DNA studies may reveal to some the need to put their research efforts into adoption records instead ......according to national statistics, it is estimated that about 1 million children in the United States live with adoptive parents, and that between 2% to 4% of American families include an adopted child. (Stolley, 1993) 6 in 10 Americans have had personal experience with adoption, meaning that they themselves, a family member, or a close friend was adopted, had adopted a child, or had placed a child for adoption. (Evan B. Donaldson Institute, 1997) http://statistics.adoption.com/information/adoption-statistics-numbers-trends.html In earlier times, adoptions were usually informal. It was not uncommon for a family to simply take in a child from another family (related or not related) nor to change the child's name without legal formalities. In 1851, Massachusetts became the first state to pass a law regulating the adoption of children. Institutions for parentless children were organized by religious and other charitable groups. During the 1800s, particularily in cities such as New York, the population in adoption homes increased in relation to imigration activity. Orphan trains began distributing children across the country, and by the early 1900s Maternity Homes were establish, and then in the 1950s came "War Orphans". Less charitable were the Black Market agencies - Cole babies, Hicks babies, Bessie babies, Dr. Mary babies, Butterbox babies, Springer babies (not Jerry but could be ;-)http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/colebaby/story.html Unfortunatley, whether charitable, legite or not, the paper trails were often altered or falsified. The origin of statutory requirements in the early 20th century, that adoption be confidential and that birth certificates and adoption records be sealed, began with early laws such as the Minnesota Act of 1917. Today more than half of all adoptions have some form of openess. For the Adoptee and the Parents there is comfort in the following words: Our children are not ours because they share our genes... they are ours because we have had the audacity to envision them. That, at the end of the day...or long sleepless night, is how love really works. ~ Unknown Genevieve Live Well, Laugh Often, Love Much Free Links to orphanages throughout the world are on this site:http://www.orphanage.org/ Orphan Trains in the USA http://www.orphantrainriders.com/index.html Orphan Trains in Australia, England, Canada and New Zealand http://www.orphantrainriders.com/International.html Searching in Ireland - resources for Irish-born Adoptees http://www.netreach.net/~steed/search.html .
I am looking for information or descendants of Mary Quinn who was in Belfast in 1936-7 and before that in Sweden. Thank you Tina _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk
Iam looking for information or descendants of Mary Quinn who was in Belfast around 1936-37 and before that was in Sweden many thanks for your attention Tina _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk
Deery originally from Malin, Donegal, adoptions in the UK though, in the 1940's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] (no subject) > Good morning listers. > This list can help you to find adoptees you may be looking for, but only > if > you use it. > > May we have a rollcall of all subscribers with surname or further > discription of the person/person's you are looking for? > > Thank you, admin surname Kelly > > > > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I would like to add my name(s) to this Roll Call that has been asked for please. Bridget McALLISTER was 'adopted' as 6 months old in 1942 by a deaf and dumb widow of some five years. Elizabeth McALlister, née (O')KELLY's husband Thomas died at age 36 in 1937, she had three known children, the eldest Norah, the youngest Anthony stayed with her and the middle one, Thomas was taken away and placed in the Artane! A hell of a place for a ten year old boy! Five years later Bridget was 'adopted' accordingly and placed in the family - why? Apparently Bridget was the illicit daughter of a MORAN and a Mary FLANAGAN! Nothing more is known. The family lived in the Crumlin area of Dublin. Regards, Michael McAllister > 1. (no subject) (Donal O'Kelly) > From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> > Subject: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] (no subject) > To: <IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH@rootsweb.com> > Good morning listers. > This list can help you to find adoptees you may be looking for, but only > if > you use it. > Thank you, admin surname Kelly >
Way to go folks. This list was dead slow for a long time, but now it is picking up. Thanks Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Hoffman" <melanie@global.co.za> To: <irish-adoptees-search@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] Roll call: Deery > Deery originally from Malin, Donegal, adoptions in the UK though, in the > 1940's. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> > To: <IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:49 PM > Subject: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] (no subject) > > >> Good morning listers. >> This list can help you to find adoptees you may be looking for, but only >> if >> you use it. >> >> May we have a rollcall of all subscribers with surname or further >> discription of the person/person's you are looking for? >> >> Thank you, admin surname Kelly >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________ >> To contact the list admin send an email to: >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 > 5:44 PM > >
Good morning listers. This list can help you to find adoptees you may be looking for, but only if you use it. May we have a rollcall of all subscribers with surname or further discription of the person/person's you are looking for? Thank you, admin surname Kelly
