Yes, www.familysearch.org is a site run by LDS/Mormon/Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is most definitely a valid comment that some of the research there is quite INcorrect. LOL/Laugh On Line...if you were some of us LDS who did the first submissions which now appear on the computer site you would have been in total shock and disbelief that the information submitted then (30+ years ago) would be available to the whole world and the basis of a research source! Personal computers were just a dream in someone's mind then but, not even thought of by most if not all of the submitters. The Church asked the members to submit 4 generation sheets, as accurate as they knew then...people being human meant that some did excellent jobs of it and others just did what they "remembered" without checking anything. So be it...but, sometimes, even the incorrect ones could possibly provide a new town name or new middle name or unknown spousal name for the serious researchers now. What this has developed into was not even conceived of by the regular member. Please, remember that it often took months and months to even receive a letter back from a potential source of a record, (if one were received at all!). There were no computers (no "Groups.coms", GenForum.com, Rootsweb.com or anything!), travel was not a easy as now (no Turnpikes, etc.,-where I was anyhow) and many many things which help one now to accomplish finding their ancestors. Be grateful for whatever is on FamilySearch.org for it may provide that elusive clue to someone in 15 minutes of checking online whereas, it may have taken the submitter years to discover that helpful tidbit, albeit that the rest of that submitters's information could be most incorrect now. All researchers now have the availability to verify with potentially many valid sources and all should verify with original records as the primary source..."hearsay" is the last source to consider valid, however, it may validate the actual source records' information as being "your" family. The very least possible, is that it will help you to be grateful for the wonderful documented work which you have been able to do and prove in this wonderous day and age. Congratulations upon being "good documenting" researchers...that is to be commended...you are doing it correctly!! My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple Work to be done. Your ancestors have helped you to find many of them, help them by letting them have what they are desiring while they are Spirits without bodies, that their physical Work may be done as they did not have a chance in their lifetime to do it. Death does change people sometimes. Pray, ask God if allowing the Work to be done is correct, He will direct you aright...He knows what is His will :) STANTON/STAUNTON RUDDY/RODDY WIGGINS and GRASS out of Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY and other areas *Shelby County" and Indiana and PA; originating from County Mayo, Ireland; WIGGINS "West Kirchen" (or something similiar) in Germany; and, GRASS from Indiana. M.M. VONVILLE

I have read with great interest the comments you folks have made about the LDS records. Mostly you have made excuses for the errors and you threw in a couple of valid reasons for the errors. I won't get into the reasons for the errors that subject is too controversial. I have read "the book of Mormon" so I know also WHY they collect the records in the first place. The subject we ought to try and convince LDS of is that when we as good researchers find the TRUTH and document it adequately and send it to them that they won't make corrections. They tell us the original submitter must make the change. When we contact the original submitter he refuses to change, probably won't even answer your letter because it is too emarassing for him to admit that he went overboard in assumptions b4 he submitted the original data. That is what is so important to EVERYBODY concerned i.e. make corrections, do not allow the errors to stand when we know they are wrong. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genealogy/vonville/Cavy pigs/Ahnenvorschung" <vonville@mstar2.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > Yes, www.familysearch.org is a site run by LDS/Mormon/Church of Jesus > Christ > of Latter-day Saints. It is most definitely a valid comment that some of > the research there is quite INcorrect. LOL/Laugh On Line...if you were > some > of us LDS who did the first submissions which now appear on the computer > site you would have been in total shock and disbelief that the information > submitted then (30+ years ago) would be available to the whole world and > the > basis of a research source! Personal computers were just a dream in > someone's mind then but, not even thought of by most if not all of the > submitters. The Church asked the members to submit 4 generation sheets, > as > accurate as they knew then...people being human meant that some did > excellent jobs of it and others just did what they "remembered" without > checking anything. So be it...but, sometimes, even the incorrect ones > could > possibly provide a new town name or new middle name or unknown spousal > name > for the serious researchers now. What this has developed into was not > even > conceived of by the regular member. Please, remember that it often took > months and months to even receive a letter back from a potential source of > a > record, (if one were received at all!). There were no computers (no > "Groups.coms", GenForum.com, Rootsweb.com or anything!), travel was not a > easy as now (no Turnpikes, etc.,-where I was anyhow) and many many things > which help one now to accomplish finding their ancestors. > > Be grateful for whatever is on FamilySearch.org for it may provide that > elusive clue to someone in 15 minutes of checking online whereas, it may > have taken the submitter years to discover that helpful tidbit, albeit > that > the rest of that submitters's information could be most incorrect now. > All > researchers now have the availability to verify with potentially many > valid > sources and all should verify with original records as the primary > source..."hearsay" is the last source to consider valid, however, it may > validate the actual source records' information as being "your" family. > The > very least possible, is that it will help you to be grateful for the > wonderful documented work which you have been able to do and prove in this > wonderous day and age. Congratulations upon being "good documenting" > researchers...that is to be commended...you are doing it correctly!! > > My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple Work > to be done. Your ancestors have helped you to find many of them, help > them > by letting them have what they are desiring while they are Spirits without > bodies, that their physical Work may be done as they did not have a chance > in their lifetime to do it. Death does change people sometimes. Pray, > ask > God if allowing the Work to be done is correct, He will direct you > aright...He knows what is His will :) STANTON/STAUNTON RUDDY/RODDY WIGGINS > and GRASS > out of Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY and other areas *Shelby County" and > Indiana and PA; originating from County Mayo, Ireland; WIGGINS "West > Kirchen" (or > something similiar) in Germany; and, GRASS from Indiana. > > M.M. VONVILLE > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

