RÉ: AN GAEL BREISE! RANG GAEILGE AG TOSÚ I SAN DIEGO 3/23/07 RE: AN GAEL EXTRA! IRISH CLASS STARTING IN SAN DIEGO 3/23/07 A chairde, Tá áthas ar Chumann Carad na Gaeilge fógraí a scaipeadh faoi ranganna agus imeachtaí na Gaeilge mar seo thíos. Le bhur dtoil, insigí dúinn faoi bhur n-eachtraí ionas gur féidir linn poiblíocht shaor in aisce a dhéanamh daoibh. Tá an teachtaireacht seo á seoladh chuig eagraíochtaí cultúrtha Éireannacha i Meiriceá Thuaidh agus chuig breis agus 160 múinteoir, scoil, agus eagraíocht na Gaeilge i Meiriceá Thuaidh amháin. / The Philo-Celtic Society is pleased to spread the word about Irish language classes and events like this one below. Please tell us about your activities so that we can do free publicity for you. This announcement is going out to Irish cultural organizations in North America and to more than 160 Irish language teachers, schools, and organizations in North America alone. Le gach dea-ghuí, Gearóid Ó Ceallaigh / Jerry Kelly Rúnaí Fógraíochta / Publicity Secretary Cumann Carad na Gaeilge / The Philo-Celtic Society <http://www.philo-celtic.com> www.philo-celtic.com AN GAEL BREISE! / AN GAEL EXTRA! An Gael - Iris na Gaeilge ó 1881 / An Gael - An Irish language publication since 1881 <http://philo-celtic.com/strengtheningcommunity.html> http://philo-celtic.com/strengtheningcommunity.html <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/angael/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/angael/ FÓGRA Tá bunrang Gaeilge nua ag tosú i San Diego 23ú Márta. Beidh an rang ar siúl ag Teach na hÉireann i mBalboa Park gach Aoine ón 7 go dtí a 9 a chlog sa tráthnóna. Is é suíomh idirlín Tí na hÉireann ná <http://www.houseofireland.org> http://www.houseofireland.org . Do bhreis eolais, teagmhaigh le Shanti Hofshi ag 858-395-1399 nó [email protected] . ANNOUNCEMENT There is a new beginning Irish class starting in San Diego on March 23rd. The class will be every Friday from 7 - 9 p.m. at the House of Ireland in Balboa Park. The web site for the House of Ireland is at <http://www.houseofireland.org> http://www.houseofireland.org . For additional information, contact Shanti Hofshi at 858-395-1399 or <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] . Cumann Carad na Gaeilge Ag obair d'athbheochan domhanda na Gaeilge!

The publication is organized into chapters, a chapter to a particular state happenings within the family, including Chapter One, "CLAN FERRILL, in Mississippi. About 90% of the text deals with happenings in Jackson County, with brief mentions of Counties George, Pearl River, Kemper as to family connections in those counties. I have an updated version, which is attached, almost ready to go to Pat Creel, after a few minor spelling errors have been corrected. I think Pat Creel has now accepted responsibility for coordinating information relating to George County, in addition to retaining responsibility for Jackson County. I have prepared "Micosfot Office-Excel" format aspreadsheet on all persons named in the article, which includes about 235 names, witha few more pending inclusion. Without making a detailed check, I would guess that far more than half have to do with residents of Jackson/Geroge counties. I think this could be of interest to members of the clan (extended family) in the coverage area of your newspaper. Please let me know whether I might be of assistance. E. Ferrill McKee

I looked at the 1880 census - He was living with his brother Lawrence. Lawrence wife Catherine age 40, 2 daughters, Mary age 14, Annie age 7 His brother Lawrence is in the 1878/9 Kingston Directory as a mason, house on St. Mary's St near Chambers St. Thought maybe you could find him looking for Lawrence. luck in your search, Kathy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Monday March 19 at 8PM ET we will host this live teleconference session: "How to Trace Immigrant Ancestors from the 19th & 20th Century" with Jonathan Galli, professional genealogist. http://ancestralmanor.com/?tabid=110 This teleconference seminar incurs long distance telephone costs to the Iowa conferencing system, depending on your personal long distance plan, as well as a registration fee. This teleconference session is an alternative for folks who are not able to attend the upcoming regional conferences that feature this type of research focus. Free teleconference sessions and info about regional seminars and conferences can also be found for the following events: The Logan Utah 2007 Jamboree March 24 Seminar was featured in our March 14 teleconference http://ancestralmanor.com/?tabid=107 The Irish Ancestral Research Association (TIARA) March 31 seminar in Canton MA was featured in our March 11 teleconference http://ancestralmanor.com/dnn/?tabid=104 The New England Regional Conference in Hartford Connecticut 25-29 April will be featured in our