A LEITRIM WOMAN People of Ireland -- I am an old woman; I am near my end; I have lived, now, for seventy-five years in your midst; I have grown up among you, toiled among you, suffered with you and enjoyed with you; I have given and received in faith and honour; what was to be endured I have endured, what was to be fought against I have fought against, what was to be done I have done; I have married in my country; I have borne two men-children and three women-children, two sons and three daughters of a Fenian father; I have brought them up to love and serve Ireland, to fight for her to death, to work for her at home and abroad, to cherish the old glory of Ireland and to strive manfully to bring in new light -- to go forward; I have brought them up in faith, to know freedom, and love justice, to take sides with the poor against their spoilers, against the leaders who say to a strong class "Hold all thou hast, take all thou canst," to unbind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne from men's shoulders, to render unto the people what is the people's; I have brought them up to believe in our Lord's prayer, to believe in the coming of his Kingdom upon earth and to labour that it come indeed; The strength of my body has gone into the soil of this land, and the strength of my children's bodies; the strength of my soul and the strength of my children's soul has been given in the cause of the people of this land; I have suffered, I have endured, when they were in exile and in danger of death -- now my husband and one son are dead, my last son deported without trial, uncharged -- the spoilers and their friends the strong and their helpers have taken him from me; I am old, now, and near to death; those who would have supported me and eased my going have been taken from me -- I looked for a little peace before the hour of my departure, my last son in the house with me, to see me into the grave, they have drive him forth -- may the curse of heaven, if there be a heaven, light on them; the curse of the widow and childless light on them; the curse of the poor without advocates, the curse of the old without protection, the curse of a mother light on them. -- Lyle Donaghy (1902-1949)

Hi Jack - The Young Ireland nationalist group was active in Ireland 1842-8, the group comprised mainly of middle-class graduates from both Catholic and Protestant backgrounds, of Trinity College, Dublin. Young Ireland had little popular support outside Dublin or amongst the Catholic clergy, and was divided over its political strategy. Their legacy lay not in the insurrectionary fiasco of 1848, but with their success in infusing a romantic sense of nationality into subsequent generations of Irish nationalists. No expert here, and doesn't answer your particular queries, but the end of the American Civil War released thousands of Irish-American officers for possible Fenian activities in Ireland. Difficulties of integration and prejudice experienced by Irish immigrants in America kept attention focused on Ireland and her problems while in New York revolutionary groups, which continued to exist after those in Ireland had collapsed, produced men ready to continue the independence struggle - a Fenian organization in America that paralleled that in Ireland. There were also successful recruitments of some individuals in Britain's Irish community and the British army. While Fenian revolutionary activities in 1866 and 1867 were short-lived, defeated by informers, bad weather, a well-prepared government, and a disciplined army --agitation for an amnesty for Fenian prisoners and outrage at the execution of the Manchester martyrs mobilized nationalist opinion on a scale the Fenians themselves had never achieved, and provided the basis for the launching of the home rule movement. On 18 September 1867 Thomas KELLY and Timothy DEASY, two leading Fenians, were being transported from the courthouse in Manchester to the county jail when the police van containing them was attacked. The prisoners escaped, but an unarmed police sergeant was shot dead. Twenty-nine arrests followed, and in November five men were convicted of murder. One was subsequently pardoned and another's sentence was commuted, but three men, William O'Meara ALLEN, Michael LARKIN, and William O'BRIEN were hanged. The deaths of these 'Manchester martyrs' prompted a partial reconciliation between the Catholic church and Fenianism, and a groundswell of popular sympathy for the Fenian movement in Ireland. In addition the rising moved GLADSTONE to initiate reforms that would culminate in his conversion to home rule. A complex personality, William Ewart GLADSTONE (1809-98), British prime minister and Liberal Party