Just so all know, there is a research site at MY FAMILY.COM for Ireland, Scottland and Wales... Emma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Baral" <jacquiebaral@verizon.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 1:48 AM Subject: [Irish-Roots] a few FREE databases.... > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/recent.aspx > 1880 United States Federal Census - Free - Updated > 1901 England Census - Free - Updated 1901 Wales Census - Free - Updated > 1901 Channel Islands Census - Free - Updated 1901 Isle of Man Census - > Free - Updated > > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/intl_dblist.asp -- list will have > to be hunted through to see if there's any more free ones. > > Jacquie > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Ladies and Gentlemen: Please discontinue the arguing and "preaching" about the LDS motives in collecting the geneaology records. Whatever their motives, we've all benefited. And whatever the Mormon church decides to do to "seal" our ancestors isn't going to change what they were/are -Use their site or not as you chose, update it if you can, but that discussion has run its course. Please cease and desist. Discuss your family history, your search techniques, your family legends, your Irish Roots. But the discussion of the motives or practices of LDS has gone far enough. Religion has caused enough wars without one here. Knock it off.. Your list moderator - Who will be forced to send you to bed without any more ancestors if you don't all play nice. Beth Cherkowsky researching Bradley in Co. Donegal, Donahue/Donohue, Boylan, McHugh, Manning/Mannion & Forrester in Co. Mayo, Fountas in Greece, Cerkauskas in Lithuanian,

http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/recent.aspx 1880 United States Federal Census - Free - Updated 1901 England Census - Free - Updated 1901 Wales Census - Free - Updated 1901 Channel Islands Census - Free - Updated 1901 Isle of Man Census - Free - Updated http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/intl_dblist.asp -- list will have to be hunted through to see if there's any more free ones. Jacquie

In reading Cara's e-mail it seems like she DOES have something against the LDS website. I see nothing wrong with adding to the information there. The more we help each other, the better. It is one of the few free websites with no strings attached. I have accepted that they take whatever information they're given, and post it, that they were not responsible for correcting it. I don't know much about the Mormon religion, but I am grateful that they do this type of thing and that it's open to the public. I also strongly disagree about people keeping family stories to themselves until there is documentation, if I read the message right. I think you should get as much information from family as you can, write it down and regard it as clues to be sorted out later if needed. I had very little to go on with my mother's family, and had to use stories I heard to start searching, even though they turned out to be a hodge-podge of mixed information. I wish my Aunts were here now to know what the truth turned out to be, so far (maybe they do know now), but the stories they supplied had valuable clues and I'm glad I wrote them down and that I asked for them. Everyone has to have a starting point, whether it turns out to be documented truth or not. I think proving authenticity is only part of the search, and it should be regarded as mystery-solving, no stone unturned to resolve things. I am not a Mormon, but I find the LDS website one of my invaluable tools. If you simply keep in mind that they do not verify the information posted and take whatever they're given, you can still gain valuable information there. That's my view...Linda Haviland

How does one get in touch with the original submitter? I have just found an ancestor on the LDS site and can't trace them unless I download a GEDCOM file, which I don't have yet. with best wishes Penelope Carter -----Original Message----- From: CCMILLER [mailto:bonedigger@highstream.net] Sent: 30 September 2005 12:54 To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records I have read with great interest the comments you folks have made about the LDS records. Mostly you have made excuses for the errors and you threw in a couple of valid reasons for the errors. I won't get into the reasons for the errors that subject is too controversial. I have read "the book of Mormon" so I know also WHY they collect the records in the first place. The subject we ought to try and convince LDS of is that when we as good researchers find the TRUTH and document it adequately and send it to them that they won't make corrections. They tell us the original submitter must make the change. When we contact the original submitter he refuses to change, probably won't even answer your letter because it is too emarassing for him to admit that he went overboard in assumptions b4 he submitted the original data. That is what is so important to EVERYBODY concerned i.e. make corrections, do not allow the errors to stand when we know they are wrong. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genealogy/vonville/Cavy pigs/Ahnenvorschung" <vonville@mstar2.