Hello -- Me again, check with the IreAtlas Townland Database at http://www.seanruad.com/ -- or at Ed Finn's website http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/ (which contains databases from other Irish counties). I found a "Crowsgrove" Townland of 433 acres in the same general location as Monaughrim Townland and Ballypierce Townland in Co. Carlow - same CP, same PLU. The fact that these are all located close together is probably your best clue. The only "Crowsnest" I found was in Co. Galway, CP Clontuskert, PLU Ballinaslow, but that is in the Province of Connaught. There is also a Crow Island in Co. Cork, CP of Kilnamanagh. Also a Crowey Townland of 66 acres in Co. Monaghan, CP Tehallan, PLU Monaghan. You can enter part of a location such as "crow," in the townland database and you will get some other possibilities. There is a book in genealogy libraries that lists townlands and villages in Ireland who are no longer there or who have had a name/spelling change. Also, a library general gazetter would list all present-day Crowsnest locations in the world. Try to obtain documents on your family via the county historical societies in the KNOWN places they lived in the USA (Carbon Co. PA?) in exchange for a donation. I have done this with wonderful results! If you subscribe first to their interesting periodical (in which you can place a query to be seen by nonInternet researchers) they will likely go all out to help you. The year-end issues have an everyname index. Turn of the century (1900) marriage applications (as opposed to marriage certificates) often give much information on the parents of the bride & groom. A historical society volunteer should be able to come up with documents such as wills, land records, b/m/d extracts, marriage applications, newspaper articles on your people as they are most familiar with their resources, surnames, and very interested in "their" county. I did this, and it was the best investment in genealogy ($50) I ever spent! I also found information on my families in old USA county history books (which can be ordered via free interlibrary loan program with the help of your reference librarian) just because they were early settlers, belonged to various fraternal, religious and agricultural organizations, held office, were school teachers, volunteered in the Civil War, etc. Do don't need the exact title of a book or author, just order a "history book" for that county. Read about the county, who went there and why. First seen what your library has on its shelves. Your reference librarian can also help you obtain microfilmed copies of old USA newspapers to look for death notices. She (or he) has reference books that tell which newspapers were in print in particular locations in particular years and how to obtained microfilmed copies to view. Order the newspapers for the two days following a death. Be sure and check the obit and death notice pages both. If you don't have an exact death date, but have an idea of where and when, check with your local LDS FHC or genealogy library. They have microfilmed death indices which are divided by state and approximately 10-year increments and give name of deceased, place of death, age at death, spouse's name and, best of all, the exact number of the death certificate. The microfilmed 1900 USA Federal Census gives date of immigration, whether naturalized or an alien, and date of naturalization. While you are at your genealogy library, check for the Filby volumes. Mr. Filby transcribed data from hundreds of passenger lists of immigrants to the USA and Canada. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Rice" <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Fw: [IGW] Monanghrin? Monaughrim and Ballypierce Townlands, Co. Carlow > Hi, Perhaps you are looking for Monaughrim Townland, 982 acres in Co. > Carlow, Civil Parish of Moyacomb, Poor Law Union of Shillelagh, Barony St. > Mullin's Upper, Province of Leinster. That would agree with the fact that > there is also a Ballypierce Townland in Co. Carlow, same PLU, same Barony, > but in the Civil Parish of Barragh. > > Note, your Co. Louth is also in the Province of Leinster. > > (There is also placenames of Ballypierce for Cos. Cork & Limerick, but I > imagine what you are referring to is Co. Carlow). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RAILRIDER503@aol.com> > To: <IrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 1:51 PM > Subject: [IGW] Monanghrin? i have baptisms for this county. but can't locate > this county > > > > has this county changed names. in the last 150 years? > > Mary Roach, Baptism 02/16/1857 in Monanghrim > > Michael Roach , Baptism 06/19/1859 in Monanghrim > > Lawrence Roach, Baptism 12/08/1861 in Monanghrin > > > > thier parents where. Julia Devereux and Patrick Roach. they where maried > > 02/03/1856 in Roman Catholic chapel, Crowsgrove, Ireland > > > > Julia's parents where. James devereux and Mary Doyle. Julia is belived > born > > in Ballypierce with the rest of her siblings. her brother michael and > Thomas. > > seperatly bolth went to America. Michael is belived to have returned after > > only being there a short while. Thomas Devereux. met and maried Margaret > jane > > Callan/Callen. from Louth county. Ireland. however when they met. Margaret > > jane had already come to America. and was living with her family in Mauch > > chunk, Carbon county Pennsylvania. they all arived in 1850. aborn the > "Star > > of the West". with Margaret and her family. is her aunt Catherine Morgan. > who > > came with her sister Jane Morgan and her husband Peter Callan/Callen. > > > > any help with this family is apreciated. i have more if anyone wants more > > information.