Hi Everyone, The Ellis Island website allows you to search for immigrants from about 1890 onward- my ancestors came over during the potato famine, which was in the years just before that, so I can't search for them in the Ellis Island database. Does anyone know where they might have come through (would it still be Ellis Island?), and anyone know where I might search for the passenger lists? Thanks! Jennifer on 3/7/02 8:41 PM, susan patt spencer at teacup@ipns.com wrote: > Hello Jean and all, > > I also found my grandmother, Annie Meighan, immediately on the Ellis Island > site, and I have looked at many different rolls of NARA film trying to > accomplish this over the years, but inevitably ALL the details never seemed > to match. I typed in her name and POOF, there she was! and ALL the details > matched this time. Anyway, I too found the site incredibly cumbersome, but > my computer is not the fastest either:-) > > Sorry I don't have any answers for you, I just wanted to commiserate! > > susan > > > ==== IrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== > This list is sponsored by the IrelandGenWeb Project - > http://www.irelandgenweb.com >

I have copies of the Kelly's that came through the Western District of New York. If anyone wants I will look through the copies and if I find the person they are looking for I will be glad to mail it to them. If address is supplied.

Hello Jean and all, I also found my grandmother, Annie Meighan, immediately on the Ellis Island site, and I have looked at many different rolls of NARA film trying to accomplish this over the years, but inevitably ALL the details never seemed to match. I typed in her name and POOF, there she was! and ALL the details matched this time. Anyway, I too found the site incredibly cumbersome, but my computer is not the fastest either:-) Sorry I don't have any answers for you, I just wanted to commiserate! susan

Hi, Has anyone found some tricks to get around the Ellis Island site rapidly - possibly using the page numbers, or the passenger names or the numbering system used in listing each passenger??? Leitrim, Please note -- I noticed many travellers that were said to be from "Leitrim," but were leaving from Liverpool. Anway, I got lucky at the Ellis Island website almost immediately, was thrilled to find members of dad's family travelling from England to NY using their nifty surname database. In one case, I found that dad's brother (Harold Denis Ford) was a member of the crew (which supported earlier information) and that he waited on passengers at meal times in third class. You can't believe how thrilled I was to find a snippet on "my" family. I also had no trouble matching up the text version of a manuscript page and the same original ship manifest page. I even eventually figured out how to use the magnifying feature after fooling around with it for awhile. Still I found the whole experience a little cumbersome. You can request pages printed and sent to you but it is expensive; you can also find many of these manifests on LDS FHC microfilms for only $3.75, once you have the port, date, ship's name. In another case, the text version of a manifest page and the original handwritten version did not match up. Per instructions, you are supposed to search backwards and/or forwards to "match them up." A person would want to see both the original manifest page and the text page, to get all the data. Anyway, I found original manifest pages that seemed to have the names of passengers in alphabetical; order, some pages in person by person order with each passenger assigned a number, some pages just had the members of the crew. There must be some way to be able to quickly find the original ship's manifest page you want without having to search for an hour! As far as I can tell, with ships carrying many, many passengers you have to search backwards and forwards from the text version page, waiting for each page to load to see if you have the "right" original manifest page. Has anyone figured out a quicker way? There are passenger numbers and page numbers, and I would think that there would be a way to get to the page you searching for quickly. Anyway, after searching for a a long, long time, I finally gave up looking for all the information on my family from that particular trip. Any comments? Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "tkmcfadden" <tkmcfadden@yahoo.com> To: <drumkeeranfolk@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: [drumkeeranfolk] (unknown) > --- In drumkeeranfolk@y..., "Bernie Cunningham" <bcunning@g...> wrote: > > I found my Mothers half sister on the Ellis Island site, I wanted > to copy off the > > ship mainfest that is typed out. I have done it before. The only > one I see is the > > "original ship manifest" which is in long hand and hard to read. > What happened > > to the other form.?? Bernie > > Bernie, > > They changed the way it works. It used to show the text version of > the manifest, from which you would go to the original. Now, > from "Passenger Record," click on "Original Ship Manifest." On the > next screen, right below the ship's name, there are two boxes, "Add > to your Ellis Island File," and "View Text Version Manifest," which > is what you want. You'll notice that the text version is not in > numerical order. I don't know why. > > -Tom McFadden >

Hi, I would appreciate some guidance on how I could trace my McNamaras. All I know of them is from the 1871 census in Stockport. BRIDGET POWER was born about 1843 in Ireland. No further details. Living nearby on 1861 census were JAMES POWER, b. about 1800, and his wife BRIDGET b. about 1801, both in Ireland. I do not know whether they were 'my' BRIDGET'S parents. Is there any way of finding BRIDGET'S birth certificate, and then the marriage cert of JAMES POWER, if this shows them to be her parents. I am aware that many records have been lost. Maybe there is someone interested in this family ? Any replies appreciated, June

Hi gang. Above is a name and email address from the past. Does anyone know if Sean O'Dowd is on this list? He used to host a county webpage.