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > Yes, www.familysearch.org is a site run by LDS/Mormon/Church of Jesus > Christ > of Latter-day Saints. It is most definitely a valid comment that some of > the research there is quite INcorrect. LOL/Laugh On Line...if you were > some > of us LDS who did the first submissions which now appear on the computer > site you would have been in total shock and disbelief that the information > submitted then (30+ years ago) would be available to the whole world and > the > basis of a research source! Personal computers were just a dream in > someone's mind then but, not even thought of by most if not all of the > submitters. The Church asked the members to submit 4 generation sheets, > as > accurate as they knew then...people being human meant that some did > excellent jobs of it and others just did what they "remembered" without > checking anything. So be it...but, sometimes, even the incorrect ones > could > possibly provide a new town name or new middle name or unknown spousal > name > for the serious researchers now. What this has developed into was not > even > conceived of by the regular member. Please, remember that it often took > months and months to even receive a letter back from a potential source of > a > record, (if one were received at all!). There were no computers (no > "Groups.coms", GenForum.com, Rootsweb.com or anything!), travel was not a > easy as now (no Turnpikes, etc.,-where I was anyhow) and many many things > which help one now to accomplish finding their ancestors. > > Be grateful for whatever is on FamilySearch.org for it may provide that > elusive clue to someone in 15 minutes of checking online whereas, it may > have taken the submitter years to discover that helpful tidbit, albeit > that > the rest of that submitters's information could be most incorrect now. > All > researchers now have the availability to verify with potentially many > valid > sources and all should verify with original records as the primary > source..."hearsay" is the last source to consider valid, however, it may > validate the actual source records' information as being "your" family. > The > very least possible, is that it will help you to be grateful for the > wonderful documented work which you have been able to do and prove in this > wonderous day and age. Congratulations upon being "good documenting" > researchers...that is to be commended...you are doing it correctly!! > > My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple Work > to be done. Your ancestors have helped you to find many of them, help > them > by letting them have what they are desiring while they are Spirits without > bodies, that their physical Work may be done as they did not have a chance > in their lifetime to do it. Death does change people sometimes. Pray, > ask > God if allowing the Work to be done is correct, He will direct you > aright...He knows what is His will :) STANTON/STAUNTON RUDDY/RODDY WIGGINS > and GRASS > out of Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY and other areas *Shelby County" and > Indiana and PA; originating from County Mayo, Ireland; WIGGINS "West > Kirchen" (or > something similiar) in Germany; and, GRASS from Indiana. > > M.M. VONVILLE > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I couldn't agree with you more. And trying to get the LDS to make changes on their website it like pulling teeth...even though you have the documents to prove it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] LDS STATEMENT > Sir or Madame > > Whist I have nothing against the mormons, and please note that before > Reading on, I do find your off beat remarks regarding the placement of > wrong details on their searchable web site as cause for grief, not all > those details were posted 30 years ago, they are still being posted quite > incorrectly, by those people deeming them correct today -so here we are in > 2005, still seeing wrong data posted to the site. > > Why then is it so hard for the LDS site to simply check what people when > they notice it to be incorrect, to simply correct it ( where proper > certificates can be produced of course) > And how are you so sure that the church asked them to submit the data ? > > You even say the inccorect ones may lead to you another piece of the > puzzle, if they are incorrect then that is what it is incorrect and > misleading. > > And while I am always greatful for any snippet that may lead my search to > further progress, when I find that my very own grandfather has been sealed > by some loose moron to the wrong parents, and given an extra middle name, > it gets my green eyes firing and my red hair shines with electricity, and > more so as it took me many mails and much hurt to have it all removed by > the LDS site, and further more it caused great grief to his only daughter > my mother who was devout in her own religion, and was doubly sure her own > father was not a Morman. > > > I always advocate that people doing research put away their *family > stories* until such times that they have found the necessary documents, > but what is a family research without the hidden little stories, and so I > tell them to add them in later. > > I am of the awareness that LDS is collecting all details that they can and > sealing people to their parents, but has it occured to you that not > everyone is of the Mormon faith, and this is realy a very sad thing when > they do this as I have explained above. > > So people before you willingly give your work away to the people who offer > to do these strange things like *Submit * to the LDS site, think long and > hard on what they want with