SNIPPET: A decade before the blight attacked the potatoes of Ireland in the late summer of 1845, Alexis de TOCQUEVILLE had made a tour of Ireland. "You cannot imagine," he wrote his father soon after landing, "what a complexity of miseries five centuries of oppression, civil disorder, and religious hostility have piled on this poor people." The poverty he subsequently witnessed was, he recorded, "such as I did not imagine existed in this world. It is a frightening thing, I assure you, to see a whole population reduced to fasting like Trappists, and not being sure of surviving to the next harvest, which is still not expected for another ten days." The same year as TOCQUEVILLE's visit, a German traveler in Kilkenny, in the relatively prosperous eastern part of the country, watched as a mother collected the skins of gooseberries that had been spit on the ground and fed them to her child. -- Excerpt, Peter QUINN, "The Tragedy Of Bridget Such-A-One," December 1997 issue of "American Heritage" magazine. Mr. QUINN is also the author of "Banished Children of Eve," a novel about the Irish in New York during the 1860s, published by Penguin in 1994.

a "possible" match for your Julia. let me know if you want a copy of the census image to look at 1871 Wales Census Name: Julia Mahoney Age: 11 months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Margret Gender: Female Where born: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Roath Ecclesiastical parish: Roath Town: Roath County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: Registration district: Cardiff Sub registration district: Cardiff ED, institution, or vessel: 28a Household schedule number: 73 Household Members: Name Age Ann Mahoney 7 Anna Mahoney 3 Bridget Mahoney 11 months Cathrine Mahoney 10 Ellen Mahoney 16 James Mahoney 44 Julia Mahoney 11 months Margret Mahoney 30 Margret Mahoney 8 Mary Mahoney 18 William Mahoney 14 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> > Thanks Pat. She might have still been in Ireland on those dates also. > Will try other areas > Cheers, > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Connors" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Mahoney > > > >I checked both the 1871 and 1881 Wales censuses and didn't find her. > > The 1881 is free on FamilySearch.org. Maybe with a little more time, > > she could be found. Maybe she was living in England for the censuses. > > > > > >> > >> Does any person have any information on my grandmother, Julia Ann MAHONEY > >> b. Ireland who married Thomas Hooley in Cardiff Wales. Her father was > >> James and was deceased at her wedding in 1888.She died 1903 in Cardiff. > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > > It is a good place to get help with your family research. > > Help wanted: County Coordinators > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > It is a good place to get help with your family research. > Help wanted: County Coordinators > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I missed the original post but i did find her in 1901 as below WALES i will check earlier dates, what are you looking for exactly? they are also residing Cardiff in 1891 with james and ellen children ............................................................. Julia A Hooley Age in 1901:32 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1869 Relation:Wife Spouse's Name:Thomas Gender:Female Where born:Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish:St Mary Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Registration district:Cardiff Sub registration district:Central Cardiff ED, institution, or vessel:29 Household schedule number:227 Household Members:NameAge Ellen Hooley13 Julia A Hooley32 Thomas Hooley40 Thomas P Hooley7 Timothy Hooley2 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> > Thanks Pat. She might have still been in Ireland on those dates also. > Will try other areas > Cheers, > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Connors" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Mahoney > > > >I checked both the 1871 and 1881 Wales censuses and didn't find her. > > The 1881 is free on FamilySearch.org. Maybe with a little more time, > > she could be found. Maybe she was living in England for the censuses. > > > > > >> > >> Does