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Very nice information! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: [IGW] Ethnic Groups in Ireland > SNIPPET: Many ethnic groups found their way into Ireland, some eventually > became know as "more Irish than the Irish themselves." Some of these > include: > Lefroy, Lefanu, Maturin, Perrin. >

Please tell more re: IGW with regard to help via internet to U.S. I am especially interested in my grandparents' surnames: McKee, Lee, Ferrill {all of which I believe are Irish in origin} and Kirkwood {which I believe is Scot in origin, but I think may have spread into Ireland}. Thanks, Ed McKee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckstrom, Barbara A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [IGW] Ulster Resource/AncestryIreland.com - Provinces-DORAN/SCULLION > Good Morning Jean, > > On James' Intent papers it says he was born in Ireland in..........left > blank with a line drawn. I have his original naturalization paper with > the gold seal which is dated March 8, 1894. It says he was a native of > Ireland. > > His Intent paper was filed in Delaware County, PA on the 24th of > September, 1890. It says he was born on March 15, 1852 and is presently > about 38 years old. It says he was born a member of the United Kingdom of > Great Britain and Ireland and owed allegiance to the Queen. He migrated > from Liverpool, England to the US and arrived at the port of Philadelphia, > on the 26th of July, 1875 and settled in Delaware County, PA. > Everything is just the standard form. I doubt I could find anything else > regarding this on Google. > > His newspaper death notice.......just said Ireland. > > On his death certificate: Born in Ireland, Father John Doran....born in > Ireland, mother Mary Scullan (spelling...a little off) born in Ireland. > > Once again, thanks for your interest and help. > > Barbara > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Jean R. > Sent: Wed 10/25/2006 1:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IGW] Ulster Resource/AncestryIreland.com - > Provinces -DORAN/SCULLION > > > > Barbara, Another good website for you would be AncestryIreland.com, > specializing in early Ulster records, some accessed by membership, some > free > such as the all-Ireland Matheson Survey of Surnames (1890) > > Scullion Total births:17 > Principally located in counties:10 in Antrim and 5 in Londonderry. > Spelling variations Scullion(0) > Total Ulster = 17 > Total Leinster = 0 > Total Connaught = 0 > Total Munster = 0 > > Doran Total births:97 > Principally located in counties:Dublin, Wexford, Down and Armagh. > Spelling variations Doran(0) > Total Ulster = 20 > Total Leinster = 60 > Total Connaught = 4 > Total Munster = 13 > > I realize your FH is for an earlier time period, but thought you would > like > to take a look at these. > > IRISH PROVINCES > > LEINSTER: Cos. Carlow, Dublin, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois (Leix/Queen's), > Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly (King's), Westmeath, Wexford and > Wicklow. > > MUNSTER: Cos. Clare, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford. > > ULSTER: Divided in two sections -- > (1) Northern Ireland with Cos. Antrim, Armagh, Derry/Londonderry, Down, > Fermanagh and Tyrone. > (2) Republic of Ireland with Cos. Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan. . > > CONNAUGHT: Cos. Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo. > > I agree, best to start with Belfast-related records. I'll bet your DORAN > and SCULLION met and/or married in the north of Ireland. (I've heard that > Irish marriages often took place in the bride's parents' locale, which may > be the case here.) I am assuming that the reference to Shankill Parish > definitely regarding Belfast city? > > I'm surprised that your James DORAN's USA naturalization papers didn't > state > a place of birth. Makes me wonder if there might have been another paper > involved in the process. (?) If you have it handy, tell us what they > say - > i.e., place, date. Be sure and google information about naturalizations > that took place in that time period, what they entailed as far as > paperwork, > etc. > > Did you say you also had his death certificate? Doesn't give place of > birth > other than Ireland? > > Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "conaught2" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down - Ideas for USA Research > > > Hi Barbara, > > Belfast is mostly in County Antrim, just a very small section is in County > Down. <snip> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

SNIPPET: Patrick GALVIN was born in Cork in 1927. He has published two separate volumes of autobiography: Song for a Poor Boy (Dublin, Raven Arts Press, 1991); and Song for a Raggy Boy (Raven Arts Press, 1992). The third part, Song for a Fly Boy, is published with the first two as The Raggy Boy Trilogy (Dublin, New Island Books, 2002). Song for a Raggy Boy has been filmed, starring Aidan QUINN. GALVIN's poetry collections include Heart of Grace; Christ in London; The Wood-burners; Man on the Porch (1980); Madwoman of Cork (cassette recording); Folktales for the General (1990). His plays include And Him Stretched; Cry the Believers; Nightfall to Belfast; The Last Burning; We Do It for Love; The Devil's Own People; My Silver Bird. His radio plays include City Child Come Tailing Home; Wolfe; Class of '39; Quartet for Nightown. He is a member of Aosdána.