your details. > > You said >> My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple >> Work >> to be done. > > this is your belief and you are entitled to it, and I do respect that, > dont think I dont, but before anyone goes off willy nilly beleiving that > giving your dearly departed people over to the LDS is going to create a > better site, forget it, like everything else in this world even their site > is becoming a commercial minded venture. > > Yours in Gene > Cara > > > > > > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Bill, If she was born in 1808 and was Catholic, then she was, more than likely, uneducated. Catholics by law at that time were not allowed to be educated, although a rare few were. But since this is a female also, I doubt she was. I am glad I could be of assistance, although finding the proof for names during that time period is very, very difficult! Good luck! Marsha ----- Original Message ----- From: <billmellsworth@comcast.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] surname confusion > Marsha: > The woman was born about 1808 in Ireland. I suspect she may > have been Catholic. Her granddaughter was married in a Catholic church and > baptised her sons. > > thanks, > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marsha Sears" <msears01@mchsi.com> > To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] surname confusion > > >> Bill, >> >> Your surname could be Darby. Depending on the year and the religion of >> the person, it is very possible they were not able to spell their names. >> For that reason, many of the people who recorded the names wrote them >> down as they sounded. >> >> Also, the practice of Anglocizing names was also predominant. For >> example, the name Sabri O Gallchobhair could also appear as Sarah >> Gallagher, Golliher, Goligher, Golligher, Galliho, etc. >> >> For that reason, always take into account the derivates of Irish names, >> their religion and the history of Ireland for the time of the ancestor >> you are considering. My gr-gr-gr grandfather has appeared as Charles >> McCoun, Terindie McCain, Terrens McCune and Terry McCune because it was >> the early 1800s and he was Catholic. Catholics were, by law, not able to >> become educated at the time. >> >> Good luck and I hope this helps! >> >> Marsha >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <billmellsworth@comcast.net> >> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:31 PM >> Subject: [Irish-Roots] surname confusion >> >> >>> I'm new to the list. I'm trying to read an Irish surname on a NYC >>> marriage record and can't quite make it out. I was hoping I might get >>> some suggestions from the list. >>> >>> It looks like Dowbey or Dourbey or Douebey. Could any of these be >>> an Irish surname? >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >>> Plant your Irish roots here! >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Plant your Irish roots here! >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Sir or Madame Whist I have nothing against the mormons, and please note that before Reading on, I do find your off beat remarks regarding the placement of wrong details on their searchable web site as cause for grief, not all those details were posted 30 years ago, they are still being posted quite incorrectly, by those people deeming them correct today -so here we are in 2005, still seeing wrong data posted to the site. Why then is it so hard for the LDS site to simply check what people when they notice it to be incorrect, to simply correct it ( where proper certificates can be produced of course) And how are you so sure that the church asked them to submit the data ? You even say the inccorect ones may lead to you another piece of the puzzle, if they are incorrect then that is what it is incorrect and misleading. And while I am always greatful for any snippet that may lead my search to further progress, when I find that my very own grandfather has been sealed by some loose moron to the wrong parents, and given an extra middle name, it gets my green eyes firing and my red hair shines with electricity, and more so as it took me many mails and much hurt to have it all removed by the LDS site, and further more it caused great grief to his only daughter my mother who was devout in her own religion, and was doubly sure her own father was not a Morman. I always advocate that people doing research put away their *family stories* until such times that they have found the necessary documents, but what is a family research without the hidden little stories, and so I tell them to add them in later. I am of the awareness that LDS is collecting all details that they can and sealing people to their parents, but has it occured to you that not everyone is of the Mormon faith, and this is realy a very sad thing when they do this as I have explained above. So people before you willingly give your work away to the people who offer to do these strange things like *Submit * to the LDS site, think long and hard on what they want with your details. You said > My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple Work > to be done. this is your belief and you are entitled to it, and I do respect that, dont think I dont, but before anyone goes off willy nilly beleiving that giving your dearly departed people over to the LDS is going to create a better site, forget it, like everything else in this world even their site is becoming a commercial minded venture. Yours in Gene Cara

