputation of being the best stage Irishman of his time. In 1875 he returned to New York City and finally made his home there. He died in New York on September 18th, 1890. THE WEARING OF THE GREEN O Paddy dear, and did you hear the news that's going round? The shamrock is forbid by law to grow on Irish ground; St. Patrick's day no more we'll keep, his colours can't be seen, For there's a bloody law against the wearing of the green. I met with Napper Tandy, and he took me by the hand, And he said, "How's poor old Ireland, and how does she stand?" She's the most distressful country that ever yet was seen, They are hanging men and women for the wearing of the green. Then since the colour we must wear is England's cruel red, Sure Ireland's sons will ne'er forget the blood that they have shed. You may take the shamrock from your hat and cast it on the sod, But 'twill take root and flourish there, though under foot 'tis trod. When law can stop the blades of grass from growing as they grow, And when the leaves in summer-time their verdure dare not show, Then I will change the colour that I wear in my caubeen, But 'till that day, please God, I'll stick to wearing of the green. But if at last our colour should be torn from Ireland's heart, Her sons with shame and sorrow from the dear old isle will part; I've heard a whisper of a country that lies beyond the sea, Where rich and poor stand equal in the light of freedom's day. O Erin, must we leave you, driven by a tyrant's hand? Must we ask a mother's blessing from a strange and distant land? Where the cruel cross of England shall nevermore be seen, And where, please God, we'll live and die still wearing of the green The Irish drama Arrah Na Pogue, by E. H. House and Dion Boucicoult, featured "Wearing of the Green," as arranged by S. Behrens and sung by John Edwin McDonough in 1865. This fact has led some to give composer credit to Boucicoult. -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi Cathy, What are the dates, locations of the entries you found? Ireland? Consider that you may have data for a couple different families given the repetition of surnames and given names. Perhaps a child was born to Timothy's widow who had subsequently remarried? (It wasn't unusual for a widow to have remarried her late husband's brother, etc.) Your local LDS (Mormon) Family History Center has access to many original church (and other) records on microfilm and microfiche that anyone can take a look at. If a particular record isn't found on site, they will send for it for you from their centralized record repository. They may also have additional data on particular IGI entries in their computerized records -- i.e., a particular town, rather than a registration district, etc. Since I don't have a paid subscription to Ancestry.com, I have chosen to go in to my local FHC (as a non-Mormon) to work on genealogy. When I found entries of interest on an IGI index of births and christenings in Co. Leitrim (and I had heard that the family had roots in Drumshanbo area), I visited my local LDS (Mormon) Family History Center library. Volunteers were able to obtain for me from Salt Lake City in a few days (and for a rental fee of less than four dollars) a microfilm with ORIGINAL church records for several Leitrim churches including the one I was most interested in. They helped determine what I needed, did the paperwork, called me when the microfilm came in - helped me get the microfilm in and out of the reader - assisted me in any way that they could. I had goosebumps as I gazed on the handwritten pages of the original (somewhat tattered) little black church record book for St. Pat's chapel in Drumshanbo. Names of children along with parents' names were written in Latin in chronological order that included the names of two witnesses to the circa mid-1860s events -- apparently related family members as most had the same surnames as the bride and groom. There were odd notations in the margins including references to particular towns. One page was an alphabetical index for children born to particular couples. While scrolling through the various church records on the entire microfilm I saw that some were more legible that others depending on the handwriting of the person recording the original entries. With the help of a LDS volunteer, I was able to photocopy pages directly from the microfilm for a small charge, take them with me to examine more closely at home at my leisure. The LDS FHCs have readers with magnifying features and also magnifying glasses you can use on request. They have a library of reference books including a key to Latin names. I have spent many pleasant hours there in the past. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Connelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS >I also have a question about names. One of my ancestors is shown on all > census forms as Timothy, his wife on land records as widow of Timothy, but > on one child's death record , father's name is shown as Patrick. Any > thoughts on which would have been the "first" name? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Hess" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS > > <snip>