any person have any information on my grandmother, Julia Ann MAHONEY > >> b. Ireland who married Thomas Hooley in Cardiff Wales. Her father was > >> James and was deceased at her wedding in 1888.She died 1903 in Cardiff. > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > > It is a good place to get help with your family research. > > Help wanted: County Coordinators > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > It is a good place to get help with your family research. > Help wanted: County Coordinators > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, Does any person have any information on my grandmother, Julia Ann MAHONEY b. Ireland who married Thomas Hooley in Cardiff Wales. Her father was James and was deceased at her wedding in 1888.She died 1903 in Cardiff. Many thanks, Mary

Patty as far as I can tell all of the above families lived and farmed in and around ( within 3 or 4 miles ) an area stretching from Corran and Old Abbey in the north, south through Ballyheady and Farlistown and Ballymartle to Ballintober in the south which is a couple of miles north of Kinsale. And townland either side of this off of the road from Halfway to Kinsale. The Catholic parishes were Ballinhassig and Clontead. They may very well be connected to other families of the same name from Carrigaline, which after all is only a couple of miles to the east, but I don't know. If you wish to contact me off-line, I could give you more info. Mary On 7 Sep 2008, at 08:00, irelandgenweb-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > It is a good place to get help with your family research. > Help wanted: County Coordinators > Add you surname to the Ireland Surname Registry at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.net/IrelandList/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: O Brien, Barry, Mahoney, Coakley Barrett > (Patricia Mahoney) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:33:11 -0400 > From: Patricia Mahoney <pattyssons@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Fwd: O Brien, Barry, Mahoney, Coakley > Barrett > To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY119-W4391765AEB412BEB0E18A1D55B0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Any chance they are related to Barry, Mahony, Callaghan from > Carrigaline-Crosshaven parish, Cork? > I have some excerpts from parish records from Carrigaline-Crosshaven > and have ordered the book through fhl to find more. > PattyMahoney > Boys and Girls Club of Greater Billerica > >> To: irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> From: mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:18:57 +0100> Subject: [Irish Genealogy] Fwd: >> O Brien, Barry, Mahoney, Coakley Barrett> > > > Begin forwarded >> message:> > > From: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk>> > Date: >> 5 September 2008 18:00:00 BST> > To: irlandgenweb@rootsweb.com> > >> Subject: O Brien, Barry, Mahoney, Coakley Barrett> >> > Does anybody >> on the lists have any information on any of these > > families:> >> > >> O BRIEN, BARRY, MAHONEY, COAKLEY or Coughlan, BARRETT> >> > from the >> parishes of Ballymartle or Templemichael, Cork, dates about > > 1860 >> to 1890s? My family, McCARTHY / CALLAGHAN are related to these > > >> names - cousins and in-laws, and I have a fair bit of information > > >> already but would be interested in hearing from anyone who thinks >> that > > they may be linked.> >> > Mary> >> Check out the Ireland >> GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/> It is a good place >> to get help with your family research! > .> Help wanted: County Coordinators> -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are > part of your life. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRELANDGENWEB list administrator, send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRELANDGENWEB mailing list, send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRELANDGENWEB Digest, Vol 3, Issue 205 > ********************************************* >

SNIPPET: Per Edna O'BRIEN's book, "Mother Ireland," pub. 1976: "The tinker tribes are the Claffeys, the Sherlocks, the Driscolls, the Caseys, the Carthys, the Coffeys and the McQueens. They meet once a year at Killorglin in Co. Kerry for the Puck Fair."