Dear List Readers, I was so sure that Charles F. MacCarthy, a Clergyman, and the father of Charles Edward DeLacey MacCarthy would be residing in County Kerry and that I would find him easily on the Griffiths Evaluation. Well - you all know nothing is simple in Irish research - and I did not find him! Now I am forced to doing a bit of rethinking on his whereabouts. Below is the information I got from the Librarian of the Manuscripts Department: "I have consulted the admissions registers for Trinity College Dublin. Charles Edward De Lacey MacCarthy entered this University in July 1865, aged 18 years, as a pensioner, i.e. he paid a fixed annual fee for his education. He was born in County Kerry, the son of Charles F (?DeLacey) MacCarthy, a Clergyman, and his religion was Church of England. This student was previously educated at ?Kingston/Kingstown School before being admitted as a student to Trinity College. I have had some difficluty in reading the hand in the registers so am unsure of the exact name of the school that Charles Edward De Lacey MacCarthy attended. The catalogue of graduates states that Charles Edward De Lacey MacCarthy obtained a BA in Spring of 1870 and MA in Winter 1873." Even if CED was born in Co. Kerry, perhaps his father, the clergyman, had a position at a church in Dublin or some other part of Ireland, meaning that he wouldn't necessarily be on the Griffiths for Kerry at the time they were enumerated. Does any of this thinking make any sense? Does anyone know if there is a repository for Church of England or Church of Ireland information where I might learn of the postings of clergy in this 1800 - 1865 time period? Does anyone know about the location of the Kinston/Kingstown school? Could it be in Dublin? Hoping someone might know the answers, I am typing with my fingers crossed! Judy Martin, Santa Maria, CA <[email protected]>

SNIPPET: Many ethnic groups found their way into Ireland, some eventually became know as "more Irish than the Irish themselves." Some of these include: WELSH - The name "Walsh," (in Irish, Brannagh or Breathnach), meaning a Briton or Welshman, is found early in Cork, Dublin, Kerry, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Wexford, Waterford and Galway. The name remained numerous in Cork, Mayo, Waterford, Galway, Dublin and Wexford in 1890. Some Welsh families in Ireland: Howell, Lawless, Lillis, Lynagh, Lynott, Merrick, Hore, Cod, Stafford, Whitty, Rossiter, Sinnott, Stephen, Quiney, Walsh. GERMAN PALATINATE - Families came to Ireland in the 18th century from the Palatinate of the Rhine in Germany. In 1709 some 7,000 of these refugees arrived in England. Thousands were sent to North America, settling in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. In Ireland, they are found centered in Co. Limerick, but many moved on to America after settling in Ireland. Names include Baker, Bovanizer, Bowen, Doube, Delmege, Gilliard, Smyth, Latchford, Ligier, Millar, Lodwig, Modlar, Pyper, Heavenor, Reynard, Ruttle, Shire, Stark, Switzer, Teskey, Neazor. CORNISH - Cornish, or Briton families are found in Ireland under names like Jagoe, Lanyon, Pascoe, Pender, Pendred, Penrose, Vivian, Tredennick, Tresilian and Trevelyan. HUGUENOT - French and Fleming Huguenot families settled in the latter 17th centry at Dublin, Kilkenny, Waterford, Cork, Portarlington and Lisburn. Noted for making linen, cloth and lace, etc. Some families included Barre, Blacquiere, Boileau, Chaigneau, Du Bedat, Champion, Chenevix, Corcellis, Trench, Crommelin, Delacherois, Drelincourt, Dubourdieu, Du Cros, Fleury, Gaussen, Logier, Saurin, Guerin, Hazard, Hassard, La Touch, Le Fevre, Lefroy, Lefanu, Maturin, Perrin. DANISH (Viking) - The Danes (Lochlainders, Ostmen, Vikings) had colonies in Ireland for over centuries. Centered in Dublin and Meath ( in Fingall) and in Wexford, Waterford, Cork and Limerick, they settled on the coasts of Ireland from the 8th century. Some old settler names include Betagh, Coppinger, Dowdal, Drumgoole, Gould, Harold, Palmer, Plunket, Skiddy, Sweetman, Trant, Ost. JEWISH - Found resident in Dublin and other larger cities earlier, many Russian and Polish Jews settled on the south side of Dublin city from 1881-1890. Family names included Coplan, Fridberg, Greenberg, Hesselberg, Maisell, Matufsky, Rabinovitch, Rossin, Statzumsky, Stuppel, Wachman, Wedeclefsk, Weiner, Winstock. More information on ethnic surnames can be found in "The Book of Irish Families, Great & Small," IGF.