This is from the Irish Heritage Newsletter, but now the way I heard about the history of corned beef & cabbage that I always heard. The History and Irish Tradition of Corned Beef There are few things better than simmering corned beef with carrots, onions, potatoes and spices. According to the US department of Agriculture Originally "Corned Beef and Cabbage" was a traditional dish served for Easter Sunday dinner in rural Ireland. The beef, because there was no refrigeration at that time was salted or brined during the winter to preserve it, It was then eaten after the long, meatless Lenten fast. However other Irish people feel that Corned Beef and cabbage is about as Irish as Spaghetti and meatballs. That beef was a real delicacy usually served only to the kings. According to Bridgett Haggerty of the website Irish Cultres and Customs she says that their research shows that most likely a "bacon joint" or a piece of salted pork boiled with cabbage and potatoes would more likely have shown up for an Easter Sunday feast in the rural parts of Ireland. Since the advent of refrigeration, the trend in Ireland is to eat fresh meats. Today this peasant dish is more popular in the United States than in Ireland. Irish-Americans and lots of other people eat it on St. Patrick's Day, Ireland's principal feast day, as a nostalgic reminder of their Irish heritage. Corning is a form of curing; it has nothing to do with corn. The name comes from Anglo-Saxon times before refrigeration. In those days, the meat was dry-cured in coarse "corns" of salt. Pellets of salt, some the size of kernels of corn, were rubbed into the beef to keep it from spoiling and to preserve it. Today brining -- the use of salt water -- has replaced the dry salt cure, but the name "corned beef" is still used, rather than "brined" or "pickled" beef. Commonly used spices that give corned beef its distinctive flavor are peppercorns and bay leaf. Of course, these spices may vary regionally. http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/2Kitch/aCBeefCabge.html http://www.kitchenproject.com/history/CornedBeef.htm -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Pat, would your book have anything to say about the name, or "nicknames" > for, Simon? Sorry, I can't do this while in Florida. I get home the last week of March so if you post this again the first week of April, I'll do the lookup when I get home where all my books are. -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Did people born in Ireland have middle names or was that something that started in the US? This is about Catholics: I think that the Irish have had middle names for a long while, even in Ireland, as the middle name is usually given at baptism. I don't know about Ireland, but in the US a Confirmation Ceremony is done about 14 years of age, at which we take another name. These names are usually names of saints of certain characteristics that we wish to attach to ourselves for lifetime guidance. Typically, the name given at baptism becomes the middle name, and the Confirmation name is important within religious ceremonies. My father was Richard Charles James Daly. He only went by Richard Charles Daly.

I also have a question about names. One of my ancestors is shown on all census forms as Timothy, his wife on land records as widow of Timothy, but on one child's death record , father's name is shown as Patrick. Any thoughts on which would have been the "first" name? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hess" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS >I have another question about Irish naming patterns that is a bit >different. I have read about the typical naming patterns for boys vs >girls, and have read comments that there may be some variations to the >pattern in different areas of Ireland. But my question is about the use of >middle names. I see Irish families on Census records where there is a 1st >and last name for the parents who were born in Ireland and moved to the US, >but then start to see 1st and middle names for some of their children born >in the US, though usually no middle names for the first child or two. Did >people born in Ireland have middle names or was that something that started >in the US? Just wondering if anyone knows about that. > > > [email protected] wrote: On the subject of names: A certain SIMON > REYNOLDS has proven fairly elusive > and I have wondered for the last four years whether or not he might > actually > have been named something else and just called Simon. > > Pat, would your book have anything to say about the name, or "nicknames" > for, Simon? > > He would have been born about 1820, probably in the east of County > Galway, > and was Catholic. > > Thank you, > Sheila > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and > hotel bargains. > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the subject of names: A certain SIMON REYNOLDS has proven fairly elusive and I have wondered for the last four years whether or not he might actually have been named something else and just called Simon. Pat, would your book have anything to say about the name, or "nicknames" for, Simon? He would have been born about 1820, probably in the east of County Galway, and was Catholic. Thank you, Sheila <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Jean, This is interesting. My family was Catholic. I'm not sure really what their economic status was in Ireland, but maybe I will find this out soon, if I'm able to pinpoint their townland of origin. I'm not completely sure of their education or economic status in the US - it seemed to be a bit mixed from what I've found. I'll see what I can find about middle names that might point to the mother's maiden name. Thanks! Linda "Jean R." <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, Linda -- I believe that children of better-educated, well-to-do (often Protestant) families were most often found to have middle names on Irish records and in literature. An unusual first or middle name for a son could be a surname important to the family such as mother's maiden ("nee") surname. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hess" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS >I have another question about Irish naming patterns that is a bit >different. I have read about the typical naming patterns for boys vs >girls, and have read comments that there may be some variations to the >pattern in different areas of Ireland. But my question is about the use of >middle names. I see Irish families on Census records where there is a 1st >and last name for the parents who were born in Ireland and moved to the US, >but then start to see 1st and middle names for some of their children born >in the US, though usually no middle names for the first child or two. Did >people born in Ireland have middle names or was that something that started >in the US? Just wondering if anyone knows about that. ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.