FOLLOWER My father worked with a horse-plough, His shoulders globed like a full sail strung Between the shafts and the furrow. The horses strained at his clicking tongue. An expert. He would set the wing And fit the bright steel-pointed sock. The sod rolled over without breaking. At the headrig, with a single pluck Of reins, the sweating team turned round And back into the land. His eye Narrowed and angled at the ground, Mapping the furrow exactly. I stumbled in his hob-nailed wake, Fell sometimes on the polished sod; Sometimes he rode me on his back Dipping and rising to his plod. I wanted to grow up and plough, To close one eye, stiffen my arm. All I ever did was follow In his broad shadow round the farm. I was a nuisance, tripping, falling, Yapping always. But today It is my father who keeps stumbling Behind me, and will not go away. -- Seamus Heaney

I found some interesting snippets about Henry Ford, of Model-T fame, with roots in Madame, near Ballinascarty Town, Co. Cork. Some of the surnames associated with the Ford family are Jennings, Ahern, Nail, McGinn, Smith, Litogot, Bryant and Clay. Ford's father, William, left the tenanted farm at 21 with many family members, aged and young, during the dreadful famine year of 1847. The Ford family would have had loaded their belongings on to a handcart, along with the younger members of the family, while the older children and their parents walked alongside the rocky paths that passed for roads. It would have taken them two or three days before they traveled the 30 miles to Cork. In those days, some ships loaded and sailed from Cork rather than the harbour at Cobh. The old city of Cork was built on an island created by the River Lee as it divides then joins again to flow into the Atlantic. It was from one of the 20 different quays, each with its own name, that lay around the island, that the Ford's ship sailed. They spent their last night in Ireland in a cottage in Fair Lane, off Fair Hill, possibly with relatives -- John, Daniel and Denis Smith households were found there at Fair Lane. The street has since b! een renamed Wolfe Tone Street, after the Irish leader who tired to overthrow the English in the 1790s. William's mother, Thomasina failed to survive the journey, but we do not know whether she died at sea or soon after arrival. She was almost certainly a victim of ship's fever. For some years, the Fords had ignored the entreaties to leave Ireland from other family members who had gone to America in 1832, built homes and begun farming in Dearborn, near Detroit. Now, having lost his wife on the voyage, John Ford took his children, William, Rebecca, Jane, Henry, Mary, Nancy and Samuel to Michigan and to Dearborn for a reunion with brothers he had not seen for 15 years. William Ford moved around the country and spent some time working on the Michigan Central Railway, extending the line to Lake Michigan, but he eventually returned and found employment on a farm owned by Patrick Ahern Although they had been in America for many years, the Aherns were originally from Cork and they may have well been close neighbors of William's late mother, as a Terence Ahern was listed as owning a house, office and yard at No. 73 Fair Lane. The youngest child in the Ahern family had been adopted and retained the name of Mary Litogot, and some after they met William Ford and Mary were married and moved on to a farm of their own, again at Dearborn. The first of their six children, Henry Ford, was born on July 20, 1863, and he would have three brothers and two sisters all born and raised on the farm. Henry did not take easily to farming, and after falling from a horse at 12, Henry began tinkering with engines, became a machinist's apprentice and an amateur watch repairer. He maintained and repaired steam engines, went to work as an engineer for the Edison Co., supplying electric light for Detroit, and had reached the age of 30 before he became involved with the internal combustion engine. He built his first car, the Quadricycle, in 1896. Although his first involvement with a car company led to bankruptcy, Henry Ford, son of a Famine emigrant, went on to revolutionize American industry and double the wages of ! manual workers. Henry at age 49, returned to Cork in 1912, already a famous inventor and industrialists, to see his homeland. The hearthstone from the fireplace in the old cottage at Madame was installed in the wall of a mansion he was building in Dearborn which was subsequently named Fair Lane. He used the name again for one of the most successful models his company ever produced, the Ford Fairlane. Henry Ford died at age 83 in 1947. -- "The Famine Ships, " Edward Laxton Kingsford Charcoal Briquets go their start in 1921 when Henry Ford wanted to find a use for the growing piles of wood scraps from the production of his Model Ts. A relative, E. G. Kingsford, showed Ford the process of turning wood scraps into charcoal briquettes. Kingsford helped Henry select a site for the charcoal plant, and Henry was so grateful that he caned the name from Ford's Charcoal to Kingsford. The company town, which spran up around the site, was named in Kingsford's honor. -- "Tidbits" Paper, Div. of Steele Media, Billings, MT Henry Ford (1863-1947) developed the mass-produced "Motel T" automobile and sold it at a price the average person could afford. He pioneered in the use of assembly-line methods. Because of the savings in time and money made by mass production, Ford could offer more cars to the American public at a lower price than anyone before him. He sold more than 15 million "Model T's" over the 19-year period from 1908 to 1927. Ford was born on a farm which has since become part of the city of Dearborn, MI. He attended grammar school near his home. Later, he became a machinist in Detroit. His first automobile, completed in 1896, is on exhibition at Dearborn. It is not at all like any present-day automobile. The body looks like a small, crude wooden box. It has a single seat, a steering tiller, bicycle wheels, and an electric bell on the front. Ford made the cylinder of the engine from the exhaust pipe of a steam engine, and made the flywheel out of wood. -- World Book Encyclopedia