Good Morning Jean, On James' Intent papers it says he was born in Ireland in..........left blank with a line drawn. I have his original naturalization paper with the gold seal which is dated March 8, 1894. It says he was a native of Ireland. His Intent paper was filed in Delaware County, PA on the 24th of September, 1890. It says he was born on March 15, 1852 and is presently about 38 years old. It says he was born a member of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and owed allegiance to the Queen. He migrated from Liverpool, England to the US and arrived at the port of Philadelphia, on the 26th of July, 1875 and settled in Delaware County, PA. Everything is just the standard form. I doubt I could find anything else regarding this on Google. His newspaper death notice.......just said Ireland. On his death certificate: Born in Ireland, Father John Doran....born in Ireland, mother Mary Scullan (spelling...a little off) born in Ireland. Once again, thanks for your interest and help. Barbara ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of Jean R. Sent: Wed 10/25/2006 1:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IGW] Ulster Resource/AncestryIreland.com - Provinces -DORAN/SCULLION Barbara, Another good website for you would be AncestryIreland.com, specializing in early Ulster records, some accessed by membership, some free such as the all-Ireland Matheson Survey of Surnames (1890) Scullion Total births:17 Principally located in counties:10 in Antrim and 5 in Londonderry. Spelling variations Scullion(0) Total Ulster = 17 Total Leinster = 0 Total Connaught = 0 Total Munster = 0 Doran Total births:97 Principally located in counties:Dublin, Wexford, Down and Armagh. Spelling variations Doran(0) Total Ulster = 20 Total Leinster = 60 Total Connaught = 4 Total Munster = 13 I realize your FH is for an earlier time period, but thought you would like to take a look at these. IRISH PROVINCES LEINSTER: Cos. Carlow, Dublin, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois (Leix/Queen's), Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly (King's), Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. MUNSTER: Cos. Clare, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford. ULSTER: Divided in two sections -- (1) Northern Ireland with Cos. Antrim, Armagh, Derry/Londonderry, Down, Fermanagh and Tyrone. (2) Republic of Ireland with Cos. Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan. . CONNAUGHT: Cos. Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo. I agree, best to start with Belfast-related records. I'll bet your DORAN and SCULLION met and/or married in the north of Ireland. (I've heard that Irish marriages often took place in the bride's parents' locale, which may be the case here.) I am assuming that the reference to Shankill Parish definitely regarding Belfast city? I'm surprised that your James DORAN's USA naturalization papers didn't state a place of birth. Makes me wonder if there might have been another paper involved in the process. (?) If you have it handy, tell us what they say - i.e., place, date. Be sure and google information about naturalizations that took place in that time period, what they entailed as far as paperwork, etc. Did you say you also had his death certificate? Doesn't give place of birth other than Ireland? Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down - Ideas for USA Research Hi Barbara, Belfast is mostly in County Antrim, just a very small section is in County Down. <snip> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Again, I believe I have done everything you have suggested. I have a newspaper clipping for James Doran who died in 1914........nothing. I've been to the cemetery and they aren't even sure where he is buried. I have the marriage license, children's birth records, death records, census records including church and county. I got James' naturalization papers........nothing. I've paid someone in the county's historical society a lot of money.....and nothing has turned up for place of birth. The church where they were married in 1880 held no information. The only lead I got was on a census for their only living daughter (my grandmother) who died in 1936. She said on an earlier census her father was from north Ireland and mother from South Ireland. Her mother left Ireland in 1870 and father 1875, so I wasn't even sure if the north and south were applicable. I was cross referencing the Griffiths Valuation and just decided to pay for the 2 surname parish findings. I do have a question: Why is Belfast City listed as a County? And what County is it actually in...is it Down? Shankill Parish holds the largest number of households being 10. Thank you for your help.......and being patient with me. Barb ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of Jean R. Sent: Tue 10/24/2006 3:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down - Ideas for USA Research Barb - Generally, the secret to research is to concentrate on research in the KNOWN places the individuals lived. If I were you, I would contact the county historical society in the USA county in which they resided, ask for their help in finding documents on your particular