I checked both the 1871 and 1881 Wales censuses and didn't find her. The 1881 is free on FamilySearch.org. Maybe with a little more time, she could be found. Maybe she was living in England for the censuses. > > Does any person have any information on my grandmother, Julia Ann MAHONEY b. Ireland who married Thomas Hooley in Cardiff Wales. Her father was James and was deceased at her wedding in 1888.She died 1903 in Cardiff. > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Any chance they are related to Barry, Mahony, Callaghan from Carrigaline-Crosshaven parish, Cork? I have some excerpts from parish records from Carrigaline-Crosshaven and have ordered the book through fhl to find more. PattyMahoney Boys and Girls Club of Greater Billerica > To: irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> From: mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:18:57 +0100> Subject: [Irish Genealogy] Fwd: O Brien, Barry, Mahoney, Coakley Barrett> > > > Begin forwarded message:> > > From: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk>> > Date: 5 September 2008 18:00:00 BST> > To: irlandgenweb@rootsweb.com> > Subject: O Brien, Barry, Mahoney, Coakley Barrett> >> > Does anybody on the lists have any information on any of these > > families:> >> > O BRIEN, BARRY, MAHONEY, COAKLEY or Coughlan, BARRETT> >> > from the parishes of Ballymartle or Templemichael, Cork, dates about > > 1860 to 1890s? My family, McCARTHY / CALLAGHAN are related to these > > names - cousins and in-laws, and I have a fair bit of information > > already but would be interested in hearing from anyone who thinks that > > they may be linked.> >> > Mary> >> Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/> It is a good place to get help with your family research.> Help wanted: County Coordinators> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/

Begin forwarded message: > From: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> > Date: 5 September 2008 18:00:00 BST > To: irlandgenweb@rootsweb.com > Subject: O Brien, Barry, Mahoney, Coakley Barrett > > Does anybody on the lists have any information on any of these > families: > > O BRIEN, BARRY, MAHONEY, COAKLEY or Coughlan, BARRETT > > from the parishes of Ballymartle or Templemichael, Cork, dates about > 1860 to 1890s? My family, McCARTHY / CALLAGHAN are related to these > names - cousins and in-laws, and I have a fair bit of information > already but would be interested in hearing from anyone who thinks that > they may be linked. > > Mary >

Begin forwarded message: > From: Mary Simpson <mary@msimpson.demon.co.uk> > Date: 5 September 2008 18:00:00 BST > To: irlandgenweb@rootsweb.com > Subject: O Brien, Barry, Mahoney, Coakley Barrett > > Does anybody on the lists have any information on any of these > families: > > O BRIEN, BARRY, MAHONEY, COAKLEY or Coughlan, BARRETT > > from the parishes of Ballymartle or Templemichael, Cork, dates about > 1860 to 1890s? My family, McCARTHY / CALLAGHAN are related to these > names - cousins and in-laws, and I have a fair bit of information > already but would be interested in hearing from anyone who thinks that > they may be linked. > > Mary >

WINDHARP The sounds of Ireland, that restless whispering you never get away from, seeping out of low bushes and grass, heatherbells and fern, wrinkling bog pools, scraping tree branches, light hunting cloud, sound hounding sight, a hand ceaselessly combing and stroking the landscape, till the valley gleams like the pile upon a mountain pony's coat.. -- John Montague, born Brooklyn, NY, 1929, brought up in Garvaghey, Co. Tyrone; since early 1970s Cork has been his home.

> > Since this family may have come to Canada c.a. 1825, would the 1851 Townland > Index be of use to me? > > Well, yes, those townland names haven't changed much, other than spelling. Originally they were in the Irish language and after the British invasion and occupation, they used English. So, maybe the name would lose something in translation but how sure of you of the spelling if it was passed down orally. So, if I were you, with the clue you have, I would use the index and google. What you might find more frustrating is how many townlands have the same name. Records for the late 1700s, early 1800s are fairly scarce. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hello The dates dont match( maybe this there son William)but one thing I found interesting is your mention of the Rourke name. I have a family William Burns living in Conquest, New York in 1870 census born abt 1822 in Ireland with wife Mary daughter Mary, son William. But if you go back to the 1860 census the Burns child Mary age 3 is living with my ggg great grandparents John and Bridget(Ryan) Roarke, Rourke, Ruark,. Maybe they were just helping a neighbor out as they are on the same census page in 1860. In the 1865 state census the Burns kids must be back with parents as they are in 1870. There is probably no connection but I have always wondered why the Burns child was listed in their household in 1860. Wes ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Clark" <dclark10@cfl.rr.com> To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] SURNAME" BURNS" > Hi Jean, > > Thank you so much for your reply to my request. The people I am searching > for are William Burns and his wife Nancy (aka Anne) O'Rourke. William was > born c.a. 1798 in Ireland and Nancy was born c.a. 1805 in Ireland as well. > These folk came into New York State about 1840 from Canada. Therefore, I > assume they immigrated into Canada from Ireland about 1825 (first child > born > in Canada c.a. 1825). Whether they were married in Ireland or Canada I do > not know. William is buried in a Catholic cemetery so perhaps he was > Catholic but nothing definitive on that. All paperwork I have come across > thus far indicates only the country but not the county or region in > Ireland. > The name Carrowkiel was given to me without source and has seemingly been > kept alive more by word of mouth thru the years. The spelling is > undoubtedly a guesstimate and not necessarily accurate. William and > Nancy's > children's names were William, Alice, James, Mary Anne, Thomas, Barney, > Edward, Michael and Franklin. > > Since there seem to be many options with this location name would there be > a > way to narrow down my search? > > Thank you again for your help thus far. > > Dawna Clark > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> > To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Carrowkiel, Irelandl > > >> Hi Dawna - Please give us the family SURNAMES you are researching in >> reference to that location. Best to type in all caps the surnames of >> interest in the subject line. Was a particular couple thought to have >> been >> married in Ireland or in Canada? Any idea, at all, of a county in >> Ireland >> or province? Northern Ireland or the Republic? Any other surnames >> connected with this family? Protestant or Catholic? Any unusual given >> names in the children that might be mother's maiden name in disguise? >> >> The (all-Ireland) townland search engine (IreAtlas) at the >> Leitrim-Roscommon.com/ website, reveals (by conducting a "begins with" >> search for letter group Carrowk) that in the 1850's there were 76 >> townlands >> in Ireland with the Carrowkeel or relatively similar spelling - Cos. >> Donegal, Galway and Sligo seem to be the most prominent. Still, there is >> a >> Carrowkeale townland in Co. Tipperary and Carrowkeel placenames (one or >> more) in Cos. Clare, Donegal, Fermanagh, Galway, Offaly (King's Co.), >> Leitrim, Limerick, Mayo, Monaghan, Roscommon, Sligo, Clare and Donegal. >> >> *** Obtaining documents and death notices on the family from the last >> known >> places they lived (and interviewing your living relatives) should help to >> pin down a particular county or region in Ireland (province) or some >> other >> clues to work with. I discovered a lot by contacting my cousins, aunts >> and >> uncles. I didn't find your particular spelling, but you could do a >> "Google >> search," see what comes up. >> Jean >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "D Clark" <dclark10@cfl.rr.com> >> To: <IRELANDGENWEB@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:51 AM >> Subject: [Irish Genealogy] Carrowkiel, Irelandl >> You wrote: >> >>> ... I am looking for information/history,etc. on a town in Ireland named >>> Carrowkiel. And, if there is such a place, where would people who lived >>> there embark upon their immigration into Canada in the early 1800's. >>> The >>> only information I have is the family name and this location. <snip> >> >> Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ >> It is a good place to get help with your family research. >> Help wanted: County Coordinators >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > It is a good place to get help with your family research. > Help wanted: County Coordinators > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, Thank you so much for your reply to my request. The people I am searching for are William Burns and his wife Nancy (aka Anne) O'Rourke. William was born c.a. 1798 in Ireland and Nancy was born c.a. 1805 in Ireland as well. These folk came into New York State about 1840 from Canada. Therefore, I assume they immigrated into Canada from Ireland about 1825 (first child born in Canada c.a. 1825). Whether they were married in Ireland or Canada I do not know. William and Nancy's children's names were William, Alice, James, Mary Anne, Thomas, Barney, Edward, Michael and Franklin. William is buried in a Catholic cemetery so perhaps he was Catholic but nothing definitive on that. All paperwork I have come across thus far indicates only the country but not the county or region in Ireland. The name Carrowkiel was given to me without source and has seemingly been kept alive by word of mouth thru the years. The spelling is undoubtedly a guesstimate and not necessarily accurate. I am merely following up on a lead which may take me nowhere. Since this family may have come to Canada c.a. 1825, would the 1851 Townland Index be of use to me? Thanks again for your suggestions and I look forward to hearing from