Over 400 names have been added to the CountyDown birth list on my website, And the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

Hi Jean, Thank you for e-mail, I have just checked to see if I could come up with any relation with the name Bass, but to no avail,, Although I know something of Edwins J Denning history dating from his marriage in Ireland, Richard, my g/grandfather remains a mystery. I knew my Grandmother Rose Denning came from India, but little else, however, I have Richard Bass Denning[Gentleman] deceased, on her marriage licence to my Grandfather Rev. Edward Allen of Hamps. England in 1892. following that Richard was found in 1861 census, at Mount Wise Barracks Stoke dameralDevon England as a gunner in the RA. He then went to India where Rose was born and christened at St. Thomas Mount 1871, her fathers name was Richard Bass Denning and mother Rosanne[ i do not think there was a marriage] 1n 1879 richard appeared at the RpRoyalVictoria Military Hospital, at Netley, Southampton Eng. where he died 6months later Sept 21st 1879, I have tried to find if he was buried there but no record. On his death certificate it stated he was a Sergeant Major in the RA.and was born in Ireland . I applied for a birth certificate, but they could nt find him, I have tried Ireland but because the birth was 1837 it would be in parish registers. I wonder id I will ever find Richard, perhaps if I can find Edwin born 1840 Ireland i may get a lead. Grandmother Roses marriage was announced in the New York Times, and in 1891 she was the adopted daughter of a vicar in Denmead England from where she married Edward Rose died 1912 and Edward 1913, leaving two children . This is all I know about Richard,Bass Denning. Thank you Joan [from sunny England]

i am seeking some info on an ancester whom enigrated from Ireland to New York, i have traced his family and life in America but can find very little back in IRELAND i will list below what I have so far--- Edwin J Denning married Jane Hobson at Dungannon. Tyrone. Ireland 1860 1880 federal census USA EDWIN dENNING BORN 1841 iRELAND jane denning [wife] born 1838 Ireland Sarah L Denning born 1861 New York SUSANNA h Denning born 1863 New York Maria L Denning born 1865 New York Stewart Denning 1868 born New York Jennie H Denning born 1870 New York Edwin M Denning born 1872 New York Maud D Denning born 1874 New York William P Denning born 1876 New York plus servants Edwin [senior] was naturalized in 1880/1881 to American citizenship, occupation merchant of Dry Goods and mentioned in books relatiung to furs, I would like to find out who Edwins parents and family were, they were born in Ireland. his Brother Richard Bass Denning was my g/ grandfather. i would like to know what i can about the family possibly through Edwin J Denning. i understand his business was on the broadway New York, and at one time he was associated with ats. trading co. If anyone can help, I would be really thrilled, thank you Joan [England]

Hi Joan in England. I am intrigued by the BASS given name in your post. An unusual middle or first name in a well-educated person oftentimes represented mother's maiden ("nee") surname or another surname important to the family. Is this the case here? Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] EDWIN J DENNING /NEW YORK You wrote: ... > I would like to find out who Edwins parents and family were, they were born in Ireland. > his Brother Richard Bass Denning was my g/ grandfather. i

SNIPPET: Per Edward T. O'DONNELL's book, "1001 Things Everyone Should Know About Irish American History" (2002), notable Irish-born painters working in America in the 19th century including the following individuals: William Michael HARNETT (1848-92) who settled with his family in Philadelphia, where he worked as an engraver, later engaging in the formal study of art at leading schools in NY and Europe. He is best known for his still-life painting of objects such as horseshoes, pipes, guns and musical instruments, and his paintings can be found in art museums that include the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NY and the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston. Thomas HOVENDEN (1840-95) received his formal training at the Cork School of Design. He emigrated to America in 1863. After studying at the National Academy of Design, he moved to Baltimore where he began to paint portraits and scenes of everyday life. Moving to France in the 1870s, HOVENDEN continued to study and improve his technique. His paintings on exhibition at the Paris Salon in 1880 were widely praised, and he returned to America in the early 1880s. One of his most famous paintings is of the radical abolitionist John BROWN - "The Last Moments of John Brown." John MULVANY (c. 1839-1906) came to the U.S. from Westmeath as a boy. He worked as an illustrator for Chicago newspapers and went on to study painting in Europe. Eventually settling in IA, MULVANY began a career painting scenes of Western life. Some of his best known include "The Preliminary Trial of a Horse Thief" and the monumental "Custer's Last Rally."