Hi, Linda -- I believe that children of better-educated, well-to-do (often Protestant) families were most often found to have middle names on Irish records and in literature. An unusual first or middle name for a son could be a surname important to the family such as mother's maiden ("nee") surname. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hess" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] NAME VERSIONS >I have another question about Irish naming patterns that is a bit >different. I have read about the typical naming patterns for boys vs >girls, and have read comments that there may be some variations to the >pattern in different areas of Ireland. But my question is about the use of >middle names. I see Irish families on Census records where there is a 1st >and last name for the parents who were born in Ireland and moved to the US, >but then start to see 1st and middle names for some of their children born >in the US, though usually no middle names for the first child or two. Did >people born in Ireland have middle names or was that something that started >in the US? Just wondering if anyone knows about that. <snip>

I have another question about Irish naming patterns that is a bit different. I have read about the typical naming patterns for boys vs girls, and have read comments that there may be some variations to the pattern in different areas of Ireland. But my question is about the use of middle names. I see Irish families on Census records where there is a 1st and last name for the parents who were born in Ireland and moved to the US, but then start to see 1st and middle names for some of their children born in the US, though usually no middle names for the first child or two. Did people born in Ireland have middle names or was that something that started in the US? Just wondering if anyone knows about that. [email protected] wrote: On the subject of names: A certain SIMON REYNOLDS has proven fairly elusive and I have wondered for the last four years whether or not he might actually have been named something else and just called Simon. Pat, would your book have anything to say about the name, or "nicknames" for, Simon? He would have been born about 1820, probably in the east of County Galway, and was Catholic. Thank you, Sheila ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.