Thursday March 22 teleconference http://ancestralmanor.com/?tabid=140 The 2007 APG Professional Management Conference August 15, 2007 Ft. Wayne, Indiana will be featured in our April 23 teleconference http://apgen.org/conferences/index.html Other notable regional events include: Gene-A-Rama 2007 Friday and Saturday, 13-14 April Oconomowoc, Wisconsin http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Ewsgs/ Ohio Genealogical Society Annual Conference 4/12 - 4/14 Columbus, Ohio http://www.ogs.org/2007conf.php Family History and the Holocaust: A Day of Learning April 22, 2007 at Hebrew Union College http://www.jgsny.org/ 2007 NGS Conference in the States and Family History Fair 16-19 May Richmond, VA http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/2007/ The Federation of Genealogical Societies, 2007 Conference -- Fort Wayne, Indiana -- August 15-18, 2007 http://www.fgs.org/fgs-conference.htm Fall Seminar 2007 Saturday, 27 October Stoney Creek Inn Wausau, Wisconsin http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Ewsgs/ Wholly Genes Cruise October 28 - November 4, 2007 http://www.whollygenes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?screen=CRUISE For many more regional events ... Visit Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter Upcomng Events http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2007/03/upcoming_events.html#more Other teleconference sessions can be found at http://ancestralmanor.com/?tabid=98

I have started a new list at Rootsweb to cover the Clanwilliam Barony, which is an area of my research. It is located in both County Tipperary and County Limerick with over 50 civil parishes and almost 700 townlands. You can check to see if your area of interest in the the barony by using: http://www.seanruad.com If you want to join the list, you can do so here: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-CLANWILLIAM.html To join the digest format, send an email to [email protected] To join the list format, send an email to [email protected] Put subscribe in subject and body of message and send. When I get home (Sacramento CA), I plan on designing a webpage for the list which will have a map of the area and list all the civil parishes and townlands. -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Looking for Michael Mitchell of KIngston, Rondout Ulster County NY. Have him in the 1880 US Fed. Census. Then lost. Happy St. Patrick's Day Judy Christopher

Have you looked at the Quaker records. Quakers are for Peace and as rule do not fight. Lillian ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

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My family, Hatton, who came to the USA from Ireland in 1764 were Quakers. Does any one know how many Hatton's fought in the Revolutionary War? I have been told that my 4 g.grandfather, Robert Hatton, fought in the Revolutionary War. Roger Lee Hatton ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan hogan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] Why MX Celebrates St. Patrick's Day (History of IrishSoldiers) >From the "Somos Primos" Hispanic genealogy newsletter: Why Mexico celebrates St Patrick's Day! The San Patricios: An Historical Perspective At a recent screening of The San Patricios documentary at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va, historian BRIAN MCGINN gave the following analysis of the San Patricio Battalion. The program was sponsored by the Conradh na Gaelige (Gaelic League), based in Washington D.C. We reprint his remarks with his permission. The first question that arises in connection with the San Patricio documentary is why it took 150 years for the story of the San Patricios to be told in such a compelling manner? First, from the viewpoint of the U.S. military, the less said about such subjects, the better. Desertions reflect poorly on political leadership and military command; defections even more so. And this is still true, since many Americans are still unaware of the U.S. defectors who fought with the NVA/VC during the Vietnam War. In general, Irish-Americans have also been uncomfortable with the story of the San Patricios. They could argue, and convincingly, that the overwhelming majority of the 4,811 Irish-born soldiers who served in the U.S. army during the Mexican-American War did not desert. Even if all the San Patricios soldiers were Irish--and they were not--Irish-born deserters would represent less than four per cent of Irish soldiers. During the 19th century, when the Irish place in U.S. society was far from secure, when Irish immigrants faced the hostility of violent nativists and the Know-Nothing Movement, dwelling on the San Patricios was seen as giving ammunition to the enemy. And those instincts were correct--the Know Nothings in fact used the San Patricios in their propaganda as proof