leader, son of a Liverpool merchant, educated at Eton and Oxford, his ultimate commitment to Ireland was based on a variety of motives: a profound moral sense; an acceptance, born of the Fenian rising of 1867, that Ireland was a separate nationality requiring distinctive treatment; and, relatedly, the realization that constitutional reorganization was necessary if the essential integrity of the United Kingdom and its interests were to be safeguarded. Save your microfilm-strained eyes! Check out one or more of these transcribed old newspaper resources on the Internet to get a feel of what was going on during a particular time period. If you are interested in a particular location (Charleston, etc.) or an organization, you could try using those keywords there and also conduct some "Google" searches, in general, to locate informative websites highlighting Ireland's past revolutionary organizations and secret societies. . Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Newspaper Abstracts http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/Ireland/index.htm Irish in Iowa http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/index.htm Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Connors" <jjc@nf.sympatico.ca> To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] Mid 1800s in Ireland > I'm looking for some help and advise, if an ancestor was getting guns and > bringing them to Ireland, say in the 1850s to 1870s time frame and > probably > because of that activity there was a ransom place on his head from England > which stated in part, "if the person was caught that he would be hung from > the nearest ship" . One scenario about how the guns were aquired went some > like the following; > > a) Pick up Cod, other fish in St.John's and sail to Charleston. > b) Sell for the fish money, provision the ship and then on to Kingston, > Jamaica > c) Buy fresh fruit, molasses there and sail back to Charleston. > d) Exchange the molasses and fruit for guns, > e) Provision the ship, then sail on to Ireland with weapons. As ransom was > on his head would he stay away from Ulster? > perhaps operating out of Cork or Waterford/ Wexford? > > Does any of this sound legit to any of your researchers. While some of > these > facts may have been altered over time, there appears to be some > consistency > with respect to his either being hung or the ransom to be hung. If this > was > going on, who might be be working with in Ireland. The Young Irelanders, > Fenians, or some other group at the time whose objective was the free > Ireland. > > Any advise would be welcome, my eyes are burning trying to read old > newspapers from micro-film! > > Regards > Jack Connors

I'm looking for some help and advise, if an ancestor was getting guns and bringing them to Ireland, say in the 1850s to 1870s time frame and probably because of that activity there was a ransom place on his head from England which stated in part, "if the person was caught that he would be hung from the nearest ship" . One scenario about how the guns were aquired went some like the following; a) Pick up Cod, other fish in St.John's and sail to Charleston. b) Sell for the fish money, provision the ship and then on to Kingston, Jamaica c) Buy fresh fruit, molasses there and sail back to Charleston. d) Exchange the molasses and fruit for guns, e) Provision the ship, then sail on to Ireland with weapons. As ransom was on his head would he stay away from Ulster? perhaps operating out of Cork or Waterford/ Wexford? Does any of this sound legit to any of your researchers. While some of these facts may have been altered over time, there appears to be some consistency with respect to his either being hung or the ransom to be hung. If this was going on, who might be be working with in Ireland. The Young Irelanders, Fenians, or some other group at the time whose objective was the free Ireland. Any advise would be welcome, my eyes are burning trying to read old newspapers from micro-film! Regards Jack Connors