LETTER: July 6, 1865 - 31 Cheapside, Box 1193, Baltimore, Maryland, USA: "My dear Brother, you will doubtless think it strange that I have not written to you since my brief note after the fall of Richmond. The fact is I have been so unsettled since that time and not knowing where I should make a permanent location, that I deferred writing. The business portion of the city having been burnt, the chance of getting a suitable place was small. Under these circumstances, I had serious thoughts of returning to Ireland and could I have heard from you at that time I believe I should have gone - much as I disliked going back no better than when I started; though throughout all I did manage to save enough to take me there. About the same time a friend in Baltimore wrote me that if I were to go there immediately I could get a situation. Baltimore is much larger than any place I have lived in and is a city of considerable commercial importance. Its trade was chiefly from the Southern States and consequently since the war began it has been very much curtailed. With the dawn of peace - that great blessing - it is expected the old trade will be resumed and the merchants are looking hopefully forward. The State of Maryland was originally settled by Catholics and Baltimore is pre-eminently a Catholic city. There are at least twenty regular Churches and almost as many religious seminaries and institutions - the whole presided over by an Archbishop - Rt. Rev M. J. SPALDING - a man of great erudition. An advertisement for a bookkeeper appeared in one of the morning papers, and upon an examination of my letters of recommendation, (I was) engaged with the firm at a rate of $1,000 a year, to be increased next fall,should their business anticipations be realized It is a first class house, old and well established. I am now in it over two weeks and find it pleasant in every respect. Trade is slack at present, but a heavy business is expected in the autumn. I enclose a business card. I thought of writing you a brief sketch of the events of the past four years; but when events which succeed each other so rapidly as they have done here pass away, the interest they excite pass with them. The fall of Richmond - the surrender of General LEE and his army, and the subsequent surrender of all the armies of the Confederacy; the capture of Jeff DAVIS and other rebel leaders, the assassination of President LINCOLN in the hour of triumph, the capture and death of his assassin, are matters of history, which you have doubtless read in the newspapers long since. My own connection with the confederacy was more accidental than otherwise. In October 1861, I was offered a situation as clerk in the Adjutant and Inspector General's Office in the War Department. As SHERWOOD and YOUNG closed business early in April in order to join the army, and as the position was at that time considered a respectable one, I accepted it and retained it until Richmond was evacuated. I was very soon promoted to be chief clerk in the office and was treated with great consideration and kindness by the officers My duties were of a high order; I had to superintend the other clerks of the office and was charged with the primary examination of all papers coming to the office; their proper reference and action, either by endorsing or otherwise - the Adjutant-General or his assistant merely signing the answer after it was prepared. In fact, I was performing all the duties of an Assistant Adjutant-General who usually ranked as Colonel - without the rank or emoluments. Of course, the position screened me from conscription and consequently from the army and therefore I was compelled to remain, though I could have done much better out of the office, if permitted. I was also favoured in not being asked to join any military organisation; all the other clerks had to form themselves into a local defence corps, which was called up for duty whenever the enemy made a 'raid' near Richmond, and were often kept in the trenches for three to four weeks at a time. The approach of the enemy or rather the 'raid,' as it was generally termed, was announced by the ringing of the bells of the city - often at midnight. This was the signal for all capable of bearing arms - which meant all able to carry a musket, no matter what his age or condition - to turn out en-masse to meet the foe. Guards were then placed on every corner, and no person allowed to escape unless he could show some special exemption signed by half a dozen generals. It was ludicrous to see the heterogeneous crowd collected together in this way and still more so to think that soldiers could be made of such material. Of course this was independent of the inevitable conscription, which took all between the ages of 17 and 50, it was sifting the chaff after the corn had been taken away. Towards the last, my salary in the War Department was $500 a month, and I made $300 outside of the office, in keeping books - this you will say was doing well and so it was, in figures, but it took it all to live - to buy the necessaries of life - the luxuries were not thought of. A few specimens of the ruling up races at that time may not be uninteresting: a cloth coat $1,200 to $1,500, pantaloons $300 to $800, boots $300 to $800, flour $1,500 per barrel of 200 lbs, bacon $25, butter $20, sugar $25, tea $150 and coffee $50 per pound. Eighty dollars in Confederate currency was only equal to one dollar in gold. I know not to which side your sympathies leaned during the unhappy contest, for my own part I was opposed to secession from the commencement. I pity the South, her people are brave and generous and they have suffered severely. They not only lose their primary cause of the war - their slaves - but nearly everything possessed by them that has been swept away by the ravages of war. They are now accepting the arbitrament of battle and settling down to their usual avocations as gracefully as circumstances will admit - wiser, if not richer men. What real benefit will accrue to the slave from his freedom is yet to be tested. The generally accepted opinion is that, like the Indian, they will be gradually exterminated as they must give way to the labouring whiteman whenever they come in competition. This will give a new impetus to emigration, for already they are endeavoring to procure white labourers to the exclusion of the blacks - not caring to pay their own slaves, who are often insolent now that they are emancipated. I hope you will be able to read this letter; it is written under disadvantages arising from constant interruption. The weather, too, is intensely hot,and perspiration threatens to obliterate the words as they are written. My kind love to all, Your affectionate brother Michael." -- The original handwritten letter from 1865 was passed down to Peggy O'KELLY (age 85 in 1994), granddaughter of Stephen KELLY of Dundalk (Louth) to whom the letter was written. Full of history, this Baltimore letter was subsequently sent to Cork's "Irish Roots" magazine by Mrs. Paula KELLY, Secretary of Raheny Heritage Society, Dublin, and was edited and appeared in the 1994 #4 issue.

My Great -Grandfather was called Bryan but his son & grandsons were sometimes called Bernard. He was from the Aran Islands. Barb <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

QUOTE: I'm not sure about your first question, but I can give you a yes to the second. I had a gr-gfr., Bernard, who was called "Barney", and a friend, Bernadette, called "Bernie". Fran Weeks Bernie is indeed a "nickname" for Bernard. My in-laws have a friend, Bernard, and he always goes by "Bernie". On a genealogical note, my grandfather was named Barnard Joseph Daly at birth, but probably only used the name in school. When on his own, he used the form "Joseph Bernard" even changing the "a" to "e" which is the more popular form. I went to grade school with a Bernard, born in the early 1950's of Slovak parents, but never hear the name anymore. It's funny this conversation came up. In Cleveland last week, a radio station was having a tongue-in-cheek survey about the name Bernard, and asked the question as to whether anyone knew living Bernards. They asked people to call in. I couldn't listen very long, so I don't know how the survey turned out. Patricia