of the unreliability of Irish Catholic immigrants. Most of the leading generals of the Civil War--Ulysses S. Grant and Robert E. Lee among them--had served as junior officers in the Mexican-American War. It is interesting to note that never again would U.S. military commanders make the mistake of sending Irish Catholic soldiers to face death under bigoted officers or without chaplains of their own faith. The well-known blood-sacrifices of the Irish during the Civil War--at Antietam, Fredericksburg and Gettysburg--to a large extent put to rest the question of Irish loyalty to the Union. But it ushered in an era of historical myth-making in which the Irish became superpatriots, steadfastly loyal to the Republic and always fighting on the "right" side. Carried to its extreme, we have the claim that Irish Catholics were loyal patriots to a man and that Irishmen in fact composed half the forces of George Washington during the American Revolution. This school of Irish-American history, of which the leading exponent was Michael J. O'Brien of the American Irish Historical Institute, tolerated no exceptions to its message. But perhaps Irish people have a more realistic view of their own military history. They know that Irish soldiers could be found fighting on both sides of almost every major conflict from the 17th through the mid-20th century. In Europe, in the armies of France, Spain, Austria, Russia--and Britain. In the New World, on both sides of the American Revolution--we have eyewitness accounts of the Maguire brothers, who had been fighting on opposite sides, meeting. So most Irish-American scholarship on the San Patricios, until recently, was devoted to proving that a) the unit was not really Irish, b) if it was Irish, it was not Catholic, and c) in case a and b were proven correct, it was an ineffectual band of drunks who had repudiated their Irish heritage. After watching the film, we know better. Although men of Irish birth may not have made up an absolute majority of the San Patricios at all times, Irish Catholics did form its largest ethnic component--ranging by various estimates from 40 per cent to 60 percent. And the ethos of the unit was undeniably Irish. Curiously, people in Ireland have no trouble in accepting and indeed embracing the San Patricios as national Irish heroes. I happened to be visiting Ireland last after the battle of Saratoga. And they know that Lord Edward Fitzgerald, one of the heroes of the 1798 Rising, served in the British uniform in South Carolina during the Revolution. They know that opposing the 144,000 Irishmen in the Union Army were some 30,000 in Confederate ranks, and that the Irish Brigade's charge up Marye's Heights at Fredericksburg was halted by the fire of Robert McMilllan's regiment of Irish rebels. They also know that desertion and defection are part and parcel of every war. And that bodies of Irish soldiers have changed sides since at least 1586, when a regiment of Irish Catholics rounded up after the Desmond Rebellion and shipped to the Netherlands to fight for the Protestant Dutch, promptly deserted to their Spanish Catholic opponents. They recall that during World War I, Roger Casement toured German POW camps and recruited some 50 Irish prisoners--captured as members of British units--to form the nucleus of an Irish Brigade fighting on the German side. So the fact that 200 or more Irishmen deserted and changed sides during the U.S., war with Mexico should not surprise us. Indeed, in the political and religious climate of the time, we could legitimately ask why the number was so small. Which brings up a final point: the vast majority of Irish soldiers who have fought in foreign armies have served with noted courage and loyalty. Witness the 202 Medals of Honor awarded to Irish-born U.S. soldiers between 1861 and 1914. Against that background, we should take note when Irishmen as a body make a conscious decision to risk their lives by switching sides in the midst of a conflict. And we should treat with healthy skepticism simplistic explanations that they were simply a misguided bunch of naive and reckless adventurers, motivated by opportunism and too much alcohol. Finally, we should welcome this film, and the school of "warts and all" history it exemplifies, as evidence of the maturity and self-assurance of Irish America, of its openness to an honest reexamination of its own past and the many varieties of Irish experience in the Americas. Brian McGinn Dan Hogan [email protected] ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From the "Somos Primos" Hispanic genealogy newsletter: Why Mexico celebrates St Patrick’s Day! The San Patricios: An Historical Perspective At a recent screening of The San Patricios documentary at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va, historian BRIAN MCGINN gave the following