I have evry sympathy with LDS which I have found useful for several years. Only a fool expects perfection in genealogy (or most else). Help rather than carping must surely be more useful. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genealogy/vonville/Cavy pigs/Ahnenvorschung" <vonville@mstar2.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > Yes, www.familysearch.org is a site run by LDS/Mormon/Church of Jesus Christ > of Latter-day Saints. It is most definitely a valid comment that some of > the research there is quite INcorrect. LOL/Laugh On Line...if you were some > of us LDS who did the first submissions which now appear on the computer > site you would have been in total shock and disbelief that the information > submitted then (30+ years ago) would be available to the whole world and the > basis of a research source! Personal computers were just a dream in > someone's mind then but, not even thought of by most if not all of the > submitters. The Church asked the members to submit 4 generation sheets, as > accurate as they knew then...people being human meant that some did > excellent jobs of it and others just did what they "remembered" without > checking anything. So be it...but, sometimes, even the incorrect ones could > possibly provide a new town name or new middle name or unknown spousal name > for the serious researchers now. What this has developed into was not even > conceived of by the regular member. Please, remember that it often took > months and months to even receive a letter back from a potential source of a > record, (if one were received at all!). There were no computers (no > "Groups.coms", GenForum.com, Rootsweb.com or anything!), travel was not a > easy as now (no Turnpikes, etc.,-where I was anyhow) and many many things > which help one now to accomplish finding their ancestors. > > Be grateful for whatever is on FamilySearch.org for it may provide that > elusive clue to someone in 15 minutes of checking online whereas, it may > have taken the submitter years to discover that helpful tidbit, albeit that > the rest of that submitters's information could be most incorrect now. All > researchers now have the availability to verify with potentially many valid > sources and all should verify with original records as the primary > source..."hearsay" is the last source to consider valid, however, it may > validate the actual source records' information as being "your" family. The > very least possible, is that it will help you to be grateful for the > wonderful documented work which you have been able to do and prove in this > wonderous day and age. Congratulations upon being "good documenting" > researchers...that is to be commended...you are doing it correctly!! > > My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple Work > to be done. Your ancestors have helped you to find many of them, help them > by letting them have what they are desiring while they are Spirits without > bodies, that their physical Work may be done as they did not have a chance > in their lifetime to do it. Death does change people sometimes. Pray, ask > God if allowing the Work to be done is correct, He will direct you > aright...He knows what is His will :) STANTON/STAUNTON RUDDY/RODDY WIGGINS > and GRASS > out of Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY and other areas *Shelby County" and > Indiana and PA; originating from County Mayo, Ireland; WIGGINS "West > Kirchen" (or > something similiar) in Germany; and, GRASS from Indiana. > > M.M. VONVILLE > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Go to the site and search for your ancestor when he/she comes up click on the "ancestral file". When that screen comes up scroll down to submitters; even tho the submitters line may be blank do not believe it; instead click on the "details" on the right end of submitter line and it will bring up names and addresses of the submitters. My ancestor had no submitters listed yet when I click on details I got 2 pages of submitters; maybe 12 in all. Good luck in getting replies tho. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penelope Carter" <pcarter@nationalgalleries.org> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: FW: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > How does one get in touch with the original submitter? I have just > found an ancestor on the LDS site and can't trace them unless I download > a GEDCOM file, which I don't have yet. > > with best wishes > > Penelope Carter > -----Original Message----- > From: CCMILLER [mailto:bonedigger@highstream.net] > Sent: 30 September 2005 12:54 > To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > > I have read with great interest the comments you folks have made about > the > LDS records. Mostly you have made excuses for the errors and you threw > in a > couple of valid reasons for the errors. I won't get into the reasons for > the > errors that subject is too controversial. I have read "the book of > Mormon" > so I know also WHY they collect the records in the first place. > The subject we ought to try and convince LDS of is that when we as good > researchers find the TRUTH and document it adequately and send it to > them > that they won't make corrections. They tell us the original submitter > must > make the change. When we contact the original submitter he refuses to > change, probably won't even answer your letter because it is too > emarassing > for him to admit that he went overboard in assumptions b4 he submitted > the > original data. > That is what is so important to EVERYBODY concerned i.e. make > corrections, > do not allow the errors to stand when we know they are wrong. > Charles > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genealogy/vonville/Cavy pigs/Ahnenvorschung" > <vonville@mstar2.net> > To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:38 PM > Subject: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > > >> Yes, www.familysearch.org is a site run by LDS/Mormon/Church of Jesus >> Christ >> of Latter-day Saints. It is most definitely a valid comment that some > of >> the research there is quite INcorrect. LOL/Laugh On Line...if you > were >> some >> of us LDS who did the first submissions which now appear on the > computer >> site you would have been in total shock and disbelief that the > information >> submitted then (30+ years ago) would be available to the whole world > and >> the >> basis of a research source! Personal computers were just a dream in >> someone's mind then but, not even thought of by most if not all of the >> submitters. The Church asked the members to submit 4 generation > sheets, >> as >> accurate as they knew then...people being human meant that some did >> excellent jobs of it and others just did what they "remembered" > without >> checking anything. So be it...but, sometimes, even the incorrect ones > >> could >> possibly provide a new town name or new middle name or unknown spousal > >> name >> for the serious researchers now. What this has developed into was not > >> even >> conceived of by the regular member. Please, remember that it often > took >> months and months to even receive a letter back from a potential > source of >> a >> record, (if one were received at all!). There were no computers (no >> "Groups.coms", GenForum.com, Rootsweb.com or anything!), travel was > not a >> easy as now (no Turnpikes, etc.,-where I was anyhow) and many many > things >> which help one now to accomplish finding their ancestors. >> >> Be grateful for whatever is on FamilySearch.org for it may provide > that >> elusive clue to someone in 15 minutes of checking online whereas, it > may >> have taken the submitter years to discover that helpful tidbit, albeit > >> that >> the rest of that submitters's information could be most incorrect now. > >> All >> researchers now have the availability to verify with potentially many >> valid >> sources and all should verify with original records as the primary >> source..."hearsay" is the last source to consider valid, however, it > may >> validate the actual source records' information as being "your" > family. >> The >> very least possible, is that it will help you to be grateful for the >> wonderful documented work which you have been able to do and prove in > this >> wonderous day and age. Congratulations upon being "good documenting" >> researchers...that is to be commended...you are doing it correctly!! >> >> My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple > Work >> to be done. Your ancestors have helped you to find many of them, help > >> them >> by letting them have what they are desiring while they are Spirits > without >> bodies, that their physical Work may be done as they did not have a > chance >> in their lifetime to do it. Death does change people sometimes. > Pray, >> ask >> God if allowing the Work to be done is correct, He will direct you >> aright...He knows what is His will :) STANTON/STAUNTON RUDDY/RODDY > WIGGINS >> and GRASS >> out of Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY and other areas *Shelby County" > and >> Indiana and PA; originating from County Mayo, Ireland; WIGGINS "West >> Kirchen" (or >> something similiar) in Germany; and, GRASS from Indiana. >> >> M.M. VONVILLE >> >> >> ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Plant your Irish roots here! >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

I have read with great interest the comments you folks have made about the LDS records. Mostly you have made excuses for the errors and you threw in a couple of valid reasons for the errors. I won't get into the reasons for the errors that subject is too controversial. I have read "the book of Mormon" so I know also WHY they collect the records in the first place. The subject we ought to try and convince LDS of is that when we as good researchers find the TRUTH and document it adequately and send it to them that they won't make corrections. They tell us the original submitter must make the change. When we contact the original submitter he refuses to change, probably won't even answer your letter because it is too emarassing for him to admit that he went overboard in assumptions b4 he submitted the original data. That is what is so important to EVERYBODY concerned i.e. make corrections, do not allow the errors to stand when we know they are wrong. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genealogy/vonville/Cavy pigs/Ahnenvorschung" <vonville@mstar2.