I have just put the tithe applotments online on the County Limerick section of my website for the Grange Civil Parish, dated 1830. Included on the same film were the tithes for East Grange parish, County Limerick, dated 1833. I also have them online and evidently at the time they were considered two separate parishes. Remember, if you find a name that you believe is an ancestor, check the film before documenting the tithe as a source document. Handwriting and filming tend to lead to mistakes in transcribing plus there is usually more info in the document than I transcribe. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi Pat - Perhaps your Gilhoule kin are to be found with the more common Gilhooley spelling??? J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Graiguenamanagh Civil Parish You wrote: > Now, if I could only find my Connors/McEntee/Flanagan/Gilhoule people in > these tithes! > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Alice - What was your grandfather's name? Do you know anything more? "The British Navy" - Alfred Stenzel and Adolf Sonnenschein (1898) - has been transcribed as a "Google" book on line and I believe you can still likely locate an out-of-print copy. Just "google" the title and use the keyword Cork for searching the contents at the website. An excerpt: "The small yard Haulbowline in the harbour of Queenstown near Cork, which stands under a Rear-Admiral acting as 'Senior Officer on the Coast of Ireland'; he discharges in a way the functions of Port Admiral for all Ireland and the whole island belongs to his range of command; the operations however are not extensive, Haul- bowline being fitted neither for building ships nor for fitting them out, but only for smaller repairs and for the supply of various kinds of stores, principally coals. It is a base of operations for the fleet on the South coast of Ireland." A Cork website found on a Google search: " The five largest islands in Cork Harbour are Great Island, Fota Island, Little Island, Haulbowline Island and Spike Island. All, with the exception of Spike Island, are now connected to the mainland. The headquarters of the Irish Navy is on Haulbowline Island. Before its handover to the Irish State in 1838, Cork Harbour was also an important base for the British Navy. Many old fortifications dot the hills of the harbour. The construction of these started in the 17th century. Fort Camden (Davis) and Fort Carlisle (Meagher) act as sentinels on either side of the entrance to the Harbour. Fort Westmoreland (Mitchell) on Spike Island has been used until recently as a detention centre. Five Martello Towers were built after the Napoleonic Wars finished in 1815. Three are on the north side of Great Island, one is on Haulbowline Island and the largest is at Ringaskiddy." ***An extensive history at the following website with photographs: http://www.palmerstonforts.org.uk/redan/cork.htm ***There is another website which I found on a Google search using the "phrase" British Army and the keyword Stenzel. This website's author appears to have an extensive knowledge about the British Navy and amassed a huge library of same; perhaps there is a viable e-mail address there for an inquiry. At the very least, he has listed sources for further study. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Simon_Harley/Library ----- Original Message ----- From: <dmrkls@aol.com> To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] question about British Navy > Is there a way to track the Irish lads who served in the British Navy?? my > Grampa supposedly served in such out of Cork Harbor around the time of the > Boer Wars in Africa. Thank you for any leads. Alice

> > What will tomorrow bring? Well, thanks for letting me know these tithes are helping you. Today I will be transcribing and getting online Grange Civil Parish in County Limerick. Yesterday, while at my local Family History Center I took advantage of a tithes film someone else ordered so I scanned the Nantinan and Newcastle civil parishes from County Limerick and Neddans, Nenagh, Newchapel and Newcastle from County Tipperary. Those will be transcribed and going online in a few weeks because after Grange, I have some Troy NY census work to do first. Now, if I could only find my Connors/McEntee/Flanagan/Gilhoule people in these tithes! -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

MEMORY LANE: Poetess and photographer from Co. Leitrim, Mary GUCKIAN writes: "I grew up on a small farm where life was busy and at times exhausting, with cycling to school, doing my lessons, collecting food from the local store, helping out with my six younger sisters and brothers. Time flew and my teenage years passed rapidly. At seventeen, I went to work in a town 35 miles from home. It was here I began to have more time for myself as the official working day finished at 5:30 p.m. After eating my dinner, cooked in the digs, I began to get involved in local events that were open to outsiders. Most of my working colleagues were in the Legion of Mary so it was natural that I should join when lobbied by them. A meeting took place one evening each week, and another was spent visiting the sick at the local psychiatric hospital and the County Home for old people who were bed-ridden. Many of the patients did not have visitors and therefore were delighted with the company! I also learned First Aid at Civil Defence