I am interested because my roots (Ferriter from Co. kerry) are from the Norman invasion.

Anyone interested or know much about The Viking & Norman invasions into Ireland especially Limerick ? Colleen Dunk cdunk@ozemail.com.au

Looking for information/connections Randal MC DONALD and his wife both of Scotland immigrated to Ireland in the late 1770s. Their children Randal Jr., Penelope CAVENEY/KAVENEY and his sister Catherine (Kitty) MC DONALD married Thomas CAVENEY (Penelope's brother). Randal and his wife both died and their children were adopted by Catherine and Patrick CAVENEY. The children of MC DONALD CAVENEY were Martin, Mary, Patrick, Thomas, Catherine, Michael, John, James. Associated families include (mentioning only to the 4th generation, have 8 generations), but not limited to, MC LOUGHLIN/MC LAUGHLIN, BREE, CUSSIN, FINNERTY, WALTON, LAHEY, PHILBIN, ROLAND, MC ALOON, GALLAGHER, NALLIN, LAVELLE, FEATHERSTONE, O'BOYLE, BUCKLEY, HOGAN, MC CARTHY. It appears we have Scotland, Co Mayo, Co Sligo and Co Liimerick. Pennsylvania-Hawley, Dunmore, Scranton; New York -Armsterdam, Kingston; Chicago, IL, California, New Jersey etc, Please contact Walton J. Sullivan at wsullivw@aol.com

Looking for information/connections Thomas CAVENEY b c 1825 Co Mayo, Ireland married Mary BREE b c 1825 Co Mayo, Ireland. Thomas and Mary BREE KAVENEY were married 1853 St. Philomenia RC Church Hawley, Palmyra Twp Wayne Co, PA. Their family Patrick 1854, Catherine 1856, Thomas 1858, John 1861, Mary 1865. John CAVENEY b 1861 in Scranton, PA moved to Chicago, IL were he married Ellen CUSSIN from Limerick, Ire. Their family includes DRURY and GAGNON. Mary CAVENEY 1865 married James F. FINNERTY 1906 in Scranton, PA. Associated families include GARLAND in Chicago, IL. Please contact Walton J. SULLIVAN at wsullivw@aol.com

Hi everyone, This is my first posting to this list and I was wondering whether anyone out there would be able to help. I am at a total dead end at the moment. I am looking for my father in laws father OWEN MANNIX. He is named on my fil's birth certificate which also states that he was married to his mother (I know that they weren't). I have been to FRC and can find no trace of Owen at all. No births after 1900 and no marriages to anyone, in fact no OWEN Mannix's anywhere! Would SKS be able to look at some Irish records for me to establish whether an Owen Mannix existed at all as I am starting to wonder whether it was a false name. I have been told that he was already married when he became involved with my fil's mother (London 1926) and an email I read yesterday was talking about some men that moved away from their families, changed their names and started afresh in another town. I wonder if this could be the case. I hope that this all makes sense. If anyone can find Owen that would be marvellous, if not if anyone knows of someone that just upped and disappeared in the 1920's then you never know! TIA Regards Caroline Researching: ALDRIDGE, ROSE, JEWSON, WATERS, WORSFOLD, BOXALL, CHEESEMAN, UZZELL - Surrey MANNIX - London/Ireland? FIELD - Herts/London? RANDALL - London/Wiltshire? LAST - Essex/London ALLAM - Herts/Surrey WILLDER - Kent