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] Reason for LDS records > Yes, www.familysearch.org is a site run by LDS/Mormon/Church of Jesus > Christ > of Latter-day Saints. It is most definitely a valid comment that some of > the research there is quite INcorrect. LOL/Laugh On Line...if you were > some > of us LDS who did the first submissions which now appear on the computer > site you would have been in total shock and disbelief that the information > submitted then (30+ years ago) would be available to the whole world and > the > basis of a research source! Personal computers were just a dream in > someone's mind then but, not even thought of by most if not all of the > submitters. The Church asked the members to submit 4 generation sheets, > as > accurate as they knew then...people being human meant that some did > excellent jobs of it and others just did what they "remembered" without > checking anything. So be it...but, sometimes, even the incorrect ones > could > possibly provide a new town name or new middle name or unknown spousal > name > for the serious researchers now. What this has developed into was not > even > conceived of by the regular member. Please, remember that it often took > months and months to even receive a letter back from a potential source of > a > record, (if one were received at all!). There were no computers (no > "Groups.coms", GenForum.com, Rootsweb.com or anything!), travel was not a > easy as now (no Turnpikes, etc.,-where I was anyhow) and many many things > which help one now to accomplish finding their ancestors. > > Be grateful for whatever is on FamilySearch.org for it may provide that > elusive clue to someone in 15 minutes of checking online whereas, it may > have taken the submitter years to discover that helpful tidbit, albeit > that > the rest of that submitters's information could be most incorrect now. > All > researchers now have the availability to verify with potentially many > valid > sources and all should verify with original records as the primary > source..."hearsay" is the last source to consider valid, however, it may > validate the actual source records' information as being "your" family. > The > very least possible, is that it will help you to be grateful for the > wonderful documented work which you have been able to do and prove in this > wonderous day and age. Congratulations upon being "good documenting" > researchers...that is to be commended...you are doing it correctly!! > > My offer still stands for submitting anyone's research for the Temple Work > to be done. Your ancestors have helped you to find many of them, help > them > by letting them have what they are desiring while they are Spirits without > bodies, that their physical Work may be done as they did not have a chance > in their lifetime to do it. Death does change people sometimes. Pray, > ask > God if allowing the Work to be done is correct, He will direct you > aright...He knows what is His will :) STANTON/STAUNTON RUDDY/RODDY WIGGINS > and GRASS > out of Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY and other areas *Shelby County" and > Indiana and PA; originating from County Mayo, Ireland; WIGGINS "West > Kirchen" (or > something similiar) in Germany; and, GRASS from Indiana. > > M.M. VONVILLE > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Marsha: I entered all possible interpretations of the handwriting that I could think of without results. I believe your reasoning is correct and that the issue is pronounciation and the name is probably Darby. Thank you very much for yor help Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Sears" <msears01@mchsi.com> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:17 AM Subject: [Irish-Roots] Helpful Link >I have found this link to be quite useful: > > http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/index.cfm > > For example, if you enter the surname Gallagher under the surname search, > you will get the following information: > > Gallagher: Very numerous: all provinces but primarily Donegal and > adjoining counties. MacLysaght mentions 23 different spellings of the > anglicised name! The Irish is Ó Gallchobhair, meaning "lover of > foreigners". They were a leading sept of Cineál Conaill and ally of the > O'Donnells. The sermons of Bishop James O'Gallagher (1681-1751) are one of > the treasures of Irish spirituality. The name has been abbreviated to > Gallahue. IF & SGG. > > Goligher: Quite numerous: Ulster generally. Ir. Ó Gallchóir. See > Gallagher. > > O Gallchobhair: fairly rare: Donegal etc. Ir.Lang. See Gallagher. > > *You will also get a coat of arms (if available), a listing of where the > name appeared in Ireland in the year 1850, websites (if available) and > other information! > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Marsha: Thanks again, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Sears" <msears01@mchsi.com> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:17 AM Subject: [Irish-Roots] Helpful Link >I have found this link to be quite useful: > > http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/index.cfm > > For example, if you enter the surname Gallagher under the surname search, > you will get the following information: > > Gallagher: Very numerous: all provinces but primarily Donegal and > adjoining counties. MacLysaght mentions 23 different spellings of the > anglicised name! The Irish is Ó Gallchobhair, meaning "lover of > foreigners". They were a leading sept of Cineál Conaill and ally of the > O'Donnells. The sermons of Bishop James O'Gallagher (1681-1751) are one of > the treasures of Irish spirituality. The name has been abbreviated to > Gallahue. IF & SGG. > > Goligher: Quite numerous: Ulster generally. Ir. Ó Gallchóir. See > Gallagher. > > O Gallchobhair: fairly rare: Donegal etc. Ir.Lang. See Gallagher. > > *You