and attended craft classes in embroidery and tapestry. Before long I also began to attend the local dances that were held on Friday nights. I had no idea about dancing but having moved into a flat, the girls I shared with, gave me some lessons on how to move around the floor without tripping my partner, or standing on his toes. On my first trip to the dance hall, I discovered I had to overcome the hurdle of standing in the cold hall, waiting to be asked to dance. This took a lot of getting use to, for up to then, work consumed my life and I never knew what it was like to stand around and wait. Every minute of my time had been occupied, whether it was using a few free minutes to take up my knitting, or making garments for myself and my family, and even for my cousins, of which there were plenty, all younger than myself. Even after I left home, I was never idle in my spare time, as I continued to make my own clothes, having purchased a sewing machine with savings from my first few pay packets. The waiting situation was made worse by the fact that in order to get a seat on the bus, I had to go before 9:30 p.m., which meant I was at the hall very early. The band spent about an hour preparing the sound and the microphones, and many of the men only arrived after they had spent some time in the local pubs. Standing around waiting was certainly a huge culture shock and all sorts of thoughts went through my head. What if I didn't get asked to dance? How would I respond if someone did ask me? These dances, however, soon became a part of my life and I began to enjoy hearing different showbands play, and listening to the words of their songs. At the end of the working week I looked forward to hearing "The Capital Showband," "The Royal Blues," "The Melody Acres," "The Drifters," "The Miami Showband," and the "High Lows." Listening to the music was satisfying, and even if men were scarce, as many had emigrated in the fifties and early sixties to England, it was the songs and the tunes that made life pleasant. Reared without a radio until I was thirteen, I heard little music before then. Bridie GALLAGHER and Ruby MURRAY were two women I heard sing on the sponsored programmes when I was at home: one of their most popular tunes was "The Boys from the County Armagh." Sometimes in the evening my father might sing "Three Lovely Lassies from Bannion and I am the Best of Them All," or "The Old Bog Road." Once he picked up a leaflet at a fair with words of "The Croppy Boy" and "The Wild Colonial Boy." We did have a gramophone at home, which was taken out a few times a year. Tunes like "The Stack O Barley" were played from the records, which came from America, through my Uncle Willie. John McCORMACK also. The other place I listened to singing was at the Church, at Sunday Benediction, where people sang such hymns as "Tantum Ergo," "Faith of Our Fathers," and "We stand for God and for His Glory," very enthusiastically. "The Leitrim Observer" regularly printed the words of songs, and I enjoyed reading them, and cutting out the words for pasting in my old copybooks." Excerpt, "Road to Gowel," Swan Press (Dublin) 2000.

A hearty "thank you" to Pat Connors! -Greg Swartz -----Original Message----- From: irelandgenweb-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irelandgenweb-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Wood Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 11:27 AM To: irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Graiguenamanagh Civil Parish Pat Connors You've done it again ... 2 days in a row you have posted new additions to your Tithes databases that are just what I'e been looking for. Whoopeee! Yesterday there were my Mahons in Grange, Co Galway ... and today there are my Murphys in Graiguenamanagh Civil Parish.. What will tomorrow bring? Thank you! Pat Wood Fircrest, WA Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ Great place to get help with your family research. County Clare has been adopted! Help wanted: County Coordinators ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ EMAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This Email message, and any attachments, may contain confidential patient health information that is legally protected. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. The authorized recipient of this information is prohibited from disclosing this information to any other party unless required to do so by law or regulation and is required to destroy the information after its stated need has been fulfilled. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or action taken in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and delete the message from your system.