Hi, Caroline -- The trick to genealogy is to try and collect all the documents and information you can on your people in the KNOWN places they lived. Each item you find will supply a missing clue. Occasionally you need to ask the help of a historical society in the area in question in return for a donation to their society to get a "jump start." I have done this with amazing results. One of the best resources can be living members of your families - oral histories, notations on backs of snapshots in albums, old letters, newspaper clippings. Contact some of those relatives you haven't been in touch with for years for their input. Surname books (Irish and otherwise) in your local genealogy library will provide history behind a name, variations, and distribution in a country. Some surnames are particular to one or two areas. Some surnames found in Ireland can be traced back to a particular area or town in England, Scotland etc., in the case of families "planted" in Ireland. ****May not apply to your case, but in Ireland the given name Owen and Eugene are often interchangeable. Some given names in Ireland are found in particular counties or provinces. Some common given names even have slight spelling differences that place then in particular counties or provinces. Given names tended to be repeated generation after generation. Often the first son and daughter carried the given names of paternal grandparents, the second son and daughter the maternal grandparents. An unusual first or middle name in a family may be an important surname in a family - i.e. mother's maiden name, etc. I have also read that the given name William was so popular that it may not have been one carried from an earlier generation. While the title and author escapes me, I am aware of a genealogical library surname book that lists Gaelic surnames and the "anglicized" versions many were forced to adopt in Ireland. While most families complied, others did not. The book I am thinking about lists Gaelic surnames and their anglicized form/s and how they most commonly appeared both in Ireland, but also in England. Anglicized surnames may have been so radically changed that you would not recognize the two as having a common history. (The book may have been by author McLysaght, an Irish surname expert). Finally, even surname experts occasionally disagree on origins of surnames. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Mannix" <caroline.mannix@ntlworld.com> To: <IrelandGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:52 AM Subject: [IGW] Missing MANNIX! You wrote: I am at a total dead end at the moment. I am looking for my father in laws father OWEN MANNIX. He is named on my fil's birth certificate which also states that he was married to his mother (I know that they weren't). I have been to FRC and can find no trace of Owen at all. No births after 1900 and no marriages to anyone, in fact no OWEN Mannix's anywhere! > Would SKS be able to look at some Irish records for me to establish whether an Owen Mannix existed at all as I am starting to wonder whether it was a false name. > I have been told that he was already married when he became involved with my fil's mother (London 1926) and an email I read yesterday was talking about some men that moved away from their families, changed their names and started afresh in another town. I wonder if this could be the case. > I hope that this all makes sense. If anyone can find Owen that would be marvellous, if not if anyone knows of someone that just upped and disappeared in the 1920's then you never know! > TIA > Regards > Caroline > Researching: > ALDRIDGE, ROSE, JEWSON, WATERS, WORSFOLD, BOXALL, CHEESEMAN, UZZELL - Surrey > MANNIX - London/Ireland? > FIELD - Herts/London? > RANDALL - London/Wiltshire? > LAST - Essex/London > ALLAM - Herts/Surrey > WILLDER - Kent

JOHN-JOHN I dreamt last night of you, John-John, And thought you called to me; And when I woke this morning, John, Yourself I hoped to see; But I was all alone, John-John, Though still I heard your call: I put my boots and bonnet on, And took my Sunday shawl, And went, full sure to find you, John To Nenagh fair. The fair was just the same as then, Five years ago to-day, When first you left the thimble men And came with me away; For there again were thimble men And shooting galleries, And card-trick men and Maggie men Of all sorts and degrees -- But not a sign of you, John-John, Was anywhere. I turned my face to home again, And called myself a fool To think you'd leave the thimble men And live again by rule, And go to mass and keep the fast And till the little patch: My wish to have you home was past Before I raised the latch And pushed the door and saw you, John Sitting down there. How cool you came in here, begad, As if you owned the place! But rest yourself there now, my lad, 'Tis good to see your face; My dream is out, and now by it I think I know my mind: At six o'clock this house you'll quit, And leave no grief behind; But until six o'clock, John-John My bit you'll share. My neighbours' shame of me began When first I brought you in; To wed and keep a tinker man They thought a kind of sin; But now this three year since you're gone 'Tis pity me they do, And that I'd rather have John-John, Than that they'd pity you. Pity for me and you, John-John, I could not bear. Oh, you're my husband right enough, But what's the good of that? You know you never were the stuff To be a cottage cat, To watch the fire and hear me lock The door and put out Shep -- But there now, it is six o'clock And time for you to step. God bless and keep you far, John-John! And that's my prayer. -- Thomas MacDonagh (1878-1916)