you. Dawna Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Carrowkiel, Irelandl > How did you come up with this townland name? Do you have a document > saying one of your ancestors was from this townland? No county name? > > I would start with the 1851 Townland Index at: > http://www.seanruad.com/ > Putting in the name as you have it spelled, there are no hits. > However, Carrowkeel, gets over 60 hits. > > I would also try googling the name and see what you get. > > Maybe with a little more information, we will be able to direct you > further. > > >> >> I am looking for information/history,etc. on a town in Ireland named >> Carrowkiel. And, if there is such a place, where would people who lived >> there embark upon their immigration into Canada in the early 1800's. The >> only information I have is the family name and this location. >> >> > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > It is a good place to get help with your family research. > Help wanted: County Coordinators > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jean, Thank you so much for your reply to my request. The people I am searching for are William Burns and his wife Nancy (aka Anne) O'Rourke. William was born c.a. 1798 in Ireland and Nancy was born c.a. 1805 in Ireland as well. These folk came into New York State about 1840 from Canada. Therefore, I assume they immigrated into Canada from Ireland about 1825 (first child born in Canada c.a. 1825). Whether they were married in Ireland or Canada I do not know. William is buried in a Catholic cemetery so perhaps he was Catholic but nothing definitive on that. All paperwork I have come across thus far indicates only the country but not the county or region in Ireland. The name Carrowkiel was given to me without source and has seemingly been kept alive more by word of mouth thru the years. The spelling is undoubtedly a guesstimate and not necessarily accurate. William and Nancy's children's names were William, Alice, James, Mary Anne, Thomas, Barney, Edward, Michael and Franklin. Since there seem to be many options with this location name would there be a way to narrow down my search? Thank you again for your help thus far. Dawna Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <irelandgenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Carrowkiel, Irelandl > Hi Dawna - Please give us the family SURNAMES you are researching in > reference to that location. Best to type in all caps the surnames of > interest in the subject line. Was a particular couple thought to have > been > married in Ireland or in Canada? Any idea, at all, of a county in Ireland > or province? Northern Ireland or the Republic? Any other surnames > connected with this family? Protestant or Catholic? Any unusual given > names in the children that might be mother's maiden name in disguise? > > The (all-Ireland) townland search engine (IreAtlas) at the > Leitrim-Roscommon.com/ website, reveals (by conducting a "begins with" > search for letter group Carrowk) that in the 1850's there were 76 > townlands > in Ireland with the Carrowkeel or relatively similar spelling - Cos. > Donegal, Galway and Sligo seem to be the most prominent. Still, there is > a > Carrowkeale townland in Co. Tipperary and Carrowkeel placenames (one or > more) in Cos. Clare, Donegal, Fermanagh, Galway, Offaly (King's Co.), > Leitrim, Limerick, Mayo, Monaghan, Roscommon, Sligo, Clare and Donegal. > > *** Obtaining documents and death notices on the family from the last > known > places they lived (and interviewing your living relatives) should help to > pin down a particular county or region in Ireland (province) or some other > clues to work with. I discovered a lot by contacting my cousins, aunts > and > uncles. I didn't find your particular spelling, but you could do a > "Google > search," see what comes up. > Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D Clark" <dclark10@cfl.rr.com> > To: <IRELANDGENWEB@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:51 AM > Subject: [Irish Genealogy] Carrowkiel, Irelandl > You wrote: > >> ... I am looking for information/history,etc. on a town in Ireland named >> Carrowkiel. And, if there is such a place, where would people who lived >> there embark upon their immigration into Canada in the early 1800's. The >> only information I have is the family name and this location. <snip> > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > It is a good place to get help with your family research. > Help wanted: County Coordinators > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELANDGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dawna - Please give us the family SURNAMES you are researching in reference to that location. Best to type in all caps the surnames of interest in the subject line. Was a particular couple thought to have been married in Ireland or in Canada? Any idea, at all, of a county in Ireland or province? Northern Ireland or the Republic? Any other surnames connected with this family? Protestant or Catholic? Any unusual given names in the children that might be mother's maiden name in disguise? The (all-Ireland) townland search engine (IreAtlas) at the Leitrim-Roscommon.com/ website, reveals (by conducting a "begins with" search for letter group Carrowk) that in the 1850's there were 76 townlands in Ireland with the Carrowkeel or relatively similar spelling - Cos. Donegal, Galway and Sligo seem to be the most prominent. Still, there is a Carrowkeale townland in Co. Tipperary and Carrowkeel placenames (one or more) in Cos. Clare, Donegal, Fermanagh, Galway, Offaly (King's Co.), Leitrim, Limerick, Mayo, Monaghan, Roscommon, Sligo, Clare and Donegal. *** Obtaining documents and death notices on the family from the last known places they lived (and interviewing your living relatives) should help to pin down a particular county or region in Ireland (province) or some other clues to work with. I discovered a lot by contacting my cousins, aunts and uncles. I didn't find your particular spelling, but you could do a "Google search," see what comes up. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Clark" <dclark10@cfl.rr.com> To: <IRELANDGENWEB@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:51 AM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] Carrowkiel, Irelandl You wrote: > ... I am looking for information/history,etc. on a town in Ireland named > Carrowkiel. And, if there is such a place, where would people who lived > there embark upon their immigration into Canada in the early 1800's. The > only information I have is the family name and this location. <snip>

How did you come up with this townland name? Do you have a document saying one of your ancestors was from this townland? No county name? I would start with the 1851 Townland Index at: http://www.seanruad.com/ Putting in the name as you have it spelled, there are no hits. However, Carrowkeel, gets over 60 hits. I would also try googling the name and see what you get. Maybe with a little more information, we will be able to direct you further. > > I am looking for information/history,etc. on a town in Ireland named Carrowkiel. And, if there is such a place, where would people who lived there embark upon their immigration into Canada in the early 1800's. The only information I have is the family name and this location. > > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I am not certain I am at a correct site to ask my question but I must begin somewhere and, hopefully, someone can either help me or refer me. I am looking for information/history,etc. on a town in Ireland named Carrowkiel. And, if there is such a place, where would people who lived there embark upon their immigration into Canada in the early 1800's. The only information I have is the family name and this location. Many thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide. Dawna Clark

SNIPPET: Only a fraction of the ancient Irish laws ("Brehon Laws") written down circa A.D. 700 survives today, although what remains of this law literature occupies five large volumes. Crith Gablach, one volume, defines the rights and privileges of the various ranks of society. All freemen were landowners. The brehon (Irish term for official lawgiver) catalogued elaborate subdivisions of each class according to property qualifications. Below is a detailed inventory of the contents of a home of a "boaire" or higher grade of freeman. The furnishings in the home of an artistocrat would be similar although more luxurious: All the furniture of his house is in its proper place -- a cauldron with its spit and handles, a vat in which a measure of ale may be brewed, a cauldron for everyday use, small vessels: iron pots and kneading trough and wooden mugs, so that he has no need to borrow them; a washing trough and a bath, tubs, candlesticks, knives for cutting rushes; rope, an adze, an auger, a pair of wooden shears, an axe; the work-tools for every season -- every one unborrowed; a whetstone, a bill-hook, a hatchet, spears for slaughtering livestock; a fire always alive, a candle on the candlestick without fail; a full ploughing outfit with all its equipment... There are two vessels in his house always: a vessel of milk and a vessel of ale. He is a man of three snouts: the snout of a rooting boar that cleaves dishonour in every season, the snout of a flitch of bacon on the hook, the snout of a plough under the ground; so that he is capable of receiving a king or a bishop or a scholar or a brehon from the road, prepared for the arrival of any guest-company. He owns seven houses: a kiln, a barn, a mill (a share in it so that it grinds for him), a house of twenty-seven feet, an outhouse of seventeen feet, a pig-stye, a pen for calves, a sheep-pen. He has twenty cows, two bulls, six oxen, twenty pigs, twenty sheep, four domestic boars, two sows, a saddle-horse, an enamelled bridle, sixteen bushels of seed in the ground. He has a bronze cauldron in which there is room for a boar. He possesses a green in which there are always sheep without having to change pasture. He and his wife have four suits of clothes. -- "The Irish, A Treasury of Art and Literature," ed. Leslie Conron Carola (1993) ISBN 0-8863-966-1.