analysis of the San Patricio Battalion. The program was sponsored by the Conradh na Gaelige (Gaelic League), based in Washington D.C. We reprint his remarks with his permission. The first question that arises in connection with the San Patricio documentary is why it took 150 years for the story of the San Patricios to be told in such a compelling manner? First, from the viewpoint of the U.S. military, the less said about such subjects, the better. Desertions reflect poorly on political leadership and military command; defections even more so. And this is still true, since many Americans are still unaware of the U.S. defectors who fought with the NVA/VC during the Vietnam War. In general, Irish-Americans have also been uncomfortable with the story of the San Patricios. They could argue, and convincingly, that the overwhelming majority of the 4,811 Irish-born soldiers who served in the U.S. army during the Mexican-American War did not desert. Even if all the San Patricios soldiers were Irish--and they were not--Irish-born deserters would represent less than four per cent of Irish soldiers. During the 19th century, when the Irish place in U.S. society was far from secure, when Irish immigrants faced the hostility of violent nativists and the Know-Nothing Movement, dwelling on the San Patricios was seen as giving ammunition to the enemy. And those instincts were correct--the Know Nothings in fact used the San Patricios in their propaganda as proof of the unreliability of Irish Catholic immigrants. Most of the leading generals of the Civil War--Ulysses S. Grant and Robert E. Lee among them--had served as junior officers in the Mexican-American War. It is interesting to note that never again would U.S. military commanders make the mistake of sending Irish Catholic soldiers to face death under bigoted officers or without chaplains of their own faith. The well-known blood-sacrifices of the Irish during the Civil War--at Antietam, Fredericksburg and Gettysburg--to a large extent put to rest the question of Irish loyalty to the Union. But it ushered in an era of historical myth-making in which the Irish became superpatriots, steadfastly loyal to the Republic and always fighting on the "right" side. Carried to its extreme, we have the claim that Irish Catholics were loyal patriots to a man and that Irishmen in fact composed half the forces of George Washington during the American Revolution. This school of Irish-American history, of which the leading exponent was Michael J. O'Brien of the American Irish Historical Institute, tolerated no exceptions to its message. But perhaps Irish people have a more realistic view of their own military history. They know that Irish soldiers could be found fighting on both sides of almost every major conflict from the 17th through the mid-20th century. In Europe, in the armies of France, Spain, Austria, Russia--and Britain. In the New World, on both sides of the American Revolution--we have eyewitness accounts of the Maguire brothers, who had been fighting on opposite sides, meeting. So most Irish-American scholarship on the San Patricios, until recently, was devoted to proving that a) the unit was not really Irish, b) if it was Irish, it was not Catholic, and c) in case a and b were proven correct, it was an ineffectual band of drunks who had repudiated their Irish heritage. After watching the film, we know better. Although men of Irish birth may not have made up an absolute majority of the San Patricios at all times, Irish Catholics did form its largest ethnic component--ranging by various estimates from 40 per cent to 60 percent. And the ethos of the unit was undeniably Irish. Curiously, people in Ireland have no trouble in accepting and indeed embracing the San Patricios as national Irish heroes. I happened to be visiting Ireland last after the battle of Saratoga. And they know that Lord Edward Fitzgerald, one of the heroes of the 1798 Rising, served in the British uniform in South Carolina during the Revolution. They know that opposing the 144,000 Irishmen in the Union Army were some 30,000 in Confederate ranks, and that the Irish Brigade's charge up Marye's Heights at Fredericksburg was halted by the fire of Robert McMilllan's regiment of Irish rebels. They also know that desertion and defection are part and parcel of every war. And that bodies of Irish soldiers have changed sides since at least 1586, when a regiment of Irish Catholics rounded up after the Desmond Rebellion and shipped to the Netherlands to fight for the Protestant Dutch, promptly deserted to their Spanish Catholic opponents. They recall that during World War I, Roger Casement toured German POW camps and recruited some 50 Irish prisoners--captured as members of British units--to form the nucleus of an Irish Brigade fighting on the German side. So the fact that 200 or more