On 5/29/07 7:41 PM, "Pat Connors" <[email protected]> wrote: > I am passing this on...I attended it last year in Portland OR and enjoyed > the day and learned much. If they were in my area this year, I would attend > again........Dr Trainor is worth the cost all by himself, with his sense of > humor and inside stories about the National Archives of Ireland. I also had the privilege of hearing Dr. Trainor last fall at Estes Park Colorado, during our annual Highland Festival. He is very entertaining and informative. -- We will not forget! www.remember-9-11.com www.ciarancummings.com

THE BUS Grown old I know the angel with the sword is coming. Feeling again the fear I felt in childhood I seek a child's escape. I take a bus and put my trust in engines Let their reverberations reassure me Feeling I'm safe as long as I'm in transit. So bowling through the spreading outer city I know the bounding confidence of buses Enjoy the rows of small neat normal houses The spates of shop-fronts brash and bright for business. Lorries and cars and bikes go streaming past Restore my sense of life my sense of living. But now I see a tree a field a mountain And know the journey can't go on forever The bus is parked along a rustic byway. I must get out and wait for the home journey And sitting on a bench and waiting, waiting, I hear the sound of footsteps in the distance And wonder if the angel is approaching. -- Warren O'Connell, "Quartet," Swan Press, Dublin (1995).

I have put the following tithes online on the county's section of my website: County Kilkenny: Stonecarty Civil Parish, two enumations, 1825, 1840 County Leix/Laois/Queens: Skirk Civil Parish 1829, Sleaty Civil Parish 1829, Straboe Civil Parish 1825 -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I have just put up the tithe applotments for the following civil parishes: Cordangan 1832, Corrogue 1832 and Lattin for both 1825 and 1832. You can find links to them on the Tipperary section of my website. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

DREAMS Beyond, beyond the mountain line, The grey-stone and the boulder, Beyond the growth of dark green pine, That crowns its western shoulder, There lies that fairy-land of mine, Unseen of a beholder. Its fruits are all like rubies rare; Its streams are clear as glasses; There golden castles hang in air, And purple grapes in masses, And noble knights and ladies fair Come riding down the passes. Ah me! they say if I could stand Upon those mountain ledges, I should but see on either hand Plain fields and dusty hedges; And yet I know my fairy-land Lies somewhere o'er their edges. -- Cecil Frances Alexander (1820?-1895)