Pat Connors   You've done it again ... 2 days in a row you have posted new additions to your Tithes databases that are just what I'e been looking for. Whoopeee!   Yesterday there were my Mahons in Grange, Co Galway ... and today there are my Murphys in Graiguenamanagh Civil Parish..   What will tomorrow bring?   Thank you! Pat Wood Fircrest, WA 

SNIPPET: Rudyard KIPLING (1865-1936) wrote prose and poetry about the British Empire and gained renown throughout the world. He was also known as a leading supporter of the British Empire. He received the 1907 Nobel prize for literature. In many of his works, he implied that it was the duty of Great Britain to carry "the white man's burden" by civilizing backward races. But he was not just the shallow imperialist that his critics tried to make him appear. His famous poem, "Recessional, " written in 1897 in honor of QUEEN VICTORIA's Diamond Jubilee, contains a strong warning to the British not to exploit other races. KIPLING was born 30 Dec 1865, in Bombay, where his father directed an art school. He learned the Hindustani language from his nurse, and he also learned stories of the jungle animals. At six he was sent to school in England, but until he was 12, poor health kept him from attending. At college, he edited the school newspaper. He wrote of his school-day adventures in "Stalky & Co." (1899). At 17, KIPLING returned to India and soon became a journalist. He wrote sketches and verses which at first were used as "fillers" for unused editorial space. Many were later published in "Departmental Ditties" (1886). At this time he created his "soldiers three," an Irishman, a Cockney, and a Yorkshireman. In 1889, KIPLING returned to England. He described the journey in "From Sea to Sea" (1899). In 1890, he published "The Light That Failed," a frank picture of human suffering and misery. For four years he lived in Brattleboro, VT, where his wife owned property, and there he wrote about Mowgli. "All the Mowgli Stories" shows Mowgli with Baloo, a bear, and Bagheera, a panther. KIPLING was so popular in America that several towns were named for him. He returned to England in 1896. By then, he was a controversial figure because of his attitude toward empire, which many misunderstood. It was only after his death that a fair estimate could be made of his views on the subject. In 1900, KIPLING went to South Africa to report the Boer War for an English newspaper. He wrote the popular "Puck of Pook's Hill: (1906) for children. Before WW-I, he became active in politics. He favored the draft, but not woman suffrage. During the war, he lectured and wrote for the British cause. His only son was killed in WW-I. As stated. KIPLING interested himself in the romance and adventure which he found in Great Britain's colonial expansion. Examples of the courage and skill of soldiers often appear in his stories. Many of his poems and short stories praise the people of the colonies. One of his best examples is the poem "Fuzzy-Wuzzy," which praises the courage of the fuzzy-haired warriors who could sometimes defeat the British soldiers. He wrote, too, of folk legends, and he created animal myths. "The Jungle Book" (1894) and "Just So Stories" (1902) give the wit and wisdom of animals who can talk. Many of the stories in "Soldiers Three" (1888) are full of humor, but others, such as "The Mark of the Beast," are horror tales. Some, like "The Phantom 'Rickshaw," concern supernatural incidents. KIPLING also wrote thoughtful stories about the relations of the British with the people of the colonies. "Without Benefit of Clergy" is a love story on this theme. His poems usually have a lively, swinging rhythm. Typical are "Gunga Din" and "Mandalay." The first tells of the courage of an Indian boy who is shot while carrying water to British soldiers in the thick of battle. "Mandalay" tries to capture the strange atmosphere of the East. KIPLING gave us a wide variety of characters. In "Soldiers Three" and "Plain Tales from the Hills" (1888), there are the three droll soldiers. There is Gunga Din, and most of all, Mowgli, the "man-cub," who appears in the Jungle Books. "Barrack-Room Ballads: (1891), written in the language of a soldier, established a picture of a British soldier's life for many readers. KIPLING's first successful novel was "Kim" (1905). In it he gives a colorful and dramatic picture of the complicated life of the Indian people, as seen through the eyes of the poor orphan boy, Kim. "Captains Courageous" (1897), a story of deep-sea fishermen, is one of his most dramatic stories of the sea. KIPLING's other books include "Rewards and Fairies" (1909), a volume of short stories. His poetry collections include "The Seven Seas: (1896), "Songs from Books" (1912), and "Songs for Youth" (1925). Of Ireland, he wrote: "Where there are Irish there's loving and fighting/And when we stop either, it's Ireland no more!" -- Excerpts, "The World Book Encyclopedia"