I have evry sympathy with LDS which I have found useful for several years. Only a fool expects perfection in genealogy (or most else). Help rather than carping must surely be more useful. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genealogy/vonville/Cavy pigs/Ahnenvorschung" <vonville@mstar2.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > Yes, www.familysearch.org is a site run by LDS/Mormon/Church of Jesus Christ > of Latter-day Saints. It is most definitely a valid comment that some of > the research there is quite INcorrect. LOL/Laugh On Line...if you were some > of us LDS who did the first submissions which now appear on the computer > site you would have been in total shock and disbelief that the information > submitted then (30+ years ago) would be available to the whole world and the > basis of a research source! Personal computers were just a dream in > someone's mind then but, not even thought of by most if not all of the > submitters. The Church asked the members to submit 4 generation sheets, as > accurate as they knew then...people being human meant that some did > excellent jobs of it and others just did what they "remembered" without > checking anything. So be it...but, sometimes, even the incorrect ones could > possibly provide a new town name or new middle name or unknown spousal name > for the serious researchers now. What this has developed into was not even > conceived of by the regular member. Please, remember that it often took > months and months to even receive a letter back from a potential source of a > record, (if one were received at all!). There were no computers (no > "Groups.coms", GenForum.com, Rootsweb.com or anything!), travel was not a > easy as now (no Turnpikes, etc.,-where I was anyhow) and many many things > which help one now to accomplish finding their ancestors. > > Be grateful for whatever is on FamilySearch.org for it may provide that > elusive clue to someone in 15 minutes of checking online whereas, it may > have taken the submitter years to discover that helpful tidbit, albeit that > the rest of that submitters's information could be most incorrect now. All > researchers now have the availability to verify with potentially many valid > sources and all should verify with original records as the primary > source..."hearsay" is the last source to consider valid, however, it may > validate the actual source records' information as being "your" family. The > very least possible, is that it will help you to be grateful for the > wonderful documented work which you have been able to do and prove in this > wonderous day and age. Congratulations upon being "good documenting" > researchers...that is to be commended...you are doing it correctly!! > > My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple Work > to be done. Your ancestors have helped you to find many of them, help them > by letting them have what they are desiring while they are Spirits without > bodies, that their physical Work may be done as they did not have a chance > in their lifetime to do it. Death does change people sometimes. Pray, ask > God if allowing the Work to be done is correct, He will direct you > aright...He knows what is His will :) STANTON/STAUNTON RUDDY/RODDY WIGGINS > and GRASS > out of Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY and other areas *Shelby County" and > Indiana and PA; originating from County Mayo, Ireland; WIGGINS "West > Kirchen" (or > something similiar) in Germany; and, GRASS from Indiana. > > M.M. VONVILLE > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Sir or Madame Whist I have nothing against the mormons, and please note that before Reading on, I do find your off beat remarks regarding the placement of wrong details on their searchable web site as cause for grief, not all those details were posted 30 years ago, they are still being posted quite incorrectly, by those people deeming them correct today -so here we are in 2005, still seeing wrong data posted to the site. Why then is it so hard for the LDS site to simply check what people when they notice it to be incorrect, to simply correct it ( where proper certificates can be produced of course) And how are you so sure that the church asked them to submit the data ? You even say the inccorect ones may lead to you another piece of the puzzle, if they are incorrect then that is what it is incorrect and misleading. And while I am always greatful for any snippet that may lead my search to further progress, when I find that my very own grandfather has been sealed by some loose moron to the wrong parents, and given an extra middle name, it gets my green eyes firing and my red hair shines with electricity, and more so as it took me many mails and much hurt to have it all removed by the LDS site, and further more it caused great grief to his only daughter my mother who was devout in her own religion, and was doubly sure her own father was not a Morman. I always advocate that people doing research put away their *family stories* until such times that they have found the necessary documents, but what is a family research without the hidden little stories, and so I tell them to add them in later. I am of the awareness that LDS is collecting all details that they can and sealing people to their parents, but has it occured to you that not everyone is of the Mormon faith, and this is realy a very sad thing when they do this as I have explained above. So people before you willingly give your work away to the people who offer to do these strange things like *Submit * to the LDS site, think long and hard on what they want with your details. You said > My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple Work > to be done. this is your belief and you are entitled to it, and I do respect that, dont think I dont, but before anyone goes off willy nilly beleiving that giving your dearly departed people over to the LDS is going to create a better site, forget it, like everything else in this world even their site is becoming a commercial minded venture. Yours in Gene Cara