SNIPPET: Ever since the Great Famine of 1845-49, emigration had been a major factor in Irish life. In the 20th century the outward flow continued, abated only by the enforced intervals of two world wars. By the 1930s, the Irish people living outside of Ireland easily outnumber the inhabitants of the island. For the majority of emigrants, America was the dreamed destination. Somehow, as the "next parish to the West," it had a closeness which belied the width of the Atlantic Ocean. And there were many vibrant Irish communities by this time to help receive and settle newcomers. Despite that, emigration was still a dreadful wrench as families were broken up. Some would-be emigrants returned to Ireland, preferring an uncertain future in their ancient homeland. Author David LEHMAN wrote in the April 2004 issue of "Smithsonian" magazine that without Emma LAZARUS' timeless lines below - "Lady Liberty" might be just another statue, and that Americans tend to take the symbolism of the Statue of Liberty for granted, as if she has always stood in New York Harbor welcoming immigrants. At the ceremony dedicating the statue, LAZARUS' poem was not read. No even alluded to its open-armed welcome to immigrants fleeing hunger and persecution. President Grover CLEVELAND emphasized the spread of American ideals. The light from the statue's outstretched torch, he said, would "pierce the darkness of ignorance and man's oppression until Liberty shall enlighten the world." An event almost unnoticed at the time was the May 5, 1903 presentation of a bronze plaque of Ms. LAZARUS' poem to the War Department post commander on Bedloe's Island, although it had been composed some twenty years before, in 1883, to raise money at an auction to help pay for a pedestal for the statue and was familiar to other poets. Sculptor Frederic Auguste BARTHOLDI's "Liberty Enlightening the World" had been a gift to the United States from the people of France in 1884 as a symbol of friendship and of the liberty that citizens enjoy under a free form of government. It was finally unveiled on its completed pedestal on October 28, 1886. A Only a few months later, in 1887, Ms. LAZARUS died of cancer at the age of 38. In 1903, following a two-year campaign by her friend Georgina SCHUYLER, "The New Colossus" plaque was at last placed on an anterior wall of the statue's pedestal. However, it remained virtually ignored for more than a generation. It was not until the 1930s, when Europeans in droves began seeking asylum from Fascist persecution, that her poem was rediscovered, quoted in speeches, and set to music by Irving BERLIN. THE NEW COLOSSUS Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed sunset-gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome, her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin-cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she, With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore; Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I am passing this on...I attended it last year in Portland OR and enjoyed the day and learned much. If they were in my area this year, I would attend again........Dr Trainor is worth the cost all by himself, with his sense of humor and inside stories about the National Archives of Ireland. Please see below details of Ulster Historical Foundation's Irish genealogical lecture tour in the USA from 16-26 June 2007. This tour will be undertaken by Executive Director, Fintan Mullan and former Research Director, Dr Brian Trainor. We should also like to advise that Fintan Mullan will be a presenter in the genealogy area of the Northern Ireland exhibits during the Smithsonian Folklife Festival in Washington DC from 27 June to 08 July 2007. We would ask members to help publicise these lecture dates to your own family history society, friends and the wider internet community. Our apologies in advance to members/users not residing in the USA, for whom this information is not likely to be relevant. Programme for Ulster Historical Foundation Irish genealogy lecture tour 16 to 26 June 2006. If you need any advice contact: [email protected] Friday 15 June Arrive Newark, NJ Saturday 16 June Ridgewood, New Jersey (9.00am to 3.30pm) Location of programme: Old Paramus Reformed Church, 660 East Glen Avenue, Ridgewood, NJ 07450 Host organisation: The Genealogical Society of Bergen County, NJ Main contact: For more information, e-mail: [email protected] Or contact Ann Thompson at: [email protected] Phone: 973-427-3840 How to register and entrance fees: Make checks payable to GSBC and mail with Registration Form to: GSBC Irish Genealogy Conference, PO Box 432 Midland Park, NJ 07432 Early Registration fee before 25 May: Members of GSBC, PCHS & Rockland County Genealogy Society - $25,00 Non-Members - $30.00 Registration fee after 25 May: Members of GSBC, PCHS & Rockland County Genealogy Society - $30.00 Non-Members - $35.00 Box Lunch will be available for additional $7.00 Full details including directions: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsbc/IrishConf.html <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enjgsbc/IrishConf.html> Sunday 17 June Lancaster, Pennsylvania (10.00am to 5.30pm) Location of programme: 230 North President Avenue Lancaster, PA 17603 Host organisation: Lancaster County Historical Society Main contact: Ginger Shelley [email protected] How to register and entrance fees: Registration is required for this workshop. Contact the Society for a form and mail it to Lancaster County Historical Society Attn: Scots-Irish Workshop 230 N. President Ave. Lancaster, PA 17603 or call (717) 392-4633 to register by phone. Further details: www.lancasterhistory.org Wednesday 20 June Des Moines, Iowa (1.00pm to 9.00pm) Location of programme: St. Luke’s Episcopal Church, 3424 Forest Ave, Des Moines, IA Host organisation: Irish Interest Group of the Iowa Genealogical Society Main contact: Contact the Iowa Genealogical Society at 515-276-0287 with any questions. How to register and entrance fees: Registration prior to June 15 - $35. Registration after June 15 - $40. Registration includes a light