THE WOMAN OF THE HOUSE (In memory of his grandmother Lucy Mary Ormsby whose home was in the west of Ireland 1873-1958). On a patrician evening in Ireland I was born in the guest-room: she delivered me. May I deliver her from the cold hand Where now she lies, with a brief elegy? It was her house where we spent holidays, With candles to bed, and ghostly stories: In the lake of her heart we were islands Where the wild asses galloped in the wind. Her mind was a vague and log-warmed yarn Spun between sleep and acts of kindliness: She fed our feelings as dew feeds the grass On April nights, and our mornings were green: And those happy days, when in spite of rain We'd motor west where the salmon-boats tossed, She would sketch on the pier among the pots Waves in a sunset, or the rising moon. Indian-meal porridge and brown soda-bread, Boiled eggs and buttermilk, honey from gorse, Far more than we wanted she always offered In a heart-surfeit; she ate little herself. Mistress of mossy acres and unpaid rent, She crossed the walls on foot to feed the sick: Though frugal cousins frowned on all she spent People had faith in her healing talent. She bandaged the wounds that poverty caused In the house that famine labourers built, Gave her hands to cure impossible wrong In a useless way, and was loved for it. Hers were the fruits of a family tree: A china clock, the Church's calendar, Gardeners polite, governesses plenty, And incomes waiting to be married for. How the feckless fun would flicker her face Reading our future by cards at the fire, Rings and elopements, love-letters, old lace, A signet of jokes to seal our desire. "It was sad about Maud, poor Maud!" she'd sigh, To think of a friend she lured and teased Till she married the butler. "Starved to death, No service either by padre or priest." Cholera raged in the Residency; "They kept my uncle alive on port." Which saved him to slaughter a few sepoys And retire to Galway in search of sport. The pistol that lost an ancestor's duel, The hoof of the horse that carried him home To be stretched on chairs in the drawing-room, Hung by the Rangoon prints and the Crimean medal. Lever and Lover, Somerville and Ross Have fed the same worm as Blackstone and Gibbon, The mildew has spotted "Clarissa"'s spine And soiled the "Despatches of Wellington." Beside her bed lay an old Bible that Her Colonel Rector husband used to read, And a new "Writers' and Artists' Year-book" To bring a never-printed girlhood back. The undeveloped thoughts died in her head, But from her heart, through the people she loved Images spread, and intuitions lived, More than the mere sense of what she said. At last, her warmth made ashes of the trees Ancestors planted, and she was removed To hospital to die there, certified. Her house, but not her kindness, has found heirs. Compulsory comforts penned her limping soul: With all she uttered they smiled and agreed. When she summoned the chauffeur, no one obeyed, But a chrome hearse was ready for nightfall. "Order the car for nine o'clock tonight! I must get back, get back. They're expecting me. I'll bring the spiced beef and the nuts and fruit. Come home and I'll brew you lime-flower tea!" "The house in flames and nothing is insured! Send for the doctor, let the horses go. The dogs are barking again. Has the cow Calved in the night? What is that great singed bird?" "I don't know who you are, but you've kind eyes. My children are abroad and I'm alone. They left me in this gaol. You all tell lies. You're not my people. My people have gone." Now she's spent everything: the golden waste Is washed away, silent her heart's hammer. The children overseas no longer need her, They are like aftergrass to her harvest. People she loved were those who worked the land Whom the land satisfied more than wisdom: They've gone, a tractor ploughs where horses strained. Sometimes sheep occupy their roofless room. Through our inheritance all things have come, The form, the means, all by our family: The good of being alive was given through them, We ourselves limit that legacy. The bards in their beds once beat our ballads Under leaky thatch listening to sea-birds, But she in the long ascendancy of rain Served biscuits on a tray with ginger wine. Time can never relax like this again, She in her phaeton looking for folk-lore, He writing sermons in the library Till lunch, then fishing all the afternoon. On a wet winter evening in Ireland I let go her hand, and we buried her In the family earth beside her husband Only to think of her, now warms my mind. -- Richard Murphy