Hi Mari Thankyou so much for explaining it all to me and the website address you have sent me. Does the General Registry Office at Joyce House cover the whole of the island of Ireland ? You see I,m at this stage not sure where the families came from. Records only show they came from Ireland ? I have made an enquiry with a family in England who may have information about my gr.grandmother Mary Gallagher, so I,m waiting for a reply. I,d be delighted if some kind person could help me. Much obliged Angela Gladh Sweden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mari Steed" <steed@netreach.net> To: <irish-adoptees-search@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] Adoption Records > Adoption was illegal in Ireland until the 1952 Act. Prior to that, there > did exist de facto adoptions, which were really more of a fostering > arrangement, as no legal documents were filed or birth records amended. > > But most births were registered, even in remote areas. Although sometimes > the practise of registering took some time, as it might be months before > the > Registrar could get out to a village or home or institution to register a > birth. So often it's best advised to search birth records for up to two > quarters after the date you're seeking, maybe even more. Variable > spellings > of names can be tricky, too, so watch for variable spellings of both fore- > and surnames. And you'd be looking for a birth where the baby's surname > matches the mother's and no father data might be listed. > > There's a helpful tracing guide for de facto or illegal adoptions at > http://www.adoptionireland.com/services/trac_index.html. If you're not in > Ireland and need some local assistance with records at Joyce House (the > general registry office), let me know. Most of the local search > volunteers > are pretty backed up with requests, but I can definitely get you hooked up > with one. > > Mari Steed > US Coordinator > AdoptionIreland > www.adoptionirelandcom > > > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ NOD32 1.1856 (20061106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >
Hi Janet ! I will indeed go down that path . Another sponsers name was Mary Vallely. This is all so very interesting. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <irish-adoptees-search@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] adoption records ? > Angela, Have you worked on tracking down information of the sponsors, > Mary Cullen & J. Harrison? Much information might be gained that > direction. > > Janet > > On 11/6/06, migran <migran@glaho.com> wrote: >> Hi Janet ! >> >> Thankyou so kindly for your reply. >> >> It was very interesting too ! >> >> My grandmother was baptised at the age of 2 yrs 1889. >> No day or month given ,just the year ? >> Stating she was the adopted daughter of Mary (Nee Gallagher) and Charles >> Vallany/Vallely >> of Newcastle (uk). >> >> The reason I,m on this List is because both the Gallaghers & >> Vallany/Vallely >> although living >> in the northeast of England both had connections to Ireland. My >> grandmother >> remembered >> visitng Ireland when she was very small. Living in a house with lots of >> children.And a lady saying to her >> "Your English mammy is coming to collect you today " >> >> I also observed the witnesses to the baptism record as being Mary CULLEN >> & J >> HARRISON. >> >> Regards >> Angela >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> >> To: <irish-adoptees-search@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] adoption records ? >> >> >> > Hi Angela, Someone else might have some other thoughts on this, but >> > from my experience researching, I have never heard of any adoption >> > records that are available. >> > As to registration - If one or both of the parents chose to have the >> > child baptized in a parish church, there would be a record, but often >> > the child was baptized under the surname of the mother and it seems >> > quite often was not yet given a permanent Christian name but a sort of >> > parish assigned "alias" name, one standard name for female babies and >> > another standard name for male babies. >> > >> > Worse, civil registration was sort of done on an honor code to come in >> > and fill out the registration. It was not always done, and if done I >> > am not sure what surname would have been used. >> > I have never tried to track a child shown as illegitimate on a parish >> > record to see if the child is shown on the civil records and how it >> > may have been done. If I have time in the next few days I will see if >> > I can track one or two. >> > >> > Janet >> > >> > On 11/5/06, migran <migran@glaho.com> wrote: >> >> Were there any adoption records kept from 1884-1887 ? >> >> >> >> Would Illigitimate children born 1880s be registered ? >> >> >> >> Would it be possible to NOT register a birth ? >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Angela >> >> >> >> Researching : GALLAGHER: VALLANY/VALLELY: CULLEN: CASSIDY >> >> Ireland & England. >> >> _____________________________ >> >> To contact the list admin send an email to: >> >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > _____________________________ >> > To contact the list admin send an email to: >> > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > __________ NOD32 1.1855 (20061106) Information __________ >> > >> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> >> _____________________________ >> To contact the list admin send an email to: >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ NOD32 1.1856 (20061106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >
Angela, Have you worked on tracking down information of the sponsors, Mary Cullen & J. Harrison? Much information might be gained that direction. Janet On 11/6/06, migran <migran@glaho.com> wrote: > Hi Janet ! > > Thankyou so kindly for your reply. > > It was very interesting too ! > > My grandmother was baptised at the age of 2 yrs 1889. > No day or month given ,just the year ? > Stating she was the adopted daughter of Mary (Nee Gallagher) and Charles > Vallany/Vallely > of Newcastle (uk). > > The reason I,m on this List is because both the Gallaghers & Vallany/Vallely > although living > in the northeast of England both had connections to Ireland. My grandmother > remembered > visitng Ireland when she was very small. Living in a house with lots of > children.And a lady saying to her > "Your English mammy is coming to collect you today " > > I also observed the witnesses to the baptism record as being Mary CULLEN & J > HARRISON. > > Regards > Angela > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <irish-adoptees-search@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] adoption records ? > > > > Hi Angela, Someone else might have some other thoughts on this, but > > from my experience researching, I have never heard of any adoption > > records that are available. > > As to registration - If one or both of the parents chose to have the > > child baptized in a parish church, there would be a record, but often > > the child was baptized under the surname of the mother and it seems > > quite often was not yet given a permanent Christian name but a sort of > > parish assigned "alias" name, one standard name for female babies and > > another standard name for male babies. > > > > Worse, civil registration was sort of done on an honor code to come in > > and fill out the registration. It was not always done, and if done I > > am not sure what surname would have been used. > > I have never tried to track a child shown as illegitimate on a parish > > record to see if the child is shown on the civil records and how it > > may have been done. If I have time in the next few days I will see if > > I can track one or two. > > > > Janet > > > > On 11/5/06, migran <migran@glaho.com> wrote: > >> Were there any adoption records kept from 1884-1887 ? > >> > >> Would Illigitimate children born 1880s be registered ? > >> > >> Would it be possible to NOT register a birth ? > >> > >> Regards > >> Angela > >> > >> Researching : GALLAGHER: VALLANY/VALLELY: CULLEN: CASSIDY > >> Ireland & England. > >> _____________________________ > >> To contact the list admin send an email to: > >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > _____________________________ > > To contact the list admin send an email to: > > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1855 (20061106) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Adoption was illegal in Ireland until the 1952 Act. Prior to that, there did exist de facto adoptions, which were really more of a fostering arrangement, as no legal documents were filed or birth records amended. But most births were registered, even in remote areas. Although sometimes the practise of registering took some time, as it might be months before the Registrar could get out to a village or home or institution to register a birth. So often it's best advised to search birth records for up to two quarters after the date you're seeking, maybe even more. Variable spellings of names can be tricky, too, so watch for variable spellings of both fore- and surnames. And you'd be looking for a birth where the baby's surname matches the mother's and no father data might be listed. There's a helpful tracing guide for de facto or illegal adoptions at http://www.adoptionireland.com/services/trac_index.html. If you're not in Ireland and need some local assistance with records at Joyce House (the general registry office), let me know. Most of the local search volunteers are pretty backed up with requests, but I can definitely get you hooked up with one. Mari Steed US Coordinator AdoptionIreland www.adoptionirelandcom
Hi Janet ! Thankyou so kindly for your reply. It was very interesting too ! My grandmother was baptised at the age of 2 yrs 1889. No day or month given ,just the year ? Stating she was the adopted daughter of Mary (Nee Gallagher) and Charles Vallany/Vallely of Newcastle (uk). The reason I,m on this List is because both the Gallaghers & Vallany/Vallely although living in the northeast of England both had connections to Ireland. My grandmother remembered visitng Ireland when she was very small. Living in a house with lots of children.And a lady saying to her "Your English mammy is coming to collect you today " I also observed the witnesses to the baptism record as being Mary CULLEN & J HARRISON. Regards Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <irish-adoptees-search@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] adoption records ? > Hi Angela, Someone else might have some other thoughts on this, but > from my experience researching, I have never heard of any adoption > records that are available. > As to registration - If one or both of the parents chose to have the > child baptized in a parish church, there would be a record, but often > the child was baptized under the surname of the mother and it seems > quite often was not yet given a permanent Christian name but a sort of > parish assigned "alias" name, one standard name for female babies and > another standard name for male babies. > > Worse, civil registration was sort of done on an honor code to come in > and fill out the registration. It was not always done, and if done I > am not sure what surname would have been used. > I have never tried to track a child shown as illegitimate on a parish > record to see if the child is shown on the civil records and how it > may have been done. If I have time in the next few days I will see if > I can track one or two. > > Janet > > On 11/5/06, migran <migran@glaho.com> wrote: >> Were there any adoption records kept from 1884-1887 ? >> >> Would Illigitimate children born 1880s be registered ? >> >> Would it be possible to NOT register a birth ? >> >> Regards >> Angela >> >> Researching : GALLAGHER: VALLANY/VALLELY: CULLEN: CASSIDY >> Ireland & England. >> _____________________________ >> To contact the list admin send an email to: >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ NOD32 1.1855 (20061106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >
Hi Karen Thankyou for your reply ! I have a copy of my grandmothers baptism record. There is no date of birth given exept for the year 1887 and that she was aged 2 years old when they baptised her in 1889 in St. Marys Church in Newcastle (uk) I wrote to the church about this matter but they did not have anymore information to give. To complicate things, her death certificate says she was born 28th January 1884 ! Her adopted parents Mary (nee Gallagher) and Charles Vallany/Vallely never told her she was" adopted ".She discovered the truth much later on in life. What a shock it must have been. Like you I have tried different possiblities but end up where I started. Regards Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Carruthers" <karencarruthers@shaw.ca> To: <irish-adoptees-search@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH] adoption records ? > Hi Angela, > > Yes, its possible not to register a birth. I can only speak from my own > search experience though. My mother was born in1929. I have found her > baptismal record but there is no matching birth certificate in the Civil > Registry. I have tried various spellings, various birthdates, years etc. > No > luck. I was told by someone on this list that even in 1929, about 10 % or > all births weren't registered. I do know that illegitimate children were > registered in 1880's just by looking at the civil registry entries. You > might have more luck with the baptismal records. > -Karen > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ NOD32 1.1855 (20061106) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >
I had one further thought on baptisimal records. Sometimes the parent would avoid having to go before the local parish priest/minister and so would have the baby baptized in a nearby parish - that could be two or three parishes away. There could also be some lying going on in the civil records too. Janet On 11/6/06, K Carruthers <karencarruthers@shaw.ca> wrote: > Hi Angela, > > Yes, its possible not to register a birth. I can only speak from my own > search experience though. My mother was born in1929. I have found her > baptismal record but there is no matching birth certificate in the Civil > Registry. I have tried various spellings, various birthdates, years etc. No > luck. I was told by someone on this list that even in 1929, about 10 % or > all births weren't registered. I do know that illegitimate children were > registered in 1880's just by looking at the civil registry entries. You > might have more luck with the baptismal records. > -Karen > > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Angela, Someone else might have some other thoughts on this, but from my experience researching, I have never heard of any adoption records that are available. As to registration - If one or both of the parents chose to have the child baptized in a parish church, there would be a record, but often the child was baptized under the surname of the mother and it seems quite often was not yet given a permanent Christian name but a sort of parish assigned "alias" name, one standard name for female babies and another standard name for male babies. Worse, civil registration was sort of done on an honor code to come in and fill out the registration. It was not always done, and if done I am not sure what surname would have been used. I have never tried to track a child shown as illegitimate on a parish record to see if the child is shown on the civil records and how it may have been done. If I have time in the next few days I will see if I can track one or two. Janet On 11/5/06, migran <migran@glaho.com> wrote: > Were there any adoption records kept from 1884-1887 ? > > Would Illigitimate children born 1880s be registered ? > > Would it be possible to NOT register a birth ? > > Regards > Angela > > Researching : GALLAGHER: VALLANY/VALLELY: CULLEN: CASSIDY > Ireland & England. > _____________________________ > To contact the list admin send an email to: IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
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Were there any adoption records kept from 1884-1887 ? Would Illigitimate children born 1880s be registered ? Would it be possible to NOT register a birth ? Regards Angela Researching : GALLAGHER: VALLANY/VALLELY: CULLEN: CASSIDY Ireland & England.
Hi there ! ´Thankyou for the welcome :-) A question I have is ; My grandmother ETHEL VALLANY /VALLELY baptism record from ST. Marys Catholic Church in 1889 states she was adopted. The adoptees were MARY & CHARLES VALLANY/VALLELY. MARYs maiden name was GALLAGHER: They all lived in Newcastle Upon Tyne and Gateshead County Durham UK all from Irish families. Later Ethel lived in Sunderland. Ethel was born in 1887 according to the baptism record BUT no date of birth /month ? My grandmother remembered being taken to Ireland when she was very young just for visits. She never knew who her real parents were because Mary (Gallagher) and Charles Vallany/Vallely never told her. She dicovered she was adopted when she wanted to claim her old age pension and needed a birth certificate. (1944) by then they were deseased. My question is : Were adoption records taken in Ireland 1887+ ??? I just don't know where to begin ? They found the need to baptise her at the age of two years ?? Regards Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Donal O'Kelly To: migran Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 5:59 AM Subject: Re: subscribe Welcome migran. Hope we can get this list roaring. Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: migran To: IRISH-ADOPTEES-SEARCH-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: subscribe subscribe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 __________ NOD32 1.1853 (20061103) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 __________ NOD32 1.1853 (20061103) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 __________ NOD32 1.1853 (20061103) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Hi Angela, Yes, its possible not to register a birth. I can only speak from my own search experience though. My mother was born in1929. I have found her baptismal record but there is no matching birth certificate in the Civil Registry. I have tried various spellings, various birthdates, years etc. No luck. I was told by someone on this list that even in 1929, about 10 % or all births weren't registered. I do know that illegitimate children were registered in 1880's just by looking at the civil registry entries. You might have more luck with the baptismal records. -Karen