supper. Make checks payable to the Iowa Genealogical Society. Send to: Iowa Genealogical Society 628 East Grand Avenue Des Moines, Iowa 50309-1924 Saturday 23 June Nashville, Tennessee (9.00am to 4.00pm) Location of programme: The Brentwood Library, 8109 Concord Road, Brentwood, TN Host organisation: Mid-Tennessee Genealogical Society Main contact: Virginia Watson [email protected] How to register and entrance fees: Registration deadline is June 18, 2007. Cost is $25.00, which includes a box lunch. Send your check to MTGS, P. O. Box 330948, Nashville, TN 37203-7507 to reserve you space. Further information available from: http://www.mtgs.org http://www.rootsweb.com/~tntgs <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Etntgs> Tuesday 26 June Washington DC (evening event 6.00pm to 9.00pm) Location of programme: 3907 Huntington St NW, Washington, DC 20015 Host & main contact: Geri Critchley [email protected] How to register and entrance fees: Send payment of $50 registration fee to Geri Critchley at the above address, any queries contact Geri directly. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I agree with Pat. As an on/off member of Ancestry, I have found much information about all the sides of my famliy. I have found living relatives here in the States and across the pond in Europe. I have found information on Pat's webpage too. You can't just do your genealogy on line. You must do the foot work too. If you want what is posted at Ancestry go to your local LDS Temple and use their vast library of microfische. I can't say enough about research it isn't easy. Judy Christopher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: [NY-IRISH] Ancestry advertisements > On this list and others, there has been mention made about a free website > with advertisements that some click on unknowingly and end up a a paid > site. While, I too, hate the hidden links to paid sites, one must realize > that sites, like mine, cost money to keep. The more that is posted on the > site and the busier the website, the more costly the website is to keep > online. So, some of us chose to put advertisements on our websites to > offset the cost of the website. Hopefully, they aren't sneaky. I try to > keep mine obvious but what is obvious to me may not be obvious to others. > Anyhow, without my advertisements, I couldn't afford to keep my website. > I > offer a lot of free data on my site and others contribute to it not to > mention the time that goes into it's upkeep. When others contribute, I > never put advertisements on their data. > > Well, just a word from a website owner. Kinda the other side. > > Plus, I find Ancestry extremely helpful to my family research. I think > when > they offer free data, if you consider it like a free sample at a store if > you give them your name and address, it is about the same thing. They > then > send you advertisements, it's the price you pay for the free sample. > Ancestry requires you call them to stop the credit card charge, it is > annoying but it is also worth the free information you got off the site. > If > you didn't find your family, it is not Ancestry's fault. They were up > front > with what they offered. > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > ====NY-Irish Mailing List==== > Don't forget to check out the NY-Irish mailing list website. Also, > check/add your NY-Irish surnames on the Surname Registry: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYIrishList/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On this list and others, there has been mention made about a free website with advertisements that some click on unknowingly and end up a a paid site. While, I too, hate the hidden links to paid sites, one must realize that sites, like mine, cost money to keep. The more that is posted on the site and the busier the website, the more costly the website is to keep online. So, some of us chose to put advertisements on our websites to offset the cost of the website. Hopefully, they aren't sneaky. I try to keep mine obvious but what is obvious to me may not be obvious to others. Anyhow, without my advertisements, I couldn't afford to keep my website. I offer a lot of free data on my site and others contribute to it not to mention the time that goes into it's upkeep. When others contribute, I never put advertisements on their data. Well, just a word from a website owner. Kinda the other side. Plus, I find Ancestry extremely helpful to my family research. I think when they offer free data, if you consider it like a free sample at a store if you give them your name and address, it is about the same thing. They then send you advertisements, it's the price you pay for the free sample. Ancestry requires you call them to stop the credit card charge, it is annoying but it is also worth the free information you got off the site. If you didn't find your family, it is not Ancestry's fault. They were up front with what they offered. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Working in the Rain My father loved more than anything to work outside in wet weather. Beginning at daylight he'd go out in dripping brush to mow or pull weeds for hog and chickens. First his shoulders got damp and the drops from his hat ran down his back. When even his armpits were soaked he came in to dry out by the fire, making coffee, read a little. But if the rain continued he'd soon be restless, and go out to sharpen tools in the shed or carry wood from the pile, then open up a puddle to the drain, working by steps back into the downpour. I thought he sought the privacy of rain, the one time no one was likely to be out and he was left to the intimacy of drops touching every leaf and tree in the woods and the easy mutterings of drip and runoff, the shine of pools behind grass dams. He could not resist the long ritual, the companionship and freedom of falling weather, or even the cold drenching, the heavy soak and chill of clothes and sobbing of fingers and sacrifice of shoes that earned a baking by the fire and washed fatigue after the wandering and loneliness in the country of rain.