families such as wills, marriage applications (which often gave info. on the parents of the bride and groom), land records (which often gave last place lived), other court records, cemetery records, b/m/d abstracts, newspaper clippings, census extracts, etc. Almost every document they come up with will provide more clues. Most historical societies have ready access to old maps with settlers' names, books and publications of their own and others. Periodicals published by USA county historical societies have every-name indices in their winter issues which they can quickly refer to. Have you tried sending away for microfilmed USA newspapers to look for death notices? If a definite date is known, request the newspapers for the two days following the death via your reference librarian and the free interlibrary loan program. The librarian has references to tell her which newspapers to request for a particular location and time period. Death notices may further provide details on a location in Ireland and give names of still-living relatives you may not be aware of. It is possible that a death notice appeared in a newspaper where they formerly lived, as well. The reference librarian can also help you obtain old USA county history books in addition to those found on the shelves. I found many of my relatives listed on genealogy library microfilmed death indices when I had only a general idea of when and where the deaths occurred. These films are organized by state and approximate 10-year increments, names are alphabetical and soundexed. Data given includes name of deceased, place of death (may have to rewind film to beginning for location code), age at death, name of spouse, and the number of the death certificate. If the death occurred many years ago, you may be able to locate the death certificate that state's archival library. Contact all known living relatives to find out what they know. Ask for their help and to look through their old albums for clues. Christmas is a perfect opportunity to do so. Leave a detailed query on a Rootsweb Message Boards, particularly, a surname board. Did you check the 1920 and 1930 USA Federal Censuses? Even if they were deceased by that time, their children may have given a particular county in Ireland when asked for place of birth for each parent. It does appear in some instances census enumerators recorded specifics such as a particular county and/or "No. Ireland" or "Free State" (Republic) for places of birth. Jean . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckstrom, Barbara A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Margaret, Thank you so much. I've been searching this family for years. Every record in the states I find......lists only Ireland as place of birth. I've hit a brick wall everywhere. Thank you again. Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara - Instances for SCULLION and DORAN surname together (not Dolan) during that Primary Valuation: Antrim Armagh Belfast city Derry http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm Pay small amount for specifics your surnames. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down - SCULLION/DORAN The table below shows the number of Scullion households in each county in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64. Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by parish (paying). Antrim 81 Armagh 8 Belfast city 1 Derry 93 Down 1 Tyrone 14 SURNAME DICTIONARY/ SLOINNTE NA h-EIREANN Ó Scolláin Scullion: líonmhar: Doire thoir-Antroim. Clann airchinneach ag Baile Uí Scolláin i nDoire. Brí: b'fhéidir go mbaineann le scalladh .i. maslú, cáineadh. Scullion numerous: E Derry-Antrim etc. Ir. Ó Scolláin, an erenagh family of Derry, seated at Ballyscullion. See also Scallan. MIF. a.. Barbara, Check out: a.. a.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckstrom, Barbara A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Margaret, Thank you so much. I've been searching this family for years. Every record in the states I find......lists only Ireland as place of birth. I've hit a brick wall everywhere. Thank you again. Barb ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of conaught2 Sent: Mon 10/23/2006 9:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Hi Barb, Send an email to: [email protected] and in the body of the email put subscribe. It is a coincidence that you asked about James Doran. I just returned from Ireland and today I was looking at my County Down records. People researching in County Down are fortunate to have two excellent websites with a lot of records an much much more: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm click on surnames and then you will find an index, there are several James Dorans listed. Ros Davies website http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com <http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/> Raymond's website I believe a Brannigan relative married into the Doran family in Clonduff parish. Good luck on your research. Beannachtai, (blessings in Gaeilge) Margaret (Máiread) > Could you tell me what list might include County Down. I believe my > great grandfather James DORAN was from there. > > Thank you. > Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The table below shows the number of Scullion households in each county in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64. Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by parish (paying). Antrim 81 Armagh 8 Belfast city 1 Derry 93 Down 1 Tyrone 14 SURNAME DICTIONARY/ SLOINNTE NA h-EIREANN Ó Scolláin Scullion: líonmhar: Doire thoir-Antroim. Clann airchinneach ag Baile Uí Scolláin i nDoire. Brí: b'fhéidir go mbaineann le scalladh .i. maslú, cáineadh. Scullion numerous: E Derry-Antrim etc. Ir. Ó Scolláin, an erenagh family of Derry, seated at Ballyscullion. See also Scallan. MIF. a.. Barbara, Check out: a.. a.. http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm Pay small amount for specifics your surnames. a.. a.. **** NOTE: Counties where BOTH SCULLION and DOLAN households are recorded in the same parish in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64 are Armagh and Belfast city. This may be a good clue as to where families resided. a.. The surname Scullion has its origins in Bellaghy Co. Londonderry, Northern Ireland a.. A scullion was a boy or man employed as a servant during the English renaissance period to do the washing and cleaning (etc) in the kitchen of a large house a.. Scullion were an Irish folk rock band. a.. Your Scullion surname (marriage in Ireland) should help you narrow down the more common Dolan data. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckstrom, Barbara A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Margaret, My James DORAN was born in March of 1852. He was the son of John and Mary (Scullion) Doran. James was Catholic and left Ireland in 1875. He first went to Liverpool and then to Philadelphia, PA. He arrived in July, 1875....later settling in Chester, PA. He married Mary McCauley in 1880. She also was from Ireland. Thanks so much for your response. I plan on going to Ireland next spring and would love to visit the townland of James. Thanks again, Barbara -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of conaught2 Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Dear Barbara, Ta failte romhat (your welcome). When you find more about your James Doran please let me know, your Dorans and mine must be related. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckstrom, Barbara A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Margaret, Thank you so much. I've been searching this family for years. Every record in the states I find......lists only Ireland as place of birth. I've hit a brick wall everywhere. Thank you again. Barb ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of conaught2 Sent: Mon 10/23/2006 9:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Hi Barb, Send an email to: [email protected] and in the body of the email put subscribe. It is a coincidence that you asked about James Doran. I just returned from Ireland and today I was looking at my County Down records. People researching in County Down are fortunate to have two excellent websites with a lot of records an much much more: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm click on surnames and then you will find an index, there are several James Dorans listed. Ros Davies website http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com <http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/> Raymond's website I believe a Brannigan relative married into the Doran family in Clonduff parish. Good luck on your research. Beannachtai, (blessings in Gaeilge) Margaret (Máiread) > Could you tell me what list might include County Down. I believe my > great grandfather James DORAN was from there. > > Thank you. > Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

DROMAHAIRE TURKEY MARKET OF YESTERYEAR Oh, Christmas must be drawing near, Narrow winding busy roads, Lead into Dromahaire. Distant rolling rattling wheels Of turkey carts. I hear, 'Tis the big turkey market, I declare. Strike a tough bargain folk, For our hard earned pay, Today our selling price shall be Two and sixpence a pound for hens, And two shillings for cocks, not a penny less, Cash tightly grasped in our fists, Can buy our chosen Christmas gifts. Sure its time to join in celebration, Enter Tom O'Brien's friendly old pub, Strong unshaven menfolk Leisurely sit on polished high stools, Drink black porter by the pint, Comely womenfolk tiptoe into darkened snug, Fresh turf fire kindles slowly, A glimmer of heat not so cosy, Sip glasses of port wine, their own little treat. Its getting late now, I see the falling dusk Descend on grey castle walls, Patient donkeys tied on 'back-line' Now are restless and cold. Soon they will remind us As their rebellious roars unfold. Hastily I enter gaily lit Gillmor's shop, To buy some currants and raisins For my Christmas cake to bake, Bulls-eye sweets for the children at home, I take. Homeward I stroll now, Behind my ass-cart weary and cold, Grey winters frost stiffens canvas Draped over my empty cart. Dim street light on 'castle hill,' Guides me slowly out of town, Happy I am, as I reach my little home, My once noisy turkey shed, Now stands vacant and still. -- Michael Hamilton, 2005 issue "Leitrim Guardian" yearly magazine.

Margaret, My James DORAN was born in March of 1852. He was the son of John and Mary (Scullion) Doran. James was Catholic and left Ireland in 1875. He first went to Liverpool and then to Philadelphia, PA. He arrived in July, 1875....later settling in Chester, PA. He married Mary McCauley in 1880. She also was from Ireland. Thanks so much for your response. I plan on going to Ireland next spring and would love to visit the townland of James. Thanks again, Barbara -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of conaught2 Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Dear Barbara, Ta failte romhat (your welcome). When you find more about your James Doran please let me know, your Dorans and mine must be related. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckstrom, Barbara A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Margaret, Thank you so much. I've been searching this family for years. Every record in the states I find......lists only Ireland as place of birth. I've hit a brick wall everywhere. Thank you again. Barb ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of conaught2 Sent: Mon 10/23/2006 9:10 PM To: irel[email protected] Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Hi Barb, Send an email to: [email protected] and in the body of the email put subscribe. It is a coincidence that you asked about James Doran. I just returned from Ireland and today I was looking at my County Down records. People researching in County Down are fortunate to have two excellent websites with a lot of records an much much more: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm click on surnames and then you will find an index, there are several James Dorans listed. Ros Davies website http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com <http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/> Raymond's website I believe a Brannigan relative married into the Doran family in Clonduff parish. Good luck on your research. Beannachtai, (blessings in Gaeilge) Margaret (Máiread) > Could you tell me what list might include County Down. I believe my > great grandfather James DORAN was from there. > > Thank you. > Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Why Census Records are Important: Few, if any, records reveal as many details about individuals and families as do the U.S. federal censuses. The population schedules are successive "snapshots" of Americans that depict where and how they were living at particular periods in the past. Because of this, the census is often the best starting point for genealogical research after home sources have been exhausted. Some Enumerator Instructions: The 1920 Census was begun on 1 January 1920. The actual date of the enumeration appears on the heading of each page of the census schedule, but all responses were to reflect the individual's status as of 1 January, even if the status had changed between 1 January and the day of enumeration. For example, children born between 1 January and the day of enumeration were not to be listed, while individuals alive on 1 January but deceased when the enumerator arrived were to be counted. The following questions were asked by enumerators: a.. Name of street, avenue road, etc. b.. House number or farm c.. Number of dwelling in order of visitation d.. Number of family in order of visitation e.. Name of each person whose place of abode was with the family f.. Relationship of person enumerated to the head of the family g.. Whether home owned or rented; if owned, whether free or mortgaged h.. Sex i.. Color or race j.. Age at last birthday k.. Whether single, married, widowed, or divorced l.. Year of immigration to United States m.. Whether naturalized or alien n.. If naturalized, year of naturalization o.. Whether attended school any time since 1 September 1919 p.. Whether able to read q.. Whether able to write r.. Person's place of birth s.. Mother tongue t.. Father's place of birth u.. Father's mother tongue v.. Mother's place of birth w.. Mother's mother tongue x.. Whether able to speak English y.. Trade, profession, or particular kind of work done z.. Industry, business, or establishment in which at work aa.. Whether employer, salary or wage worker, or working on own account ab.. Number of farm schedule Due to boundary modifications in Europe resulting from World War I, some individuals were uncertain about how to identify their national origin. Enumerators were instructed to spell out the name of the city, state, province, or region of respondents who declared that they or their parents had been born in Germany, Austria-Hungary, Russia, or Turkey. Interpretation of the birthplace varied from one enumerator to another. Some failed to identify specific birthplaces within those named countries, and others provided an exact birthplace in countries not designated in the instructions. There are no separate Indian population schedules in the 1920 census. Inhabitants of reservations were enumerated in the general population schedules. Enumerators were instructed not to report servicemen in the family enumerations but to treat them as residents of their duty posts. The 1920 census includes schedules for overseas military and naval forces. Taken from Chapter 5: Research in Census Records, The Source: A Guidebook of American Genealogy by Loretto Dennis Szucs; edited by Loretto Dennis Szucs and Sandra Hargreaves Luebking (Salt Lake City, UT: Ancestry Incorporated, 1997).