I have just put both the tithe applotments and the Griffith's Valuation for the Grange Civil Parish on the County Galway section of my website. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Is there a way to track the Irish lads who served in the British Navy?? my Grampa supposedly served in such out of Cork Harbor around the time of the Boer Wars in Africa. Thank you for any leads. Alice -----Original Message----- From: Jean R. <jeanrice@cet.com> To: irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Added Note from Lister: British Army (Ireland's Regiments) active in 1881 Jean, Further to your posting on the list of Irish regiments, a lister on the Lanark site sent me this little snippet. I remember that Rudyard Kipling's only child, a son, was killed in WWI, but I did not know he served with an Irish regiment. I don't know if this has anything to do with Kipling introducing one of the soldier characters as speaking with an Irish dialect. I can't remember the title, though...Gunga Din Din? Sorry I can't confirm this on the internet as my computer is dying a slow death. Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean & John Johnston" To: "Maisie Egger" <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> Sent: 2009-05-14 11:01 Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: [Irish Genealogy] British Army (Ireland's Regiments)active in 1881 > Hi Maisie, > > Rudyard Kipling's son died on the Western Front while serving in the Irish > Guards, not listed. > > Best Wishes, > > John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] British Army (Ireland's Regiments) active in 1881 > 1881: The British Army establishment comprised Regiments from > Scotland,Ireland, England & Wales. Following list may help point > researchers > in the right direction. > <snip> Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ Great place to get help with your family research. County Clare has been adopted! Help wanted: County Coordinators ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alice - Not sure if these pertain to your FH, but some genealogy resources for Navy: 1. "The Navy List", 1814, 1819, 1827-79, 1885 et seq. NL (National Library of Ireland, Dublin) reference 35905 Top Floor. Seniority and disposition lists of all commissioned officers, masters, pursers, surgeons, chaplains, yard officers, coast guards, revenue cruisers, packets. 2. Records of the Public Record Office, KEW (England). See "Naval Records for Genealogists", N. A. M. Rodger, HMSO (1984). 3. "A Naval Biographical Dictionary: (1849), W.R. O'Byrne, NL (Dublin) reference. 9235 0 1 Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <dmrkls@aol.com> To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] question about British Navy > Is there a way to track the Irish lads who served in the British Navy?? my > Grampa supposedly served in such out of Cork Harbor around the time of the > Boer Wars in Africa. Thank you for any leads. Alice

I have just put the tithe applotments online on the County Kilkenny section of my website for Graiguenamanagh Civil Parish. There are over 500 names and it is dated 1822. A couple of weeks ago I put the tithes for the County Kilkenny civil parishes of Ullid and Urlingford online. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Jean, Further to your posting on the list of Irish regiments, a lister on the Lanark site sent me this little snippet. I remember that Rudyard Kipling's only child, a son, was killed in WWI, but I did not know he served with an Irish regiment. I don't know if this has anything to do with Kipling introducing one of the soldier characters as speaking with an Irish dialect. I can't remember the title, though...Gunga Din Din? Sorry I can't confirm this on the internet as my computer is dying a slow death. Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean & John Johnston" To: "Maisie Egger" <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> Sent: 2009-05-14 11:01 Subject: Re: [Lanark] Fw: [Irish Genealogy] British Army (Ireland's Regiments)active in 1881 > Hi Maisie, > > Rudyard Kipling's son died on the Western Front while serving in the Irish > Guards, not listed. > > Best Wishes, > > John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] British Army (Ireland's Regiments) active in 1881 > 1881: The British Army establishment comprised Regiments from > Scotland,Ireland, England & Wales. Following list may help point > researchers > in the right direction. > <snip>

1881: The British Army establishment comprised Regiments from Scotland,Ireland, England & Wales. Following list may help point researchers in the right direction. Ireland's Regiments Royal Irish Fusiliers (Princess Victoria's) (87/89) from the 87th Royal Irish Fusiliers & 89th Regiment. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (27/108) from the 27th Enniskilling & 108th Madras Infantry. The Royal Irish Regiment 18th The Connaught Rangers (88/94) from the 88th Connaught Rangers & 94th Regiment of Foot. The Royal Irish Rifles (83/86) from 83rd County of Dublin & 86th Royal County Down. The Royal Dublin Fusiliers (102/103) from 102nd Royal Madras Fusiliers and the 103rd Royal Bombay Fusiliers. The Prince of Wales's (Royal Canadian) Leinster Regiment (100/109) from the 100th Regiment of Foot Prince of Wales's Royal Canadian & 109th Bengal Infantry. The Royal Munster Fusiliers (102/103) from the 102nd Royal Madras Fusiliers & the 103rd Royal Bombay Fusiliers.

