Thanks for the info re the black and the tan. I'm afraid I'm somewhat lost in the history of it all as I'm in Australia and only in my 30's. There wasn't much Irish history taught to us at school over here. The story through our family was that they chased them (my gg grandfather and his brother? and bashed one of them quite severely. I was never told why. What did one do to them to cause this or was it just some sort of standard practice etc? What time period are we looking at? Thanks again Sharron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/02