How does one get in touch with the original submitter? I have just found an ancestor on the LDS site and can't trace them unless I download a GEDCOM file, which I don't have yet. with best wishes Penelope Carter -----Original Message----- From: CCMILLER [mailto:bonedigger@highstream.net] Sent: 30 September 2005 12:54 To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records I have read with great interest the comments you folks have made about the LDS records. Mostly you have made excuses for the errors and you threw in a couple of valid reasons for the errors. I won't get into the reasons for the errors that subject is too controversial. I have read "the book of Mormon" so I know also WHY they collect the records in the first place. The subject we ought to try and convince LDS of is that when we as good researchers find the TRUTH and document it adequately and send it to them that they won't make corrections. They tell us the original submitter must make the change. When we contact the original submitter he refuses to change, probably won't even answer your letter because it is too emarassing for him to admit that he went overboard in assumptions b4 he submitted the original data. That is what is so important to EVERYBODY concerned i.e. make corrections, do not allow the errors to stand when we know they are wrong. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genealogy/vonville/Cavy pigs/Ahnenvorschung" <vonville@mstar2.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > Yes, www.familysearch.org is a site run by LDS/Mormon/Church of Jesus > Christ > of Latter-day Saints. It is most definitely a valid comment that some of > the research there is quite INcorrect. LOL/Laugh On Line...if you were > some > of us LDS who did the first submissions which now appear on the computer > site you would have been in total shock and disbelief that the information > submitted then (30+ years ago) would be available to the whole world and > the > basis of a research source! Personal computers were just a dream in > someone's mind then but, not even thought of by most if not all of the > submitters. The Church asked the members to submit 4 generation sheets, > as > accurate as they knew then...people being human meant that some did > excellent jobs of it and others just did what they "remembered" without > checking anything. So be it...but, sometimes, even the incorrect ones > could > possibly provide a new town name or new middle name or unknown spousal > name > for the serious researchers now. What this has developed into was not > even > conceived of by the regular member. Please, remember that it often took > months and months to even receive a letter back from a potential source of > a > record, (if one were received at all!). There were no computers (no > "Groups.coms", GenForum.com, Rootsweb.com or anything!), travel was not a > easy as now (no Turnpikes, etc.,-where I was anyhow) and many many things > which help one now to accomplish finding their ancestors. > > Be grateful for whatever is on FamilySearch.org for it may provide that > elusive clue to someone in 15 minutes of checking online whereas, it may > have taken the submitter years to discover that helpful tidbit, albeit > that > the rest of that submitters's information could be most incorrect now. > All > researchers now have the availability to verify with potentially many > valid > sources and all should verify with original records as the primary > source..."hearsay" is the last source to consider valid, however, it may > validate the actual source records' information as being "your" family. > The > very least possible, is that it will help you to be grateful for the > wonderful documented work which you have been able to do and prove in this > wonderous day and age. Congratulations upon being "good documenting" > researchers...that is to be commended...you are doing it correctly!! > > My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple Work > to be done. Your ancestors have helped you to find many of them, help > them > by letting them have what they are desiring while they are Spirits without > bodies, that their physical Work may be done as they did not have a chance > in their lifetime to do it. Death does change people sometimes. Pray, > ask > God if allowing the Work to be done is correct, He will direct you > aright...He knows what is His will :) STANTON/STAUNTON RUDDY/RODDY WIGGINS > and GRASS > out of Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY and other areas *Shelby County" and > Indiana and PA; originating from County Mayo, Ireland; WIGGINS "West > Kirchen" (or > something similiar) in Germany; and, GRASS from Indiana. > > M.M. 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Go to the site and search for your ancestor when he/she comes up click on the "ancestral file". When that screen comes up scroll down to submitters; even tho the submitters line may be blank do not believe it; instead click on the "details" on the right end of submitter line and it will bring up names and addresses of the submitters. My ancestor had no submitters listed yet when I click on details I got 2 pages of submitters; maybe 12 in all. Good luck in getting replies tho. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penelope Carter" <pcarter@nationalgalleries.org> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: FW: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > How does one get in touch with the original submitter? I have just > found an ancestor on the LDS site and can't trace them unless I download > a GEDCOM file, which I don't have yet. > > with best wishes > > Penelope Carter > -----Original Message----- > From: CCMILLER [mailto:bonedigger@highstream.net] > Sent: 30 September 2005 12:54 > To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > > I have read with great interest the comments you folks have made about > the > LDS records. Mostly you have made excuses for the errors and you threw > in a > couple of valid reasons for the errors. I won't get into the reasons for > the > errors that subject is too controversial. I have read "the book of > Mormon" > so I know also WHY they collect the records in the first place. > The subject we ought to try and convince LDS of is that when we as good > researchers find the TRUTH and document it adequately and send it to > them > that they won't make corrections. They tell us the original submitter > must > make the change. When we contact the original submitter he refuses to > change, probably won't even answer your letter because it is too > emarassing > for him to admit that he went overboard in assumptions b4 he submitted > the > original data. > That is what is so important to EVERYBODY concerned i.e. make > corrections, > do not allow the errors to stand when we know they are wrong. > Charles > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genealogy/vonville/Cavy pigs/Ahnenvorschung" > <vonville@mstar2.net> > To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:38 PM > Subject: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > > >> Yes, www.familysearch.org is a site run by LDS/Mormon/Church of Jesus >> Christ >> of Latter-day Saints. It is most definitely a valid comment that some > of >> the research there is quite INcorrect. LOL/Laugh On Line...if you > were >> some >> of us LDS who did the first submissions which now appear on the > computer >> site you would have been in total shock and disbelief that the > information >> submitted then (30+ years ago) would be available to the whole world > and >> the >> basis of a research source! Personal computers were just a dream in >> someone's mind then but, not even thought of by most if not all of the >> submitters. The Church asked the members to submit 4 generation > sheets, >> as >> accurate as they knew then...people being human meant that some did >> excellent jobs of it and others just did what they "remembered" > without >> checking anything. So be it...but, sometimes, even the incorrect ones > >> could >> possibly provide a new town name or new middle name or unknown spousal > >> name >> for the serious researchers now. What this has developed into was not > >> even >> conceived of by the regular member. Please, remember that it often > took >> months and months to even receive a letter back from a potential > source of >> a >> record, (if one were received at all!). There were no computers (no >> "Groups.coms", GenForum.com, Rootsweb.com or anything!), travel was > not a >> easy as now (no Turnpikes, etc.,-where I was anyhow) and many many > things >> which help one now to accomplish finding their ancestors. >> >> Be grateful for whatever is on FamilySearch.org for it may provide > that >> elusive clue to someone in 15 minutes of checking online whereas, it > may >> have taken the submitter years to discover that helpful tidbit, albeit > >> that >> the rest of that submitters's information could be most incorrect now. > >> All >> researchers now have the availability to verify with potentially many >> valid >> sources and all should verify with original records as the primary >> source..."hearsay" is the last source to consider valid, however, it > may >> validate the actual source records' information as being "your" > family. >> The >> very least possible, is that it will help you to be grateful for the >> wonderful documented work which you have been able to do and prove in > this >> wonderous day and age. Congratulations upon being "good documenting" >> researchers...that is to be commended...you are doing it correctly!! >> >> My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple > Work >> to be done. Your ancestors have helped you to find many of them, help > >> them >> by letting them have what they are desiring while they are Spirits > without >> bodies, that their physical Work may be done as they did not have a > chance >> in their lifetime to do it. Death does change people sometimes. > Pray, >> ask >> God if allowing the Work to be done is correct, He will direct you >> aright...He knows what is His will :) STANTON/STAUNTON RUDDY/RODDY > WIGGINS >> and GRASS >> out of Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY and other areas *Shelby County" > and >> Indiana and PA; originating from County Mayo, Ireland; WIGGINS "West >> Kirchen" (or >> something similiar) in Germany; and, GRASS from Indiana. >> >> M.M. 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