Hi Ray, Either the email address has been changed, or he is too busy to answer, which I find very surprising. Have you his telephone number and is it possible for you to ring him? I have contacted rellies in Tralee, Co Kerry Ireland and have been given the correct codes from the international telephone exchange. It has only cost me $5 Australian for a 30 minute call, but have to call after 7 pm here with the 10 hour difference in our time zone. Also you could google Sligo Real Estate and see if the house is listed with other agents in the area you are looking for. I have done this when querying house prices in Malta and Gozo and sometimes the same house is with a few agents and many times, the prices are given. Or.. perhaps you could contact Jean at the above email address of irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com who might have more info than I can give you. Wish I could help...good luck. Mary Mizzi from Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Briggs" <raybriggs9999@yahoo.com> To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Brief Overview of Irish History Hi Mary, You have helped me in the past. Can you tell me how to get a realtor to respond regarding a Farm he is advertising for sale in Sligo, Ireland ? This is my Wife's mother family home. I want to ask the selling price I get no reply to several e-mails to the realtor. Is this common to people outside Ireland regarding property for sale ? Ray Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ Great place to get help with your family research. County Clare has been adopted! Help wanted: County Coordinators ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jean, I have the history of my Ancestors, the Fitzgeralds, who came over with the Normans and settled in Ireland. I have also heard that the Fitzgeralds were known for their fight to keep Catholicism in Ireland. Where can I find any history about this family please between the1700 and 1800's,as I am trying to find which member of this family is my line. I have gone back to 1784 for the birthdate of Timothy Fitzgerald whose father was Redmond Fitzgerald. If I knew the branch he came from, I could link him to the history that I have in my files. I think they were in Cork, Limerick and Kerry. Hope you can help. Kind regards, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] Brief Overview of Irish History > BRIEF HISTORY: The first people who settled in Ireland were hunters, > probably from Scotland, who arrived in Co. Antrim c. 7000 BC. By 3000 BC > tribes from the Mediterranean were building megalithic tombs all over > Ireland which reveal a high degree of civilization. The most spectacular > are > the passage graves at Newgrange, Co. Meath, Carrowmore and Lough Crew, all > of which can be visited. The National Museum in Dublin has a collection of > masterpieces from this period: gold collars, torcs, dress fasteners and > hair > ornaments. The Celts arrived around 300 BC bringing their distinctive > culture, laws and customs. The Irish language derives from a dialect of > Celtic, and "The Tain" is an epic account of Celtic life at that time. In > the 5th century ST. PATRICK brought Christianity from Britain, > establishing > monasteries which became not only centres of learning but in effect small > towns. Places associated with Patrick include Slane, Co. Meath, where he > lit > a Paschal fire in defiance of the Druids, Tara where he used the shamrock > to > convince the high king about the Trinity and Downpatrick where a crude > slab > marks his grave. > > Irish monks produced a large number of beautifully illustrated > manuscripts, > among them the Books of Durrow, Armagh and Kells, which can be seen in > Trinity College Dublin. The monasteries of Clonmacnoise, Glendalough and > Kildare drew scholars from all over Europe. In turn Irish missionaries > took > education and religion to every corner of Europe. At the same time > craftsmen > were producing exquisite reliquaries, brooches, belts and personal > adornments made of gold and studded with precious stones (see the Ardagh > Chalice and Cross of Cong in the National Museum). This period is rightly > known as the golden age. > > The wealth of the monasteries and their towns attracted the Vikings, who > swept in burning and killing. Distinctive round towers and bell towers > were > built as a refuge from them. Later the Vikings settled around the coast > and > founded towns such as Cork, Waterford, Limerick and Dublin . They were > finally defeated by BRIAN BORU at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014. > > On his death, inter-kingdom rivalry led to a century of chaos until the > Normans arrived from England and brought order and prosperity. They were > so > well assimilated into Irish society that the English crown decided a > reconquest was needed. Ulster put up fierce resistance under Hugh O'NEILL > and Hugh O' DONNELL but they were finally defeated at the Battle of > Kinsale > in 1601. Their exile and that of the Gaelic aristocracy is known as the > "flight of the earls." The systematic dispossession of the natives and > settlement of migrants from England and Scotland followed. This division > of > Protestant settler and native Catholic has had repercussions ever since. > > The campaign of Oliver CROMWELL in Ireland is infamous and lives on in > folk > memory as the "curse of Cromwell." His approach to the Irish problem was > drastic: the remaining lands were taken from their owners; those who could > prove themselves loyal were exiled to Connacht, while others were put to > death. JAMES II was deposed from the English throne for trying to impose > Catholicism on the English by WILLIAM of ORANGE in 1688. William then > defeated him at the Battle of the Boyne on 12 July 1690. This battle is > celebrated each year as Orangeman's Day, a public holiday in Northern > Ireland. > > James was replaced by Patrick SARSFIELD, and the war dragged on until the > signing of the Treaty of Limerick, which was accompanied by the imposition > of harsh penal laws. This oppression, coupled with grinding poverty and > recurring food shortages, set the pattern for more than a century. A > series > of revolts at the end of the 18th century culminated with the French > invasion of Killala, Co. Mayo. Although initially successful it was > finally > suppressed with great slaughter. > > The Act of Union in 1800 abolished the Dublin parliament and removed power > to London. Daniel O' CONNELL's election to Westminster (which, as a > Catholic, he was forbidden to enter) led to the repeat of the more > oppressive laws and to Catholic emancipation. A firm believer in > non-violence, he came near to the repeal of the union but his final years > were clouded by the Great Famine when nearly a million died and two > million > emigrated. > > PARNELL became leader of the Home Rule Party in 1877, and, with > GLADSTONE's > support, a home rule bill nearly succeeded. Other leaders followed: Arthur > GRIFFITH founded Sinn Fein as a non-violent movement and James LARKIN and > James CONNOLLY became key people in the labour movement. In 1912 the > Commons > passed the home rule bill. Ireland was to have self-government after WWI. > > There was no rejoicing among the Protestants in Ulster. They quickly armed > themselves to fight to maintain the link with Britain. In Dublin a group > of > volunteers decided they could not wait for the end of the war, and began > the > Easter Rising of 1916. Although unsuccessful and condemned by most Irish > people, the executing of its leaders changed public opinion. The > Anglo-Irish > war lasted from 1919 to 1921. > > The Treaty of 1921 gave independence to 26 of the 32 counties: six of the > Ulster counties remained under British rule with a parliament in Belfast. > A > sector of the Republican movement opposed this compromise and a bitter > civil > war followed, culminating in the death of Michael COLLINS, the young Cork > man who masterminded the war of independence. WWII imposed great strains > on > the Free State (economically stagnant for many years) which stayed > neutral. > Sean LEMASS later adopted a more vigorous, expansionist economic policy > which brought new prosperity and paved the way for Ireland's entry to the > European Economic Community (EEC) in 1972. Today the Republic of Ireland > is > a parliamentary democracy with a president as head of state. > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > > Great place to get help with your family research. > > County Clare has been adopted! > > Help wanted: County Coordinators > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for this, Jean. I just rented the film, "The Wind that Shakes the Barley:" from Netflix. Very interesting, and poignant, about the Black and Tans period in Ireland in the early 1920s. My grandmother's brother, Padraic Boylan, was caught by the B&Ts, and tied behind a car and dragged along the road. He got loose and hid in the river most of the day. He got TB afterwards, and died. This film really helped me to understand that period, and how complex and sad the consequences, brother fighting brother. Nancy