will also get a coat of arms (if available), a listing of where the > name appeared in Ireland in the year 1850, websites (if available) and > other information! > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Marsha: The woman was born about 1808 in Ireland. I suspect she may have been Catholic. Her granddaughter was married in a Catholic church and baptised her sons. thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Sears" <msears01@mchsi.com> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] surname confusion > Bill, > > Your surname could be Darby. Depending on the year and the religion of > the person, it is very possible they were not able to spell their names. > For that reason, many of the people who recorded the names wrote them down > as they sounded. > > Also, the practice of Anglocizing names was also predominant. For > example, the name Sabri O Gallchobhair could also appear as Sarah > Gallagher, Golliher, Goligher, Golligher, Galliho, etc. > > For that reason, always take into account the derivates of Irish names, > their religion and the history of Ireland for the time of the ancestor you > are considering. My gr-gr-gr grandfather has appeared as Charles McCoun, > Terindie McCain, Terrens McCune and Terry McCune because it was the early > 1800s and he was Catholic. Catholics were, by law, not able to become > educated at the time. > > Good luck and I hope this helps! > > Marsha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <billmellsworth@comcast.net> > To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:31 PM > Subject: [Irish-Roots] surname confusion > > >> I'm new to the list. I'm trying to read an Irish surname on a NYC >> marriage record and can't quite make it out. I was hoping I might get >> some suggestions from the list. >> >> It looks like Dowbey or Dourbey or Douebey. Could any of these be >> an Irish surname? >> >> Bill >> >> >> ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Plant your Irish roots here! >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I have found this link to be quite useful: http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/index.cfm For example, if you enter the surname Gallagher under the surname search, you will get the following information: Gallagher: Very numerous: all provinces but primarily Donegal and adjoining counties. MacLysaght mentions 23 different spellings of the anglicised name! The Irish is Ó Gallchobhair, meaning "lover of foreigners". They were a leading sept of Cineál Conaill and ally of the O'Donnells. The sermons of Bishop James O'Gallagher (1681-1751) are one of the treasures of Irish spirituality. The name has been abbreviated to Gallahue. IF & SGG. Goligher: Quite numerous: Ulster generally. Ir. Ó Gallchóir. See Gallagher. O Gallchobhair: fairly rare: Donegal etc. Ir.Lang. See Gallagher. *You will also get a coat of arms (if available), a listing of where the name appeared in Ireland in the year 1850, websites (if available) and other information!

Bill, Your surname could be Darby. Depending on the year and the religion of the person, it is very possible they were not able to spell their names. For that reason, many of the people who recorded the names wrote them down as they sounded. Also, the practice of Anglocizing names was also predominant. For example, the name Sabri O Gallchobhair could also appear as Sarah Gallagher, Golliher, Goligher, Golligher, Galliho, etc. For that reason, always take into account the derivates of Irish names, their religion and the history of Ireland for the time of the ancestor you are considering. My gr-gr-gr grandfather has appeared as Charles McCoun, Terindie McCain, Terrens McCune and Terry McCune because it was the early 1800s and he was Catholic. Catholics were, by law, not able to become educated at the time. Good luck and I hope this helps! Marsha ----- Original Message ----- From: <billmellsworth@comcast.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] surname confusion > I'm new to the list. I'm trying to read an Irish surname on a NYC marriage > record and can't quite make it out. I was hoping I might get some > suggestions from the list. > > It looks like Dowbey or Dourbey or Douebey. Could any of these be an > Irish surname? > > Bill > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I'm new to the list. I'm trying to read an Irish surname on a NYC marriage record and can't quite make it out. I was hoping I might get some suggestions from the list. It looks like Dowbey or Dourbey or Douebey. Could any of these be an Irish surname? Bill

Try Lycos.co.uk - this has a lot on Antrim. Have a good trip. Anyrim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Girratono" <onesnowraven@sbcglobal.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Inniskillin >

Lycos.co.uk has a lot on Antrim Good lluck and a happy trip. Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Girratono" <onesnowraven@sbcglobal.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Inniskillin >

Sorry,,Anne, -no joy. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "anne" <annet.bamford@btopenworld.com> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Inniskillin > Hi Anthony, > I see from the answers you are very busy! > When you have time.........! > Can I try my names in your list > McGrath > Job/Jobe/Jobes/jobs > McKee > Martin > > Thanks for your generosity, > Anne > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >