SNIPPET: The surname KILKELLY is considered an East Galway-Mayo name - originally Mac Giolla Cheallaigh (devotee of St. Ceallach). They were a learned family attached to the O'FLAHERTYs. Note that another resource (surname book) suggests it is almost exclusively found in South Galway. Some have changed their name to KELLY. In 1848-64 records (Griffith's Valuation) there were only 88 KILKELLY households - 76 in Galway, 4 in Roscommon, 4 in Mayo, 2 in Dublin city and 1 in Tipperary. For a small fee, you can access more exact location on each at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ James J. KILKELLY, address/es Summerhill, Nenagh, owned slightly more than 60 acres in Co. Tipperary valued at 76 pounds 5 shillings on the land survey of 1876. The land survey only included those who owned an acre or more. The following gentlemen owned an acre or more of land in Co. Galway in 1876: Charles KILKELLY, MD, address India, owned 3,107 acres. Charles KILKELLY, address Dublin, owned 2,550 acres. John KILKELLY, address Galway, owned 38 acres. John KILKELLY, address Mossfort, Caherlistrane, owned 1,009 acres. On the Matheson survey, I see that in 1890 there were only 7 births of babies with the surname KILKELLY in Ireland, all born in the province of Connaught, mostly Cos. Galway and Roscommon. Google the Leitrim-Roscommon website. Information on other Irish counties is being added daily. There is 1901 Census information on several Irish counties, but it is a work in progress. Of the six KILKELLY households listed so far -- Five families lived in Co. Mayo, two of the heads of households being born in Co. Galway. One family lived in Co. Westmeath but the head of household was born in Co. Roscommon. Similar-sounding surnames include KILCAULEY, KILCAWLEY, KILKENNY, etc.

SNIPPET: "In a famine it is a natural reaction to seek alternative ways of producing food and Quaker workers sought to do this through assistance to fisheries. In the early stages of the relief efforts Quaker travellers in Galway discovered that the fishermen of the Claddagh had pawned their nets and other equipment during the previous year and were destitute. Through cash loans the tackle was redeemed and the fishing community became self-sufficient again. Similar aid was given to fishermen in such centres as Kingstown, Arklow, and Ballycotton and for a small initial input poverty-stricken communities were given back the means of supporting themselves. In the main the loans were repaid within a short time and the funds became available again for other purposes. Not content with helping existing fishing communities the Quaker committees became involved in projects to foster new fisheries. For a variety of reasons these were not successful -- distance from markets and the lack of bait due to the destruction of shellfish beds by the starving population. Fishery projects at Achill and Ballinakill Bay, near Clifden, did not last long. Another, at Belmullet, kept going for two years from the end of 1847 and some fifteen fishing boats and ten curraghs were fitted out. Ultimately this project failed through bad management by the proprietor. A fourth project was undertaken at Castletownbere in west Cork from the autumn of 1847, lasting for nearly five years and employing fifty-four men and boys. Eventually this, too, failed through bad management. Probably the most worthwhile fishery project was that which was established at Ring through the initiative of the local Church of Ireland vicar and which was given financial support by the Quaker relief committee based in Waterford. This provided work and food for a number of families and for a time a fish-curing plant was operated here with Quaker funding." -- Rob GOODBODY, member, Historical Committee of the Religious Society of Friends in Ireland, excerpt article Dublin's "History Ireland" magazine Spring 1998 issue. For further reading - R. GOODBODY, "A Suitable Channel: Quaker Relief in the Great Famine" (Dublin 1995). M. J. WIGHAM, "The Irish Quakers: A Short History of the Society of Friends in Ireland" (Dublin 1992).

SNIPPET: Richard LOVETT was an enthusiastic and observant traveller to Ireland and here are some of his observations: "There are several famous stretches of cliff scenery on the west coast of Ireland -- Moher, Croghan on Achill Island, the cliffs between Ballina and Belmullet, Horn Head, and Slieve League. The last is the most picturesque, and impresses most powerfully the imagination, but the connoisseur should make a point of inspecting them all. The cliffs of Moher extend for several miles along the coast of Clare, reaching in one or two parts an altitude from 600 to 700 feet. The best time to see them is during a westerly gale... Lisdoonvarna is a spa, and those wishful to do so can there partake of either chalybeate or sulphur water, and at the same time study the habits of those who frequent the Irish Cheltenham. But most visitors, after seeing Moher, prefer to leave these tamer beauties for the more rugged scenes of the north, and make speed for Galway. Or, if coming from Dublin, they will take the comfortable and, for Ireland, fast express of the Midland Great Western Railway. By this route the visitor runs across the great central plain of the country, and over the extensive dreary tracts of the Bog of Allen, which at parts extends for miles along both sides of the railway. But even here the dark brown colouring, the dead level, the evidences of peat cutting, and the accentuated monotony of the landscape, combine to interest those who see them for the first time. The peat bogs make up a very considerable proportion of the soil of the country, occupying no less that 2,830,000 acres, and they arouse curiosity as to their origin. Since, like coal, they exhibit no marine fossils, they are not due to the action of the sea. But the evidence shows that they have been formed by mossy growths either in forests or upon the sediment deposited in hollows or fresh-water lakes. The continuous growth and decay during the lapse of ages has slowly built up the peat, which now varies from 20 to 40 feet in thickness, and which supplies over a great part of Ireland the lack of coal. The great bog district over which the railroad to Galway runs is believed to be due to the growth of peat-producing plants destroying the original oak forests, this being succeeded by firs, and these also perishing in turn. Peat-cutting is one of the commonest and most characteristic occupations in Ireland....the commoner method is to cut the peat from above, the operator with the spade standing upon the portion to be cut away, and detaching the blocks vertically, not horizontally. The peat is cut into pieces much the size and shape of a brick... Most travellers in Ireland at some stage of their journeyings have reason to, and very readily can, assure themselves of the heat-giving qualities of peat. Passing first Mullingar, that Mecca of anglers, then Athlone and finally Athenry, with its ruined castle, ancient gateway, and, if seen on market day, picturesque throng of Galway peasants, the train steams into the spacious Galway terminus, adjoining what is the huge hotel built in the hope that Galway would become, what it doubtless ought to be, a great port for the American trade. The curious man may ramble about Galway, and find much to interest him at every turn. The streets for the most part narrow, winding and irregular. The houses form a strange jumble. Side by side with substantial buildings of the most approved nineteenth century type, stand houses which carry the observer back to the sixteenth century, and if in their courtyards he were to see a group of Philip the Second's Spaniards, he could hardly be surprised. There is the same strange variety in the faces to be seen. Here, if nowhere else, the supposed typical Irishman is to be met, in tall hat and knee-breeches, with the short up-turned nose, small forehead and receding chin. Here also in the crowd follow faces that recall one after another the Dane, the Saxon, the Spaniard and the Celt. Here more, perhaps, that in most popular centres in Ireland the mixed character of the Irish people become evident."

----- Original Message ----- From: Donal O'Kelly To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Fw: webmaster By request, can anyone help Suzanne? Bud Flannagan, are you out there? If you can help please write directly to Suzanne. Suzanne DeWeese Thanks again. Don kelly From: Suzanne DeWeese Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: webmaster Dear Sir, My husband and I are both of Irish descent. We will travel in Ireland this July and would like to learn about our ancestors. My husband's connection is to the Flanagan family, and mine is to the Christy family. My grandfather always told me his family was from northern Ireland. That is basically all I know. My great-grandfather was George Franklin Christy, but I believe it was his father who immigrated. Please advise me how I may prepare to do some research on our families. Thank you. Suzanne DeWeese ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: 3/22/2007 7:44 AM

There is no simple answer to your question. I have spent 50 years researching and have found one great-grandparent's birthplace in Ireland -- on a note written by my grandfather on a copy of his parents' 1860 New York City marriage certificate that was in the possession of a cousin who was visiting another cousin who lived near me and brought it along to show. If you don't know the exact parish it is nearly impossible. It you DO know the parish there may be no records for your time period .... in once case the parish records of my ancestor stopped for the two years that would have covered my ancestor's baptism and his parents' marriage ..... so I can't be sure whether they lived there or not. In other cases, the parish records simply don't go back far enough. If your Irish emigrated after 1880 it should be a lot easier as the Irish records are better in later years. Good luck! Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Donal O'Kelly To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: [IGW] Fw: webmaster By request, can anyone help Suzanne? Bud Flannagan, are you out there? From: Suzanne DeWeese Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: webmaster Dear Sir, My husband and I are both of Irish descent. We will travel in Ireland this July and would like to learn about our ancestors. My husband's connection is to the Flanagan family, and mine is to the Christy family. My grandfather always told me his family was from northern Ireland. That is basically all I know. My great-grandfather was George Franklin Christy, but I believe it was his father who immigrated. Please advise me how I may prepare to do some research on our families. Thank you. Suzanne DeWeese -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: 3/22/2007 7:44 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Suzanne, Since you don't know the county where your Christy and Flanagans came from it would be helpful to do some research here first. The LDS Family History Centers are an excellent resource because you can get birth and death records as well as census and the Griffith's Valuation records and much much more. Flanagans originally came from County Fermanagh but are found in most counties. My Grandmother Katherine Flanagan Dowdall came from County Down . There are three George Christys listed in the Griffith's Valuation: County Antrim Civil Parish - Ballintoy Townland - Maghemahar County Antrim Civil Parish - Loughguile Townland- Ballcregagh Lower County Armagh Civil Parish - Ballymor Townland - Ballreagh Contd Have you checked the census for Christy and Flanagan to see when they immigrated? If you don't' have access to the census send me the details of names and cities and I can check. Do you have the years when your Great Grandfather George Christy lived and the town? These bits of information can help locate the needed information here which will make it easier to locate where they came from in Ireland. Any civil or church record you can obtain here will also be very helpful. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donal O'Kelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: [IGW] Fw: webmaster > By request, can anyone help Suzanne? Bud Flannagan, are you out there? > > From: Suzanne DeWeese > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:28 AM > Subject: webmaster > > > Dear Sir, > > My husband and I are both of Irish descent. We will travel in Ireland > this July and would like to learn about our ancestors. > > My husband's connection is to the Flanagan family, and mine is to the > Christy family. My grandfather always told me his family was from northern > Ireland. That is basically all I know. My great-grandfather was George > Franklin Christy, but I believe it was his father who immigrated. > > Please advise me how I may prepare to do some research on our families. > > Thank you. > > Suzanne DeWeese >

By request, can anyone help Suzanne? Bud Flannagan, are you out there? From: Suzanne DeWeese Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: webmaster Dear Sir, My husband and I are both of Irish descent. We will travel in Ireland this July and would like to learn about our ancestors. My husband's connection is to the Flanagan family, and mine is to the Christy family. My grandfather always told me his family was from northern Ireland. That is basically all I know. My great-grandfather was George Franklin Christy, but I believe it was his father who immigrated. Please advise me how I may prepare to do some research on our families. Thank you. Suzanne DeWeese -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: 3/22/2007 7:44 AM

THE HERMIT'S SONG I wish, O Son of the living God, O ancient, eternal King, For a hidden little hut in the wilderness That it may be my dwelling. An all-grey lithe little lark To be by its side A clear pool to wash away sins Through the grace of the Holy Spirit. Quite near, a beautiful wood, Around it on every side, To nurse many-voiced birds, Hiding it with its shelter. And facing the south for warmth; A little brook across its floor, A choice land with many gracious gifts Such as be good for every plant. A few men of sense -- We will tell their number -- Humble and obedient, To pray to the King: Four times three, three times four, Fit for every need, Twice six in the church, Both north and south: Six pairs Besides myself, Praying forever to the King Who makes the sun shine. A pleasant church and with the linen altar-cloth, A dwelling for God from Heaven; Then, shining candles Above the pure white Scriptures. One house for all to go to For the care of the body, Without ribaldry, without boasting, Without thought of evil. This is the husbandry I would take, I would choose, and will not hide it: Fragrant leek, Hens, salmon, trout, bees. Rainment and food enough for me >From the King of fair fame, And I to be sitting for a while Praying God in every place.

SNIPPET: The first three decades of the 19th century saw a wave of immigration of Irish Protestants, most of them from Ulster, who arrived with skills and at least enough money to establish a business or buy a piece of land. Many were weavers, blacksmiths, stonecutters, and tailors, and they knew nothing of the hardship, deprivation, and discrimination that the next generation of Irish immigrants would face. Nor did they share the hard life of the pioneer Ulster Protestant Irish who had preceded them. In the 17th and 18th centuries, these immigrants had fanned out into the wilderness of Appalachia and the Blue Ridge Mountains, carving farms out of the rugged terrain rather than settling in the cities of colonial America. From these pioneering farming familes came familiar names from early American history, including Daniel BOONE, the son of Ulster immigrants. For the skilled Irish immigrants, most of them Protestant, who arrived at the beginning of the 19th century, America was everything it was promised to be. Their view of the New World was summed up by John DOYLE, who arrived in NY in 1818 and described his adopted land as a "a fine country and a much better place for a poor man than Ireland." Adjustments were necessary, he noted, and life surely was different; still , "an enterprising man is allowed to thrive and flourish without having a penny taken out of his pocket by government; no visit from tax gatherers, constable or soldiers."

Donal, Dan, Sean, Noted with interest your inquiries on the above and Jean's excellent response towards obtaining current all-purpose touring maps, & information, etc. Dan O'Mara ... your reference re going to Ireland "again" in 6 months ... plus your reference to a map containing "ALL the County & Townland Boundaries" ... would this be for a specific purpose, other than general information & touring? It is such a broad request ... a general answer might not fill your requirements on what you are looking for or aiming to achieve during your visit. Could you be a little more specific? Within each of the 4 PROVINCE boundaries ... are the COUNTY boundaries ... the BARONIES ... the TOWNLAND boundaries ... the CIVIL Parishes [areas of local government administration]... the names and boundaries of which seldom correspond to ... the PARISH boundaries of the churches in the area. Because of the overlaping boundaries ... 1 single map is not going to be able to outline ALL of the above for you ... but there are maps which do cover several categories at once ... it depends on what you are looking for. As you indicate ... you have 6 months to organize and prepare yourself ... in order to achieve ... what goal? Is it only the County & Townland Boundaries you are requesting? Quoting "Jean R." <[email protected]>: > Hi Dan - Check out the "Ireland of the Welcomes" (magazine) website at > www.irelandofthewelcomes.com and see if they have back issues about the > specific places you want to see. Each issue also has a "Byways rather than > Highways" column by Christopher Moriarty that takes you off the beaten path > with mileage and detailed directions. > > I have a 1985 "Irish Touring Guide," published by Salem House/Appletree > Press that contains a Road Atlas with 15 maps that include each Irish > county. While it doesn't show boundaries, it has a map key that tells you > in which county each town is located and each page relates to the one before > > and the one after. I see that there are some used copies on the Internet > you can buy for about nine dollars. > > Maps to buy in Ireland: Train travelers can do fine with a simple rail map > (available as part of the free Intercity Timetable found at Irish train > stations) and city maps from tourist information offices. (The places I > stayed in Ireland recently (i.e. hotels/B&B's) also had local maps and we > also purchased some at the local tourist information offices - some were > even free. Virtually every town in Ireland has a tourist information > center. In Dublin, you can pick up everything you'll need for Ireland in > one stop at the TI in the old church on Suffolk Street. The general > nationwide tourist information phone number for travelers calling from > within Ireland is 1-850-230-330. We were very impressed that the Irish > people on the street were so friendly and happy to stop and answer > questions. > > Get free maps of Dublin and Ireland from Irish Tourism before you go. > Ireland's national tourist office in the USA is called Tourism Ireland, > offers a wealth of information on both the Republic of Ireland and Northern > Ireland. You can contact them at 345 Park Ave., 17th floor, NY, NY 10154 - > www.tourismireland.com and ask about maps, events, calendar, golfing, > outdoor activities, walking routes, horseback riding, and historic sights. > Request a vacation planner packet. > > If you are driving, get a detailed road atlas covering all of Ireland. > Ordnance Survey, AA, and Barthlomew editions are available for about 12 > euros in tourist information offices, gas stations, and bookstores. > Drivers, hikers, and bikers may want more detailed maps for Dingle, > Connemara, County Donegal, County Wexford, the Antrim Coast, the Ring of > Kerry, and the Boyne Valley (easy to buy locally). Before you buy a map, > look at it to make sure it has the level of detail you want. > > You may want some supplemental travel guidebooks. It may hurt to spend $25 > to $35 dollars on extra books and maps, but when you consider the money > they'll save you and the improvements they'll make in your $3,000 vacation, > it is money well spent. "Rick Steves Ireland" guide-books are updated each > year, unlike some others. Check out his website for tips and feedback from > travelers. For cultural and sightseeing Michelin and Cadogan guides to > Ireland are good. The best budget travel guides to Ireland are said to be > the Lonely Planet and Let's Go guidebooks. Lonely Planet's guidebook is > more thorough and informative but not updated annually. Let's Go Ireland is > > updated annually and youth-oriented, with good coverage of nightlife, > hostels, and cheap transportations deals. Idea -- Shop around for maps in > book form with ring binders that lie flat on one's lap that can be referred > to without struggling to open, close and refold. Jean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sean troy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: [IGW] [IRELAND] Fw: Saw your note on Origins > > > > > > Hi, > > Sorry, I am not able to help you with this. In fact, I am having the same > > problem myself. > > > > The best thing is to find someone who used to live in Ireland, I guess! > > > > All the Best, > > sgtroy > > > >>From: "Donal O'Kelly" <[email protected]> > >>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > >>Subject: [IRELAND] Fw: Saw your note on Origins > >>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:18:38 -0700 > >> > >>What IS the best source for maps of Ireland? > >>Don > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Dan O'Mara > >>To: [email protected] > >>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:43 PM > >>Subject: Saw your note on Origins > >> > >> > >>Hi Donal O'Kelly, > >>Say, do you know any place on line , or even a good mail source for maps > >>that would show all the County and Townland boundaries etc.? > >>(My family was from Urra Townland but I don't have good maps that show > >>those boundaries. I plan to go back there in a bout six months, so I am > >>trying to study-up now... > >>Regards, > >>Dan O'Mara > >> > >> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this incoming message. > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007 > >>12:33 PM > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes > >>in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get Out Of The House - Ski, Skate & Sun > > http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!147 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 3/19/2007 > > > 11:49 AM > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- End forwarded message -----

AFTER FIVE YEARS Pulling up in my car, I went into the cottage, wearing a tie. They didn't recognise me until I took off my sportscoat. Well I knew the walls and what they contained. I could account for the crack in the cup I drank from. I could hear their voice from a distance, knowing its nearness; hardly a word new, hardly a smile that wasn't a clue to another. And when they handed me the fiddle, I played the tune they taught me, although the time was off; the three brothers from the hill came in to make me more at home. The strange cat on the range was the only sign that I had been away. He was offspring of in the generation in between. -- "Augustus Young" (pseud. of James HOGAN) born Cork 1943, published several books of poetry, worked in London for 30 years as an epidemiologist, lives in France.

LISTERS -- Please read my own query at the end of this piece, thank you! Jean SNIPPET: One of the peculiarities of the system of registration is that, although the local Registrars were responsible for the Registers themselves, the legal obligation to register births, deaths and marriages actually rested with the public, and was enforced by hefty fines. A general word of warning about civil registration - a certain proportion of births, deaths and marriages simply went unregistered. Per expert, John GRENHAM, it is impossible to be sure how much is not there, since the thoroughness of local registration depended very much on local conditions and on the individuals responsible, but experience in cross-checking from other sources such as parish and census records suggests that as much as 10 to 15 per cent of marriages and births simply do not appear in the registers. BIRTHS: Persons required to register births were: The parent or parents, or in the case of death or inability of the parent or parents the occupier of the house or tenement in which the child was born; or the nurse; or any person present at the birth of the child. The information they were required to supply was: the date and place of birth; the name (if any); the sex; the name, surname and dwelling place of the father; the name, surname, maiden surname and dwelling place of the mother; the rank, profession or occupation of the father. The informant and the Registrar were both required to sign each entry, which was also to include the date of registration, the residence of the informant and his or her 'qualification' - (for example, 'present at birth'). Notice to the Registrar of the birth was to be given within twenty-one days, and full details within three months. It should be noted that it was not obligatory to register a first name for the child. The very small proportion for which no first name was supplied appear in the index as, for example, 'Kelly (male)' or 'Murphy (female)' In some parts of Ireland girls were much more likely to be named "Catherine," in others "Katherine." In the late 19th century, when a large majority of the population was illiterate, the precise spelling of their surname was a matter of indifference to most people Members of the same family may be registered as, for example, Kilfoyle, Gilfoyle or Guilfoile. Until the start of the Gaelic Revival, prefixes such as "O" and"Mac" were treated as entirely optional and, in the case of the former, in particular, more often omitted than included. Until well into the 20th century, almost all the O'Brien's were recorded under "Brien" or "Bryan." Before starting a search in the indices, therefore, it is essential to have as clear an idea as possible of the variants to be checked. Among the vast majority of the population, the range of first names in use in the 19th century was severely limited. Apart from some localised names - "Cornelius" in south Munster, 'Crohan" in the Caherdaniel area of the Iveragh Peninsula, 'Sabina' in the east Galway/north Roscommon area, the anglicisation of the earlier Gaelic names was restrictive and unimaginative - John, Patrick, Michael, Mary and Bridget occur with almost unbelievable frequency in all parts of the country. Combined with the intensely local nature of surnames, reflecting the earlier tribal areas of the country, this can present intense difficulties when using indexes. For example, per Mr. GRENHAM, a single quarter of 1881, from January to March, might contain 20 or more John (O') Reilly (or Riley) registrations, all in the same registration district of Co. Cavan. A further obstacle is that it is very rare for more than one first name to be registered. One way to surmount the problem, if the precise district is known, is to examine the original registers themselves to build a picture of all families in which the relevant. If the name is unusual enough, of course, this may not be necessary. In Ireland, however, few are lucky enough to have an ancestor called Horace Freke-Blood or Euphemia Thackaberry. Per Mr. GRENHAM, a large measure of skepticism is necessary in regard to the accuracy of date of births, marriage and deaths reported by family members in census returns before 1900. It would appear that up to that time period, very few people actually knew their precise date of birth and a guess will usually produced an underestimate, perhaps, reflecting an age 10-15 years younger than actual and that in many cases ages on censuses were more likely than not to be rounded off - 50, 60, 70. MY NOTE -- Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me that many old registers are divided into quarters of the year by the date registered, rather than the actual birth date. Since the informant had weeks to register the birth, one should investigate the next quarter's data if unable to find a birth registered for the month that person was believed to have been born. Please read more about particular records, indices, registers for certain time periods, Catholic and non-Catholic. Children of well-educated families may appear in records with two or more given names, one of which may reflect a "surname in disguise" important to the family such as mother's maiden name, or the first and middle name actually reflecting the name of a grandfather. Individuals could be named for important historical figures or another family member. Some parents named a child after a sibling who had died. My aunt "Tessie" went by Theresa Harriet and Harriet Theresa on different records. Turned out my uncle Denis was actually Harold Denis, and my "Aunt Pat" wasn't Patricia at all, but Winifred Rosina, who likely was called 'Pat' because her grandfather was Patrick. Individuals may go by a nickname, or a "handle" that differentiated one local family from another. Apparently the first-born son and first-born daughter often reflected the names of their paternal grandparents, but you can read more about naming patterns yourself. MY QUESTION -- Can one research a fairly recent birth, say 1920's, with a child's name, date of birth, father's first name only - no location or information on mother? Aren't more recent all-Ireland births recorded in books by year? Aren't some births for a year actually recorded after the fact (say, when a person applied for a pension) in the back of the appropriate yearly book?

OLD HOUSES I love old houses for their smells, their must and dust and mildew and for what they've been to people I will never know. The character of caulked-up cracks means more to me than plastered walls and pretty paper, walls that play the neighbors' music when the radio I love has gone to sleep. The faces of the old are like old houses every line's a highway from the past. And so I love old houses and the faces that sit rocking on their sagging porches. -- Rod Marvin McKuen, b. 1933 Oakland, CA, author of "Finding My Father," (1976), world-famous poet and songwriter.

Hi Dan - Check out the "Ireland of the Welcomes" (magazine) website at www.irelandofthewelcomes.com and see if they have back issues about the specific places you want to see. Each issue also has a "Byways rather than Highways" column by Christopher Moriarty that takes you off the beaten path with mileage and detailed directions. I have a 1985 "Irish Touring Guide," published by Salem House/Appletree Press that contains a Road Atlas with 15 maps that include each Irish county. While it doesn't show boundaries, it has a map key that tells you in which county each town is located and each page relates to the one before and the one after. I see that there are some used copies on the Internet you can buy for about nine dollars. Maps to buy in Ireland: Train travelers can do fine with a simple rail map (available as part of the free Intercity Timetable found at Irish train stations) and city maps from tourist information offices. (The places I stayed in Ireland recently (i.e. hotels/B&B's) also had local maps and we also purchased some at the local tourist information offices - some were even free. Virtually every town in Ireland has a tourist information center. In Dublin, you can pick up everything you'll need for Ireland in one stop at the TI in the old church on Suffolk Street. The general nationwide tourist information phone number for travelers calling from within Ireland is 1-850-230-330. We were very impressed that the Irish people on the street were so friendly and happy to stop and answer questions. Get free maps of Dublin and Ireland from Irish Tourism before you go. Ireland's national tourist office in the USA is called Tourism Ireland, offers a wealth of information on both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. You can contact them at 345 Park Ave., 17th floor, NY, NY 10154 - www.tourismireland.com and ask about maps, events, calendar, golfing, outdoor activities, walking routes, horseback riding, and historic sights. Request a vacation planner packet. If you are driving, get a detailed road atlas covering all of Ireland. Ordnance Survey, AA, and Barthlomew editions are available for about 12 euros in tourist information offices, gas stations, and bookstores. Drivers, hikers, and bikers may want more detailed maps for Dingle, Connemara, County Donegal, County Wexford, the Antrim Coast, the Ring of Kerry, and the Boyne Valley (easy to buy locally). Before you buy a map, look at it to make sure it has the level of detail you want. You may want some supplemental travel guidebooks. It may hurt to spend $25 to $35 dollars on extra books and maps, but when you consider the money they'll save you and the improvements they'll make in your $3,000 vacation, it is money well spent. "Rick Steves Ireland" guide-books are updated each year, unlike some others. Check out his website for tips and feedback from travelers. For cultural and sightseeing Michelin and Cadogan guides to Ireland are good. The best budget travel guides to Ireland are said to be the Lonely Planet and Let's Go guidebooks. Lonely Planet's guidebook is more thorough and informative but not updated annually. Let's Go Ireland is updated annually and youth-oriented, with good coverage of nightlife, hostels, and cheap transportations deals. Idea -- Shop around for maps in book form with ring binders that lie flat on one's lap that can be referred to without struggling to open, close and refold. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "sean troy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [IGW] [IRELAND] Fw: Saw your note on Origins > > Hi, > Sorry, I am not able to help you with this. In fact, I am having the same > problem myself. > > The best thing is to find someone who used to live in Ireland, I guess! > > All the Best, > sgtroy > >>From: "Donal O'Kelly" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >>Subject: [IRELAND] Fw: Saw your note on Origins >>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:18:38 -0700 >> >>What IS the best source for maps of Ireland? >>Don >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Dan O'Mara >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:43 PM >>Subject: Saw your note on Origins >> >> >>Hi Donal O'Kelly, >>Say, do you know any place on line , or even a good mail source for maps >>that would show all the County and Townland boundaries etc.? >>(My family was from Urra Townland but I don't have good maps that show >>those boundaries. I plan to go back there in a bout six months, so I am >>trying to study-up now... >>Regards, >>Dan O'Mara >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007 >>12:33 PM >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Out Of The House - Ski, Skate & Sun > http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!147 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 3/19/2007 > 11:49 AM >

Hi, Sorry, I am not able to help you with this. In fact, I am having the same problem myself. The best thing is to find someone who used to live in Ireland, I guess! All the Best, sgtroy >From: "Donal O'Kelly" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> >Subject: [IRELAND] Fw: Saw your note on Origins >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:18:38 -0700 > >What IS the best source for maps of Ireland? >Don >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dan O'Mara >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:43 PM >Subject: Saw your note on Origins > > >Hi Donal O'Kelly, >Say, do you know any place on line , or even a good mail source for maps >that would show all the County and Townland boundaries etc.? >(My family was from Urra Townland but I don't have good maps that show >those boundaries. I plan to go back there in a bout six months, so I am >trying to study-up now... >Regards, >Dan O'Mara > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007 >12:33 PM > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get Out Of The House - Ski, Skate & Sun http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!147

SNIPPET: King House is set in the heart of Boyle, Co. Roscommon. The KING family first arrived here in 1603. King House was built first as a home for Sir Henry KING in 1730 and later served as a military barracks for the Connaught Rangers until their disbandment in 1922. King House has much to offer visitors. Cleverly designed displays allow children to experience life through the ages as they try using quill pens or making a vault. The Connaught Rangers Association Museum has much original material relating to the regiment's campaigns, particularly the ill-fated Indian Mutiny of 1920. Interactive exhibits show the history of the kingdom of Connacht and the MacDERMOTT Clan, and the social life of the family as recorded by Lady Eleanor KING. Looking to the future, the Boyle Civic Collection of contemporary Irish art is also housed here and during the Boyle Arts Festival, King House is a popular venue for music and performances. A lively farmer's market is held each week in the grounds and there are also special events such as Step Back in Time, when guides in period costume add to the fun of learning of the past. There are plans afoot to hold Georgian banquets here, while a bustling craft shop and restaurant awaits visitors April-September. Pre-booked groups and tours welcome all year round. Website: www.kinghouse.ie

SAID THE WIDOW TO THE NIGHT I have cried to the night so loud That I have left a man to his grave And not one more kiss I had To ease the lonely journey as I myself wait to die In the kitchen where I spend my days with elbows furrowed in grooves Upon the wood I watch life as I knew it with him And now a stranger to the world, I be With the birds above signalling the height to which I shall rise Upon my window sill I have flora bright My family have long since passed Those days were long But none as sore as my own decline To recall his hand on mine is all too familiar an ache For his hands are now in soil Reaching up to mine from the very land he walked My voice an echo, my tears a puddle, a grave I am to find Said the widow to the night. -- Deirdre Morris, "Creative Rhymes," Dublin's poets and writers magazine

The publication is organized into chapters, a chapter to a particular state happenings within the family, including Chapter One, "CLAN FERRILL, in Mississippi. About 90% of the text deals with happenings in Jackson County, with brief mentions of Counties George, Pearl River, Kemper as to family connections in those counties. I have an updated version, which is attached, almost ready to go to Pat Creel, after a few minor spelling errors have been corrected. I think Pat Creel has now accepted responsibility for coordinating information relating to George County, in addition to retaining responsibility for Jackson County. I have prepared "Micosfot Office-Excel" format aspreadsheet on all persons named in the article, which includes about 235 names, witha few more pending inclusion. Without making a detailed check, I would guess that far more than half have to do with residents of Jackson/Geroge counties. I think this could be of interest to members of the clan (extended family) in the coverage area of your newspaper. Please let me know whether I might be of assistance. E. Ferrill McKee

What IS the best source for maps of Ireland? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan O'Mara To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: Saw your note on Origins Hi Donal O'Kelly, Say, do you know any place on line , or even a good mail source for maps that would show all the County and Townland boundaries etc.? (My family was from Urra Townland but I don't have good maps that show those boundaries. I plan to go back there in a bout six months, so I am trying to study-up now... Regards, Dan O'Mara -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007 12:33 PM