If you get a chance, look up the song "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" written by Australian Eric Bogle. John McDermott sings it on his REMEMERANCE CD which is well worth a listen especially for Memorial Day. JUDY ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

This is beautiful. Thank you Jean. Cece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: [IRISH-AMER] "Blue And Gray" -- (Anon.) -- "New York Sun" circa 1900 > Irish fought on both sides of the American Civil War. I found this gem in > a > little softbound book of verse by the Penn Publishing Co., Philadelphia > (1903). The poem, author unknown, first appeared in the "New York Sun." > > BLUE AND GRAY > > 'Twas a sight to be long remembered, > That I saw on the cars one day > As the train was flying southward, > In the latter part of May. > It was only two aged women > Who met by chance that day, > One had eyes of loveliest blue, > The other, the sweetest gray. > > "Where go you?" said the blue-eyed one > To her with the eyes of gray, > "I'm going to visit my husband's grave, > In the Southland far away." > "Was he a soldier? "the blue-eyed asked, > As she gazed in the eyes of gray; > And half unconsciously she grasped > Her hand in a loving way. > > The eyes of gray lit up with pride; > "Yes, he was a soldier true; > He fell at the battle of Shiloh," > "Oh! there's where mine fell, too." > And then they clasped each other and wept, > The eyes of blue and gray > Mingled their flood of sympathy > As the train sped on its way. > > "What uniform did your "soldier" wear?" > "My soldier wore the blue." > "Ah," said the other, "mine wore the gray." > "No matter, they both were true." > "Yes, they were true, our loved and lost, > True till their dying day. > And it matters not what they wore on earth, > They are clothed in white to-day." > > And when we came to the station > A very small town by the way, > The men all stood bareheaded > As the two went on their way, > They walked up the street together, > Like children hand in hand, > Out on the country highway > Where the old church used to stand. > > And on and on till they reached the place > Where their soldiers brave were laid; > They they kissed and wept o'er each grave alike, > And together knelt down and prayed; > Then each told the other about the past, > How they lived with their children dear, > And agreed, while God would spare their lives, > To meet there once a year. > > And then they walked back to the station, > These soldiers' widows in tears, > Helped by each other's sympathy, > To bear their burden of years, > Back to the West they traveled, > To their children, kind and true; > One with eyes of the sweetest gray, > The other, the loveliest blue > > -- Author unknown, "New York Sun" circa 1900 > > > ====Irish American Mailing List===== > Add/check your surname to the Irish-American mailing list Surname Registry > at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrishAmerican/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Irish fought on both sides of the American Civil War. I found this gem in a little softbound book of verse by the Penn Publishing Co., Philadelphia (1903). The poem, author unknown, first appeared in the "New York Sun." BLUE AND GRAY 'Twas a sight to be long remembered, That I saw on the cars one day As the train was flying southward, In the latter part of May. It was only two aged women Who met by chance that day, One had eyes of loveliest blue, The other, the sweetest gray. "Where go you?" said the blue-eyed one To her with the eyes of gray, "I'm going to visit my husband's grave, In the Southland far away." "Was he a soldier? "the blue-eyed asked, As she gazed in the eyes of gray; And half unconsciously she grasped Her hand in a loving way. The eyes of gray lit up with pride; "Yes, he was a soldier true; He fell at the battle of Shiloh," "Oh! there's where mine fell, too." And then they clasped each other and wept, The eyes of blue and gray Mingled their flood of sympathy As the train sped on its way. "What uniform did your "soldier" wear?" "My soldier wore the blue." "Ah," said the other, "mine wore the gray." "No matter, they both were true." "Yes, they were true, our loved and lost, True till their dying day. And it matters not what they wore on earth, They are clothed in white to-day." And when we came to the station A very small town by the way, The men all stood bareheaded As the two went on their way, They walked up the street together, Like children hand in hand, Out on the country highway Where the old church used to stand. And on and on till they reached the place Where their soldiers brave were laid; They they kissed and wept o'er each grave alike, And together knelt down and prayed; Then each told the other about the past, How they lived with their children dear, And agreed, while God would spare their lives, To meet there once a year. And then they walked back to the station, These soldiers' widows in tears, Helped by each other's sympathy, To bear their burden of years, Back to the West they traveled, To their children, kind and true; One with eyes of the sweetest gray, The other, the loveliest blue -- Author unknown, "New York Sun" circa 1900

Pat, The database is truly amazing! Thank you. Maureen N ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

It's a great way to spend Memorial Day Weekend. I am happy you found it worthwhile. The database is truly amazing! > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com