Irishmen deserted and changed sides during the U.S., war with Mexico should not surprise us. Indeed, in the political and religious climate of the time, we could legitimately ask why the number was so small. Which brings up a final point: the vast majority of Irish soldiers who have fought in foreign armies have served with noted courage and loyalty. Witness the 202 Medals of Honor awarded to Irish-born U.S. soldiers between 1861 and 1914. Against that background, we should take note when Irishmen as a body make a conscious decision to risk their lives by switching sides in the midst of a conflict. And we should treat with healthy skepticism simplistic explanations that they were simply a misguided bunch of naive and reckless adventurers, motivated by opportunism and too much alcohol. Finally, we should welcome this film, and the school of "warts and all" history it exemplifies, as evidence of the maturity and self-assurance of Irish America, of its openness to an honest reexamination of its own past and the many varieties of Irish experience in the Americas. Brian McGinn Dan Hogan [email protected]

Hi Cathy, I'd appreciate a look. Bob [email protected] ox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] REALLY OLD IRISH PHOTO BUTTONS > Need help finding out origin and age of some really old antique photo > buttons which I > inherited from my Irish mother & grandmother. I don't know if you could > call them > cuff-links as they are solid silver with a photo in a frame set on an > immovable back > which would fit in a button-hole. All I know is that they are OLD. If > anyone wants a > picture of one of them, I took a really good close-up with my digital > camera > and can > send you one. > > Thank you very much, > Cathy in Tampa, Fl > [native of Brooklyn, NY] > > > ~AUSTIN, BALLIN, DRISCOLL, FULLER, HRADEL, KAVANAGH, KOZISKI, KUPECZ, > MURPHY, NAGLE, NICHOLS, NOLAN, SABOL, RYAN, WALLA, WILLIAMS ~ > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A new free database at: http://immigrantservants.com/search/simple Also includes immigrant servants and transported immigrants. -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Need help finding out origin and age of some really old antique photo buttons which I inherited from my Irish mother & grandmother. I don't know if you could call them cuff-links as they are solid silver with a photo in a frame set on an immovable back which would fit in a button-hole. All I know is that they are OLD. If anyone wants a picture of one of them, I took a really good close-up with my digital camera and can send you one. Thank you very much, Cathy in Tampa, Fl [native of Brooklyn, NY] ~AUSTIN, BALLIN, DRISCOLL, FULLER, HRADEL, KAVANAGH, KOZISKI, KUPECZ, MURPHY, NAGLE, NICHOLS, NOLAN, SABOL, RYAN, WALLA, WILLIAMS ~ <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I'd agree with Bridget !! The traditional meal was / is Bacon, Cabbage and Spuds in the form of New Potatoes!! Lamb would also have been a popular Easter dish... served as above with butter and wild bog mint on the New Potatoes. Corned beef would have been an exotic rarity !! Kind regards, Stuart www.irelandandirish,com/forums However other Irish people feel that Corned Beef and cabbage is about as Irish as Spaghetti and meatballs. That beef was a real delicacy usually served only to the kings. According to Bridgett Haggerty of the website Irish Cultres and Customs she says that their research shows that most likely a "bacon joint" or a piece of salted pork boiled with cabbage and potatoes would more likely have shown up for an Easter Sunday feast in the rural parts of Ireland. Since the advent of refrigeration, the trend in Ireland is to eat fresh meats. Today this peasant dish is more popular in the United States than in Ireland. Irish-Americans and lots of other people eat it on St. Patrick's Day, Ireland's principal feast day, as a nostalgic reminder of their Irish heritage. Corning is a form of curing; it has nothing to do with corn. The name comes from Anglo-Saxon times before refrigeration. In those days, the meat was dry-cured in coarse "corns" of salt. Pellets of salt, some the size of kernels of corn, were rubbed into the beef to keep it from spoiling and to preserve it. Today brining -- the use of salt water -- has replaced the dry salt cure, but the name "corned beef" is still used, rather than "brined" or "pickled" beef. Commonly used spices that give corned beef its distinctive flavor are peppercorns and bay leaf. Of course, these spices may vary regionally. http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/2Kitch/aCBeefCabge.html http://www.kitchenproject.com/history/CornedBeef.htm -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, My mother was from Co. Galway, and my paternal grandmother was from Co. Mayo. We never once had corned beef . They both cooked ham, cabbage and potatoes with a piece of salt pork for flavor. How I long for their cooking. Happy St. Patrick's Day. Mary