I was named Bernard but always called Brian. I live in Ireland Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Bernard english version of Irish Bryan? >> Previously I was looking for Irish variations of Bernard, when maybe I >> should have been looking for Irish names that would have been changed to >> Bernard in the new world so as to make a name that was not "too Irish". >> > > > Acording to the book, Irish First Names by Ronan Coghlan > > Bernard (Bearnard), male, Germanic, 'bear stern'. Bernard is used in > Ireland to anglicise Brian and Beircheart (the latter is itself originally > Anglo-Saxon). It persistes to this day, but is growing less popular. > > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 05/03/2007 > 09:41 > >

In my family my great-grandfather's name was written in the church records with both names Bernard and Brian his father before him was name Brian but the name past in the family was Bernard, so confusing!! Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Weeks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Bernard english version of Irish Bryan? > I'm not sure about your first question, but I can give you a yes to the > second. I had a gr-gfr., Bernard, who was called "Barney", and a friend, > Bernadette, called "Bernie". > Fran Weeks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Bernard english version of Irish Bryan? > > >> Hi Listers - Just curious -- Is "Bernie" a nickname for Bernard? If so, >> is >> it also found as a nickname for Bernadette, etc? Jean >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pat Connors" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Bernard english version of Irish Bryan? >> >> >>>> Previously I was looking for Irish variations of Bernard, when maybe I >>>> should have been looking for Irish names that would have been changed >>>> to >>>> Bernard in the new world so as to make a name that was not "too Irish". >>>> >>> >>> >>> Acording to the book, Irish First Names by Ronan Coghlan >>> >>> Bernard (Bearnard), male, Germanic, 'bear stern'. Bernard is used in >>> Ireland to anglicise Brian and Beircheart (the latter is itself >>> originally >>> Anglo-Saxon). It persistes to this day, but is growing less popular. >>> >>> >> >> >> ====Irish American Mailing List===== >> Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname >> Registry >> at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure about your first question, but I can give you a yes to the second. I had a gr-gfr., Bernard, who was called "Barney", and a friend, Bernadette, called "Bernie". Fran Weeks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Bernard english version of Irish Bryan? > Hi Listers - Just curious -- Is "Bernie" a nickname for Bernard? If so, > is > it also found as a nickname for Bernadette, etc? Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Connors" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Bernard english version of Irish Bryan? > > >>> Previously I was looking for Irish variations of Bernard, when maybe I >>> should have been looking for Irish names that would have been changed to >>> Bernard in the new world so as to make a name that was not "too Irish". >>> >> >> >> Acording to the book, Irish First Names by Ronan Coghlan >> >> Bernard (Bearnard), male, Germanic, 'bear stern'. Bernard is used in >> Ireland to anglicise Brian and Beircheart (the latter is itself >> originally >> Anglo-Saxon). It persistes to this day, but is growing less popular. >> >> > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers - Just curious -- Is "Bernie" a nickname for Bernard? If so, is it also found as a nickname for Bernadette, etc? Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] Bernard english version of Irish Bryan? >> Previously I was looking for Irish variations of Bernard, when maybe I >> should have been looking for Irish names that would have been changed to >> Bernard in the new world so as to make a name that was not "too Irish". >> > > > Acording to the book, Irish First Names by Ronan Coghlan > > Bernard (Bearnard), male, Germanic, 'bear stern'. Bernard is used in > Ireland to anglicise Brian and Beircheart (the latter is itself originally > Anglo-Saxon). It persistes to this day, but is growing less popular. > >

For many years I have been unable to find the ship that my Bernard Cullen used from Ireland to Philadelphia. Last night I accidentally stumbled on a ship entry for Bryan Cullen with the right age and right arrival timeframe. I'm checking the rest of the passenger list, but could this be him? Previously I was looking for Irish variations of Bernard, when maybe I should have been looking for Irish names that would have been changed to Bernard in the new world so as to make a name that was not "too Irish". Jim Cullen Genealogy - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jimcullen/ Trains - http://jim-cullen.tripod.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117

> Previously I was looking for Irish variations of Bernard, when maybe I > should have been looking for Irish names that would have been changed to > Bernard in the new world so as to make a name that was not "too Irish". > Acording to the book, Irish First Names by Ronan Coghlan Bernard (Bearnard), male, Germanic, 'bear stern'. Bernard is used in Ireland to anglicise Brian and Beircheart (the latter is itself originally Anglo-Saxon). It persistes to this day, but is growing less popular. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

The County Down births on my website have been updated, there is also a link on the main index page of the website for Towns and Parishes of County Down, thanks to the work of Ned kelly, and the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com