Barb - Generally, the secret to research is to concentrate on research in the KNOWN places the individuals lived. If I were you, I would contact the county historical society in the USA county in which they resided, ask for their help in finding documents on your particular families such as wills, marriage applications (which often gave info. on the parents of the bride and groom), land records (which often gave last place lived), other court records, cemetery records, b/m/d abstracts, newspaper clippings, census extracts, etc. Almost every document they come up with will provide more clues. Most historical societies have ready access to old maps with settlers' names, books and publications of their own and others. Periodicals published by USA county historical societies have every-name indices in their winter issues which they can quickly refer to. Have you tried sending away for microfilmed USA newspapers to look for death notices? If a definite date is known, request the newspapers for the two days following the death via your reference librarian and the free interlibrary loan program. The librarian has references to tell her which newspapers to request for a particular location and time period. Death notices may further provide details on a location in Ireland and give names of still-living relatives you may not be aware of. It is possible that a death notice appeared in a newspaper where they formerly lived, as well. The reference librarian can also help you obtain old USA county history books in addition to those found on the shelves. I found many of my relatives listed on genealogy library microfilmed death indices when I had only a general idea of when and where the deaths occurred. These films are organized by state and approximate 10-year increments, names are alphabetical and soundexed. Data given includes name of deceased, place of death (may have to rewind film to beginning for location code), age at death, name of spouse, and the number of the death certificate. If the death occurred many years ago, you may be able to locate the death certificate that state's archival library. Contact all known living relatives to find out what they know. Ask for their help and to look through their old albums for clues. Christmas is a perfect opportunity to do so. Leave a detailed query on a Rootsweb Message Boards, particularly, a surname board. Did you check the 1920 and 1930 USA Federal Censuses? Even if they were deceased by that time, their children may have given a particular county in Ireland when asked for place of birth for each parent. It does appear in some instances census enumerators recorded specifics such as a particular county and/or "No. Ireland" or "Free State" (Republic) for places of birth. Jean . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckstrom, Barbara A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Margaret, Thank you so much. I've been searching this family for years. Every record in the states I find......lists only Ireland as place of birth. I've hit a brick wall everywhere. Thank you again. Barb

Dear Barbara, Ta failte romhat (your welcome). When you find more about your James Doran please let me know, your Dorans and mine must be related. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckstrom, Barbara A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Margaret, Thank you so much. I've been searching this family for years. Every record in the states I find......lists only Ireland as place of birth. I've hit a brick wall everywhere. Thank you again. Barb ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of conaught2 Sent: Mon 10/23/2006 9:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Hi Barb, Send an email to: [email protected] and in the body of the email put subscribe. It is a coincidence that you asked about James Doran. I just returned from Ireland and today I was looking at my County Down records. People researching in County Down are fortunate to have two excellent websites with a lot of records an much much more: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm click on surnames and then you will find an index, there are several James Dorans listed. Ros Davies website http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com <http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/> Raymond's website I believe a Brannigan relative married into the Doran family in Clonduff parish. Good luck on your research. Beannachtai, (blessings in Gaeilge) Margaret (Máiread) > Could you tell me what list might include County Down. I believe my > great grandfather James DORAN was from there. > > Thank you. > Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret, Thank you so much. I've been searching this family for years. Every record in the states I find......lists only Ireland as place of birth. I've hit a brick wall everywhere. Thank you again. Barb ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of conaught2 Sent: Mon 10/23/2006 9:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IGW] County Down Hi Barb, Send an email to: [email protected] and in the body of the email put subscribe. It is a coincidence that you asked about James Doran. I just returned from Ireland and today I was looking at my County Down records. People researching in County Down are fortunate to have two excellent websites with a lot of records an much much more: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm click on surnames and then you will find an index, there are several James Dorans listed. Ros Davies website http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com <http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/> Raymond's website I believe a Brannigan relative married into the Doran family in Clonduff parish. Good luck on your research. Beannachtai, (blessings in Gaeilge) Margaret (Máiread) > Could you tell me what list might include County Down. I believe my > great grandfather James DORAN was from there. > > Thank you. > Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barb, Send an email to: [email protected] and in the body of the email put subscribe. It is a coincidence that you asked about James Doran. I just returned from Ireland and today I was looking at my County Down records. People researching in County Down are fortunate to have two excellent websites with a lot of records an much much more: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Afrontpage.htm click on surnames and then you will find an index, there are several James Dorans listed. Ros Davies website http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com Raymond's website I believe a Brannigan relative married into the Doran family in Clonduff parish. Good luck on your research. Beannachtai, (blessings in Gaeilge) Margaret (Máiread) > Could you tell me what list might include County Down. I believe my > great grandfather James DORAN was from there. > > Thank you. > Barb

SNIPPET: Hillsborough, County Down, is a village with a castle, a historic fort, Georgian houses and a beautiful park with a lake surrounded by woods, 23 miles from the sea. The Annual International Oyster Festival in Hillsborough enables visitors to attend a three-day fun event for the whole family the beginning of September in what must be one of the most attractive villages in the whole of Ireland, set, as it is, in the beautiful, gentle rolling countryside of County Down, the county in which St. Patrick himself first set foot in Ireland. The germ of the idea of an oyster festival began years ago by Derek PATTERSON, owner of the Plough Inn, who was passionate about fish and wanted to hold a food festival, celebrating Ireland's fresh local produce. There is an oyster eating competition that attracts competitors from Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Norway, Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales, and raises money for charity. Cystic Fibrosis was the charity that benefited in 2005. The local Champion, Colin SHERLOW, said he entered because he wanted to break the world record and have his name in the Guinness Book of Records. He managed to swallow an incredible 233 oysters in three minutes! During the festival, Hillsborough's main street - which runs down a steep hill from the square beside Hillsborough Castle to St. Malachy's Church - is closed to traffic. Street traders and performers arrive. As well as the oyster eating competition, special events are arranged such as a fancy dress competition for children, an open boat race, a parachute descent by 'The Wild Geese' dare devil parachutists, a Grand Ball, musical entertainment and a hotly contested homemade go-cart race in the grounds of St. Malachy's Parish church. Set at the end of tree-lined avenue, the historic church is well worth a visit. The open boat race is one of the most enjoyable events. Teams from the village enter the competition with great enthusiasm and little skill. It all adds to the craic. For information on the Hillsborough Oyster Festival please see www.hillsboroughoysterfestival.com and for general information on Northern Ireland, please see www.discovernorthernireland.com

Hi Barbara, "Google" Password Central Rootsweb or go to (http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com. (Be sure and add it to your "favorites list" so you can find it again. Lots of information there, including What Lists Am I Subscribed To, Help Desk, etc.) Anyway - locate the menu at the top of the Password Central page, click on Mailing Lists. Scroll down and you will find the NORTHERN IRELAND category, where you will find quite a few including one for Co. Down. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckstrom, Barbara A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: [IGW] County Down > Could you tell me what list might include County Down. I believe my > great grandfather James DORAN was from there. > > Thank you. > Barb >

STAR OF THE COUNTY DOWN In Banbridge Town in the County Down One morning last July, >From a boreen green came a sweet colleen, And she smiled as she passed me by. She looked so sweet from her two brown feet To the sheen of her nut brown hair Such a coaxing elf, sure I shook myself For to see I was really there. >From Bantry Bay up to Derry Quay and from Galway to Dublin Town, No maid I've seen like the brown colleen That I met in the County Down. As she onward sped, sure I scratched my head And I looked with a feelin' rare And I say's, say's I, to a passerby Whose the maid with the nut brown hair? He smiled at me and he say's, say's he, That's the gem of Ireland's crown. It's Rosie McCann from the banks of the Bann, She's the star of the County Down. At the Harvest Fair she'll be surely there And I'll dress in my Sunday clothes With my shoes shone bright and my hat cocked right For a smile from my nut brown rose. No pipes I'll smoke, no horse I'll yoke Till my plough turns rust coloured brown Till a smiling bride by my own fireside Sits the star of the County Down.