One thing to keep in mind is how a name might sound spoken by and Irishman and heard by the non- Irish census taker. Mary easily becomes Marie and Helen becomes Eileen, I’m sure one can think of other. “mistakes” that may occur. Also copies of censuses, with the handwritten entries, are often difficult to decipher. In my own case one census taker wrote the first name and it looked like Mimms to two LSD aides, and it probably was written as Morris- incorrect spelling, but that was how it sounded to the census taker. (actually spelled Maurice by my ancestor). I have the Irish Catholic baptismal records of my ancestor's family from the early 1800’s, none have middle names listed. They probably were given Baptismal names- but those are not listed. I tend to think that as some of the children were named after the father or mother they probably were called by their Baptismal names to avoid confusion. My thoughts are that the marriage certificate of an ancestor may give the most reliable version of their name. Death certificates only will show the information available to the informant. For example in my family: Gt.Gt.Grandfather- was named Patrick (DORAN). Marriage certificate says Patrick. His son(my Gt. Grandfather) was named Thomas- Baptismal records show Patrick as his father. When Thomas, a widower, died his daughter (my Grandmother) was probably the informant and she listed Thomas' father as Michael . (Michael was Thomas' grandfather, Patrick's father- long dead) Patrick died on route to the US and his wife (ANN PIERCE) died long before Thomas. If all the information I had was the death certificate of my Gt Grandfather, tracing my ancestors would have been more difficult. Pam <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

My mother and father from Swinford, Co. Mayo and Aclare, Co. Sligo never had corned beef until they came to this country. And, my mother never served it as I was growing up. We had spare ribs, cabbage and potatoes and smoked butt, cabbage and potatoes, but never corned beef. The first time I had corned beef was in a sandwich from a deli. Kay Kathleen Brennan Mammoser Researching BRENNAN, BRETT,GALLAGHER & KENNEDY in CO MAYO>CHICAGO and BRENNAN in CO SLIGO>CHICAGO also MAMMOSER in Schoenenbourg, FRANCE>CHICAGO http://www.mammoser.com

In a message dated 3/9/2007 3:54:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > my great-great grandfather probably was married to two women with the last >name McAtee. There was one wife named Marie E. and one named Mary Helen. < Hello, My Mother was baptized Mary Ellen, but was called Mary Helen or just Helen and Nellie for short. Joan <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Linda, Just a thought - One possible wife was Mary Helen and one possible wife was Marie E. If the second name was Marie Eileen, the first name could have been an anglicized version of the second name. Marie = Mary Eileen = Little Helen If this hypothosis is correct, they may have been the same person. The Irish always seemed to "play" with the given names. Sorry to muddy the issue, but it is a possibility. Maureen N <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Helen would be an anglo attempt at Éibhlín. Mary and Marie are anglo attempts at Máire. Same woman, different languages would be more likely. Le gach dea-ghuí / Best, - Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Hess Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRISH-AMER] IRISH-AMERICAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 82 All of these explanations have helped me come to the conclusion that my great-great grandfather probably was married to two women with the last name McAtee. There was one wife named Marie E. and one named Mary Helen. I wondered for years about whether her name was Mary or Marie and why the different middle names. I was able to find one marriage license but not the other and couldn't decide if there was one wife or two because dates I found in various records were very close. So I think he married one sister and then the second sister. Maybe the first one died and then he married the second one. I'm still going to keep searching for the actual birth, marriage, and death records to confirm whether or not there were two wives and have conclusive evidence. [email protected] wrote: Linda Hess - Two of my great-grandparents, both born in Ireland, had middle names. One was ANN JANE and known as ANN. The other one, her husband, was JOHN ROBINSON DAVIS. ROBINSON was his mother's maiden name................Virginia ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ====Irish American Mailing List===== Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message