Joan, many thanks for your info re the black and the tans. You mention that there is a Belfast City Mailing list, would you happen to know the address for this list.? Many thanks Sharron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/02