PEACE TO THE SLUMBERERS! Peace to the slumberers! They lie on the battle plain With no shroud to cover them The dew and the summer rain Are all that weep over them, Peace to the slumberers! Vain was their bravery! The fallen oak lies where it lay Across the wintry river; But brave hearts, once swept away Are gone, alas! forever. Vain was their bravery! Woe to the conqueror! Our limbs shall lie as cold as theirs Of whom his sword bereft us, Ere we forget the deep arrears Of vengeance they have left us! Woe to the conqueror! -- Thomas Moore (1779-1852)

WOMAN Not she with traitorous kiss her Saviour stung, Not she denied Him with unholy tongue; She, while apostles shrank, could dangers brave, Last at the cross and earliest at the grave. -- Eaton Stannard Barrett (1786-1820)

Hi List, Just arrived on the list. My research interest is James MCKAY born 1818, in Ireland, possibly Co. Down. His parents were said to be John Neil MCKAY and Catherine MCCUSKER. He had a brother named John and sister named Elizabeth. The family moved to Glasgow area about 1820. James MCKAY married Cecilia LAWSON 1841, in Dundee.James and Cecilia emigrated to USA in 1840's. They went to Albany, NY. Then headed west. They traveled The Oregon Trail in 1847. I would like to locate information about where in Ireland they actually came from. They were Catholics. Thank You, Catherine McKay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com

RESOURCE: "Pushing Up Shamrocks" is a reference book on this subject (Irish in Queensland) that was published in 1998 by David O'Lorcain of Burpengary, Queensland. It contains some background history, but best of all it contains an alphabetical index to 6,000 Irish buried in Queensland. Information was taken from contributions by Queensland family members (with their names and addresses provided!), Pioneer Registers, burial registers and cemetery inscriptions. I personally know of one person who was able to immediately identify three of his ancestors from gravestone inscriptions and a family sheet detailed in this book and subsequently contacted the submitter. He even found out some interesting information about the deceased's occupations! Good resource for researchers who know that their Irish lived and died in Queensland. This is a very popular book, perhaps you can find a genealogy library copy. Jean

Looking for information/connections Michael WALTON b 1825 Ireland married Catherine CAVENEY/KAVENEY b c 1830. They were married c 1850 probably in St. Philomenia RC Church Hawley, PA. Catherine parents were Thomas CAVNEY b c 1791 Parish Kilmore Co Mayo Ire and Catherine MC DONALD. Thomas CAVENEY died 1856 and is buried in Queen of Peace Catholic cemetery in Hawley. Michael WALTON parents were Thomas WALTON and Bridget GIBLIN. Michael WALTON and Catherine CAVENEY had the following children; Thomas WALTON 1854 m Mary PHILBIN b Susquehanna Co, PA; Michael WALTON 1853 m Mary LAHEY/LEAHY b 1856 in Scranton, PA; Jane WALTON 1855 became a nun Sister Mary Jerome WALTON, IHM; Catherine 1857 became a nun Sister Mary Gonzaga WALTON, IHM; Elizabeth 1861 became a nun Sister Mary Gonzaga WALTON, IHM; John WALTON 1865 m Ann ROLAND ; Alice WALTON 1865 became a nun Sister Mary Betrand WALTON, IHM: Agnes WALTON 1866 m Francis MC ALOON; James WALTON 1869 married Mary GALLAGHER 1872 Marathon, NY. Associated families KELLEY, HAYES, SMILEY, COYNE, CORCORAN, MAHON, WHITTEN, SOUTHARD, FOY, COSTELLO, MC DONOUGH, BARRY, MULLEN. Please contact Walton J. Sullivan at wsullivw@aol.com Walton J. Sullivan at wsullivw@aol.com Paternal - SULLIVAN, COLEMAN, CUMMINGS, O'BRIEN, BOLD, BLACK, CAFFREY, CAVENEY, CORBETT, CROWE, DISKIN, DONEGAN, FEE, FLAHERTY, GABRIEL, GORMAN, GERRITY, JENKINS, JENNINGS, LYNCH, MC GREEVEY, O'CONNOR, PHILBIN, ROLAND, SHEA, SHIELDS, STAFFORD, STANTON, STEINHAUSER, WALTON, WEISS, PA- Dunmore, Old Forge, Minooka, Taylor, Scranton, Hawley, Mt. Pleasant, Pittsburgh; NY-Kingston, Amsterdam: NJ-Union City, Jersey City, North Bergen http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/u/l/Walton--J-Sullivan/index.html http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wsullivw http://www.gencircles.com/users/wsullivw/1