SNIPPET: Donal HORGAN lives in the city of Cork and is a school teacher with a life-long interest in tourism. Author of "Echo: Killarney and its History," HORGAN's most recent publication is "The Victorian Visitor In Ireland: Irish Tourism 1840-1910." It is available from bookshops and was published by imagimedia. There is also an article by Mr. HORGAN(accompanied by several marvelous old photographs) in the May-June 2003 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine. Up until the 1820s, the journey across the Irish Sea was made under sail and an experience only to be "endured," but the development of an extensive steam packet service between various Irish and British ports improved things considerably. Per the author, the Victorian era took its name and much of its tone from Queen Victoria. Born in 1819, she became Queen in 1837 and reigned for 64 years until her death in 1901. She first visited Ireland in 1849 when the royal yacht docked at Cobh, Co. Cork, and in her honour the town was renamed Queenstown. Accompanied by her husband, she inspected the Book of Kells at Trinity College. The Queen visited Ireland in 1853 and again in 1861 when she visited Killarney. Her fourth and final visit came in April 1900, when the elderly monarch spent three weeks in Dublin staying in the Phoenix Park at the Vice-Regal Lodge, now the official resident of the President of Ireland. Queen Victoria's visits did much to popularise Ireland as a holiday destination. However, until the late 19th century such travel was confined to a small elite who had both the time and means to indulge themselves in holiday-making. Invariably, many were drawn from the new industrial cities of England. As early as 1840, tourists were already visiting locations such as Dublin, Killarney, the Giant's Causeway and sea-side resorts such as Bray, Portrush, and Kilkee. Lisdoonvarna, that Co. Clare spa resort, was a perennial favourite of all health-conscious Victorians. Extension of railway lines in 1851 brought visitors to Galway and the desolate vastness of Connemara. In 1895 there was a link between Galway and Clifden. Dublin was connected with Belfast, and most visitors remarked on the great contrast between the largely rural south of Ireland with the industrial north that included Belfast. In the aftermath of the Great Famine (1845-49), Ireland was indeed a different country to a bustling industrial England. Poverty was endemic, particularly in the cities and along the western seaboard. Most visitors were shocked by the scale of this poverty, with many writing of being pursued for miles by beggars and those seeking alms. There apparently was, however, an abundance of food available for those with money to buy it. Fish was particularly plentiful and in 1842, THACKERAY remarked that he paid only two shillings for a turbot that would have a cost a guinea (21 shillings) in London's Billingsgate Market. Tourism in Ireland took a major leap forward with the development of the railways. Ireland's first railway was built in 1834, linking Dublin with the nearby port of Kingstown (Dun Laoghaire). This railway line was an immediate success and sparked a period of railway building through Ireland. Comfort was not always guaranteed and well-to-do travellers usually took along foot warmers and well-stocked picnic baskets for long journeys. By 1870, Ireland had close to 2,000 miles of railway carrying an impressive 14 million passengers annually! Popular souvenirs and gift items in the 19th century included Belleek pottery, founded in 1857, and Connemara marble which has been quarried at Recess, Co. Galway since the late 19th century. In Killarney the emphasis was on the manufacture of trinkets inlaid with local yew and arbutus wood (now highly prized by collectors) while guides at the Giant's Causeway in Antrim offered tourists fossils and rock collections. In Limerick, lace was popular with visitors and the grieving Queen Victoria is said to have used Limerick lace when mourning the death of her husband, Prince Albert. Old photos in the magazine include the Royal Hotel, Glendalough, Co. Wicklow with the round tower of St. Kevin's monastic settlement in the background; the Galway to Clifden mail car, c. 1880 with a rich assortment of bundled-up travellers aboard; three older Irish women wearing shawls (one smoking a pipe!) seated on the "wishing chair" at the Giant's Causeway in Antrim (circa 1890) with baskets of items for sale; portable changing huts lined up at the seaside resort of Tramore, Co. Waterford; and a well-dressedVictorian family posed at the Twin Wells, Lisdoonvarna, Co. Clare circa 1908. There is an illustration "The Seafront at Bray, Co. Wicklow in 1862" as depicted by Erskine NICOL (1825-1904) courtesy of the National Gallery of Ireland. There is also a charming and colorful cover of a supplement to "The Sketch," April 4, 1900, which commemorated Queen Victoria's fourth visit to Ireland. Illustration is of a fair Irish girl presenting the Queen with a bouquet of shamrocks wrapped with a ribbon that reads "Irish Valour." She is greeted by the words, "A Hundred Thousand Welcomes." One comment found in the article is that of Ann Marie DE BOVET, in "Three Months in Ireland" (1891), who described legs of mutton, roasted and swimming in a delicious gravy that was "the only triumph of Irish cookery." She was critical of the boiled fowls which she felt were "dishonored" by a white paste with chopped parsley - the national sauce. She enjoyed potatoes boiled in their jackets and other assorted vegetables but called the soup with its pepper & cloves "abominable." You'll be glad to hear that Ms. DE BOVET found the ham to her liking!